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2012-11-12 03:16:53 PM
How did you get there?

They do a shiatty wasteful job that other people do well so they are getting their funding cut. Total dollars to the projects are not being cut, Planned Parenthood just isn't getting a cut.
 
2012-11-12 04:15:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

They do a shiatty wasteful job that other people do well so they are getting their funding cut. Total dollars to the projects are not being cut, Planned Parenthood just isn't getting a cut.


For once in your life take off your blinders and regard this for exactly what it is; punishing Planned Parenthood yet again for daring to offer a federally-protected service by cutting off necessary funding for other services. Ironically, these clinics don't even offer that service, just referrals. TFA specifically says none of this is supported by actual facts, and given the gauntlet of neanderthal reasons for cutting funding to PP that have originated in these red states, I think the onus of proof now falls on the agency that has decided to purposefully withhold aid to low-income families.

Here's a better article, anyway. Pretty much supports the "They're being douches" angle.
 
2012-11-12 04:37:01 PM
Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up. They're doing a bad job. Guess what? You shouldn't get the funding if you're doing a bad job with it. The only thing that leads you to believe that it's politically motivated is the head of Planned Parenthood saying it is. And what are they suppose to do? Admit they are messing up and the state is in the right?! Planned Parenthood has been Planned Parenthood for a long long time and the State of Oklahoma has been the State of Oklahoma longer than that. What has changed? It claims the department has violated the organization's First and 14th Amendment rights "by imposing a penalty on its advocacy for access to safe and legal abortion services, referrals for abortion and/or its association with abortion services." Did Planned Parenthood just start giving abortions? (the answer is no) So they got the funding when they had these political ideals and now they dont have the funding and still have those political ideals. It will be fun watching them try to explain that in a court of law. Well nothing has changed other than they have proof we are doing a bad job! Give us out funding back!!

I know it's really weird for a government program to use logic. But I'll take a win any time I can. And improving government efficiency is a win.
 
2012-11-12 06:34:49 PM
Well then, good thing there are the courts to look at the facts and decide who's right.
 
2012-11-12 06:45:59 PM
"They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"
 
2012-11-12 07:06:40 PM
I feel sorry for any normal person who has to live in Oklahoma and needs services.

What's really sad is, if they get away with this nonsense with Planned Parenthood, they'll go after other agencies next.
 
2012-11-12 07:08:59 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?.


"Hello? Hey Matt, how's it going? Congratulations on your election! Listen, my son, he ain't very bright, but he works hard and is a good boy, you sure you don't have space in your team for one more man in the office?".
 
2012-11-12 07:09:43 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up. They're doing a bad job. Guess what? You shouldn't get the funding if you're doing a bad job with it. The only thing that leads you to believe that it's politically motivated is the head of Planned Parenthood saying it is. And what are they suppose to do? Admit they are messing up and the state is in the right?! Planned Parenthood has been Planned Parenthood for a long long time and the State of Oklahoma has been the State of Oklahoma longer than that. What has changed? It claims the department has violated the organization's First and 14th Amendment rights "by imposing a penalty on its advocacy for access to safe and legal abortion services, referrals for abortion and/or its association with abortion services." Did Planned Parenthood just start giving abortions? (the answer is no) So they got the funding when they had these political ideals and now they dont have the funding and still have those political ideals. It will be fun watching them try to explain that in a court of law. Well nothing has changed other than they have proof we are doing a bad job! Give us out funding back!!

I know it's really weird for a government program to use logic. But I'll take a win any time I can. And improving government efficiency is a win.


Did you read the article you farkwit?
 
2012-11-12 07:11:10 PM

Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"


Well, yes. Hungry babies and young children do, indeed, cry. Quite often, actually.
 
2012-11-12 07:15:15 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"

Well, yes. Hungry babies and young children do, indeed, cry. Quite often, actually.


ZING! It's just like middle school again.
 
2012-11-12 07:18:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?


Oklahoma is a republican controlled state.
Republicans have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans are not above lying to do so.

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.
 
2012-11-12 07:18:47 PM
Planned Parenthood alleges in its lawsuit that the health department has given a "hodgepodge of reasons" for ending the contracts but that none of those reasons are supported by facts.

Oh, well thank God we have the news media to tell us what the facts are so we can allow those aforementioned facts to guide our judgement in these kinds of things.

This was an excellent article.
 
2012-11-12 07:20:00 PM
The Women, Infant and Children program provides supplemental nutrition assistance to low-income women who are pregnant or have recently given birth, as well as to children younger than 5.

Well, there's your problem, I don't see the word fetus anywhere in their mission statement.
 
2012-11-12 07:22:08 PM

Rent Party: This was an excellent article.


Elandriel gave a link to a much better article above. The one subby used sucks.
 
2012-11-12 07:23:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So they got the funding when they had these political ideals and now they dont have the funding and still have those political ideals. It will be fun watching them try to explain that in a court of law. Well nothing has changed other than they have proof we are doing a bad job! Give us out funding back!!


The Stealth Hippopotamus: They do a shiatty wasteful job that other people do well so they are getting their funding cut.


What color is the sky in your world?

Planned Parenthood, somehow, kept their government contracts for nearly two decades. So, either they suddenly got really bad at their job of the political climate changed. Seeing as how their most recent audit showed no serious issues, I'll go with political climate. And, given the fact that they were knowingly staying open on weekends and holidays, it would seem the costs are expected. They weren't even told about any cost issues nor given a chance to rectify any issues (even if they had shown up.

But, I think your gut really tells you PP was in the wrong. And, that's all that matters.
 
2012-11-12 07:24:26 PM
Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.
 
2012-11-12 07:25:03 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Rent Party: This was an excellent article.

Elandriel gave a link to a much better article above. The one subby used sucks.


Ah! A couple of facts...

Although caseload numbers had been falling, they were on the rise at the time the contract was terminated. Also, the organization is routinely audited and its most recent audit did not raise concerns about its performance, according to the court filing.

Cost per participant was slightly higher because clinics were open for extended hours and occasionally on the weekends. The department never told the organization its costs were too high and if it had, Planned Parenthood would have worked to reduce them, according to the filing.


Smells like an abortion witchunt to me.
 
2012-11-12 07:35:25 PM

Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.


Silly Jesus is effectively a bot. Don't expect any scintillating analysis from it.
 
2012-11-12 07:36:04 PM

Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.


I hate cats. They shall not pass through my pearly gates. They shall be banished to hell. So saeth I. In Jesus' name. Amen.
 
2012-11-12 07:36:34 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up. They're doing a bad job. Guess what? You shouldn't get the funding if you're doing a bad job with it. The only thing that leads you to believe that it's politically motivated is the head of Planned Parenthood saying it is. And what are they suppose to do? Admit they are messing up and the state is in the right?! Planned Parenthood has been Planned Parenthood for a long long time and the State of Oklahoma has been the State of Oklahoma longer than that. What has changed? It claims the department has violated the organization's First and 14th Amendment rights "by imposing a penalty on its advocacy for access to safe and legal abortion services, referrals for abortion and/or its association with abortion services." Did Planned Parenthood just start giving abortions? (the answer is no) So they got the funding when they had these political ideals and now they dont have the funding and still have those political ideals. It will be fun watching them try to explain that in a court of law. Well nothing has changed other than they have proof we are doing a bad job! Give us out funding back!!

I know it's really weird for a government program to use logic. But I'll take a win any time I can. And improving government efficiency is a win.

Although caseload numbers had been falling, they were on the rise at the time the contract was terminated. Also, the organization is routinely audited and its most recent audit did not raise concerns about its performance, according to the court filing.

Cost per participant was slightly higher because clinics were open for extended hours and occasionally on the weekends. The department never told the organization its costs were too high and if it had, Planned Parenthood would have worked to reduce them, according to the filing.


The linked, expanded articles occasionally have some real gems in them. Try reading them all the way down.
 
2012-11-12 07:36:36 PM

Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.


If they run out of their coal mine salary they have to eat their own bootstraps.
 
2012-11-12 07:37:13 PM
 
2012-11-12 07:39:52 PM

Silly Jesus: coyo: [transitionculture.org image 360x360]


Wow! I'm honored to be the recipient of the most thoughtful thing Silly Jesus ever did. I even got it to do the work of finding a picture of a potato!
 
2012-11-12 07:40:30 PM
PP does not necessarily offer all services but it does referrals to clinics they think are OK, and pushes referrals strongly. So the poor woman who's in for birth control pills is strongly pushed to go get a pap smear, mammogram or what have you.

Not getting preggo is a great incentive to go have some uncomfortable medical molesting done at a decent clinic. In the long run, it's way less expensive and painful than reproduction.

Then if cancer or another condition is caught early, the medical care required will be cheaper than the alternative. Such as, somebody has full-blown stage 4 cancer and it costs 10s of thousands of dollars to drag their miserable life out for a year or two. And somebody has to pay for it, often taxpayers.

To sum up, let's support women's health and control over their fertility, so fund PP. (and remember kids, you'll be saving on welfare down the line if less unwanted children are born.)
 
2012-11-12 07:43:51 PM
Another thread dumbassed in the boobies. Poor thing never had a chance...JUST LIKE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF INNOCENT, UNBORN CHRISTIAN BABIES.

/Just adding fuel.
 
2012-11-12 07:44:20 PM

coyo: Silly Jesus: coyo: [transitionculture.org image 360x360]

Wow! I'm honored to be the recipient of the most thoughtful thing Silly Jesus ever did. I even got it to do the work of finding a picture of a potato!


www.rottenecards.com
 
2012-11-12 07:46:28 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up.


Then post a farking source.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but you have exactly zero credibility with the vast majority of users on this site owing to the fact that you spend most of your time here blindly cheerleading for your team along purely partisan lines on ever single goddamn issue. Anything you say is worth exactly camel spit as far as most of us are concerned so if you plan to have anybody take you even remotely seriously, especially regarding an issue like this where the far-right has expended so much effort demonizing and attacking a perfectly legitimate and important health organization because it dares to provide access to a legal medical procedure that bible thumpers don't care for, you're going to have to verify your commentary with third person, respectable sources.

tl;dr: you're a liar so if you expect anybody to give half a shiat about your opinions you better back them up with cited facts
 
2012-11-12 07:47:40 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up.

Then post a farking source.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but you have exactly zero credibility with the vast majority of users on this site owing to the fact that you spend most of your time here blindly cheerleading for your team along purely partisan lines on ever single goddamn issue. Anything you say is worth exactly camel spit as far as most of us are concerned so if you plan to have anybody take you even remotely seriously, especially regarding an issue like this where the far-right has expended so much effort demonizing and attacking a perfectly legitimate and important health organization because it dares to provide access to a legal medical procedure that bible thumpers don't care for, you're going to have to verify your commentary with third person, respectable sources.

tl;dr: you're a liar so if you expect anybody to give half a shiat about your opinions you better back them up with cited facts


www.troll.me
 
2012-11-12 07:48:10 PM
I can't wait until my kid goes off to college so I can move away from OK.
 
2012-11-12 07:48:38 PM
No hope for this thread, I see.

/wanders off...
 
2012-11-12 07:48:49 PM
How can Oklahoma prevent Planned Parenthood from getting federal funding?
 
2012-11-12 07:49:05 PM

Silly Jesus: coyo: Silly Jesus: coyo: [transitionculture.org image 360x360]

Wow! I'm honored to be the recipient of the most thoughtful thing Silly Jesus ever did. I even got it to do the work of finding a picture of a potato!

[www.rottenecards.com image 420x294]


I see Silly still likes to use pictures. Any wonder why?
 
2012-11-12 07:49:10 PM
Silly Jesus is as Silly Jesus does.
 
2012-11-12 07:49:57 PM

fusillade762: Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.

If they run out of their coal mine salary they have to eat their own bootstraps.


Then he forces them to clean the street with their tongues and feeds them a lump of cold poison.
 
2012-11-12 07:51:04 PM

Egalitarian: To sum up, let's support women's health and control over their fertility, so fund PP. (and remember kids, you'll be saving on welfare down the line if less unwanted children are born.)


Shows how much you know. We intend to save on welfare by cutting it out as well!
Foolish lib!
 
2012-11-12 07:51:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.

If they run out of their coal mine salary they have to eat their own bootstraps.

Then he forces them to clean the street with their tongues and feeds them a lump of cold poison.


What's cold poison?
 
2012-11-12 07:56:17 PM
Listening to advice from Silly Jesus on how to run WIC is like making John Bolton a diplomat to the United Nations.

/What's that? Oh shi-
 
2012-11-12 07:57:59 PM

Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"


Line up for the yellow brigade.
 
2012-11-12 08:00:15 PM
Let this be a lesson to you, wimmins. If you get uppity with a man, he will make it his goal to injure you through any means available to him. Because that's just what a Southern gentleman does.

/So tired of these assholes
 
2012-11-12 08:02:05 PM

Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.


*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.
 
2012-11-12 08:03:29 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: No hope for this thread, I see.

/wanders off...


Yeah, the losers have decided that the election results don't really mean women want Planned Parenthood and don't like rape, so, yeah, Texas. For when Florida shows too much sense.
 
2012-11-12 08:05:10 PM

coyo: Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.

Silly Jesus is effectively a bot. Don't expect any scintillating analysis from it.


Did you not get the memo? Silly Jesus will donate $10 to Planned Parenthood for every person who bites on one of their trolls.
 
2012-11-12 08:05:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up. They're doing a bad job. Guess what? You shouldn't get the funding if you're doing a bad job with it. The only thing that leads you to believe that it's politically motivated is the head of Planned Parenthood saying it is. And what are they suppose to do? Admit they are messing up and the state is in the right?! Planned Parenthood has been Planned Parenthood for a long long time and the State of Oklahoma has been the State of Oklahoma longer than that. What has changed? It claims the department has violated the organization's First and 14th Amendment rights "by imposing a penalty on its advocacy for access to safe and legal abortion services, referrals for abortion and/or its association with abortion services." Did Planned Parenthood just start giving abortions? (the answer is no) So they got the funding when they had these political ideals and now they dont have the funding and still have those political ideals. It will be fun watching them try to explain that in a court of law. Well nothing has changed other than they have proof we are doing a bad job! Give us out funding back!!

I know it's really weird for a government program to use logic. But I'll take a win any time I can. And improving government efficiency is a win.


i18.photobucket.com

No Water, No Moon

When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.

At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!

In commemoration, she wrote a poem:

In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about
to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!
 
2012-11-12 08:05:23 PM

clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.


Being Republican is a choice. You should've replaced it with "moron" instead of "minority," since you can also choose not to be a moron. Not so much with race.
 
2012-11-12 08:05:44 PM

Silly Jesus: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.

If they run out of their coal mine salary they have to eat their own bootstraps.

Then he forces them to clean the street with their tongues and feeds them a lump of cold poison.

What's cold poison?


Refrigerated arsenic, you cold-hearted bastard; they're kids for crying out loud.
 
2012-11-12 08:05:52 PM

clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.


Except unlike "minorities," Republicans HAVE been making a concerted effort to defund Planned Parenthood. I'm not even gonna source it because you obviously already know.
 
2012-11-12 08:08:22 PM
1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2012-11-12 08:08:43 PM
Three.
 
2012-11-12 08:09:58 PM

TheSwizz: Silly Jesus: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Kittypie070: Silly Jesus forces his children to pay cash for every meal they eat that's cooked at home.

If they run out of their coal mine salary they have to eat their own bootstraps.

Then he forces them to clean the street with their tongues and feeds them a lump of cold poison.

What's cold poison?

Refrigerated arsenic, you cold-hearted bastard; they're kids for crying out loud.


Generational welfare has to stop at some point. Tough titties.
 
2012-11-12 08:10:45 PM

NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: coyo: Silly Jesus: coyo: [transitionculture.org image 360x360]

Wow! I'm honored to be the recipient of the most thoughtful thing Silly Jesus ever did. I even got it to do the work of finding a picture of a potato!

[www.rottenecards.com image 420x294]

I see Silly still likes to use pictures. Any wonder why?


I would assume it is here to amuse. Not sure if it is amuse others or just itself.
 
2012-11-12 08:13:18 PM
I live on tulsa.

The Tulsa world says the opposite of what stealthhippo has to say.

/hope to god gov Fallin accepts the Medicaid expansion
//funny how red state Oklahoma where I live is a welfare state subsidized by the blue states
///pointing this out to my friends makes them go all Jesus/socialism on me.

They don't even accept th fact that we recieve more money from the Feds than we take in, welcome to the bubble.
 
2012-11-12 08:15:26 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Tulsa World backs me up.

Then post a farking source.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but you have exactly zero credibility with the vast majority of users on this site owing to the fact that you spend most of your time here blindly cheerleading for your team along purely partisan lines on ever single goddamn issue.


I don't know his name from the politics tab. I DO know it from the vast amount of cleavage he spews out in the occasional thread. He has a lot of credibility there.
 
2012-11-12 08:25:30 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

They do a shiatty wasteful job that other people do well so they are getting their funding cut. Total dollars to the projects are not being cut, Planned Parenthood just isn't getting a cut.


The Oklahoma government claims that their cost per participant is high.

The actual clinics are giving them a puzzled look, checking their ledgers, and saying "um... no. They're the same as everyone else's".

Guess which group, historically, is more trustworthy regarding facts of this nature.
 
2012-11-12 08:29:47 PM
Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.
 
2012-11-12 08:29:52 PM
i think we as a country should help fund planned parenthood of oklahoma in order to ultimately reduce the number of okies

this should be obvious to everyone so open up your wallets, chumps
 
2012-11-12 08:30:38 PM

Rug Doctor: clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.

Except unlike "minorities," Republicans HAVE been making a concerted effort to defund Planned Parenthood. I'm not even gonna source it because you obviously already know.


Yes, republicans- to varying degrees-- take issue with some of the services provided by Planned Parenthood and are willing to dismantel the program in an effort to prevent some of those services from occurring. No one denying that.

It's how you say it, and the viciousness in how you imply their actions are. There are are those in any cause- no matter what political affiliation-- that would justify a lie if it they believed that lie would further that cause. You seem to truly believe that lying is a unique trait only inherent to conservatives in a way not dissimilar to a racist pontificating on negroes, chicken, and watermelon.

You may feel the way you express your dislike of conservatives in a liberal leaning site is acceptable but the truth is- you are on the extreme end. Your tone puts people on the defensive, you cause polarization of the worst sense of the word, and you are everthing that's wrong about today's political discourse. Hopefully someone on the liberal side of the house will call you out for what you are.

I put this challenge to all farkers- both sides of the house-- to call out the extremists when they start shooting their spiel. A majority of us have a stake in the outcome- let's not let extremists set the tone.
 
2012-11-12 08:30:58 PM

clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.


Is the state legislature of Oklahama controlled by Republicans, or is it not? Is the governor a republican, or is she not?
Have republicans tried dozens of times in the last year or two to defund Planned Parenthood and have they passed several laws severely restricting access to abortion or have they not? Has or has not the Republican majority Senate in Oklahoma passed a fetus personhood bill?
Have Republicans lied about Planned Parenthood in order to drum up support for destroying it, or have they not? Do you not remember when a republican lawmaker said 97% of what planned parenthood does is abortion, then later admitted to pulling that straight out of his asshole?

Sure, you can repost what I said and change one word for another, but I didn't see anywhere in your comment where you refuted a damn thing I claimed. It's not mudslinging if it's backed up by facts.
 
2012-11-12 08:34:00 PM
Well that article was chock full of info
 
2012-11-12 08:34:02 PM
I've never understood why liberals are so anxious to kill off their base. Seems counterproductive.
 
2012-11-12 08:35:46 PM

Silly Jesus: I've never understood why liberals are so anxious to kill off their base. Seems counterproductive.


Have you ever met their base??!

/jk
 
2012-11-12 08:36:07 PM

Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.


The cost of an abortion is tiny compared to the cost of raising an unwanted child via social services (foster care, WIC, etc.). Why do Republicans fight so hard to allow kids to be born and yet do not want to offer assistance in raising the unplanned child?
 
2012-11-12 08:39:11 PM
i566.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 08:43:12 PM

nmemkha: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

The cost of an abortion is tiny compared to the cost of raising an unwanted child via social services (foster care, WIC, etc.). Why do Republicans fight so hard to allow kids to be born and yet do not want to offer assistance in raising the unplanned child?




The most effective way to decrease both teen pregnancy and abortion rates is to provide contraception and education. Planned parenthood is more about providing womens' health services and contraception rather than abortion.

Take planned parenthood away, and abortion rates will go up. But that's okey for the righties - it allows them to bellow more.
 
2012-11-12 08:44:09 PM

Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.


Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...
 
2012-11-12 08:45:55 PM
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain."

Let's add "we object to tax dollars being used for medical operations of choice; and the socialists accuse us of being against medicine in its entirety".

Personally, I'd rather our handouts go straight to the people who need the assistance rather than filter through some convoluted bureaucracy, but I'm pretty sure most Republicans would go into conniptions about the idea of being able to apply for an abortion credit.
 
2012-11-12 08:51:10 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...


banning funding for abortions as birth control. Federal Medicaid funds cover rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions
 
2012-11-12 08:52:48 PM

skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...

banning funding for abortions as birth control. Federal Medicaid funds cover rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions


And...? Abortion is cheaper than welfare for the f*ck trophy.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:29 PM

skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...

banning funding for abortions as birth control. Federal Medicaid funds cover rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions


It shouldn't be OK for rape. God's intent is not to be questioned.
 
2012-11-12 08:55:35 PM

Shaggy_C: Personally, I'd rather our handouts go straight to the people who need the assistance


I don't think there's enough concern for the father of a rape baby in these kind of situations. He didn't plan to raise a child, and he's thrust into a situation he didn't want. Yet we worry solely about the mother (or in the case of conservatives, the baby too).
 
2012-11-12 08:57:16 PM
I've actually curious here: I assume the obligation of government to continue funding of these facilities is on the basis that such decisions must be reviewed to ensure the allocation of money is not politically motivated or otherwise intended to disenfranchise respective groups ... but what guarantees them this money, outside of such concerns? Of course this is a bad example, as it's a not-even-thinly-veiled attempt to strike a blow against abortion.
 
2012-11-12 09:02:29 PM
Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.
 
2012-11-12 09:02:59 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...

banning funding for abortions as birth control. Federal Medicaid funds cover rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions

And...? Abortion is cheaper than welfare for the f*ck trophy.


And you apparently just learned something. No charge
 
2012-11-12 09:03:48 PM

Silly Jesus: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Yea, it's not like there's any federal laws banning that or anything...

banning funding for abortions as birth control. Federal Medicaid funds cover rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions

It shouldn't be OK for rape. God's intent is not to be questioned.


Farking amateur
 
2012-11-12 09:05:46 PM

Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"


Silly Jesus, I've got a serious question for you: This is the internet. It's completely anonymous. On Fark, you can be anything you want to be. Knowing you can choose to be anything, why on earth would you choose to be a farking retard?
 
2012-11-12 09:05:52 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.


A SJ thread. Not an.
 
2012-11-12 09:07:35 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"

Silly Jesus, I've got a serious question for you: This is the internet. It's completely anonymous. On Fark, you can be anything you want to be. Knowing you can choose to be anything, why on earth would you choose to be a farking retard?


What makes you think I'm pretending?
 
2012-11-12 09:08:05 PM

Silly Jesus: What makes you think I'm pretending?


I didn't say you were pretending. I said you were choosing.

Now answer the question.
 
2012-11-12 09:08:40 PM

Silly Jesus: Soup4Bonnie: Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.

A SJ thread. Not an.


The letter es would be preceded by the word an not a. Just saying you are wrong on so many levels why be a wrong grammar nazi too?
 
2012-11-12 09:08:50 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: What makes you think I'm pretending?

I didn't say you were pretending. I said you were choosing.

Now answer the question.


One implies the other.
 
2012-11-12 09:09:27 PM

yousaywut: Silly Jesus: Soup4Bonnie: Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.

A SJ thread. Not an.

The letter es would be preceded by the word an not a. Just saying you are wrong on so many levels why be a wrong grammar nazi too?


letter s pronounced es. there ftfm
 
2012-11-12 09:10:21 PM

nmemkha: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

The cost of an abortion is tiny compared to the cost of raising an unwanted child via social services (foster care, WIC, etc.). Why do Republicans fight so hard to allow kids to be born and yet do not want to offer assistance in raising the unplanned child?


Two part question deserves a two part answer. Sanctity of life. No, we don't hold a monopoly on the value of a life, but we do hold more traditional values about it's definition. In that sense, we see terminating a pregnancy as terminating a life. We do our best to give that life a chance.

So why are we not so on board with subsidizing that life? Back to a hodge-podge of other values we hold true (again, not monopolized): personal accountability, self reliance, responsibility, etc. We feel if you responsible to make baby, you should be responsible to care for that baby. I'm not going to deny that these values do not have Christian origins in which it was believed that children were to be a result of intentional procreation coming into existance by purpose, and for a purpose, and should therefore have value and are to be protected.

It's no secret that i tend to lean to the right a bit, however I don't entirely share these more traditional views. While I do respect the sanctity of life over termination on demand, I also feel that the final choice of termination should be reserved for the woman who carries that child: I personally would not support any law that would interfere with that choice.

That being said, I in principal, agree with Silly Jesus, that those who oppose abortions on moral grounds- the conscientous objectors in the moral war as it were-- should not have to fund them. I'm kinda meh to that moral extent though- I just want to know i'm not funding a termination as an after thought to birth control. You placed your bet, you shot craps, now cover it yourself.

Anyhow, my ramblings on the topic in an effort to explain the why we want to save it but not pay for it later incosistancy that comes up from time to time.
 
2012-11-12 09:10:21 PM

yousaywut: Silly Jesus: Soup4Bonnie: Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.

A SJ thread. Not an.

The letter es would be preceded by the word an not a. Just saying you are wrong on so many levels why be a wrong grammar nazi too?


Sorry. When reading SJ I "say" Silly Jesus in my head. You're correct. Thank you for putting me in my place.
 
2012-11-12 09:10:33 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [i566.photobucket.com image 242x397]


SillyJesus is what the ignore button is for.
 
2012-11-12 09:10:43 PM

Silly Jesus: One implies the other.


Of course not. There is a world of difference between "pretending to be an idiot" and "choosing to be an idiot." I'm only asking about the latter.
 
2012-11-12 09:12:20 PM

Silly Jesus: yousaywut: Silly Jesus: Soup4Bonnie: Oh. It's an SJ thread. Well, have fun with that.

A SJ thread. Not an.

The letter es would be preceded by the word an not a. Just saying you are wrong on so many levels why be a wrong grammar nazi too?

Sorry. When reading SJ I "say" Silly Jesus in my head. You're correct. Thank you for putting me in my place.


meh
 
2012-11-12 09:12:35 PM

Ed Grubermann: Britney Spear's Speculum: [i566.photobucket.com image 242x397]

SillyJesus is what the ignore button is for.


theelephantgun.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-12 09:13:50 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: One implies the other.

Of course not. There is a world of difference between "pretending to be an idiot" and "choosing to be an idiot." I'm only asking about the latter.


Both mean that the person is not actually an idiot and that they are making a choice to give the perception that they are, in fact, an idiot. I was asking why you think I'm pretending / choosing as opposed to an actual idiot / farking retard.
 
2012-11-12 09:14:06 PM

JolobinSmokin: I live on tulsa.

The Tulsa world says the opposite of what stealthhippo has to say.

/hope to god gov Fallin accepts the Medicaid expansion
//funny how red state Oklahoma where I live is a welfare state subsidized by the blue states
///pointing this out to my friends makes them go all Jesus/socialism on me.

They don't even accept th fact that we recieve more money from the Feds than we take in, welcome to the bubble.


Wait, wait, wait. Wait just one second.

Are you saying StealthMoron is full of shiat? I don't believe it. He's always been such a dependable source of honest, intelligent, non-biased information and commentary.
 
2012-11-12 09:15:53 PM

Silly Jesus: Both mean that the person is not actually an idiot and that they are making a choice to give the perception that they are, in fact, an idiot. I was asking why you think I'm pretending / choosing as opposed to an actual idiot / farking retard.


No, they don't both assume the person is not actually an idiot. I think you actually ARE an idiot. That's why I'm not asking why you're pretending. But this is the internet, you don't have to be an idiot if you don't want to be. But you choose to be. I'm wondering why that is.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:00 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: Both mean that the person is not actually an idiot and that they are making a choice to give the perception that they are, in fact, an idiot. I was asking why you think I'm pretending / choosing as opposed to an actual idiot / farking retard.

No, they don't both assume the person is not actually an idiot. I think you actually ARE an idiot. That's why I'm not asking why you're pretending. But this is the internet, you don't have to be an idiot if you don't want to be. But you choose to be. I'm wondering why that is.


Is a true idiot capable of convincingly pretending to be a non-idiot? I don't think you're thinking this through.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:14 PM

clowncar on fire: Sanctity of life.


Sure. If you say so.

That being said, I in principal, agree with Silly Jesus, that those who oppose abortions on moral grounds- the conscientous objectors in the moral war as it were-- should not have to fund them.

My taxes pay for lots of things I find morally objectionable. That's the price you pay for living in a first-world country.
 
2012-11-12 09:19:38 PM

Silly Jesus: Is a true idiot capable of convincingly pretending to be a non-idiot? I don't think you're thinking this through.


NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT PRETENDING.

I'm talking about not being an idiot anymore. You have the choice and the power to not be an idiot, but you choose to remain as you are. I'm trying to figure out why, but you're not even smart enough to understand the damn question.
 
2012-11-12 09:20:51 PM

Nobodyn0se: I'm wondering why that is.


Because people pay attention to him. Just like any other troll. He's here for the attention and he's found a pretty good schtick, all things considered.
 
2012-11-12 09:21:51 PM

Ed Grubermann: Nobodyn0se: I'm wondering why that is.

Because people pay attention to him. Just like any other troll. He's here for the attention and he's found a pretty good schtick, all things considered.


I'm not a troll and I still get people to pay attention to me. If I can do it, why can't he?
 
2012-11-12 09:22:14 PM
"Forgive me for noting that conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less."
 
2012-11-12 09:22:55 PM

clowncar on fire: [derp]


Sanctity of life? You then why do people like want children to go hungry?

You're just another hypocrite like the rest, practicing bigotry under guise of benevolence.
 
2012-11-12 09:23:30 PM

nmemkha: clowncar on fire: [derp]

Sanctity of life? You then why do people like you want children to go hungry?

You're just another hypocrite like the rest, practicing bigotry under guise of benevolence.

 
2012-11-12 09:24:01 PM

Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.


Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.
 
2012-11-12 09:24:15 PM
No Water, No Moon

When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.

At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!

In commemoration, she wrote a poem:

In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about
to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!


Why is it every time you post this poem I can't stop picturing Tom Cullen belting out Bob Marley's "No Woman, No Cry" and spelling out M-O-O-N after every other verse?
 
2012-11-12 09:24:22 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: Is a true idiot capable of convincingly pretending to be a non-idiot? I don't think you're thinking this through.

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT PRETENDING.

I'm talking about not being an idiot anymore. You have the choice and the power to not be an idiot, but you choose to remain as you are. I'm trying to figure out why, but you're not even smart enough to understand the damn question.


You said I'm an idiot. I interpret that differently than ignorant. Ignorant you can change...idiot you can't....at least how I use the term. Idiot implies a hardwired deficiency, which you say that I have...yet you are trying to figure out why when on the internet I don't just switch that off and be a non-idiot. Your potatos are cereal.
 
2012-11-12 09:25:19 PM
But WIC helps pregnant women eat healthily even if they don't have other kids. This benefits the fetus so it should be all good by the fetus worshipers, er people so devoted to the sanctity of all life.
 
2012-11-12 09:25:49 PM

Silly Jesus: You said I'm an idiot. I interpret that differently than ignorant. Ignorant you can change...idiot you can't....at least how I use the term. Idiot implies a hardwired deficiency, which you say that I have...yet you are trying to figure out why when on the internet I don't just switch that off and be a non-idiot. Your potatos are cereal.


I am so freaking glad you aren't in any of my classes.

Ok, going back to ignoring you now.
 
2012-11-12 09:26:11 PM

fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.


Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?
 
2012-11-12 09:27:08 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: You said I'm an idiot. I interpret that differently than ignorant. Ignorant you can change...idiot you can't....at least how I use the term. Idiot implies a hardwired deficiency, which you say that I have...yet you are trying to figure out why when on the internet I don't just switch that off and be a non-idiot. Your potatos are cereal.

I am so freaking glad you aren't in any of my classes.

Ok, going back to ignoring you now.


I'm glad I'm not either...I'm allergic to crayons.
 
2012-11-12 09:30:13 PM

Silly Jesus: I'm glad I'm not either...I'm allergic to crayons.


And books, apparently.
 
2012-11-12 09:32:01 PM

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: I'm glad I'm not either...I'm allergic to crayons.

And books, apparently.


Just the coloring ones. Which one is your favorite?

Thought you were ignoring me, you silly goose.
 
2012-11-12 09:33:37 PM
I'm really surprised SJ is getting so many bites. This is some of the weakest trolling this site has seen. And this site sets some pretty low standards.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:45 PM

nmemkha: nmemkha: clowncar on fire: [derp]

Sanctity of life? You then why do people like you want children to go hungry?

You're just another hypocrite like the rest, practicing bigotry under guise of benevolence.


I explained the rational, I didn't write it myself. In theory anyone who wanted and cared to bring a child into this world would protect that child at all costs, which might include putting that child ahead of yur personal desires to insure that child was fed. If you couldn't do that- why would you bother to even make a child in the first place. Again these beliefs come from old values assuming that: one was prepared for a lifetime of responsibility when conceiving a child and that one was committed enough to care for that child. Doesn't necessarily always hold true but a little more sound in judgement then "let's hope the rubber don't break again".
 
2012-11-12 09:34:59 PM

Heraclitus: "Forgive me for noting that conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less."


Still too pithy by half
 
2012-11-12 09:56:12 PM

clowncar on fire: nmemkha: nmemkha: clowncar on fire: [derp]

Sanctity of life? You then why do people like you want children to go hungry?

You're just another hypocrite like the rest, practicing bigotry under guise of benevolence.

I explained the rational, I didn't write it myself. In theory anyone who wanted and cared to bring a child into this world would protect that child at all costs, which might include putting that child ahead of yur personal desires to insure that child was fed. If you couldn't do that- why would you bother to even make a child in the first place. Again these beliefs come from old values assuming that: one was prepared for a lifetime of responsibility when conceiving a child and that one was committed enough to care for that child. Doesn't necessarily always hold true but a little more sound in judgement then "let's hope the rubber don't break again".


Please explain my hypocracy. I brought two daughters in the world, both who i love and do the best I can by. I'm not denying that i make mistakes from time to time as there is no true guide to parenting other than expiriencing it.

My bigotry? Seriously. Where?

My "benevolence" as you refer to it is federally mandated. I wish I could feel as happy as you giving generously to every cause that crosses my path, but the reality is, we all have our own values that we cherry pick through. I don't like funding irresponsible behavior, and if Ihave to, would prefer to be providing the material you need to put your life back together rather than just throwing cash at the problem. I don't mind subsidizing your basic needs in exchange for just few small favors in return: help your neighbor instead of preying on him. Take care of that which I so "benevolently" provide. Use those materials I provide in a responsible manner. Do this and I may just start enjoying my "benevolence" and may want to give more.

And yes, I honestly do believe that there are people out there who living up to these standards and have not been tainted by the harshness of poverty. Unfortunately for every ten of them, we get a "Obama-phone" lady pissing in the stew and poisoning its appeal.
 
2012-11-12 09:57:34 PM
A great way for me to judge how much concentrated derp is in a thread, is by how many posts disappear when I click on it. It says 109, I only see 35. That's a shiat-load of derp, right there.
 
2012-11-12 09:59:49 PM

clowncar on fire: cMy bigotry? Seriously. Where?


Bigotry against the poor.
 
2012-11-12 10:01:49 PM

Gepetto: I'm really surprised SJ is getting so many bites. This is some of the weakest trolling this site has seen. And this site sets some pretty low standards.


Perhaps SJ has had a change in heart and tactics so has taken a slide a little more toward center?
 
2012-11-12 10:01:58 PM

Silly Jesus: Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: I'm glad I'm not either...I'm allergic to crayons.

And books, apparently.

Just the coloring ones. Which one is your favorite?

Thought you were ignoring me, you silly goose.


The devil thought is born in your penis mind:
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Is That So?

The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life.

A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child.

This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.

In great anger the parent went to the master. "Is that so?" was all he would say.

After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed.

A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.

The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back.

Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: "Is that so?"
 
2012-11-12 10:02:00 PM

Coco LaFemme: A great way for me to judge how much concentrated derp is in a thread, is by how many posts disappear when I click on it. It says 109, I only see 35. That's a shiat-load of derp, right there.


Are you the person who comes into every thread and posts that same line or is that some other moron?
 
2012-11-12 10:09:07 PM

nmemkha: clowncar on fire: cMy bigotry? Seriously. Where?

Bigotry against the poor.


I was the poor for quite a few years. Not because I couldn't find a job so much as that I made a lot of wrong decisions on how I spent that paycheck. As luck would have it, I did stay on the right side of the law so I was able to get all bootstrappy and joined the military when I saw the direction my life was headed.

If you've ever been out on the streets in Tucson- you learn the difference between a decorative orange and a real one in about one bite.
 
2012-11-12 10:15:40 PM
If we really wanted to, there are ways we could work together to reduce the abortion rate in this country.

Your highest Teen pregnancy rates come from states that focus on abstinence only education. Let's get rid of that shiat, it clearly doesn't work.

We might also have to grow the fark up about sex as a country long enough to Talk openly with our children. The amount of ridiculous shiat about "shutting it down" should not be acceptable.

Also, let's show some cost projections on how much 18 years of welfare payments are worth. Make it easy for RushCo to scream about how democratic minority abortions would save the country money AND help keep a permanent republican majority.

There's middle ground here.
 
2012-11-12 10:27:04 PM

Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"


You're going to pay one way or another. It's cheaper this way.
 
2012-11-12 10:32:37 PM

Ed Grubermann: clowncar on fire: Sanctity of life.

Sure. If you say so.

That being said, I in principal, agree with Silly Jesus, that those who oppose abortions on moral grounds- the conscientous objectors in the moral war as it were-- should not have to fund them.

My taxes pay for lots of things I find morally objectionable. That's the price you pay for living in a first-world country.


My bad, I had actually intended to mention the part that we all fund things we object to, but I got caught up in my next thought- which you conveniently excluded-- which was that I just don't like funding irresponsible, avoidable behavior. Had i have slipped in the part about us all funding things we object to. I probably would have not come off sounding like a twatwaffle.

But then again, had you included the rest of my post, it wouold have more than obvious that my objections with abortion would not be one of morals so much as in opposition to enabling boneheaded behavior.

I've also pointed out earlier that I would not support any law interfering with a woman's right of choice over her own health issues. This specifically is to include an unwanted pregnancy as a result of rape.
 
2012-11-12 10:39:13 PM

BarrRepublican: If we really wanted to, there are ways we could work together to reduce the abortion rate in this country.

Your highest Teen pregnancy rates come from states that focus on abstinence only education. Let's get rid of that shiat, it clearly doesn't work.

We might also have to grow the fark up about sex as a country long enough to Talk openly with our children. The amount of ridiculous shiat about "shutting it down" should not be acceptable.

Also, let's show some cost projections on how much 18 years of welfare payments are worth. Make it easy for RushCo to scream about how democratic minority abortions would save the country money AND help keep a permanent republican majority.

There's middle ground here.


You've obviously never sat through a season of "The Secret Life of a Teenager" It seems like everytime a parent has an open discussion with their child about sex, that kid is destined to become pregnant within 3 episodes.

Middle ground that seems to be working for me is: keep them feeling good about who they are, know who their friends are, and keep in touch with them when they do go out.
 
2012-11-12 10:44:28 PM
You see, Romney and his crowd don't want to ban abortion. They just want to put any clinic or health care professional associated with abortion out of business (this phrase can translate as 1. unemployed, 2. in prison, or 3. murdered).
 
2012-11-12 10:47:03 PM

clowncar on fire: BarrRepublican: If we really wanted to, there are ways we could work together to reduce the abortion rate in this country.

Your highest Teen pregnancy rates come from states that focus on abstinence only education. Let's get rid of that shiat, it clearly doesn't work.

We might also have to grow the fark up about sex as a country long enough to Talk openly with our children. The amount of ridiculous shiat about "shutting it down" should not be acceptable.

Also, let's show some cost projections on how much 18 years of welfare payments are worth. Make it easy for RushCo to scream about how democratic minority abortions would save the country money AND help keep a permanent republican majority.

There's middle ground here.

You've obviously never sat through a season of "The Secret Life of a Teenager" It seems like everytime a parent has an open discussion with their child about sex, that kid is destined to become pregnant within 3 episodes.

Middle ground that seems to be working for me is: keep them feeling good about who they are, know who their friends are, and keep in touch with them when they do go out.


You sound reasonable on this issue.

//now go away and bring back the derpitude this is Fark..
 
2012-11-12 10:51:13 PM
Don't want abortions? Then teach sex education and contraceptive use, along with easier access to contraceptives.

And knock it off with the religious shaming and shrieking about how evil, immoral, against God, etc the act of sex is. All of the opposition to sex, contraceptives, abortion, and education is religious-based, and they're afraid of losing their power and influence over people when those people view sex as normal and nothing to be ashamed of and engage in it intelligently and safely.

Also, you might want to ask God to stop killing hundreds of thousands of fertilized eggs every year by not letting them attach to the uterine wall, and stop killing thousands of fetuses every year with miscarriages and other complications.
 
2012-11-12 10:58:39 PM
People need to understand abortion is now a political issue not a moral question. Don't believe me? Here is a quote from the Republican party platform.

Through Obamacare, the current Administration has promoted the notion of abortion as healthcare. We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it.

It's not a moral question, it's a political issue and a tool to divide people.

If you wish to discuss morals, let's talk about using abortion as a political tool to try--unsuccessfully--to win political office. I can assure you, as the Republican party is the party of Lincoln, if the Republicans could win the POTUS without banning any abortion they would do it, and if they could win it by banning all abortions they would do it; and if they could win it by banning some and leaving other abortions alone they would also do that.
 
2012-11-12 11:06:22 PM
The submitter of this thread and whoever approved it deserve each other.

/in bed
//legitimate rape
///slashie funding
 
2012-11-12 11:10:18 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't want abortions? Then teach sex education and contraceptive use, along with easier access to contraceptives.

And knock it off with the religious shaming and shrieking about how evil, immoral, against God, etc the act of sex is. All of the opposition to sex, contraceptives, abortion, and education is religious-based, and they're afraid of losing their power and influence over people when those people view sex as normal and nothing to be ashamed of and engage in it intelligently and safely.


if we do that can we keep the shame-on-you-for-having-a-kid-you-can't-afford stuff?
 
2012-11-12 11:22:24 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You see, Romney and his crowd don't want to ban abortion. They just want to put any clinic or health care professional associated with abortion out of business (this phrase can translate as 1. unemployed, 2. in prison, or 3. murdered).


I think you are referring the the extremis of the conservative party. I think most of us are just ok about people making responsible choices when it comes to getting or avoiding pregnancy. In Romney's case, he may not like the idea of abortion for moral reasons, but he does understand the practicality for individual reasons. People who object to his more centrist views will proclaim loudly that he was not "right" enough, when in reality, he was possibly made out to be too "right" in both his religious and fiscal beliefs that the centrist/liberal voters got spooked. That and the fact he was just did not appear all that interesting as a candidate.

My take only, not intended as an excuse for the loss.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:44 PM

Silly Jesus: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.

Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?


So people who can't afford food should be allowed to starve to death? Got it.
 
2012-11-12 11:23:57 PM

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't want abortions? Then teach sex education and contraceptive use, along with easier access to contraceptives.

And knock it off with the religious shaming and shrieking about how evil, immoral, against God, etc the act of sex is. All of the opposition to sex, contraceptives, abortion, and education is religious-based, and they're afraid of losing their power and influence over people when those people view sex as normal and nothing to be ashamed of and engage in it intelligently and safely.

if we do that can we keep the shame-on-you-for-having-a-kid-you-can't-afford stuff?


If they didn't use their intelligence and the easily-available contraceptives, I suppose.
 
2012-11-12 11:27:28 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't want abortions? Then teach sex education and contraceptive use, along with easier access to contraceptives.

And knock it off with the religious shaming and shrieking about how evil, immoral, against God, etc the act of sex is. All of the opposition to sex, contraceptives, abortion, and education is religious-based, and they're afraid of losing their power and influence over people when those people view sex as normal and nothing to be ashamed of and engage in it intelligently and safely.

if we do that can we keep the shame-on-you-for-having-a-kid-you-can't-afford stuff?

If they didn't use their intelligence and the easily-available contraceptives, I suppose.


yippee!
 
2012-11-12 11:40:50 PM

nmemkha: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

The cost of an abortion is tiny compared to the cost of raising an unwanted child via social services (foster care, WIC, etc.). Why do Republicans fight so hard to allow kids to be born and yet do not want to offer assistance in raising the unplanned child?


Because Jeezus.
 
2012-11-12 11:47:24 PM

fusillade762: Silly Jesus: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.

Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?

So people who can't afford food should be allowed to starve to death? Got it.


That, or get a job.
 
2012-11-12 11:50:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: nmemkha: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

The cost of an abortion is tiny compared to the cost of raising an unwanted child via social services (foster care, WIC, etc.). Why do Republicans fight so hard to allow kids to be born and yet do not want to offer assistance in raising the unplanned child?

Because Jeezus.


Hypocrites is more like it. They will scream about evil that others do, but won't lift a finger to help children in need. They have spend billions fighting abortion and gay marriage; that money could have helped a lot people.

"They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." - Mathew 23:4
 
2012-11-12 11:55:52 PM

clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.


Keep playing that race card, you got nothing.
 
2012-11-13 12:02:44 AM

skullkrusher: Heraclitus: "Forgive me for noting that conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less."

Still too pithy by half


That's Carlin isn't it?
 
2012-11-13 12:04:23 AM

Elandriel: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

They do a shiatty wasteful job that other people do well so they are getting their funding cut. Total dollars to the projects are not being cut, Planned Parenthood just isn't getting a cut.

For once in your life take off your blinders and regard this for exactly what it is; punishing Planned Parenthood yet again for daring to offer a federally-protected service by cutting off necessary funding for other services. Ironically, these clinics don't even offer that service, just referrals. TFA specifically says none of this is supported by actual facts, and given the gauntlet of neanderthal reasons for cutting funding to PP that have originated in these red states, I think the onus of proof now falls on the agency that has decided to purposefully withhold aid to low-income families.

Here's a better article, anyway. Pretty much supports the "They're being douches" angle.


I tip my hat to you for having some semblance of an idea of wtf the boobies/weeners was talking about
 
2012-11-13 12:07:51 AM

fusillade762: Silly Jesus: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.

Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?

So people who can't afford food should be allowed to starve to death? Got it.


I agree with this first part. At some point Clinton had endorsed legislation that reduced subsides for the poor. There wasn't a whole lot of name calling or gnashing of teeth: people who were able to work simply went back to work. Those who didn't alowed us a brief realistic glance at who should and shouldn't have been on the roles.

Farkers have no problem railing out educators for handing out stars for to students for remembering to breath, often referring to this as enabling entitlement behavior. Exist and you get rewarded. For those with kids, you know that even your kids recognize a certain inequality in terms of rewarding everyone in lieu of the exceptional behavior of the few. How much of a stretch is it to recognize that giving unconditional support could not but create an entitled class of people - and by entitled, I mean with the expectation of support without any strings or returned responsibility?

I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs: by nature most people enjoy the pride of accomplishment and reward rather than the feeling of indeptitude that would accompany living off others- for those, I might add, who have not been conditioned to to point of entitlement.

I would not personally recommend the starving them out method however- people just don't sit and die of whatever life circumstance has put them where they are. Theytend to rise up and take shiat by any means necessary when they get really hungry. There would be no "just letting them die"
 
2012-11-13 12:09:18 AM

Silly Jesus: Coco LaFemme: A great way for me to judge how much concentrated derp is in a thread, is by how many posts disappear when I click on it. It says 109, I only see 35. That's a shiat-load of derp, right there.

Are you the person who comes into every thread and posts that same line or is that some other moron?


Are you the troll who ends every posting with a question? Why do trolls do that? Why?
 
2012-11-13 12:11:45 AM

Blue_Blazer: skullkrusher: Heraclitus: "Forgive me for noting that conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less."

Still too pithy by half

That's Carlin isn't it?


don't think so but it does sound like one of his bumper stickery WOOOOHOOOO... wait this doesn't really make any sense sort of things
 
2012-11-13 12:12:31 AM

Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Karac: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How did you get there?

Oklahoma is a republican minority controlled state.
Republicans Minorities have been on a bender of trying to defund Planned Parenthood because of abortion.
Republicans Minorites are not above lying to do so.*

How did subby get there? A better question is how did you NOT get there.

*We've substituted the word "republican" for the word "minorities". Les's see if anyone can see the difference...

Seriously though. This sort of post no worse then any of the other of the racist comments posted around here so let's get our little indignant motors fired up and start calling people out on this stuff when we see it. I like you, Silly Jesus but you're sometimes like that friend that's had one too many and doesn't know when to give it a rest. Persuasion, dude. Hearts and minds.

Great thread otherwise, guys. Seems like people are listening tonight instead of slinging mud everywhere.

Cheers.

Keep playing that race card, you got nothing.


best thing about the racecard is that it's a palindromed
 
2012-11-13 12:13:49 AM

clowncar on fire: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.

Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?

So people who can't afford food should be allowed to starve to death? Got it.

I agree with this first part. At some point Clinton had endorsed legislation that reduced subsides for the poor. There wasn't a whole lot of name calling or gnashing of teeth: people who were able to work simply went back to work. Those who didn't alowed us a brief realistic glance at who should and shouldn't have been on the roles.

Farkers have no problem railing out educators for handing out stars for to students for remembering to breath, often referring to this as enabling entitlement behavior. Exist and you get rewarded. For those with kids, you know that even your kids recognize a certain inequality in terms of rewarding everyone in lieu of the exceptional behavior of the few. How much of a stretch is it to recognize that giving unconditional support could not but create an entitled class of people - and by entitled, I mean with the expectation of support without any strings or returned responsibility?

I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs: by nature most people enjoy the pride of accomplishment and reward rather than the feeling of indeptitude that would accompany living off others- for those, I might add, who have not been conditioned to to point of entitlement.

I would not personally recommend the starving them out method however- people just don't sit and die of whatever life circumstance has put them where they are. Theytend to rise up and take shiat by any means necessary when they get really hungry. There would be no "just letting them die"


If you really want to see a significant decrease in this dependancy, you have to make jobs worth it. If I can get $600 in benefits or go work for Papa John less than 30 hours a week and make like $750 a month, what is the damn point?

Double the minimum wage, I bet that would give some people incentive to work a shiatty job.
 
2012-11-13 12:14:41 AM

clowncar on fire: How much of a stretch is it to recognize that giving unconditional support could not but create an entitled class of people - and by entitled, I mean with the expectation of support without any strings or returned responsibility?


It's just that those people don't exist. The non-disabled are primarily these:

clowncar on fire: I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs


So your big problem has already been solved and you're merely fighting the phantoms conjured by Fox News and the right wing.
 
2012-11-13 12:14:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: Because Jeezus.


Funny thing about that. In Jesus' day abortion was not only a well known and well established thing, it was allowed under Jewish law in certain cases. And Jesus thus would've known very well about abortion. Yet he said not a word against it. So the only valid inference is that he had no problem with the law as it pertained to abortion. Indeed the historical record shows it took a couple centuries for Christians to really come down hard on abortion. And even then there was centuries more of bickering on it here and there. Oh and there's no Biblical basis for opposing abortion either.
 
2012-11-13 12:15:27 AM

clowncar on fire: I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs: by nature most people enjoy the pride of accomplishment and reward rather than the feeling of indeptitude that would accompany living off others- for those, I might add, who have not been conditioned to to point of entitlement.

I would not personally recommend the starving them out method however- people just don't sit and die of whatever life circumstance has put them where they are. Theytend to rise up and take shiat by any means necessary when they get really hungry. There would be no "just letting them die"


Both of these. People would love to work, and probably prefer it. One of the infuriating things about welfare and general relief assistance isn't that it's "free money" but that it gets cut so drastically when people do return to work, and so fast. A single person gets about $600 per month on GR...but they can only make $200 per month above that. Anything more, and they lose about half their assistance IMMEDIATELY. So what incentive does a person on GR have to find a job? If you were making $800 a month, and knew if you got a job that paid you $400 a month your net income would DROP...why would you ever want to find a better job? Of course, you wouldn't. You'd stay at the same crappy $200/mo job and take your GR and hope someday you'd find that $1500/mo job that would let you get off relief without dying.

But if welfare was summarily cut off tomorrow for everyone--yeah, you'd see some heavy-duty looting and stealing. "Qu'ils mangent la brioche" didn't work too well the first time, either.
 
2012-11-13 12:16:22 AM
"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." -George Carlin
 
2012-11-13 12:22:18 AM

Dr. Farkenstein: The submitter of this thread and whoever approved it deserve each other.

/in bed
//legitimate rape
///slashie funding


The person who submitted it, approved it, and shat all over it are all the same person. That's why he gets three links approved a day- he's doing it himself.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:09 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: People need to understand abortion is now a political issue not a moral question. Don't believe me? Here is a quote from the Republican party platform.

Through Obamacare, the current Administration has promoted the notion of abortion as healthcare. We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it.

It's not a moral question, it's a political issue and a tool to divide people.

If you wish to discuss morals, let's talk about using abortion as a political tool to try--unsuccessfully--to win political office. I can assure you, as the Republican party is the party of Lincoln, if the Republicans could win the POTUS without banning any abortion they would do it, and if they could win it by banning all abortions they would do it; and if they could win it by banning some and leaving other abortions alone they would also do that.


Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?
 
2012-11-13 12:37:46 AM

reklamfox: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: People need to understand abortion is now a political issue not a moral question. Don't believe me? Here is a quote from the Republican party platform.

Through Obamacare, the current Administration has promoted the notion of abortion as healthcare. We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it.

It's not a moral question, it's a political issue and a tool to divide people.

If you wish to discuss morals, let's talk about using abortion as a political tool to try--unsuccessfully--to win political office. I can assure you, as the Republican party is the party of Lincoln, if the Republicans could win the POTUS without banning any abortion they would do it, and if they could win it by banning all abortions they would do it; and if they could win it by banning some and leaving other abortions alone they would also do that.

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?


Don't blame me. I voted for Fartkango.
 
2012-11-13 12:42:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs: by nature most people enjoy the pride of accomplishment and reward rather than the feeling of indeptitude that would accompany living off others- for those, I might add, who have not been conditioned to to point of entitlement.

I would not personally recommend the starving them out method however- people just don't sit and die of whatever life circumstance has put them where they are. Theytend to rise up and take shiat by any means necessary when they get really hungry. There would be no "just letting them die"

Both of these. People would love to work, and probably prefer it. One of the infuriating things about welfare and general relief assistance isn't that it's "free money" but that it gets cut so drastically when people do return to work, and so fast. A single person gets about $600 per month on GR...but they can only make $200 per month above that. Anything more, and they lose about half their assistance IMMEDIATELY. So what incentive does a person on GR have to find a job? If you were making $800 a month, and knew if you got a job that paid you $400 a month your net income would DROP...why would you ever want to find a better job? Of course, you wouldn't. You'd stay at the same crappy $200/mo job and take your GR and hope someday you'd find that $1500/mo job that would let you get off relief without dying.

But if welfare was summarily cut off tomorrow for everyone--yeah, you'd see some heavy-duty looting and stealing. "Qu'ils mangent la brioche" didn't work too well the first time, either.


I know first hand of the difference in low wage earnings vs entitlement earnings, that's why i purpose a partial subsidy. A simplistic example of this would be; if you receive $100 a week in benefits but only could earn $70 a week on a payroll, the subsidy offered will be an additional $50. See what I did there? In addition to your original earnings of $100, you are receiving an extra $20 on top of that as an incentive to remain working. Oh, and it only cost me 50% of my original subsidy. Obviously there are other variables such as payroll taxes (probably recommend a minimum, just doing your share tax payed only by those who qualify as 'working poor" as opposed to additional income), but the general idea is there.
 
2012-11-13 01:37:52 AM
Jesus Christ what's wrong with this thread? I've got 42 posts visible of 159.
 
2012-11-13 01:51:08 AM

jesdynf: Jesus Christ what's wrong with this thread? I've got 42 posts visible of 159.


If you ignored clowncar on fire then you lost about 35% of them right there.

If that troll is anything, its prolific.
 
2012-11-13 02:12:54 AM
This is the same state that recently closed down DHS so they didn't have to impliment changes in the system. Ok DHS lost a lawsuit with a children's protection group to change the current system after several children DIED under DHS's care. So, if they close down the agentcy, they don't have to spend the money to fix it the way they were court-ordered to. They open it up under a diffrent name and, "poof", no more problems. They also lost several court cases against workers who either beat and abused children, suppressed evidence that lead to a child's death, or allowed systematic child abuse to occor, sometimes for years at a time. But we are the "best state for the unborn" according to our govenor. Too bad it's on top of the list of worst place for a child to grow up.
 
2012-11-13 02:19:46 AM

jso2897: No Water, No Moon

When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.

At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!

In commemoration, she wrote a poem:

In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about
to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!



minesworn.com
 
2012-11-13 02:32:53 AM

Silly Jesus: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Silly Jesus: "They won't let us give people free shiat, WAAAAAH!"

Well, yes. Hungry babies and young children do, indeed, cry. Quite often, actually.

ZING! It's just like middle school again.


Don't knock middle school. It was the best 8 years of your life.
 
2012-11-13 02:36:05 AM
Subby throws the word rape around very carelessly.
 
2012-11-13 03:03:18 AM

clowncar on fire: Theytend to rise up and take shiat by any means necessary when they get really hungry. There would be no "just letting them die"


I was going to point this out. You would just end up with a bunch of people in jail for breaking the law to feed themselves. Then you'd have to pay to feed and house them. It's counterproductive as well as immoral.

But I'm through trying to engage with Silly. Next stop Plonksville. Again.
 
2012-11-13 03:12:53 AM

Nobodyn0se: Ed Grubermann: Nobodyn0se: I'm wondering why that is.

Because people pay attention to him. Just like any other troll. He's here for the attention and he's found a pretty good schtick, all things considered.

I'm not a troll and I still get people to pay attention to me. If I can do it, why can't he?


Because you are not an asshole.
 
2012-11-13 04:21:35 AM
And let's not forget the DHS worker who beat a child to death and got a $5000 fine. Does anyone think for one moment republicans care about a single postborn person? When it comes to cutting the budget, it's always women and children first. We rate some of the poorest schools in the nation, and one of the lowest taxes on oil producers. We continue to fight treaties with native americans on everything from water rights, tobacco taxes, and land, and our capital building and roads are falling apart. Look in wonder at a truly republican state.
 
2012-11-13 06:16:34 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Silly Jesus: Coco LaFemme: A great way for me to judge how much concentrated derp is in a thread, is by how many posts disappear when I click on it. It says 109, I only see 35. That's a shiat-load of derp, right there.

Are you the person who comes into every thread and posts that same line or is that some other moron?

Are you the troll who ends every posting with a question? Why do trolls do that? Why?


You have something against the Socratic method?
 
2012-11-13 06:18:21 AM

Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: fusillade762: Silly Jesus: Taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize those who would terminate children or those who encourage it.

Terminating them with poverty and starvation is A-OK, though.

Hunger is a heck of a motivating factor in getting a job. A check in the mailbox each month isn't. If they choose suicide through laziness / learned helplessness, so be it. We're better off without them. What exactly is society gaining by subsidizing their existence?

So people who can't afford food should be allowed to starve to death? Got it.

I agree with this first part. At some point Clinton had endorsed legislation that reduced subsides for the poor. There wasn't a whole lot of name calling or gnashing of teeth: people who were able to work simply went back to work. Those who didn't alowed us a brief realistic glance at who should and shouldn't have been on the roles.

Farkers have no problem railing out educators for handing out stars for to students for remembering to breath, often referring to this as enabling entitlement behavior. Exist and you get rewarded. For those with kids, you know that even your kids recognize a certain inequality in terms of rewarding everyone in lieu of the exceptional behavior of the few. How much of a stretch is it to recognize that giving unconditional support could not but create an entitled class of people - and by entitled, I mean with the expectation of support without any strings or returned responsibility?

I do believe that there are a good sized segmant of the poor that would work if partially subsidized for the shortfall they would expirience by accepting low waged jobs: by nature most people enjoy the pride of accomplishment and reward rather than the feeling of indeptitude that would accompany living off others- for those, I might add, who have not been conditioned to to point of entitlement.

I would not personally recommend the starving them out method however- people just ...


Econ 101, how does it work?

You do realize that there are a hell of a lot of jobs that wouldn't exist if the wages were doubled, don't you? How big do you think margins are? What unicorn do you think delivers the money?

Such naivete is scary / sad.
 
2012-11-13 06:47:11 AM

Silly Jesus: What unicorn do you think delivers the money?


It's the same unicorn that delivers to you your belief that money has intrinsic value.
 
2012-11-13 07:13:08 AM
I finally put the Silly thing on ignore... and this thread size halved.

:-|
 
2012-11-13 07:48:31 AM

JolobinSmokin: I live on tulsa.


Nice to see you accept it's another planet
 
2012-11-13 08:41:23 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: How can Oklahoma prevent Planned Parenthood from getting federal funding?


they can do what texas did. pass a law that essentially cuts off state funding to planned parenthood, which in turn violates the terms of the federal funding for the entire state, and viola! for added measure blame the federal government and regulators for cutting off your states $5 billion healthcare funding.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:40 AM

WhyteRaven74: Funny thing about that. In Jesus' day abortion was not only a well known and well established thing, it was allowed under Jewish law in certain cases. And Jesus thus would've known very well about abortion.


Holy crap -really?

Can you offer some links for this? My phone is poopie when it comes to searches.
 
2012-11-13 09:33:02 AM

Silly Jesus: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Silly Jesus: Coco LaFemme: A great way for me to judge how much concentrated derp is in a thread, is by how many posts disappear when I click on it. It says 109, I only see 35. That's a shiat-load of derp, right there.

Are you the person who comes into every thread and posts that same line or is that some other moron?

Are you the troll who ends every posting with a question? Why do trolls do that? Why?

You have something against the Socratic method?


Why do you ask?
 
2012-11-14 10:10:35 PM
[tiny kitten walks in from N-space, spits starship-hull-eating xenomorph acid EVERYWHERE, turns, walks out unharmed]
 
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