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(Badass Digest)   Turns out the 'Prometheus' you saw was not the 'Prometheus' that was planned. It was originally titled 'Alien: Engineers', took place on LV-426, acknowledged the stupidity of the scientists, and had a much better ending   (badassdigest.com) divider line 221
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2012-11-12 05:59:57 PM  
I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

Biggest change so far is Weyland shows up 5 minutes (or pages) into it and doesn't go on the trip, instead of showing up 5 minutes toward the end like some sort of big secret reveal. He's more interested in the technology the Engineers use (most specifically the terraforming technology) and not whether they can grant him immortal life.

/"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
 
2012-11-12 06:14:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.


www-deadline-com.vimg.net

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.
 
2012-11-12 06:17:23 PM  
You mean that wasn't a deliberate attempt to make a so-bad-its-good film?
 
2012-11-12 06:18:11 PM  
I will admit that there is a competent movie in there somewhere. Not great, or even good, but competent. But as it is currently, it's a worse mess than the Iraq war.
 
2012-11-12 06:18:56 PM  
Yeah, no shiat. That's what happens when you get the studio hack writer du juor to do rewrites.
 
2012-11-12 06:21:03 PM  
I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426
 
2012-11-12 06:22:28 PM  
Space Jesus.

That is the answer to Prometheus. Space Jesus.
 
2012-11-12 06:22:58 PM  
JJ Abrams: There will be no time travel in Lost.
Damon Lindelof: LOL!
 
2012-11-12 06:24:26 PM  

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


Nope, apparently LV-426 was just one in who knows how many test sites for the proto-humans. Nothing special about it at all.
 
2012-11-12 06:24:48 PM  
Prometheus reminded me why I wait for dvd.
 
2012-11-12 06:26:48 PM  

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


Nope, they land on LV-223
 
2012-11-12 06:27:14 PM  
The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.
 
2012-11-12 06:29:34 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.


The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.
 
2012-11-12 06:30:30 PM  

GRCooper: I guess I'm a moran, or I missed something - I thought Prometheus took place on LV-426


It was LV-thetheater
 
2012-11-12 06:30:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.


Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.
 
2012-11-12 06:31:30 PM  
Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.
 
2012-11-12 06:31:41 PM  
In the original version could Charlize Theron run in diagonals?
 
2012-11-12 06:33:45 PM  
I was really excited to see it, I even dragged my wife along, who is kinda meh on sci-fi movies, although she did enjoy "District 9". After "Prometheus" was done, I apologized and said I'd go see a rom-com as penance. 

I think the Farker above had it right. Damon Lindehof = Rob Liefeld.
 
2012-11-12 06:33:47 PM  

MagSeven: In the original version could Charlize Theron run in diagonals take off her top?


FTFY.
 
2012-11-12 06:34:04 PM  

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


That was your problem with the movie? Hell I wanted the engineer to get away and destroy everything....EVERYTHING.
 
2012-11-12 06:34:57 PM  
This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."
 
2012-11-12 06:35:22 PM  
Kinda a dick move releasing it. But I guess it sucks being associated with that stinking pile of pooh. And he is smart enough to know that there is no better script than one that has not been filmed.
 
2012-11-12 06:35:47 PM  

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.
 
2012-11-12 06:37:27 PM  

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?
 
2012-11-12 06:38:11 PM  
DNRTFA, but let me guess: the studio farked with it.
 
2012-11-12 06:39:15 PM  
Yeah the finished product sucked, but the original script can't be that much of a gem if it contains "...and THAT'S how the pyramids were built!"

fark. You.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:09 PM  
Um, I watched the Blue-Ray extras, that you pirate bay, and basically they changed their minds on the script every other month.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:12 PM  
Ok, it still starts with the big white dudes.

The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.
 
2012-11-12 06:41:23 PM  

hulk hogan meat shoes: scottydoesntknow: The Gentleman Caller: The ship wasn't called Prometheus? Was it Serenity? Because that sure as hell looked like Serenity. Like "add-two-engines-and-call-it-a-day" Serenity.

The script has it as Magellan, a much better name for an exploratory ship.

Yeah, that Prometheus connection was tenuous at best. Like most references made to Prometheus in pop culture.


Jay Sherman's Prah-MO-theus was the bbest reference in pop culture

/got nuttin else
 
2012-11-12 06:42:39 PM  

IlGreven: This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."


This is why we can't get good Sci-Fi. The people who get all butthurt when you point out one single solitary mistake that a movie makes, since all movies are 100% perfect and if you see something you don't quite understand, it's because you're the moran, not because the movie made a mistake. You are why Michael Bay keeps making movies because the Execs in Hollywood point to you and go "These people will defend us no matter what we do, so just make things blow up real good."
 
2012-11-12 06:44:51 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Ok, it still starts with the big white dudes.

The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


Yeah. Still learning the lessons of the Star Wars prequels.
 
2012-11-12 06:45:02 PM  

Techhell: Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.

Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?


Lots of teeth. More than a human head can hold, with a tiny mouth no longer than a dash when closed. Angular jawli-holy shiat, they look like xenomorphs!
 
2012-11-12 06:47:45 PM  

MorePeasPlease: The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


I know. I was expecting elephant aliens with lots of ribs. Instead I got pale translucent Space Aryans in ribbed suits. FAIL.
 
2012-11-12 06:52:57 PM  

MorePeasPlease: The Space Jockeys should have not been just spacesuits for big white dudes. That alone makes me sad.


That too.
 
2012-11-12 06:53:53 PM  

Fano: Techhell: Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.

Hey hey hey hey hey now, let's not get... oh fark it.

Pouches = Mysteries (Need to have them everywhere)
Anatomy (knowledge of) = Plot resolution (a what where wha?)
Big Guns = ?
Ankles (lack of) = ?
Squinty Eyes = ?

Lots of teeth. More than a human head can hold, with a tiny mouth no longer than a dash when closed. Angular jawli-holy shiat, they look like xenomorphs!




I would love to see a "Aliens vs. Colonial Marines" comic illustrated by Liefeld.
 
2012-11-12 07:10:49 PM  

Mad_Radhu: scottydoesntknow: I'm about a quarter of the way through the script (they just reached the star system), and it's already a hundred times better.

[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 217x280]

I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


I have to agree with this assessment. DL is not a good writer.
He's one of those who should probably write backwards so that he could close the loops he creates. Hugely overrated right now.
 
2012-11-12 07:11:07 PM  

wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.


Constant 1G acceleration will get you to relativistic speeds in no time* at all.

* Other frames of reference may not qualify.
 
2012-11-12 07:16:22 PM  

theorellior: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Sadly, very few people in sci-fi have learned the Kzinti Lesson.


Actually I was thinking more from the time I watched an F-15 dig holes in a runway with it's afterburner.

Also, Heinlein went over the problem of launching a rather large ship from earth in Farmer in the Sky, noting that to launch the interplanetary ship from surface would have left a scorch mark the size of the Mojave. I'm going over instances of engine wash used as a weapon and I'm coming up Mythbusters. I remember them using shuttle engines on Moonraker to torch the 747, but that was worse BS than if a Creationist got the green light on their version Jurassic park.
 
2012-11-12 07:21:40 PM  
For all the haters.

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2012-11-12 07:23:39 PM  

fusillade762: For all the haters.

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bad is bad
 
2012-11-12 07:26:08 PM  
I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.
 
2012-11-12 07:26:14 PM  
Please...

Just make "Alien: Engineers".

We'll just forget about "Prometheus".
I'll even delete my copy.
 
2012-11-12 07:30:53 PM  

IlGreven: This is why we can't have good sci-fi.

No, not the hacking apart of the orgiinal script. The fanboys who tear absolutely everything apart if it isn't 100% perfect in their eyes.

You are why most major outlets go "fark it: LCD is cheaper and more profitable; plus we don't have crazed fanboys threatening to destroy us."


I liked Prometheus, plot holes and all.

The thing that bothered me the most was that after the one dude insulted both Noomi character's religion and femininity, they had sex.

Maybe it's just me, but that was the most unbelievable thing in the whole movie.
 
2012-11-12 07:33:42 PM  

Intoxoman: Prometheus reminded me why I wait for dvd


...download it off the internet. Saw it this past weekend (so the story is good timing for me).

'Meh' is too strong a word. Didn't really love it, but was sufficiently mind-altered so the time was not completely wasted.

On the bright side, I did get to see at least one good movie this weekend. What if a zombie knew he was a zombie?
 
2012-11-12 07:35:17 PM  
Just finished, and enjoyed the script linked in TFA.
It seems to me that had RS gone with this version, there wouldn't have been much to work with if there were to be a sequel to Prometheus.
 
2012-11-12 07:40:33 PM  

Rent Party: wildcardjack: Was I the only one who thought "If you have fusion plasma propulsion you don't need to crash into him, you just need to get him in your wake"?

They had a drive capable of single ship planet-to-planet transit. Those engines would have to be putting out gigawatts of energy.

Constant 1G acceleration will get you to relativistic speeds in no time* at all.

* Other frames of reference may not qualify.


And if you watch the ship it's maneuvering around at at least 3G's, although I doubt anyone thought about that when they were laying out the key frames in the CGI rendering.
 
2012-11-12 07:41:15 PM  

skinink: I bought the DVD because I liked the special effects in the movies and the acting was good. The plot was bad. The thing that disappointed me the most is how the Aliens morphed from being to being which it was born in. Just didn't make any sense.


That's something that carried over from Aliens 3 and other media.

The xenomorph absorbed some of the form of host species. Fairly canon stuff.
 
2012-11-12 07:45:30 PM  
I liked the movie. I didn't think it was great, but I liked it.

I don't like that there were like 10 different alien types (oil stuff, snake stuff that can apparently make you a zombie for some reason), belly squid, giant squid, proto-alien......)

And I WAS bothered the chick couldn't run sideways.

But otherwise, I enjoyed it.

I don't think the Engineers were trying to destroy Earth. I think they were trying to save it but David misinterpreted or misunderstood what was going on.


Oh, I also didn't get, and didn't like, why they had Guy Pierce in bad old man makeup. If he didn't do anything intricate int he plot, why not just hire an old man?

(I thought the abortion scene was gnarley.... although she seemed to recover a little too quickly after)
 
2012-11-12 07:49:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I swear, we are going to look back on this guy in a few years and are going to realize that he is the Rob Liefeld of scriptwriting. I've never been more let down by show than I was with the final season of Lost.


Lindelof is a golem risen up from the shiatty culture that birthed him. A half witted, barely conscious culture will always find this person in the aggregate of humanity.
 
2012-11-12 07:52:55 PM  
Here's a quick shorthand to help work out if a movie might suck:

If there is more than one person listed as a writer in the credits, look to see if they are separated by an '&' symbol or by the word 'and'

'&' - Indicates the 2 people collaborated on the script.

'and' - Indicates that one person wrote the script, and the second person farked it up.

There are of course exceptions to this, but it generally holds pretty true. If a script needed to be worked on after the fact, it was either no good to begin with, or the studio wanted to broaden the appeal of the movie and will do so by adding explosions and fart jokes.
 
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