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(Badass Digest)   Turns out the 'Prometheus' you saw was not the 'Prometheus' that was planned. It was originally titled 'Alien: Engineers', took place on LV-426, acknowledged the stupidity of the scientists, and had a much better ending   (badassdigest.com) divider line 221
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2012-11-12 05:59:57 PM
I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

Biggest change so far is Weyland shows up 5 minutes (or pages) into it and doesn't go on the trip, instead of showing up 5 minutes toward the end like some sort of big secret reveal. He's more interested in the technology the Engineers use (most specifically the terraforming technology) and not whether they can grant him immortal life.

/"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
 
2012-11-12 06:14:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.


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I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.
 
2012-11-12 06:17:23 PM
You mean that wasn't a deliberate attempt to make a so-bad-its-good film?
 
2012-11-12 06:18:11 PM
I will admit that there is a competent movie in there somewhere. Not great, or even good, but competent. But as it is currently, it's a worse mess than the Iraq war.
 
2012-11-12 06:18:56 PM
Yeah, no shiat. That's what happens when you get the studio hack writer du juor to do rewrites.
 
2012-11-12 06:21:03 PM
I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426
 
2012-11-12 06:22:28 PM
Space Jesus.

That is the answer to Prometheus. Space Jesus.
 
2012-11-12 06:22:58 PM
JJ Abrams: There will be no time travel in Lost.
Damon Lindelof: LOL!
 
2012-11-12 06:24:26 PM

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


Nope, apparently LV-426 was just one in who knows how many test sites for the proto-humans. Nothing special about it at all.
 
2012-11-12 06:24:48 PM
Prometheus reminded me why I wait for dvd.
 
2012-11-12 06:26:48 PM

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


Nope, they land on LV-223
 
2012-11-12 06:27:14 PM
The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.
 
2012-11-12 06:29:34 PM

The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.


The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.
 
2012-11-12 06:30:30 PM

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


It was LV-thetheater
 
2012-11-12 06:30:31 PM

scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.


Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.
 
2012-11-12 06:31:30 PM
Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.
 
2012-11-12 06:31:41 PM
In the original version could Charlize Theron run in diagonals?
 
2012-11-12 06:33:45 PM
I was really excited to see it, I even dragged my wife along, who is kinda meh on sci-fi movies, although she did enjoy "District 9". After "Prometheus" was done, I apologized and said I'd go see a rom-com as penance. 

I think the Farker above had it right. Damon Lindehof = Rob Liefeld.
 
2012-11-12 06:33:47 PM

MagSeven: In the original version could Charlize Theron run in diagonals take off her top?


FTFY.
 
2012-11-12 06:34:04 PM

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


That was your problem with the movie? Hell I wanted the engineer to get away and destroy everything....EVERYTHING.
 
2012-11-12 06:34:57 PM
This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."
 
2012-11-12 06:35:22 PM
Kinda a dick move releasing it. But I guess it sucks being associated with that stinking pile of pooh. And he is smart enough to know that there is no better script than one that has not been filmed.
 
2012-11-12 06:35:47 PM

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.
 
2012-11-12 06:37:27 PM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?
 
2012-11-12 06:38:11 PM
DNRTFA, but let me guess: the studio farked with it.
 
2012-11-12 06:39:15 PM
Yeah the finished product sucked, but the original script can't be that much of a gem if it contains "...and THAT'S how the pyramids were built!"

fark. You.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:09 PM
Um, I watched the Blue-Ray extras, that you pirate bay, and basically they changed their minds on the script every other month.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:12 PM
Ok, it still starts with the big white dudes.

The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:23 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.

Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.


Jay Sherman's Prah-MO-theus was the bbest reference in pop culture

/got nuttin else
 
2012-11-12 06:42:39 PM

IlGreven: This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."


This is why we can't get good Sci-Fi. The people who get all butthurt when you point out one single solitary mistake that a movie makes, since all movies are 100% perfect and if you see something you don't quite understand, it's because you're the moran, not because the movie made a mistake. You are why Michael Bay keeps making movies because the Execs in Hollywood point to you and go "These people will defend us no matter what we do, so just make things blow up real good."
 
2012-11-12 06:44:51 PM

MorePeasPlease: Ok, it still starts with the big white dudes.

The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


Yeah. Still learning the lessons of the Star Wars prequels.
 
2012-11-12 06:45:02 PM

Techhell: Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.

Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?


Lots of teeth. More than a human head can hold, with a tiny mouth no longer than a dash when closed. Angular jawli-holy shiat, they look like xenomorphs!
 
2012-11-12 06:47:45 PM

MorePeasPlease: The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


I know. I was expecting elephant aliens with lots of ribs. Instead I got pale translucent Space Aryans in ribbed suits. FAIL.
 
2012-11-12 06:52:57 PM

MorePeasPlease: The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


That too.
 
2012-11-12 06:53:53 PM

Fano: Techhell: Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.

Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?

Lots of teeth. More than a human head can hold, with a tiny mouth no longer than a dash when closed. Angular jawli-holy shiat, they look like xenomorphs!




I would love to see a "Aliens vs. Colonial Marines" comic illustrated by Liefeld.
 
2012-11-12 07:10:49 PM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


I have to agree with this assessment. DL is not a good writer.
He's one of those who should probably write backwards so that he could close the loops he creates. Hugely overrated right now.
 
2012-11-12 07:11:07 PM

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


Constant 1G acceleration will get you to relativistic speeds in no time* at all.

* Other frames of reference may not qualify.
 
2012-11-12 07:16:22 PM

theorellior: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.


Actually I was thinking more from the time I watched an F-15 dig holes in a runway with it's afterburner.

Also, Heinlein went over the problem of launching a rather large ship from earth in Farmer in the Sky, noting that to launch the interplanetary ship from surface would have left a scorch mark the size of the Mojave. I'm going over instances of engine wash used as a weapon and I'm coming up Mythbusters. I remember them using shuttle engines on Moonraker to torch the 747, but that was worse BS than if a Creationist got the green light on their version Jurassic park.
 
2012-11-12 07:21:40 PM
For all the haters.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-12 07:23:39 PM

fusillade762: For all the haters.

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bad is bad
 
2012-11-12 07:26:08 PM
I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.
 
2012-11-12 07:26:14 PM
Please...

Just make "Alien: Engineers".

We'll just forget about "Prometheus".
I'll even delete my copy.
 
2012-11-12 07:30:53 PM

IlGreven: This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."


I liked Prometheus, plot holes and all.

The thing that bothered me the most was that after the one dude insulted both Noomi character's religion and femininity, they had sex.

Maybe it's just me, but that was the most unbelievable thing in the whole movie.
 
2012-11-12 07:33:42 PM

Intoxoman: Prometheus reminded me why I wait for dvd


...download it off the internet. Saw it this past weekend (so the story is good timing for me).

'Meh' is too strong a word. Didn't really love it, but was sufficiently mind-altered so the time was not completely wasted.

On the bright side, I did get to see at least one good movie this weekend. What if a zombie knew he was a zombie?
 
2012-11-12 07:35:17 PM
Just finished, and enjoyed the script linked in TFA.
It seems to me that had RS gone with this version, there wouldn't have been much to work with if there were to be a sequel to Prometheus.
 
2012-11-12 07:40:33 PM

Rent Party: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Constant 1G acceleration will get you to relativistic speeds in no time* at all.

* Other frames of reference may not qualify.


And if you watch the ship it's maneuvering around at at least 3G's, although I doubt anyone thought about that when they were laying out the key frames in the CGI rendering.
 
2012-11-12 07:41:15 PM

skinink: I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.


That's something that carried over from Aliens 3 and other media.

The xenomorph absorbed some of the form of host species. Fairly canon stuff.
 
2012-11-12 07:45:30 PM
I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)

And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

But otherwise, I enjoyed it.

I don't think the Engineers were trying to destroy Earth. I think they were trying to save it but David misinterpreted or misunderstood what was going on.


Oh, I also didn't get, and didn't like, why they had Guy Pierce in bad old man makeup. If he didn't do anything intricate int he plot, why not just hire an old man?

(I thought the abortion scene was gnarley.... although she seemed to recover a little too quickly after)
 
2012-11-12 07:49:41 PM

Mad_Radhu: I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Lindelof is a golem risen up from the shiatty culture that birthed him. A half witted, barely conscious culture will always find this person in the aggregate of humanity.
 
2012-11-12 07:52:55 PM
Here's a quick shorthand to help work out if a movie might suck:

If there is more than one person listed as a writer in the credits, look to see if they are separated by an '&' symbol or by the word 'and'

'&' - Indicates the 2 people collaborated on the script.

'and' - Indicates that one person wrote the script, and the second person farked it up.

There are of course exceptions to this, but it generally holds pretty true. If a script needed to be worked on after the fact, it was either no good to begin with, or the studio wanted to broaden the appeal of the movie and will do so by adding explosions and fart jokes.
 
2012-11-12 07:53:10 PM
I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.
 
2012-11-12 07:54:55 PM

meat0918: skinink: I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.

That's something that carried over from Aliens 3 and other media.

The xenomorph absorbed some of the form of host species. Fairly canon stuff.


If I ever use the phrase "Fairly canon stuff" again, shoot me.
 
2012-11-12 07:55:46 PM
Scott is an idiot. Never again.
 
2012-11-12 07:58:02 PM

buntz: I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)


That's what drove me crazy about the X-Files. It was wonderful when they had a nice tight UFO conspiracy story going on, but they also went overboard with the various aliens around the time the movie came out (Grays, Black Oil, Roid-Rage Grays, Shapeshifters, Bounty Hunters, Faceless Aliens, the list goes on).


Oh, I also didn't get, and didn't like, why they had Guy Pierce in bad old man makeup. If he didn't do anything intricate int he plot, why not just hire an old man?


They apparently shots some scenes of him as a young man (I think it was a cyrosleep dream sequence), but the didn't use them, so it was a waste. They really should have tried to get Peter O'Toole to play him, if he would have been up for it.
.
 
2012-11-12 08:02:35 PM

Mad_Radhu: I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


On one hand, I'm scared that he's writing the next Star Trek movie. On the other hand, we don't know how much of it is his fault. It could very well be Ridley Scott is more to blame, and Damon Lindelof was just doing as he was told. From the interviews Scott did, it was apparent HE wanted this to be more than an Alien prequel, and was obsessed with the Prometheus imagery and the life/death stuff. He seemed to think the movie was brilliant.
 
2012-11-12 08:04:14 PM

rkane1: There are of course exceptions to this, but it generally holds pretty true. If a script needed to be worked on after the fact, it was either no good to begin with, or the studio wanted to broaden the appeal of the movie and will do so by adding explosions and fart jokes.


Like Toy Story. What trash.
 
2012-11-12 08:06:23 PM
Prometheus is now my baseline for what an average movie is.

I didn't exactly hate it, but at no point during the movie did I think 'i really like whats happening'.
 
2012-11-12 08:07:19 PM

buntz: And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.


Seriously, that was the biggest WTF moment for me.

You're being chased by a giant ring. What do you do? Do you run in a straight line, taking the same path as that ring, or do you side-step three feet to avoid it?

I mean, godfarkingdammit, you're supposedly a smart, tactical commander, and you can't realize that YOU EXIST IN THREE DIMENSIONAL SPACE???? Christ...... Any movie that is based around people that are supposedly brilliant, but are really dumb as fark (another example: brilliant biologist travels for years in cryo, first alien being he comes across, even being dead, he runs like a biatch from) loses all credibility, since whoever wrote it has no idea WTF they are doing.

Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.
 
2012-11-12 08:10:24 PM

rkane1: If a script needed to be worked on after the fact, it was either no good to begin with, or the studio wanted to broaden the appeal of the movie and will do so by adding explosions


So, any movie with Christian Bale in it?
 
2012-11-12 08:12:00 PM

RoxtarRyan: rkane1: If a script needed to be worked on after the fact, it was either no good to begin with, or the studio wanted to broaden the appeal of the movie and will do so by adding explosions

So, any movie with Christian Bale in it?


Except this one, yes.
 
2012-11-12 08:12:48 PM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


I have to tangent and say that the last season of Fringe is pissing me off more than the last season of LOST. The finale of Lost bugged me with its final swerve and I felt it wasted a lot of opportunities with going with the Island of Vaguely Not-Jesusland, but Fringe? I'm okay with the time-shift and the observer war, seriously. It's Olivia and Peter making sad eyes at each other for what feels like 85% of the episode that I am not okay with and the total dumbing down of Walter and the uselessness of Astrid. At war? GO TO WAR. DON'T FARKING CRY TO ME ABOUT YOUR SHIAT. The last couple of eps were better. Slightly.

Also I liked Prometheus.
 
2012-11-12 08:14:02 PM
Have not read TFA yet but it definitely seemed like an Alien prequel that was tweaked just a bit to make it not one.

Which was annoying.

The Engineer should have ended up in the Derelict at the end. The Xeno should have popped out of it's chest. And I give up....
 
2012-11-12 08:18:10 PM

RoxtarRyan: buntz: And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

Seriously, that was the biggest WTF moment for me.

You're being chased by a giant ring. What do you do? Do you run in a straight line, taking the same path as that ring, or do you side-step three feet to avoid it?

I mean, godfarkingdammit, you're supposedly a smart, tactical commander, and you can't realize that YOU EXIST IN THREE DIMENSIONAL SPACE???? Christ...... Any movie that is based around people that are supposedly brilliant, but are really dumb as fark (another example: brilliant biologist travels for years in cryo, first alien being he comes across, even being dead, he runs like a biatch from) loses all credibility, since whoever wrote it has no idea WTF they are doing.

Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.


I totally understand the WTF feelings about that scene. Not defending it as it's probably just ankle writing, but personally I give that individual scene a pass; I can totally see someone in a panic getting focused on one thing (run faster) and totally block out anything else (run smarter).
 
2012-11-12 08:21:06 PM
I liked Prometheus...but it was a huge disappointment. Damn, it could have been truly great. The movie seemed to try too hard to tie things in with the Alien franchise...rather than standing on it's own as a prequel.
 
2012-11-12 08:22:45 PM
It was far from perfect but I rather enjoyed Prometheus. Far from the most disappointing movie of the past year.
 
2012-11-12 08:24:39 PM

meat0918: skinink: I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.

That's something that carried over from Aliens 3 and other media.

The xenomorph absorbed some of the form of host species. Fairly canon stuff.


Actually a lot of the things people complain about in the movie is basically alien canon.
 
2012-11-12 08:25:13 PM
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/only into hard sci-fi
 
2012-11-12 08:26:23 PM

burndtdan: meat0918: skinink: I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.

That's something that carried over from Aliens 3 and other media.

The xenomorph absorbed some of the form of host species. Fairly canon stuff.

Actually a lot of the things people complain about in the movie is basically alien canon.


We're accepting Aliens3 as canon now?
 
2012-11-12 08:29:21 PM

KhamanV: I have to tangent and say that the last season of Fringe is pissing me off more than the last season of LOST. The finale of Lost bugged me with its final swerve and I felt it wasted a lot of opportunities with going with the Island of Vaguely Not-Jesusland, but Fringe? I'm okay with the time-shift and the observer war, seriously. It's Olivia and Peter making sad eyes at each other for what feels like 85% of the episode that I am not okay with and the total dumbing down of Walter and the uselessness of Astrid. At war? GO TO WAR. DON'T FARKING CRY TO ME ABOUT YOUR SHIAT. The last couple of eps were better. Slightly.


I agree. They are wasting too much time with Walter's Easter Egg hunt. I'm hoping that it gets better now that Peter has gone all Neo, but it has been a bit of a slog to get there. I was really hoping we'd see much more of Walter farking with the Observer's shiat by creating Fringe Events, or the team mounting an expedition to re-establish contact with Over There in order to get their help, but we really haven't seen too much of that. The Pocket Universe episode does give me hope that things are coming together.
 
2012-11-12 08:32:44 PM

DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.


It's okay man, I'm with you. but alas, I like Damon Lindeloff.
 
2012-11-12 08:37:21 PM

DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.


I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?

2) charlize theron's character was essentially superfluous. as a device in the piece, she serves little to no purpose. she should have stood as some juxtaposition against the robot character, as both are the "children" of the old man. she was basically overlooked. this juxtaposition would have been valuable, since the humans were similarly positioned against the engineers. I assume this was because she was edited out, which i understand, and I could understand why she was supposed to be there, but since she was so edited out, she should have acted better to make her character interesting. she was never made interesting by plot, position, dialogue or acting. you can have a large impact without a lot of time, but this is where real talent and perfection comes in. she's a more talented actress to have let this slip, so i figure there were problems beyond her own to create this unnecessary character. since she was so edited out, she should have been removed.

3) the captain guy crashed his ship into that other ship, suiciding himself and friends, with very little provocation. i thought that could have been a little more dramatic. they could have established more appropriately that this guy realized the importance of suiciding himself, instead of a blind faith in the lady character. this would have probably required more build up, since in the moment, there was little time to make a reasoned decision. perhaps this was another editing problem, and he should just assume that he was appropriately aware. it was mentioned, so it's acceptable... but, killing yourself for others should have a little more weight in a film about existence. it was glossed over.

it sounds like all my problems are with the editing.... I admit, he kept the movie at a respectable time, so maybe the cuts were necessary. although, i don't mind a long movie if it is engrossing. for the most part, i was engrossed in the movie.
 
2012-11-12 08:42:00 PM

pute kisses like a man: harlize theron's character was essentially superfluous. as a device in the piece, she serves little to no purpose. she should have stood as some juxtaposition against the robot character, as both are the "children" of the old man. she was basically overlooked. this juxtaposition would have been valuable, since the humans were similarly positioned against the engineers.


Totally! I think they should have shiatcanned the two archaeologist characters and had the movie focus on the "sibling rivalry".
 
2012-11-12 08:42:15 PM
Was David acting on orders to give the black ink stuff to that guy? Seemed like the boss had an idea of what was there already. Seemed they were trying to get an intact xenomorph like in the fourth? movie. But nothing else indicated the boss knew what was there. Did it even matter that the boss biatch was the daughter? When they said the medical bed was only for men, you knew that would come back as important, but there was zero reason to think weyland was its intended patient.

Had pretty much zero clue as to anyone's motivations In the film outside the main character. I'm guessing there was at least an hour cut out of the movie. The pilot and his officers at the end seemed to have a lot of in jokes or repoire. But they didn't build that during the movie. Also, he killed himself by crashing the ship because a woman he didn't really know told him to. The deleted scenes showed why, but the theatrical release was pretty much a do it (bad word for homosexual) threat by the chick.
 
2012-11-12 08:43:00 PM
I liked the movie, but I'm still butt-hurt they didn't cast Lance Henriksen as Weyland.
 
2012-11-12 08:44:52 PM
Just finished. Wow. Who farked this up so hard?
 
2012-11-12 08:50:07 PM
Blame George Lucas. This generation of writers point to midichlorians and say, "See we are better off without answers." But they've taken it too far. Some things we do want to know. If done well it won't hurt you character moments.
 
2012-11-12 08:55:53 PM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

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I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


I think it's a tie with the final season of X-Files
 
2012-11-12 08:56:07 PM

pute kisses like a man: it sounds like all my problems are with the editing.... I admit, he kept the movie at a respectable time, so maybe the cuts were necessary. although, i don't mind a long movie if it is engrossing. for the most part, i was engrossed in the movie.


Okay, the problems aren't editing. The problems are inexcusable retardation.

The crew take their helmets off in the base at the first opportunity, as though there is no such thing as poison and contagion to worry about. These are supposed to be scientists. Then they howl.

The red-headed mineralogist who is in charge of mapping the base with his flying orbs... gets lost. A few scenes later, the Captain calls him for his position. Which he provides instantly. Yes, they're still quite in touch with the ship. Where there is a 3D image of the base appearing on the table, along with blobs showing the location of the teams. And he's still lost.

Later, the biologist who ran in terror from a safely dead alien wants to go pet a glistening, sticky live one. He calls it "Baby". I mean, we know he's gay, and he and his red headed buddy have been flirting with each other since they got thawed out, but really now.

These characters simply do not act like people! Nothing about what they do makes sense! And it's not from too many explanatory scenes being cut out. Visually, the movie was awesome. But everyone involved in the writing and editing should be blacklisted from making movies ever again.
 
2012-11-12 08:56:27 PM

pute kisses like a man: 2) charlize theron's character was essentially superfluous. as a device in the piece, she serves little to no purpose. she should have stood as some juxtaposition against the robot character, as both are the "children" of the old man. she was basically overlooked. this juxtaposition would have been valuable, since the humans were similarly positioned against the engineers. I assume this was because she was edited out, which i understand, and I could understand why she was supposed to be there, but since she was so edited out, she should have acted better to make her character interesting. she was never made interesting by plot, position, dialogue or acting. you can have a large impact without a lot of time, but this is where real talent and perfection comes in. she's a more talented actress to have let this slip, so i figure there were problems beyond her own to create this unnecessary character. since she was so edited out, she should have been removed.


Charlize Theron's character was there so Idris Elba's character would have someone to schtup.
 
2012-11-12 08:58:06 PM
Let me show you my Prometheus
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-12 09:00:43 PM
I just needed a place to post this:

clockworkvirus.com
 
2012-11-12 09:01:43 PM

rorypk: Was David acting on orders to give the black ink stuff to that guy?


The guy met his makers, in his own way. David asking him how far he was willing to go to prove his theory, and all that.

And as for scientists being dumbasses. They are human, not all-mighty omniscient Engineers. Irrational is life.

/the movie wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible. It was enjoyable, even if it wasn't better than sex.
 
2012-11-12 09:05:29 PM
Yeah, the movie was crap. But you should have seen the movie we meant to make. It was really cool!
 
2012-11-12 09:07:38 PM

buntz: I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)

And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

But otherwise, I enjoyed it.

I don't think the Engineers were trying to destroy Earth. I think they were trying to save it but David misinterpreted or misunderstood what was going on.


Oh, I also didn't get, and didn't like, why they had Guy Pierce in bad old man makeup. If he didn't do anything intricate int he plot, why not just hire an old man?

(I thought the abortion scene was gnarley.... although she seemed to recover a little too quickly after)


Wow, you took like 3 points right out of my mouth. I agree so much on the surgery part. My wife had abdominal surgery. The pain of trying to walk right after would render anybody unconscious, I don't care who you are or what's going on. I'm usually not one of "those", but that kinda ruined things for me. Not enough to dislike the movie.

I didn't know we were all supposed to hate Prometheus btw?
 
2012-11-12 09:09:34 PM

sure haven't: Wow, you took like 3 points right out of my mouth. I agree so much on the surgery part. My wife had abdominal surgery. The pain of trying to walk right after would render anybody unconscious, I don't care who you are or what's going on. I'm usually not one of "those", but that kinda ruined things for me. Not enough to dislike the movie.


Meh, didn't bother me. Future, sci-fi medicine/painkillers.
 
2012-11-12 09:10:56 PM

pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

...

3) the captain guy crashed his ship into that other ship, suiciding himself and friends, with very little provocation. i thought that could have been a little more dramatic. they could have established more appropriately that this guy realized the importance of suiciding himself, instead of a blind faith in the lady character. this would have probably required more build up, since in the moment, there was little time to make a reasoned decision. perhaps this was another editing problem, and he should just assume that he was appropriately aware. it was mentioned, so it's acceptable... but, killing yourself for others should have ...


You know I can accept that part of the plot. The Captain and his crew had probably already decided to throw the ship into the sun or something because there is no way he should be taking it back to human civilization due to the massive chance of biological contamination.

Think of all the crap that could be in the ship since they didn't even have the good sense to not take off their helmets etc on a totally new world with who knows how many nasty surprises.

Truly stupid movie
 
2012-11-12 09:14:40 PM

Decillion: Blame George Lucas. This generation of writers point to midichlorians and say, "See we are better off without answers." But they've taken it too far. Some things we do want to know. If done well it won't hurt you character moments.


Not everyone provides bad backstory answers. George did a great job answering questions no one was asking.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:05 PM
I wanted to like this movie. I think I actually did, at some level. Of course, I don't think there is any way I would not have liked it. It looked beautiful. The opening sequence was flawless... and it went downhill fast from there. The cast is horrible. The score is cheesy and intrudes when it shouldn't. The plot has no concept of the tale it wants to tell. But... it is ambitious, I'll give it that.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:06 PM

Austinoftx: pute kisses like a man: it sounds like all my problems are with the editing.... I admit, he kept the movie at a respectable time, so maybe the cuts were necessary. although, i don't mind a long movie if it is engrossing. for the most part, i was engrossed in the movie.

Okay, the problems aren't editing. The problems are inexcusable retardation.

The crew take their helmets off in the base at the first opportunity, as though there is no such thing as poison and contagion to worry about. These are supposed to be scientists. Then they howl.

The red-headed mineralogist who is in charge of mapping the base with his flying orbs... gets lost. A few scenes later, the Captain calls him for his position. Which he provides instantly. Yes, they're still quite in touch with the ship. Where there is a 3D image of the base appearing on the table, along with blobs showing the location of the teams. And he's still lost.

Later, the biologist who ran in terror from a safely dead alien wants to go pet a glistening, sticky live one. He calls it "Baby". I mean, we know he's gay, and he and his red headed buddy have been flirting with each other since they got thawed out, but really now.

These characters simply do not act like people! Nothing about what they do makes sense! And it's not from too many explanatory scenes being cut out. Visually, the movie was awesome. But everyone involved in the writing and editing should be blacklisted from making movies ever again.


all very good points... the helmet thing isn't miserable, because they were stupid. i got a corporate vs. hipster theme, too. these people were futuristic hipster doufuses on a religious mission. they happened to be scientists, by coincidence. they probably also yell and scream when they go camping. now, the corporate people should have kept their helmets on, but that's only charlize theron, and we already realized she was never fleshed out as a character (and robot man didn't need to breath) -- maybe she has some serious issues with insecurity and fitting in. remember, she slept with the first guy to insult her / call her a robot.

but, here's a point I forgot to mention that i found rather clever:

the year is 2093 or so. when they get to the planet, they realize that it has been asleep for 2000 years. that means, the engineers decided to destroy the world roughly 2000 years prior. that's basically at or soon after the coming of Christ. so, that may be the event that pissed them off so much to destroy us.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:56 PM
Can we all just agree that it was better than AvP: Requiem?

Watched that piece of trash again last night on TV just to see if it was as bad as I remembered. It wasn't. It was worse.
 
2012-11-12 09:19:45 PM
IlGreven


This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

We can't have good sci-fi because when someone makes crap the fans call them on it?

oookay then.
 
2012-11-12 09:21:21 PM

pute kisses like a man: the year is 2093 or so. when they get to the planet, they realize that it has been asleep for 2000 years. that means, the engineers decided to destroy the world roughly 2000 years prior. that's basically at or soon after the coming of Christ. so, that may be the event that pissed them off so much to destroy us.


Have you not read the amazing Christ was an Engineer theory? Seriously, it's a very col argument:

Link
 
2012-11-12 09:23:24 PM
Holy mother of pearl! The script is 1000x better. For the love of God why did they $#@% up such a good thing?
 
2012-11-12 09:23:29 PM

Austinoftx: pute kisses like a man: it sounds like all my problems are with the editing.... I admit, he kept the movie at a respectable time, so maybe the cuts were necessary. although, i don't mind a long movie if it is engrossing. for the most part, i was engrossed in the movie.

Okay, the problems aren't editing. The problems are inexcusable retardation.

The crew take their helmets off in the base at the first opportunity, as though there is no such thing as poison and contagion to worry about. These are supposed to be scientists. Then they howl.

The red-headed mineralogist who is in charge of mapping the base with his flying orbs... gets lost. A few scenes later, the Captain calls him for his position. Which he provides instantly. Yes, they're still quite in touch with the ship. Where there is a 3D image of the base appearing on the table, along with blobs showing the location of the teams. And he's still lost.

Later, the biologist who ran in terror from a safely dead alien wants to go pet a glistening, sticky live one. He calls it "Baby". I mean, we know he's gay, and he and his red headed buddy have been flirting with each other since they got thawed out, but really now.

These characters simply do not act like people! Nothing about what they do makes sense! And it's not from too many explanatory scenes being cut out. Visually, the movie was awesome. But everyone involved in the writing and editing should be blacklisted from making movies ever again.


Lets extend the list.

There are two crew members lost and no one on the ship maintains communication with them (ok. it was because he was going to get to bang CTheron but still ...

They haven't invented DVRs (for the above mentioned crew communication). Jeebus I'm running one on the security cameras on my house right now for goodness sake.

They landed the main ship on the planet instead of using some sort of smaller vessel. Massive risk for no gain.

The arrive at the planet and immediately land without even orbiting a few times and taking a look. Should have orbited for ages mapping etc. Then woke up the rest of the crew.

The guy sees tentacles coming out of his eye-ball and instead of running screaming to sick bay just goes about his normal day

They have no concern at all for alien microbes on a totally foreign planet.

The alien baby grew from the the size of a football to a huge bigger than man sized tentacled monster in days with no source of food/mass.

There was no rational for the use of the alien goo on the archaeologist except that he was a dickhead

Here is a trillion dollar mission and they didn't bother to find a decent crew and instead picked a bunch of misfits and then didn't even train them (lifeboat drills anyone?)
 
2012-11-12 09:33:20 PM

IlGreven: This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."


No it's because it sucked. Most viewers were hating it by about half way through and there was nothing redeeming in the end. We do have good sci fi. This was a failed attempt
 
2012-11-12 09:38:44 PM

pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?

2) charlize theron's character was essentially superfluous. as a device in the piece, she serves little to no purpose. she should have stood as some juxtaposition against the robot character, as both are the "children" of the old man. she was basically overlooked. this juxtaposition would have been valuable, since the humans were similarly positioned against the engineers. I assume this was because she was edited out, which i understand, and I could understand why she was supposed to be there, but since she was so edited out, she should have acted better to make her character interesting. she was never made interesting by plot, position, dialogue or acting. you can have a large impact without a lot of time, but this is where real talent and perfection comes in. she's a more talented actress to have let this slip, so i figure there were problems beyond her own to create this unnecessary character. since she was so edited out, she should have been removed.

3) the captain guy crashed his ship into that other ship, suiciding himself and friends, with very little provocation. i thought that could have been a little more dramatic. they could have established more appropriately that this guy realized the importance of suiciding himself, instead of a blind faith in the lady character. this would have probably required more build up, since in the moment, there was little time to make a reasoned decision. perhaps this was another editing problem, and he should just assume that he was appropriately aware. it was mentioned, so it's acceptable... but, killing yourself for others should have ...


It sounds more as if your problems are with the writing rather than the editing.
1. Was a casting Misstep.
2&3. Were script problems. 2 was a waste of a character and 3 was a result of 2 not being developed.
 
2012-11-12 09:39:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting.


LOL.

/ anyone notice excessive pouches on the space (or environmental) suits?
// not going to re-watch this movie just to check that...
 
2012-11-12 09:40:37 PM
Stephen Stills? I mean okay, but you pick one item for the obligatory "future humans are still basically just like us" interaction and that is the best object you could come up with?
 
2012-11-12 09:41:38 PM

error 303: Prometheus is now my baseline for what an average movie is.

I didn't exactly hate it, but at no point during the movie did I think 'i really like whats happening'.


I paid $1.50 at a budget theater to see it. I got my money's worth, at least....
 
2012-11-12 09:43:20 PM
Ridley Scott makes a bad movie: it's all the fault of studio interference!

Ridley Scott makes a good movie: it's all the fault of studio interference!

Ridley Scott makes a movie with like six different endings, four of them provided by Ridley Scott: it's all the fault of studio interference!

Ridley Scott should either stop making movies or stop making movies for Hollywood studios.
 
2012-11-12 09:43:40 PM

RoxtarRyan: Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.


Kind of seems like the point, doesn't it? Hollywood wants megablockbusters. They don't want thoughtful, slow, deep thinkers for hardcore scifi freaks. They want popcorn movies for the masses. Why bother investing a ton unless you expect a ton?

Also, as someone who enjoyed the last season of Lost, Prometheus was garbage. The second half of the movie, once the husband dies and Noomi has to cut out the alien baby is pretty decent. All it took was killing off all of the unbelievable, terribad characters until all you're left with are the only 2 charismatic personalities in the entire bunch: Noomi and David, as well as some scary aliens and some scary hallways and some Geigeresque sets. Still, even then, it's not much more than an Alien ripoff that pushes too many wrong buttons, such as the pervo drunk captain and the strangely braindead type A mission lead and the vaguely homoerotic pilots. And it ends on such an obvious "Go see Prometheus 2" ending that you're left feeling empty and used.

A lot of what was on the screen could have worked, but it needed better actors, better writing, better sets, better directing, and better editing. I hope someone eventually does a fanedit, cuts out all the fat and just leaves the meat.
 
2012-11-12 09:45:11 PM

CujoQuarrel:

There are two crew members lost and no one on the ship maintains communication with them (ok. it was because he was going to get to bang CTheron but still ...



In her ship at LV-426, Dead Ctheron waits dreaming.
 
2012-11-12 09:45:19 PM

wildcardjack: theorellior: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.

Actually I was thinking more from the time I watched an F-15 dig holes in a runway with it's afterburner.

Also, Heinlein went over the problem of launching a rather large ship from earth in Farmer in the Sky, noting that to launch the interplanetary ship from surface would have left a scorch mark the size of the Mojave. I'm going over instances of engine wash used as a weapon and I'm coming up Mythbusters. I remember them using shuttle engines on Moonraker to torch the 747, but that was worse BS than if a Creationist got the green light on their version Jurassic park.


The did that in the Halo video game series. Destroyed a large city if I remember right
 
2012-11-12 09:47:31 PM

natmar_76: RoxtarRyan: Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

Kind of seems like the point, doesn't it? Hollywood wants megablockbusters. They don't want thoughtful, slow, deep thinkers for hardcore scifi freaks. They want popcorn movies for the masses. Why bother investing a ton unless you expect a ton?


I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.
 
2012-11-12 09:49:32 PM
Which is odd, because The Darkest Hour was utter shiat.

/I had to review it
 
2012-11-12 09:51:09 PM

natmar_76: A lot of what was on the screen could have worked, but it needed better actors, better writing, better sets, better directing, and better editing. I hope someone eventually does a fanedit, cuts out all the fat and just leaves the meat.


It needed to include Space Jesus.It's the one piece that makes most of the plot fit.

Here's a vid of a chick with pink hair going into it.
 
2012-11-12 09:51:53 PM
Is Looper a sci-fi film, or an action thriller w/ a sci-fi setting?
 
2012-11-12 09:51:55 PM

RoxtarRyan: Here's a vid of a chick with pink hair going into it.


Link fail.
 
2012-11-12 09:52:22 PM
Ok so I finished reading the script (had to go home and eat and all that)

MASSIVE SCRIPT SPOILERS

Main differences:
It happens on LV-426
Ship is named Magellan
Weyland only cares about the terraforming technology which was not brought up in the movie at all. Vickers is also not related, but does have big aspirations in the company
There is a reference to Engineer Jesus, but Watts (who was religious in the movie) laughs it off
The main archaeologists (Holliday & Watts) are very intelligent and extremely excited when they find the dead bodies, unlike the movie when he went all emo on discovery
There are a couple extra characters in the story, mainly scientists
Vickers also brigs 4 soldiers as bodyguards and protection, armed to the teeth.
Fifield and the other guy are given a toast for being stupid enough to get lost and left in the pyramid, pretty funny.
Would've been A LOT gorier than the movie, a lot. The med pod scene alone would've made some puke in the theaters
The Pyramids are terraforming devices, and they are made of living biological matter, capable of seeding worlds as long as they're fully terraformed. Kinda explains why stuff evolved (like the facehuggers)

David does not poison Holliday at all, but Holliday does die by falling deeper into the pyramid and getting facehugged by an evolved facehugger (I'm assuming the ones that escaped and killed the last Engineers, they never explain why that facehugger was different). He gets back to the ship, is about to do Watts, and ends up going into convulsions and chestbursted. The alien escapes (it's a weirder T-1000 like xenomorph) and ends up killing a bunch of the misc. crew.

BUT David is a huuuuge dick nonetheless. He figures out the Engineer ship is a doomsday ship named Juggernaut and it was meant to deliver a lethal payload of xenomorphs to Earth, but they were attacked and killed by their own creatures. David has 2 protocols, the first was to discover the terramorphing abilities, and the second was to eliminate the scientists. He grabs Watts, brings her to the "armoury" (where the ORIGINAL facehugger eggs are) and has her impregnated with an old school xenomorph.

Watts does use the med bay, but it's to remove the new alien, not a squid thing. The alien escapes through a grate and Watts is left in the med pod for hours (not minutes like the movie), and she gets crazy extensive surgery. When she awakes she sees a soldier coming in and he is killed by the alien. While he's being fed on, she slowly gets out, grabs his gun, and unloads on the alien, killing it.

The remaining crew (Vickers, Watts, a couple soldiers, and couple randoms) go in to find David because he locked the engine controls to get the fark off the planet. They find David, he resurrects an Engineer that was in stasis (last to survive massacre) and Engineer goes apeshiat, rips David's head off, and attacks the others. Most escape, but Vickers and a soldier find resurrected Fifield (he's much grosser than the movie) and he attacks. He mortally wounds soldier, jumps on Vickers, but soldier shoots him and he erupts acid all over Vickers, essentially melting her (she was a biatch anyway).

The Engineer gets to the captain's chair (like in 'Alien' where he's found) and starts to take off. Meanwhile Watts is driving back to the Magellan. Janek (ship's pilot) is in the command center when evolved weird alien attacks. it bites him, but Watts comes in and kills it with multiple head shots. They take off determined to ram the engineer's ship. During that the engineer's chest erupts and a super alien comes out (because they're based on what they come from) thus leaving the engineer where he was in the first 'Alien'. Ship starts descending, but Head of David radios Watts and says auto-pilot is engaging. They ram the ship, Janek is killed, but Watts escapes in a pod. She has to do the same run away as Vickers did in the movie from the engineer ship, but she does the smart thing and turns 90 degrees.

Finally she has to fight the super xenomorph, kills it, and lives in Vicker's luxury pod while waiting for a rescue party and playing chess with Head of David. THE END


TL/DR
Many changes to it. They farked up big time not doing this script. In my opinion it would've been much, much better. 
 
2012-11-12 09:54:42 PM
Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.
 
2012-11-12 09:55:21 PM

Virtual Pariah: natmar_76: RoxtarRyan: Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

Kind of seems like the point, doesn't it? Hollywood wants megablockbusters. They don't want thoughtful, slow, deep thinkers for hardcore scifi freaks. They want popcorn movies for the masses. Why bother investing a ton unless you expect a ton?


I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.


heh, I'm watching that right now, or at least it is on in the background as I study. Underrated movie, awesome score.
 
2012-11-12 09:58:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.


Dammit that's already way better. If I read this script I'm going to be angry and what could have been.
 
2012-11-12 09:59:13 PM
Ohh and I should say, the Engineers are given a much longer introduction at the beginning. They seed the world by using a sacrificial engineer to create all the life. The Pyramids they use resemble the Egyptian Pyramids (and were built in remembrance). They were considered gods (like Rah and all that), and even though Watts said laughed off about engineer Jesus, it could've been possible. They did date the dead ones at the site at around 2000 years.
 
2012-11-12 09:59:16 PM

BigLuca: Virtual Pariah: natmar_76: RoxtarRyan: Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

Kind of seems like the point, doesn't it? Hollywood wants megablockbusters. They don't want thoughtful, slow, deep thinkers for hardcore scifi freaks. They want popcorn movies for the masses. Why bother investing a ton unless you expect a ton?


I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.

heh, I'm watching that right now, or at least it is on in the background as I study. Underrated movie, awesome score.


Really good movie. Nice and slow with good tension. Love rose Byrne
 
2012-11-12 10:03:25 PM

pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:08 PM

Mad Tea Party: Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.


No, you're not alone. But explaining why on an internet board is too long and frustrating to voice a lot of defense of the movie (at least as I saw it).
 
2012-11-12 10:05:10 PM
I was really happy Charlie died, because I didn't know how much more of his "They're all dead, I'll never be able to ask them WHY!" bellyaching I could take. He didn't realize he wasn't in the ruins of a city, that the Engineers didn't actually LIVE there. Because he was f*cking stupid. Like a while race of space-traveling Engineers lived in one mound and they're all gone forever!

F*cking moron. I wish they could have killed him twice.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:30 PM

OnlyM3: IlGreven


This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.
We can't have good sci-fi because when someone makes crap the fans call them on it?

oookay then.


That's the problem with having stupid people write SF. Hard SF tries to ground itself in science, and then use that science as a foundation from which to speculate. That's why, when crap SF shows up, we slam it - because if it's easy enough to have a single SF fanboy tear it apart in a matter of minutes, well, your writers need to collaborate with someone that has half a clue, then rework their script accordingly.

For example, when I watch a movie about explorers taking a trillion-dollar mission to explore an exoplanet, I want people that, in the future, act as if they have more information that we do now. Currently, we map a planet before we choose a landing site. One of the reasons we've successfully landed rovers on Mars, including one the size of a friggin' car, is because we knew where we wanted them, why we wanted them there, and knew to the foot what those landing sites looked like - and we did this because we learned from the Apollo missions, where we did our best to map landing sites a half century earlier before we used a separate vehicle to land on the friggin' Moon.

I want to see continuity. This was a prequel to "Alien", yet the humanoid artificial lifeform in this movie looked, moved, sounded, and acted better than the humanoid artificial lifeform in "Alien", Really? We typically don't take huge steps backwards when it comes to technology. The interfaces and implementations in "Prometheus" were a damned sight more modern than the CRT-and-switch interfaces in "Alien", even though they were supposedly far older. Project Prometheus was, according to their own site, launched on 2081 - just 69 years from now. "Alien" takes place in 2122, 41 years after Prometheus launches, and yet their ship's interfaces and implementations look radically different, and much older, than what we saw in "Prometheus." What we saw in "Alien" supposedly took place 110 years in the future, but it looked positively ancient when compared with what was shown in "Prometheus". No continuity. Not even a little. We're not talking about "sexy" technology, either - everything from access panels to tools is radically different.

I want to see professionals. A crew that actually acts like this is a trillion-dollar mission - trained for the mission, with processes and protocols in place for dealing with all of the situations they instead fumbled and farked up in "Prometheus." We've been doing this for decades now, and there's no reason to doubt that the successful processes and protocols we've developed since the 1950s wouldn't be, in part or in whole, enacted here. Instead, we get the friggin' Keystone Kops in Space, with "scientists" acting like morons and "managers" acting like badly constructed stereotypes. The folks in "Alien" actually looked and sounded like they were trained for their jobs - it's just that their jobs didn't involve exploration of an exoplanet. The whole friggin' point of Project Prometheus was to explore an exoplanet, but they came off looking like complete morons. As characters, they were simply unbelieveable - as a SF fan, I couldn't open my window of disbelief wide enough to let that kind of stupidity in.

"Prometheus" was visually stunning, but the writing and plot was, quite simply, shiatty. It's yet another bad movie with good CGI, and a huge disappointment given the run-up to the movie.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:56 PM

Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.


Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.
 
2012-11-12 10:07:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: She has to do the same run away as Vickers did in the movie from the engineer ship, but she does the smart thing and turns 90 degrees


It was worth the read just for that.

Good synopsis.
 
2012-11-12 10:07:26 PM

Virtual Pariah: natmar_76: RoxtarRyan: Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

Kind of seems like the point, doesn't it? Hollywood wants megablockbusters. They don't want thoughtful, slow, deep thinkers for hardcore scifi freaks. They want popcorn movies for the masses. Why bother investing a ton unless you expect a ton?


I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.


I was pleasantly surprised by Sunshine. That movie is undervalued.
 
2012-11-12 10:12:47 PM

FormlessOne: We typically don't take huge steps backwards when it comes to technology. The interfaces and implementations in "Prometheus" were a damned sight more modern than the CRT-and-switch interfaces in "Alien", even though they were supposedly far older. Project Prometheus was, according to their own site, launched on 2081 - just 69 years from now. "Alien" takes place in 2122, 41 years after Prometheus launches, and yet their ship's interfaces and implementations look radically different, and much older, than what we saw in "Prometheus." What we saw in "Alien" supposedly took place 110 years in the future, but it looked positively ancient when compared with what was shown in "Prometheus". No continuity. Not even a little. We're not talking about "sexy" technology, either - everything from access panels to tools is radically different.


In defense of this, the older movies were more or less surrounded by military tech. If the future bears any resemblance to today, I'm shocked military hardware is only a hundred years or so behind. ;)
 
2012-11-12 10:14:02 PM

FormlessOne: OnlyM3: IlGreven


I want to see continuity. This was a prequel to "Alien", yet the humanoid artificial lifeform in this movie looked, moved, sounded, and acted better than the humanoid artificial lifeform in "Alien", Really? We typically don't take huge steps backwards when it comes to technology. The interfaces and implementations in "Prometheus" were a damned sight more modern than the CRT-and-switch interfaces in "Alien", even though they were supposedly far older. Project Prometheus was, according to their own site, launched on 2081 - just 69 years from now. "Alien" takes place in 2122, 41 years after Prometheus launches, and yet their ship's interfaces and implementations look radically different, and much older, than what we saw in "Prometheus." What we saw in "Alien" supposedly took place 110 years in the future, but it looked positively ancient when compared with what was shown in "Prometheus". No continuity. Not even a little. We're not talking about "sexy" technology, either - everything from access panels to tools is radically different.


Maybe, just maybe, for the purposes of suspending belief, I can try to answer this.

If you look at the functions of the various ships, the one in Alien was not top of the line. It was an industrial ship and it's controls and displays didn't have to be as fine as a science vessel.
As a matter of fact, if you liken the original ship to a construction vehicle in 2012, you would see things like industrial switches and toggles vs touchscreens and the like. They would be considered more robust and less prone to failure which would be cheaper for a mining company to maintain.

Just throwing that out there to account for the 30 yr CGI advancements in the movies.
 
2012-11-12 10:18:00 PM

FormlessOne: OnlyM3: IlGreven


This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.
We can't have good sci-fi because when someone makes crap the fans call them on it?

oookay then.

That's the problem with having stupid people write SF. Hard SF tries to ground itself in science, and then use that science as a foundation from which to speculate. That's why, when crap SF shows up, we slam it - because if it's easy enough to have a single SF fanboy tear it apart in a matter of minutes, well, your writers need to collaborate with someone that has half a clue, then rework their script accordingly.

For example, when I watch a movie about explorers taking a trillion-dollar mission to explore an exoplanet, I want people that, in the future, act as if they have more information that we do now. Currently, we map a planet before we choose a landing site. One of the reasons we've successfully landed rovers on Mars, including one the size of a friggin' car, is because we knew where we wanted them, why we wanted them there, and knew to the foot what those landing sites looked like - and we did this because we learned from the Apollo missions, where we did our best to map landing sites a half century earlier before we used a separate vehicle to land on the friggin' Moon.

I want to see continuity. This was a prequel to "Alien", yet the humanoid artificial lifeform in this movie looked, moved, sounded, and acted better than the humanoid artificial lifeform in "Alien", Really? We typically don't take huge steps backwards when it comes to technology. The interfaces and implementations in "Prometheus" were a damned sight more modern than the CRT-and-switch interfaces in "Alien", even though they were supposedly far older. Project Prometheus was, according to their own site, launched on 2081 - just 69 years from now. "Alien" takes place in 2122, 41 years after Prometheus ...


This , so much this.

I can forgive the fantastic science (warp drives, etc)

Can't forgive the stupidity.
 
2012-11-12 10:18:03 PM

Mad Tea Party: Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.


I went in trying to like it, but for a movie that relied so heavily on sucking you in via atmosphere, I had entirely too many WTF moments that completely shattered my suspension of disbelief to even begin to enjoy myself.
 
2012-11-12 10:19:14 PM

Virtual Pariah: FormlessOne: OnlyM3: IlGreven


I want to see continuity. This was a prequel to "Alien", yet the humanoid artificial lifeform in this movie looked, moved, sounded, and acted better than the humanoid artificial lifeform in "Alien", Really? We typically don't take huge steps backwards when it comes to technology. The interfaces and implementations in "Prometheus" were a damned sight more modern than the CRT-and-switch interfaces in "Alien", even though they were supposedly far older. Project Prometheus was, according to their own site, launched on 2081 - just 69 years from now. "Alien" takes place in 2122, 41 years after Prometheus launches, and yet their ship's interfaces and implementations look radically different, and much older, than what we saw in "Prometheus." What we saw in "Alien" supposedly took place 110 years in the future, but it looked positively ancient when compared with what was shown in "Prometheus". No continuity. Not even a little. We're not talking about "sexy" technology, either - everything from access panels to tools is radically different.

Maybe, just maybe, for the purposes of suspending belief, I can try to answer this.

If you look at the functions of the various ships, the one in Alien was not top of the line. It was an industrial ship and it's controls and displays didn't have to be as fine as a science vessel.
As a matter of fact, if you liken the original ship to a construction vehicle in 2012, you would see things like industrial switches and toggles vs touchscreens and the like. They would be considered more robust and less prone to failure which would be cheaper for a mining company to maintain.

Just throwing that out there to account for the 30 yr CGI advancements in the movies.


I took it into account, but even so, I'm left with a disjointed impression when comparing the two. That's also why I mentioned the other aspects, such as tools, doors, hinges, markings, and so on - there's too big a disparity to easily write off, a marked lack of continuity that forces a mental separation between "Prometheus" and "Alien".
 
2012-11-12 10:20:51 PM

sprawl15: Mad Tea Party: Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.

I went in trying to like it, but for a movie that relied so heavily on sucking you in via atmosphere, I had entirely too many WTF moments that completely shattered my suspension of disbelief to even begin to enjoy myself.


Same here. I'm a big fan of the Alien universe, and I wanted to enjoy "Prometheus", but at the end of the movie, I just threw up my hands (metaphorically speaking) and walked away. It was frustrating.
 
2012-11-12 10:23:01 PM
I don't get all the Prometheus hate, I liked it. I've watched it half a dozen times so far.

Only 2 things that bother me are; 1. paintings on caves = aliens engineered us? how do u get there exactly? and 2. hey, this alien world is a weapon plant. huh?

Its a good movie, I'm willing to give them a sequel to answers some of the mysteries
 
2012-11-12 10:24:11 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: I don't get all the Prometheus hate, I liked it. I've watched it half a dozen times so far.

Only 2 things that bother me are; 1. paintings on caves = aliens engineered us? how do u get there exactly? and 2. hey, this alien world is a weapon plant. huh?

Its a good movie, I'm willing to give them a sequel to answers some of the mysteries


I liked it miles better than Avatar.
 
2012-11-12 10:28:50 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: I don't get all the Prometheus hate, I liked it. I've watched it half a dozen times so far.

Only 2 things that bother me are; 1. paintings on caves = aliens engineered us? how do u get there exactly? and 2. hey, this alien world is a weapon plant. huh?

Its a good movie, I'm willing to give them a sequel to answers some of the mysteries


My issue is I left with more questions than answers. All you got from this was what the engineers looked like. Everything else was so far outta left field as far as Alien mythos is concerned it made no sense. You wouldn't even know it was in the Alien universe if they didnt show the Engineer's suit/chair and the second mouth on the ending shot xenomorph.
 
2012-11-12 10:29:44 PM
It's amazing - and not in a good way - that so many of you take this crap soooooooo seriously.

It's a movie. Nothing more, nothing less.

Farking allah, maybe if some of you had a church or temple or even some kind of farking hobby besides your obsession over farking movies you might actually have lives.

No guaranty, mind you, but it would certainly help.
 
2012-11-12 10:30:39 PM
It was a pretty looking movie with a Swiss cheese plot. Honest Trailers (YouTube link) did a pretty good job of pointing out some of the more glaring dumbness... 

/Probably got that link from the initial thread
//if so, hat tip to the original poster.
 
2012-11-12 10:33:30 PM

Virtual Pariah: Spanky_McFarksalot: I don't get all the Prometheus hate, I liked it. I've watched it half a dozen times so far.

Only 2 things that bother me are; 1. paintings on caves = aliens engineered us? how do u get there exactly? and 2. hey, this alien world is a weapon plant. huh?

Its a good movie, I'm willing to give them a sequel to answers some of the mysteries

I liked it miles better than Avatar.


Don't get me started on "Blue Monkeys Farking: The Movie".
 
2012-11-12 10:36:26 PM

Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.


Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.
 
2012-11-12 10:37:35 PM
I like this thread. Legitimate reasons to not like the movie and people who like the movie aren't trying to assert that those people are wrong, just that that didn't bother them. Faith restored.
 
2012-11-12 10:38:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426

Nope, they land on LV-223


I thought they were on LV-227.
 
2012-11-12 10:40:57 PM

Sgt Otter: Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.

Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.


Don't forget about people and things showing up exactly when it was convenient then disappearing when it wasn't (guns, generic crew members, space axe, etc).
 
2012-11-12 10:48:02 PM

Austinoftx: pute kisses like a man: it sounds like all my problems are with the editing.... I admit, he kept the movie at a respectable time, so maybe the cuts were necessary. although, i don't mind a long movie if it is engrossing. for the most part, i was engrossed in the movie.

Okay, the problems aren't editing. The problems are inexcusable retardation.

The crew take their helmets off in the base at the first opportunity, as though there is no such thing as poison and contagion to worry about. These are supposed to be scientists. Then they howl.

The red-headed mineralogist who is in charge of mapping the base with his flying orbs... gets lost. A few scenes later, the Captain calls him for his position. Which he provides instantly. Yes, they're still quite in touch with the ship. Where there is a 3D image of the base appearing on the table, along with blobs showing the location of the teams. And he's still lost.

Later, the biologist who ran in terror from a safely dead alien wants to go pet a glistening, sticky live one. He calls it "Baby". I mean, we know he's gay, and he and his red headed buddy have been flirting with each other since they got thawed out, but really now.

These characters simply do not act like people! Nothing about what they do makes sense! And it's not from too many explanatory scenes being cut out. Visually, the movie was awesome. But everyone involved in the writing and editing should be blacklisted from making movies ever again.


Here's how I rationalize it: the cryo-sleep technology hadn't been perfected yet, and resulted massive brain damage to every human member of the crew.

Think about it. Suddenly all their actions make sense, because they all have brain damage.

It explains everything.
 
2012-11-12 10:50:27 PM

andino: Here's how I rationalize it: the cryo-sleep technology hadn't been perfected yet, and resulted massive brain damage to every human member of the crew.

Think about it. Suddenly all their actions make sense, because they all have brain damage.

It explains everything.


It doesn't explain why they didn't brief ANYONE about ANYTHING until after the years long trip to the moon. Or why the Engineer decided to go full retard and try to punch out some girl instead of just getting on another ship to deliver his deadly space jizz to Earth.
 
2012-11-12 10:54:55 PM

sprawl15: It doesn't explain why they didn't brief ANYONE about ANYTHING until after the years long trip to the moon. Or why the Engineer decided to go full retard and try to punch out some girl instead of just getting on another ship to deliver his deadly space jizz to Earth.


Okay, yeah, you got me there. But it explains SOME things.
 
2012-11-12 10:55:10 PM

thecpt: I like this thread. Legitimate reasons to not like the movie and people who like the movie aren't trying to assert that those people are wrong, just that that didn't bother them. Faith restored.


Actual discourse - a rarity since the "September that never ended" - is always enjoyable.
 
2012-11-12 11:01:27 PM

BalugaJoe: scottydoesntknow: GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426

Nope, they land on LV-223

I thought they were on LV-227.


Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?
 
2012-11-12 11:03:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.


Man, that's what I liked best about it.
 
2012-11-12 11:05:13 PM

scottydoesntknow: GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426

Nope, they land on LV-223


I thought it was Seta Alpha V.
 
2012-11-12 11:06:13 PM
I liked Prometheus, kind of. For every stupid scene there is a pretty decent one (The med pod scene is the best, David at the star map, pretty much every David scene is good despite context being lacked).

For people who complain that it looks too new and Alien looks older after wards, I have a decent solution to explain that annoyance away. The reason Alien has more antiquated technology is: It's cheaper. Corporations will skimp at EVERY bottom line they possibly can, and for a bunch of low level peon miners or whatever workers they were in Alien, they get the BARE MINIMUM of advanced technology.

At one of my old jobs, we used a DOS based program for ordering stuff for customers. It was only in the last year they did an upgrade to Windows XP. That's right love, they replaced a 30 year old antiquated OS with an 11 year old antiquated OS.

So it doesn't surprise me in the least to see those kinds of computers in the future, and just reminds me how shiatty and evil corporations will be to save their bottom line. I think it's even more true now than in the 70s.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:31 PM

sprawl15: andino: Here's how I rationalize it: the cryo-sleep technology hadn't been perfected yet, and resulted massive brain damage to every human member of the crew.

Think about it. Suddenly all their actions make sense, because they all have brain damage.

It explains everything.

It doesn't explain why they didn't brief ANYONE about ANYTHING until after the years long trip to the moon. Or why the Engineer decided to go full retard and try to punch out some girl instead of just getting on another ship to deliver his deadly space jizz to Earth.


The link's script actually addresses the first one...triple pay for a classified mission that they would be briefed on when necessary. I'm floored this couldn't have been included in the movie.
 
2012-11-12 11:14:46 PM

andino: sprawl15: It doesn't explain why they didn't brief ANYONE about ANYTHING until after the years long trip to the moon. Or why the Engineer decided to go full retard and try to punch out some girl instead of just getting on another ship to deliver his deadly space jizz to Earth.

Okay, yeah, you got me there. But it explains SOME things.


It could be that the Engineer looked at the actions of the crew and seeing how stupid the humans had become could not help himself from trying to kill them all.

As good an explanation as any.
 
2012-11-12 11:15:16 PM

Mad Tea Party: scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.

Man, that's what I liked best about it.


Problem was, the only questions I cared about were questions about why people were acting like idiots. I still didn't know why the aliens were doing anything they were doing, but that's the question I started with and slogging through another 2+ hours to maybe get something approaching an attempt to answer was ridiculous - the entire movie could be replaced with a poster of an Engineer wearing a Matt Lesko suit and shrugging.

Nuclear Monk: The link's script actually addresses the first one...triple pay for a classified mission that they would be briefed on when necessary. I'm floored this couldn't have been included in the movie.


Yup. One line. "I know we've been keeping you in the dark so far - and you're being paid well to be so confused - but we wanted to wait until we verified that this exists before letting you out of the dark. What we have here is a bla bla bla"
 
2012-11-12 11:15:52 PM

Mad Tea Party: scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.

Man, that's what I liked best about it.


Yeah but all the questions started with something like "How could they be so stupid that they ..."
 
2012-11-12 11:19:18 PM

Mad Tea Party: scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.

Man, that's what I liked best about it.


Not when the questions are "Where did that axe come from?"
 
2012-11-12 11:19:42 PM

CujoQuarrel: Mad Tea Party: scottydoesntknow: My issue is I left with more questions than answers.

Man, that's what I liked best about it.

Yeah but all the questions started with something like "How could they be so stupid that they ..."


And all the characters' actions preceded by "Hold my beer and watch this..."
 
2012-11-12 11:21:32 PM

scottydoesntknow: GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426

Nope, they land on LV-223


media.comicvine.com

THIS IS LV-426!

/yeah, movie blew space jockey
//also:

ijusthateeverything.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-12 11:24:16 PM
To be clear, I really like the idea of aliens that are so strange we can't even begin to understand their motivations, or even their life cycles. I'm okay with black goo, and space squids, etc.

BUT people still have to act like people. Even in the future. Or you at least have to explain to us why they aren't.
 
2012-11-12 11:30:20 PM
I'll read this later and will probably enjoy the crap out of it. As for "Prometheus," I still like it; it's definitely one of the best entries on the list of movies driven forward by the characters being complete idiots.
 
2012-11-12 11:34:28 PM
The whole engineer intervention every 1100 years thing, but suddenly it stopped adds a mystery as well.
 
2012-11-12 11:38:48 PM

PanicMan: Not when the questions are "Where did that axe come from?"


It's like MST3K says, you should really just relax. It's a fireaxe --yes they have them on naval vessels. Really, if nitpicky stuff like this is what keeps you from liking the film, I don't know what to say.
 
2012-11-12 11:53:26 PM

Mad Tea Party: Really, if nitpicky stuff like this is what keeps you from liking the film, I don't know what to say.


seriously.

there was so much wrong with this film that nitpicking is just intellectual laziness.

"David just tried to kill you but you've managed to survive by performing an abortion on yourself? OK then, why don't you join us as we go wake the Engineer and see if he'll tell us where we can find the fountain of youth."
 
2012-11-12 11:54:24 PM

Sgt Otter: Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.

Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.


I realize that it is a standard horror movie trope, but that one really got me. Keeping in mind that they are on another planet, where you might think your guard would be WAAAAAY up, but not recognizing the universal danger signs:

runningteamflash.com

Was just crazy.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:03 AM

CujoQuarrel: They landed the main ship on the planet instead of using some sort of smaller vessel. Massive risk for no gain.


Not to mention a huge waste of energy.


FormlessOne: I guess this is correct. I think the last Sci-Fi film I really liked was 2007's Sunshine.
And even there it didn't need the faux antagonist. The journey was harrowing enough.

I was pleasantly surprised by Sunshine. That movie is undervalued.


Thirded.
 
2012-11-13 12:09:52 AM
One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.
 
2012-11-13 12:13:26 AM
I don't think you can solely blame Damon Lindelof for this. It seems he was brought in to make a compromise between the demands of the studio and the whims of Ridley Scott.

Taking all I know about the movie into account, and reading this new script, I'd say Ridley Scott wanted more ambiguity and less "Alien." 20th Century Fox wanted a more sequel-friendly film, and a much less expensive one.

One thing is certain: Spaihts' script would most likely have led to a better movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:12 AM

CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.


Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:32 AM
Why was the old man a young guy wearing really bad old makeup? I was waiting the whole time for some sort of flashback that never happened
 
2012-11-13 12:31:17 AM

Virtual Pariah: I liked it miles better than Avatar.


This, there was a ton of lost opportunities and bad re-writes. But it was still better than that polished turd.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:32 AM

eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.


I think that Prometheus' impregnation followed by giant facehugger followed by Engineer spawned Alien was better than what's in the original script. I wasn't a fan of the whole weaponized black goo, though. It would have been easier to demonstrate that the black goo was some sort of semi-sentient terraforming tool used by the Engineers which evolved and turned against them. The part I can't get over is the inexplicable need for the Engineers to exterminate humans using xenomorphs. Just drop a decent sized asteroid on us and we're done. Prometheus' problem is that it's half a loaf. They spent so much time insisting that they weren't making an Alien prequel. If they had just embraced that they were in fact making an Alien prequel it would have been better.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:15 AM

pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

Yadda yadda...

3) the captain guy crashed his ship into that other ship, suiciding himself and friends, with very little provocation. i thought that could have been a little more dramatic. they could have established more appropriately that this guy realized the importance of suiciding himself, instead of a blind faith in the lady character. this would have probably required more build up, since in the moment, there was little time to make a reasoned decision. perhaps this was another editing problem, and he should just assume that he was appropriately aware. it was mentioned, so it's acceptable... but, killing yourself for others should have ...


This is actually handled in the deleted scenes. I forget exactly, either the Captain grew up in a town or was stationed on a base when he was in the service, where they did biomedical or some other kind of scary research. They lost contamination at the research site and containment protocols destroyed the research site and all 2000 people inside. He tells this story to CT right after she gets a new one ripped by Guy Pierce, and the Captain says that he'd kill everyone on board if there appeared to be any risk of of something dangerous going back to Earth.

Most of the plot holes/poor character development was reduced or eliminated with content in the deleted scenes, but the dialogue generally sucked in them and it would have made the move 30-40 minutes longer.
 
2012-11-13 12:38:28 AM

mamoru: CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.

Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.


Luckily all the humans died in the end

All of them

The last one by starvation.
 
2012-11-13 12:39:38 AM
I went in with meh expectations and enjoyed the movie (in the theater). So sue me, I liked the strong female character and the idea of hostile accidental Creator aliens, or whatever the hell they were doing.
 
2012-11-13 12:43:21 AM

Stile4aly: eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.

I think that Prometheus' impregnation followed by giant facehugger followed by Engineer spawned Alien was better than what's in the original script. I wasn't a fan of the whole weaponized black goo, though. It would have been easier to demonstrate that the black goo was some sort of semi-sentient terraforming tool used by the Engineers which evolved and turned against them. The part I can't get over is the inexplicable need for the Engineers to exterminate humans using xenomorphs. Just drop a decent sized asteroid on us and we're done. Prometheus' problem is that it's half a loaf. They spent so much time insisting that they weren't making an Alien prequel. If they had just embraced that they were in fact making an Alien prequel it would have been better.


Yea it seemed like Spaiht's script led directly to 'Alien'. Hell you could even argue the distress beacon set off by Watts is what led to Ripley's ship touching down. Doesn't mean Watts needs to be alive.

Smells like they just wanted to cash in on sequels instead of tellin one story. They could've carried it on from this as a different storyline (in search of the Engineers), but instead Scott had to fly off the handle.
 
2012-11-13 01:05:33 AM

eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.


Okay, this one I can explain. So, we know from the Alien movies that the Xenomorph takes on properties of the animal it infests. So, the Xenomorphs in the facility are asexual wormlike things because, yup, they seeped into the worms in the ground. Now, why doesn't it create a human when implanted in the girl? Well, as the script mentions a few times, she's sterile and can't have children. Also, once the goo seems to interact with an animal, it seems to go into it's face hugger phase (The worm is a facehugger). But the girl didn't get face hugged, so the weird abomination is the face hugger stage of a xenomorph that is basing its DNA on a sterile woman. So why does it turn into a regular looking Xenomorph at the end? well, it face hugs on a Engineer, which we know has almost identical DNA to humans, hence why the Xenomorph looks similar to, but slightly different from, the Alien from the original movies.

At least that's my take on it. AS for the other complaints about people acting stupidly on an alien planet in a high stress, disaster of an expidition- yes, because people always act rationally in the face of stress and danger. Or, if it helps, just think away the problems. Why don't the women run sideways? Because it wouldn't make a difference-we only see the perspective from the camera, which implies but probably also distorts the implied size of the engineer ship. So, while it looks like I can squish the sun with my thumb and finger, I cannot- similarly, running sideways wouldn't have worked when the width of the ships is that big. See how it's plausible, explains what you see and keeps the movie enjoyable?
 
2012-11-13 01:08:17 AM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

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I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Already done. Knowing he was behind the writing was enough for me to not see Prometheus when it came out. The guy is a talentless hack who I figure only got his job by getting on his knees and blowing JJ Abrams. Lost was a complete and epic fail, a show I could now not give a **** of ever hearing about again. And this moron who has now succeeded in showing his lack of talent in 2 different projects should be enough for anyone to know to avoid at all costs.
 
2012-11-13 01:18:25 AM
Except for Charlize doing pushups in the (almost) nude, Prometheus was a total rip off. I wanted my money right after Theron's character screwed the ship's captain. It was a disjunct storyline at best and not worthy of the Alien franchise.

The script that wasn't used was better than the movie, but even that needed improvement to deserve the "Alien" moniker.
 
2012-11-13 01:32:10 AM

bglove25: eaee12: One of the many things I didn't understand: goo + human= octopus monster. Octopus monster + big white guy= alien alien. Oh and the 2 morans runnin around lost "hey look, a giant worm with teeth, I'm gonna pet it." No one is that stupid.

Okay, this one I can explain. So, we know from the Alien movies that the Xenomorph takes on properties of the animal it infests. So, the Xenomorphs in the facility are asexual wormlike things because, yup, they seeped into the worms in the ground. Now, why doesn't it create a human when implanted in the girl? Well, as the script mentions a few times, she's sterile and can't have children. Also, once the goo seems to interact with an animal, it seems to go into it's face hugger phase (The worm is a facehugger). But the girl didn't get face hugged, so the weird abomination is the face hugger stage of a xenomorph that is basing its DNA on a sterile woman. So why does it turn into a regular looking Xenomorph at the end? well, it face hugs on a Engineer, which we know has almost identical DNA to humans, hence why the Xenomorph looks similar to, but slightly different from, the Alien from the original movies.


I thought that the squid turned giant face hugger was more a product of the fact it came from Holloway's already mutated sperm and just gestated inside her. She was the 'egg' for this version of the face hugger which is why she wasn't altered/tainted by it like some of the others.

As for the Engineer needing to wipeout humans with goo instead of an asteroid or whatever, it seemed like they were, if not religious, then at least heavily in to ritual. David likely had his head torn off because non-organic 'life' (or a simulation at least) was probably blasphemous to them.
 
2012-11-13 01:37:15 AM

Techhell: RoxtarRyan: buntz: And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

Seriously, that was the biggest WTF moment for me.

You're being chased by a giant ring. What do you do? Do you run in a straight line, taking the same path as that ring, or do you side-step three feet to avoid it?

I mean, godfarkingdammit, you're supposedly a smart, tactical commander, and you can't realize that YOU EXIST IN THREE DIMENSIONAL SPACE???? Christ...... Any movie that is based around people that are supposedly brilliant, but are really dumb as fark (another example: brilliant biologist travels for years in cryo, first alien being he comes across, even being dead, he runs like a biatch from) loses all credibility, since whoever wrote it has no idea WTF they are doing.

Scott took a concept that was awesome as fark, highly anticipated, and turned it into a teen horror movie where everyone has shiat for brains.

I totally understand the WTF feelings about that scene. Not defending it as it's probably just ankle writing, but personally I give that individual scene a pass; I can totally see someone in a panic getting focused on one thing (run faster) and totally block out anything else (run smarter).


Or maybe she realized something that shape but smaller, when rolled on a table would curve to one side making circles in on itself till it wobbled and lay down, thought she should run straight to avoid it, but didn't realize just how big a circle it would make.

/probably not.
 
2012-11-13 01:40:13 AM

skrat211: Except for Charlize doing pushups in the (almost) nude, Prometheus was a total rip off. I wanted my money right after Theron's character screwed the ship's captain. It was a disjunct storyline at best and not worthy of the Alien franchise.

The script that wasn't used was better than the movie, but even that needed improvement to deserve the "Alien" moniker.


After Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, and two Alien V. Predator movies, the odds of a movie w/ the Alien tag on it being any good is less than 50%. That's worse than Terminator odds.
 
2012-11-13 01:48:13 AM
The parts that bugged me about the film was the male scientist who came off as a 'don't taze me bro' type, and the ending where the female scientist basically tells David that he's stupid and that she's human and basically nullifies the entirety of the film. Yeah, humans are going to be just fine outside of suiciding themselves after a second of thought and not being able to run diagonally. Yeah, keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-11-13 01:53:12 AM
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2012-11-13 02:03:07 AM
Spaiht is all over the documentaries in the BluRay - so I suspect even with his script getting butchered he got paid well. Haven't made it through all of the extras yet.

Evidently the black goo David put in the drink was it's purest form. That's why "Cuddles" came out of Shaw.

Max Von Sydow was supposed to be old Weylan. If memory serves budget cuts put a stop to that.

The deleted scenes do add quite a bit as far as character development... but I'm not sure I would recommend buying the 4 disc set just for that.

Also I'm sorry... the CG Fifield was far better and terrifying than makeup Fifield. Should have left Weta's effect in the movie.

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2012-11-13 02:12:43 AM
The movie was awesome. Suck it haters.
 
2012-11-13 02:16:16 AM
I liked the sad looking chinese guy.
 
2012-11-13 02:29:48 AM

hulk hogan meat shoes: Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.


Maybe it was a Frankenstein reference rather than a direct Prometheus reference? For those who don't know, "Frankenstein" is actually subtitled "or, The Modern Prometheus".

Frankenstein certainly makes a lot of sense, the ethics of scientific endeavour, man playing god, creating life from death, body horror, experiments gone wrong destroying their creators etc.
 
2012-11-13 02:40:51 AM
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2012-11-13 02:52:36 AM

CujoQuarrel: mamoru: CujoQuarrel: As good an explanation as any.

Works for me. I knew that, by that point, I wanted to kill them all.

This movie was so utterly inconsistent and full of stupidity that I actually felt a little angry at the time wasted watching it.

Luckily all the humans died in the end

All of them

The last one by starvation.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that. She might not starve but after what happened to everyone else who came into contact with anything organic in the other ship she may have wished that she did.
 
2012-11-13 04:32:41 AM

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

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I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


In a few years? Lindelof sucks right now.
 
Skr
2012-11-13 04:43:27 AM
Pretty much that same thing happened with Alien vs. Predator. The original penned up was pretty cool, but what made it to the screen really ended up piss poor.
 
2012-11-13 04:53:31 AM

The Gentleman Caller: JJ Abrams: There will be no time travel in Lost.
Damon Lindelof: LOL!


JJ Abrams: They are not dead or in purgatory
Damon: You're adorable. Bless your heart.
 
2012-11-13 05:18:40 AM

scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.


Magellan only made it halfway home before getting killed by natives, too.

Or was it disease?


/or am i thinking of the other guy
 
2012-11-13 05:26:52 AM
Am I the only one that remembers this? They announced it, and then changed it to a "Non-prequel in the same universe". A similar film without the gay sex.
 
2012-11-13 06:12:04 AM
Damon Lindelof is the AIDS virus of sci-fi. "Abstinence only" is the only way to keep the disease from spreading. Stop giving your hard earned money to projects with his name connected to them and he'll go away.
 
2012-11-13 06:23:43 AM

Mad Tea Party: Am I the only one who really liked Prometheus? Kinda surprised by all the hate here.


No, I rather liked it too. The "original recipe" script seems like it's a Bay action movie, whereas the movie we god was a more interesting take on the notions of sacrifice vs. survival.

I'll admit to being wholly taken aback by the first scene, but as the movie played out, I kept thinking back to it and it put a lot of things in perspective, to the point that I was expecting the Engineer's response to the old fart's request.
 
2012-11-13 06:29:11 AM

Virtual Pariah:
If you look at the functions of the various ships, the one in Alien was not top of the line. It was an industrial ship and it's controls and displays didn't have to be as fine as a science vessel.
As a matter of fact, if you liken the original ship to a construction vehicle in 2012, you would see things like industrial switches and toggles vs touchscreens and the like. They would be considered more robust and less prone to failure which would be cheaper for a mining company to maintain.

Just throwing that out there to account for the 30 yr CGI advancements in the movies.


A lot of people forget that the ship in Alien was just an intergalactic dump truck, and the crew rated just below used banana peels on the expendablity scale.
 
2012-11-13 07:05:06 AM

Sgt Otter: Fano: Sgt Otter: pute kisses like a man: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

I Iiked it. it's a scott movie, he wants his little, "what does it mean to exist" themes in there. similarly themes to bladerunner.

my problems with the film were not devastating, but noticeable.

1) why have guy peirce as an old man? why not have an old man?


1. There are some deleted scenes featuring Guy Pearce playing the "young" Charles Weyland. There's a TED talk on YouTube.

I still can't over the guy WITH THE FARKING MAGIC LASER MAP GETTING LOST.

Not to mention the guys running into the worst possible room.

Or a scientist not recognizing that that snake-thing was in a very blatant hostile/defensive posture.


Again, the original script came through with better answers:

- "Hey, break out the laser map so we can get out of here"
"I thought you had it"
"well shiat..." (again, one quick conversation and suddenly it's covered)


-"Hey look at this snake thing"
"Dude...put that down"
"Relax...our suits are insect-proof, bullet-proof, and everything else-proof...ack...I don't like what this thing is doing"
"I'll cut it off"
"ZOMG...acid"
"and now there's a whole in my suit and it's climbing in...."
 
2012-11-13 08:39:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: buntz: I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)


That's what drove me crazy about the X-Files. It was wonderful when they had a nice tight UFO conspiracy story going on, but they also went overboard with the various aliens around the time the movie came out (Grays, Black Oil, Roid-Rage Grays, Shapeshifters, Bounty Hunters, Faceless Aliens, the list goes on).


It seems appropriate to point out that, originally, the producers didn't intend on playing up the whole
UFO conspiracy stuff: they actually intended Mulder's sister to have just disappeared/run away from
home and that's what made him unhinged.

When that episode got great ratings, they decided to play it up, but didn't actually have a master plan.

Sound familiar?
 
2012-11-13 09:14:47 AM

DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.


So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!
 
2012-11-13 09:18:52 AM

yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!


I really liked it, but at the same time I can understand the criticisms.
 
2012-11-13 09:20:42 AM

yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!


And my axe! I saw it this last weekend on dvd and wished I'd seen it in the theater. Very pretty to look at. Yes there were huge holes in the plot, but it was entertaining none the less. I would like to see the directors/long cut.
 
2012-11-13 09:24:18 AM

theorellior: I was really excited to see it, I even dragged my wife along, who is kinda meh on sci-fi movies, although she did enjoy "District 9". After "Prometheus" was done, I apologized and said I'd go see a rom-com as penance. 

I think the Farker above had it right. Damon Lindehof = Rob Liefeld.



Holy shiat, dude, you don't have to go that far for love.
 
2012-11-13 09:26:31 AM

theorellior: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.


Well done!

/ Loved Niven back in the day.
 
2012-11-13 09:43:13 AM

DamnYankees: pute kisses like a man: the year is 2093 or so. when they get to the planet, they realize that it has been asleep for 2000 years. that means, the engineers decided to destroy the world roughly 2000 years prior. that's basically at or soon after the coming of Christ. so, that may be the event that pissed them off so much to destroy us.

Have you not read the amazing Christ was an Engineer theory? Seriously, it's a very col argument:

Link


thanks for the link. i think it's more interesting to analyze this movie in the terms of creator/created, what is existence, when does when create existence in another, etc. then whether or not they should have had their helmets on.

/ i mean, i think stalker is the greatest sci-fi movie ever made, and what the fark is going on there? i'm going to throw this nut with a ribbon attached and rename you all archetypes, and call this other guy a porcupine.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:12 AM

Slothfart: Damon Lindelof is the AIDS virus of sci-fi. "Abstinence only" is the only way to keep the disease from spreading. Stop giving your hard earned money to projects with his name connected to them and he'll go away.


Damon Lindelof is to shiat what King Midas is to gold.
 
2012-11-13 11:05:59 AM

TheLopper: yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!

I really liked it, but at the same time I can understand the criticisms.


stupiddream: yves0010: DamnYankees: I'm still one of the 7 people who defend Prometheus. It will probably end up on my top 10 of the year.

So I find another one... Now I need to find 5 more and we can build a castle and defend it.

I saw it opening night and enjoyed the hell out of it!

And my axe! I saw it this last weekend on dvd and wished I'd seen it in the theater. Very pretty to look at. Yes there were huge holes in the plot, but it was entertaining none the less. I would like to see the directors/long cut.


Seems I am growing an army to protect Prometheus. I got to watch it in 3D and it was one of the few times that I actually enjoyed the 3D. It was used to give depth and not to do cheap out of screen scares.
 
2012-11-13 01:21:25 PM
I didn't enjoy Prometheus, but then again, it's probably because I like Alien.

I can envision how a person who doesn't particularly like Alien might find Prometheus acceptable, though.
 
2012-11-13 02:53:18 PM

MorePeasPlease: I didn't enjoy Prometheus, but then again, it's probably because I like Alien.

I can envision how a person who doesn't particularly like Alien might find Prometheus acceptable, though.


I can envision that people who drool a lot might find Prometheus the BEST MOVEE EVAR.
 
2012-11-13 04:39:46 PM

KhamanV: Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

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I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.

I have to tangent and say that the last season of Fringe is pissing me off more than the last season of LOST. The finale of Lost bugged me with its final swerve and I felt it wasted a lot of opportunities with going with the Island of Vaguely Not-Jesusland, but Fringe? I'm okay with the time-shift and the observer war, seriously. It's Olivia and Peter making sad eyes at each other for what feels like 85% of the episode that I am not okay with and the total dumbing down of Walter and the uselessness of Astrid. At war? GO TO WAR. DON'T FARKING CRY TO ME ABOUT YOUR SHIAT. The last couple of eps were better. Slightly.

Also I liked Prometheus.


tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.
 
2012-11-13 04:54:01 PM

aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.


English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.
 
2012-11-13 05:05:35 PM

Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.


no, you can't.
 
2012-11-13 05:15:58 PM

aiiee: Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.

no, you can't.


Yes you can, here, I googled it for you.
Link
 
2012-11-13 05:48:36 PM

omeganuepsilon: aiiee: Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.

no, you can't.

Yes you can, here, I googled it for you.
Link


Oh, that settles it then, Anything I write is true. Awesome.
 
2012-11-13 06:28:03 PM

Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.


Whoever architected that little bit of wisdom needs a kick in the jimmy.
 
2012-11-13 06:41:27 PM
If you are anti-Alien you're probably Pro-metheus

/got nothin'
//but slashies
 
2012-11-13 07:09:40 PM

aiiee: omeganuepsilon: aiiee: Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.

no, you can't.

Yes you can, here, I googled it for you.
Link

Oh, that settles it then, Anything I write is true. Awesome.


Try the decaf.
 
2012-11-13 07:33:59 PM

KhamanV: aiiee: omeganuepsilon: aiiee: Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.

no, you can't.

Yes you can, here, I googled it for you.
Link

Oh, that settles it then, Anything I write is true. Awesome.

Try the decaf.


Careful. Apparently, as I've just now learned, *anything* I write is true.

KhamanV turns and ____ ____ _____ _____.

nyahhhhh
 
2012-11-13 10:08:33 PM

KhamanV: aiiee: omeganuepsilon: aiiee: Mad_Radhu: aiiee: tangent is not a verb you dipsh*t.

English is a constantly evolving language, so you can verb just about any noun you want these days.

no, you can't.

Yes you can, here, I googled it for you.
Link

Oh, that settles it then, Anything I write is true. Awesome.

Try the decaf.


He won't lay off the lsd and liquid drano though, the best we can hope for is a terminal overdose though.
 
2012-11-13 10:09:19 PM

omeganuepsilon: He won't lay off the lsd and liquid drano though, the best we can hope for is a terminal overdose.


oops
 
2012-11-14 01:17:59 AM

buntz: Oh, I also didn't get, and didn't like, why they had Guy Pierce in bad old man makeup. If he didn't do anything intricate int he plot, why not just hire an old man?


The viral marketing and sequel were the reasons I heard. I haven't finished the script from TFA, but it's pretty damn good. But, I also liked the movie. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. Characters panicked. I like seeing that in a script. In a horror movie you expect people to be stupid.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:26 AM
Just watched AvP on a whim and realized, not 11 minutes into the film, that Prometheus works better as a sequel to this movie than as it does to a prequel to alien.
 
2012-11-14 02:36:09 AM
I just finished the linked script, and wow. That really was miles better than what we got on screen. And that's coming from someone who seriously enjoyed Prometheus.

There were a few minor things I actually preferred from the filmed movie, especially how we're introduced to David, but for the most part I would have been much happier seeing this script filmed the way it was originally written. Almost everything is better. Better characters, clear motivations, a good solid connection to the original film, it's all there.

The one major thing I would have liked more than in either version of the movie, as others have said, is having the engineers not be giant humans. That just felt unnecessary, they were much more interesting to me as truly alien beings.
 
2012-11-14 12:37:27 PM

DreadnaughtZeta: I just finished the linked script, and wow. That really was miles better than what we got on screen. And that's coming from someone who seriously enjoyed Prometheus.

There were a few minor things I actually preferred from the filmed movie, especially how we're introduced to David, but for the most part I would have been much happier seeing this script filmed the way it was originally written. Almost everything is better. Better characters, clear motivations, a good solid connection to the original film, it's all there.

The one major thing I would have liked more than in either version of the movie, as others have said, is having the engineers not be giant humans. That just felt unnecessary, they were much more interesting to me as truly alien beings.


But since the Engineers "made" humans, having them resemble us makes sense.
 
2012-11-14 01:04:13 PM

Hebalo: DreadnaughtZeta: I just finished the linked script, and wow. That really was miles better than what we got on screen. And that's coming from someone who seriously enjoyed Prometheus.

There were a few minor things I actually preferred from the filmed movie, especially how we're introduced to David, but for the most part I would have been much happier seeing this script filmed the way it was originally written. Almost everything is better. Better characters, clear motivations, a good solid connection to the original film, it's all there.

The one major thing I would have liked more than in either version of the movie, as others have said, is having the engineers not be giant humans. That just felt unnecessary, they were much more interesting to me as truly alien beings.

But since the Engineers "made" humans, having them resemble us makes sense.


Yeah, it does make sense, but isn't actually necessary. They created the xenomorphs as well, and they don't resemble humans or engineers, beyond the basic layout of limbs.

I just prefer the idea of our creators being totally incomprehensible. Making them just big pale humans makes hem seem a bit too relatable.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:03 PM
I love Prometheus. I can't wait for the sequel.

/best film of 2012, IMO
 
2012-11-14 03:30:43 PM

Riotboy: I love Prometheus. I can't wait for the sequel.

/best film of 2012, IMO



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