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(Badass Digest)   Turns out the 'Prometheus' you saw was not the 'Prometheus' that was planned. It was originally titled 'Alien: Engineers', took place on LV-426, acknowledged the stupidity of the scientists, and had a much better ending   (badassdigest.com ) divider line
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2012-11-12 11:19:42 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Mad Tea Party: scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.

Man, that's what I liked best about it.

Yeah but all the questions started with something like "How could they be so stupid that they ..."


And all the characters' actions preceded by "Hold my beer and watch this..."
 
2012-11-12 11:21:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426

Nope, they land on LV-223


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THIS IS LV-426!

/yeah, movie blew space jockey
//also:

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2012-11-12 11:24:16 PM  
To be clear, I really like the idea of aliens that are so strange we can't even begin to understand their motivations, or even their life cycles. I'm okay with black goo, and space squids, etc.

BUT people still have to act like people. Even in the future. Or you at least have to explain to us why they aren't.
 
2012-11-12 11:30:20 PM  
I'll read this later and will probably enjoy the crap out of it. As for "Prometheus," I still like it; it's definitely one of the best entries on the list of movies driven forward by the characters being complete idiots.
 
2012-11-12 11:34:28 PM  
The whole engineer intervention every 1100 years thing, but suddenly it stopped adds a mystery as well.
 
2012-11-12 11:38:48 PM  

PanicMan: Not when the questions are "Where did that axe come from?"


It's like MST3K says, you should really just relax. It's a fireaxe --yes they have them on naval vessels. Really, if nitpicky stuff like this is what keeps you from liking the film, I don't know what to say.
 
2012-11-12 11:53:26 PM  

Mad Tea Party: Really, if nitpicky stuff like this is what keeps you from liking the film, I don't know what to say.


seriously.

there was so much wrong with this film that nitpicking is just intellectual laziness.

"David just tried to kill you but you've managed to survive by performing an abortion on yourself? OK then, why don't you join us as we go wake the Engineer and see if he'll tell us where we can find the fountain of youth."
 
2012-11-12 11:54:24 PM  

Sgt Otter: Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.

Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.


I realize that it is a standard horror movie trope, but that one really got me. Keeping in mind that they are on another planet, where you might think your guard would be WAAAAAY up, but not recognizing the universal danger signs:

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Was just crazy.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:03 AM  

CujoQuarrel: They landed the main ship on the planet instead of using some sort of smaller vessel. Massive risk for no gain.


Not to mention a huge waste of energy.


FormlessOne: I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.

I was pleasantly surprised by Sunshine. That movie is undervalued.


Thirded.
 
2012-11-13 12:09:52 AM  
One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.
 
2012-11-13 12:13:26 AM  
I don't think you can solely blame Damon Lindelof for this. It seems he was brought in to make a compromise between the demands of the studio and the whims of Ridley Scott.

Taking all I know about the movie into account, and reading this new script, I'd say Ridley Scott wanted more ambiguity and less "Alien." 20th Century Fox wanted a more sequel-friendly film, and a much less expensive one.

One thing is certain: Spaihts' script would most likely have led to a better movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:12 AM  

CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.


Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:32 AM  
Why was the old man a young guy wearing really bad old makeup? I was waiting the whole time for some sort of flashback that never happened
 
2012-11-13 12:31:17 AM  

Virtual Pariah: I liked it miles better than Avatar.


This, there was a ton of lost opportunities and bad re-writes. But it was still better than that polished turd.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:32 AM  

eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.


I think that Prometheus' impregnation followed by giant facehugger followed by Engineer spawned Alien was better than what's in the original script. I wasn't a fan of the whole weaponized black goo, though. It would have been easier to demonstrate that the black goo was some sort of semi-sentient terraforming tool used by the Engineers which evolved and turned against them. The part I can't get over is the inexplicable need for the Engineers to exterminate humans using xenomorphs. Just drop a decent sized asteroid on us and we're done. Prometheus' problem is that it's half a loaf. They spent so much time insisting that they weren't making an Alien prequel. If they had just embraced that they were in fact making an Alien prequel it would have been better.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:15 AM  

pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

Yadda yadda...

3) the captain guy crashed his ship into that other ship, suiciding himself and friends, with very little provocation. i thought that could have been a little more dramatic. they could have established more appropriately that this guy realized the importance of suiciding himself, instead of a blind faith in the lady character. this would have probably required more build up, since in the moment, there was little time to make a reasoned decision. perhaps this was another editing problem, and he should just assume that he was appropriately aware. it was mentioned, so it's acceptable... but, killing yourself for others should have ...


This is actually handled in the deleted scenes. I forget exactly, either the Captain grew up in a town or was stationed on a base when he was in the service, where they did biomedical or some other kind of scary research. They lost contamination at the research site and containment protocols destroyed the research site and all 2000 people inside. He tells this story to CT right after she gets a new one ripped by Guy Pierce, and the Captain says that he'd kill everyone on board if there appeared to be any risk of of something dangerous going back to Earth.

Most of the plot holes/poor character development was reduced or eliminated with content in the deleted scenes, but the dialogue generally sucked in them and it would have made the move 30-40 minutes longer.
 
2012-11-13 12:38:28 AM  

mamoru: CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.

Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.


Luckily all the humans died in the end

All of them

The last one by starvation.
 
2012-11-13 12:39:38 AM  
I went in with meh expectations and enjoyed the movie (in the theater). So sue me, I liked the strong female character and the idea of hostile accidental Creator aliens, or whatever the hell they were doing.
 
2012-11-13 12:43:21 AM  

Stile4aly: eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.

I think that Prometheus' impregnation followed by giant facehugger followed by Engineer spawned Alien was better than what's in the original script. I wasn't a fan of the whole weaponized black goo, though. It would have been easier to demonstrate that the black goo was some sort of semi-sentient terraforming tool used by the Engineers which evolved and turned against them. The part I can't get over is the inexplicable need for the Engineers to exterminate humans using xenomorphs. Just drop a decent sized asteroid on us and we're done. Prometheus' problem is that it's half a loaf. They spent so much time insisting that they weren't making an Alien prequel. If they had just embraced that they were in fact making an Alien prequel it would have been better.


Yea it seemed like Spaiht's script led directly to 'Alien'. Hell you could even argue the distress beacon set off by Watts is what led to Ripley's ship touching down. Doesn't mean Watts needs to be alive.

Smells like they just wanted to cash in on sequels instead of tellin one story. They could've carried it on from this as a different storyline (in search of the Engineers), but instead Scott had to fly off the handle.
 
2012-11-13 01:05:33 AM  

eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.


Okay, this one I can explain. So, we know from the Alien movies that the Xenomorph takes on properties of the animal it infests. So, the Xenomorphs in the facility are asexual wormlike things because, yup, they seeped into the worms in the ground. Now, why doesn't it create a human when implanted in the girl? Well, as the script mentions a few times, she's sterile and can't have children. Also, once the goo seems to interact with an animal, it seems to go into it's face hugger phase (The worm is a facehugger). But the girl didn't get face hugged, so the weird abomination is the face hugger stage of a xenomorph that is basing its DNA on a sterile woman. So why does it turn into a regular looking Xenomorph at the end? well, it face hugs on a Engineer, which we know has almost identical DNA to humans, hence why the Xenomorph looks similar to, but slightly different from, the Alien from the original movies.

At least that's my take on it. AS for the other complaints about people acting stupidly on an alien planet in a high stress, disaster of an expidition- yes, because people always act rationally in the face of stress and danger. Or, if it helps, just think away the problems. Why don't the women run sideways? Because it wouldn't make a difference-we only see the perspective from the camera, which implies but probably also distorts the implied size of the engineer ship. So, while it looks like I can squish the sun with my thumb and finger, I cannot- similarly, running sideways wouldn't have worked when the width of the ships is that big. See how it's plausible, explains what you see and keeps the movie enjoyable?
 
2012-11-13 01:08:17 AM  

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Already done. Knowing he was behind the writing was enough for me to not see Prometheus when it came out. The guy is a talentless hack who I figure only got his job by getting on his knees and blowing JJ Abrams. Lost was a complete and epic fail, a show I could now not give a **** of ever hearing about again. And this moron who has now succeeded in showing his lack of talent in 2 different projects should be enough for anyone to know to avoid at all costs.
 
2012-11-13 01:18:25 AM  
Except for Charlize doing pushups in the (almost) nude, Prometheus was a total rip off. I wanted my money right after Theron's character screwed the ship's captain. It was a disjunct storyline at best and not worthy of the Alien franchise.

The script that wasn't used was better than the movie, but even that needed improvement to deserve the "Alien" moniker.
 
2012-11-13 01:32:10 AM  

bglove25: eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.

Okay, this one I can explain. So, we know from the Alien movies that the Xenomorph takes on properties of the animal it infests. So, the Xenomorphs in the facility are asexual wormlike things because, yup, they seeped into the worms in the ground. Now, why doesn't it create a human when implanted in the girl? Well, as the script mentions a few times, she's sterile and can't have children. Also, once the goo seems to interact with an animal, it seems to go into it's face hugger phase (The worm is a facehugger). But the girl didn't get face hugged, so the weird abomination is the face hugger stage of a xenomorph that is basing its DNA on a sterile woman. So why does it turn into a regular looking Xenomorph at the end? well, it face hugs on a Engineer, which we know has almost identical DNA to humans, hence why the Xenomorph looks similar to, but slightly different from, the Alien from the original movies.


I thought that the squid turned giant face hugger was more a product of the fact it came from Holloway's already mutated sperm and just gestated inside her. She was the 'egg' for this version of the face hugger which is why she wasn't altered/tainted by it like some of the others.

As for the Engineer needing to wipeout humans with goo instead of an asteroid or whatever, it seemed like they were, if not religious, then at least heavily in to ritual. David likely had his head torn off because non-organic 'life' (or a simulation at least) was probably blasphemous to them.
 
2012-11-13 01:37:15 AM  

Techhell: RoxtarRyan: buntz: And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

Seriously, that was the biggest WTF moment for me.

You're being chased by a giant ring. What do you do? Do you run in a straight line, taking the same path as that ring, or do you side-step three feet to avoid it?

I mean, godfarkingdammit, you're supposedly a smart, tactical commander, and you can't realize that YOU EXIST IN THREE DIMENSIONAL SPACE???? Christ...... Any movie that is based around people that are supposedly brilliant, but are really dumb as fark (another example: brilliant biologist travels for years in cryo, first alien being he comes across, even being dead, he runs like a biatch from) loses all credibility, since whoever wrote it has no idea WTF they are doing.

Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

I totally understand the WTF feelings about that scene. Not defending it as it's probably just ankle writing, but personally I give that individual scene a pass; I can totally see someone in a panic getting focused on one thing (run faster) and totally block out anything else (run smarter).


Or maybe she realized something that shape but smaller, when rolled on a table would curve to one side making circles in on itself till it wobbled and lay down, thought she should run straight to avoid it, but didn't realize just how big a circle it would make.

/probably not.
 
2012-11-13 01:40:13 AM  

skrat211: Except for Charlize doing pushups in the (almost) nude, Prometheus was a total rip off. I wanted my money right after Theron's character screwed the ship's captain. It was a disjunct storyline at best and not worthy of the Alien franchise.

The script that wasn't used was better than the movie, but even that needed improvement to deserve the "Alien" moniker.


After Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, and two Alien V. Predator movies, the odds of a movie w/ the Alien tag on it being any good is less than 50%. That's worse than Terminator odds.
 
2012-11-13 01:48:13 AM  
The parts that bugged me about the film was the male scientist who came off as a 'don't taze me bro' type, and the ending where the female scientist basically tells David that he's stupid and that she's human and basically nullifies the entirety of the film. Yeah, humans are going to be just fine outside of suiciding themselves after a second of thought and not being able to run diagonally. Yeah, keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-11-13 01:53:12 AM  
Check out LV-227:

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2012-11-13 02:03:07 AM  
Spaiht is all over the documentaries in the BluRay - so I suspect even with his script getting butchered he got paid well. Haven't made it through all of the extras yet.

Evidently the black goo David put in the drink was it's purest form. That's why "Cuddles" came out of Shaw.

Max Von Sydow was supposed to be old Weylan. If memory serves budget cuts put a stop to that.

The deleted scenes do add quite a bit as far as character development... but I'm not sure I would recommend buying the 4 disc set just for that.

Also I'm sorry... the CG Fifield was far better and terrifying than makeup Fifield. Should have left Weta's effect in the movie.

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Instead we got this...
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2012-11-13 02:12:43 AM  
The movie was awesome. Suck it haters.
 
2012-11-13 02:16:16 AM  
I liked the sad looking chinese guy.
 
2012-11-13 02:29:48 AM  

hulk hogan meat shoes: Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.


Maybe it was a Frankenstein reference rather than a direct Prometheus reference? For those who don't know, "Frankenstein" is actually subtitled "or, The Modern Prometheus".

Frankenstein certainly makes a lot of sense, the ethics of scientific endeavour, man playing god, creating life from death, body horror, experiments gone wrong destroying their creators etc.
 
2012-11-13 02:40:51 AM  
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2012-11-13 02:52:36 AM  

CujoQuarrel: mamoru: CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.

Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.

Luckily all the humans died in the end

All of them

The last one by starvation.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that. She might not starve but after what happened to everyone else who came into contact with anything organic in the other ship she may have wished that she did.
 
2012-11-13 04:32:41 AM  

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


In a few years? Lindelof sucks right now.
 
Skr
2012-11-13 04:43:27 AM  
Pretty much that same thing happened with Alien vs. Predator. The original penned up was pretty cool, but what made it to the screen really ended up piss poor.
 
2012-11-13 04:53:31 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: JJ Abrams: There will be no time travel in Lost.
Damon Lindelof: LOL!


JJ Abrams: They are not dead or in purgatory
Damon: You're adorable. Bless your heart.
 
2012-11-13 05:18:40 AM  

scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.


Magellan only made it halfway home before getting killed by natives, too.

Or was it disease?


/or am i thinking of the other guy
 
2012-11-13 05:26:52 AM  
Am I the only one that remembers this? They announced it, and then changed it to a "Non-prequel in the same universe". A similar film without the gay sex.
 
2012-11-13 06:12:04 AM  
Damon Lindelof is the AIDS virus of sci-fi. "Abstinence only" is the only way to keep the disease from spreading. Stop giving your hard earned money to projects with his name connected to them and he'll go away.
 
2012-11-13 06:23:43 AM  

Mad Tea Party: Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.


No, I rather liked it too. The "original recipe" script seems like it's a Bay action movie, whereas the movie we god was a more interesting take on the notions of sacrifice vs. survival.

I'll admit to being wholly taken aback by the first scene, but as the movie played out, I kept thinking back to it and it put a lot of things in perspective, to the point that I was expecting the Engineer's response to the old fart's request.
 
2012-11-13 06:29:11 AM  

Virtual Pariah:
If you look at the functions of the various ships, the one in Alien was not top of the line. It was an industrial ship and it's controls and displays didn't have to be as fine as a science vessel.
As a matter of fact, if you liken the original ship to a construction vehicle in 2012, you would see things like industrial switches and toggles vs touchscreens and the like. They would be considered more robust and less prone to failure which would be cheaper for a mining company to maintain.

Just throwing that out there to account for the 30 yr CGI advancements in the movies.


A lot of people forget that the ship in Alien was just an intergalactic dump truck, and the crew rated just below used banana peels on the expendablity scale.
 
2012-11-13 07:05:06 AM  

Sgt Otter: Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.

Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.


Again, the original script came through with better answers:

- "Hey, break out the laser map so we can get out of here"
"I thought you had it"
"well shiat..." (again, one quick conversation and suddenly it's covered)


-"Hey look at this snake thing"
"Dude...put that down"
"Relax...our suits are insect-proof, bullet-proof, and everything else-proof...ack...I don't like what this thing is doing"
"I'll cut it off"
"ZOMG...acid"
"and now there's a whole in my suit and it's climbing in...."
 
2012-11-13 08:39:09 AM  

Mad_Radhu: buntz: I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)


That's what drove me crazy about the X-Files. It was wonderful when they had a nice tight UFO conspiracy story going on, but they also went overboard with the various aliens around the time the movie came out (Grays, Black Oil, Roid-Rage Grays, Shapeshifters, Bounty Hunters, Faceless Aliens, the list goes on).


It seems appropriate to point out that, originally, the producers didn't intend on playing up the whole
UFO conspiracy stuff: they actually intended Mulder's sister to have just disappeared/run away from
home and that's what made him unhinged.

When that episode got great ratings, they decided to play it up, but didn't actually have a master plan.

Sound familiar?
 
2012-11-13 09:14:47 AM  

DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.


So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!
 
2012-11-13 09:18:52 AM  

yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!


I really liked it, but at the same time I can understand the criticisms.
 
2012-11-13 09:20:42 AM  

yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!


And my axe! I saw it this last weekend on dvd and wished I'd seen it in the theater. Very pretty to look at. Yes there were huge holes in the plot, but it was entertaining none the less. I would like to see the directors/long cut.
 
2012-11-13 09:24:18 AM  

theorellior: I was really excited to see it, I even dragged my wife along, who is kinda meh on sci-fi movies, although she did enjoy "District 9". After "Prometheus" was done, I apologized and said I'd go see a rom-com as penance.

I think the Farker above had it right. Damon Lindehof = Rob Liefeld.



Holy shiat, dude, you don't have to go that far for love.
 
2012-11-13 09:26:31 AM  

theorellior: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.


Well done!

/ Loved Niven back in the day.
 
2012-11-13 09:43:13 AM  

DamnYankees: pute kisses like a man: the year is 2093 or so. when they get to the planet, they realize that it has been asleep for 2000 years. that means, the engineers decided to destroy the world roughly 2000 years prior. that's basically at or soon after the coming of Christ. so, that may be the event that pissed them off so much to destroy us.

Have you not read the amazing Christ was an Engineer theory? Seriously, it's a very col argument:

Link


thanks for the link. i think it's more interesting to analyze this movie in the terms of creator/created, what is existence, when does when create existence in another, etc. then whether or not they should have had their helmets on.

/ i mean, i think stalker is the greatest sci-fi movie ever made, and what the fark is going on there? i'm going to throw this nut with a ribbon attached and rename you all archetypes, and call this other guy a porcupine.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:12 AM  

Slothfart: Damon Lindelof is the AIDS virus of sci-fi. "Abstinence only" is the only way to keep the disease from spreading. Stop giving your hard earned money to projects with his name connected to them and he'll go away.


Damon Lindelof is to shiat what King Midas is to gold.
 
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