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(The Daily Dolt)   Hey guys, you think maybe we should change our crazy talk on rape and immigration so we don't lose the next election? Nahhhh, let's just gerrymander the electoral vote in Ohio instead   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 91
    More: Obvious, gerrymandering, Ohio, GOP, Jon Husted, Ohio Secretary of State, provisional ballot  
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2012-11-12 10:47:13 AM  
If you have to rig the election to win, maybe your ideas aren't working.
 
2012-11-12 10:52:34 AM  

LRA61380: If you have to rig the election to win, maybe your ideas aren't working.


Even if he rigged it, Romney would've still lost this one.
 
2012-11-12 11:04:20 AM  
I hope this guy falls off a roller coaster and breaks every bone in his body.

I'm just saying, it could happen.
 
2012-11-12 11:07:58 AM  

Elandriel: I hope this guy falls off a roller coaster and breaks every bone in his body.

I'm just saying, it could happen.


How convenient. Ohio happens to have one of the tallest/fastest roller coasters in the world. Viva la Cedar Point!!!
 
2012-11-12 11:56:05 AM  
Perhaps we should stop talking about rape as anything other than a totally horrific crime against innocent victims?

Naw, c'mon guys! biatch was asking for it. Always.
 
2012-11-12 12:01:35 PM  
I am so confused.
Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?
These people are the most anti-american people we have ever seen.
 
2012-11-12 12:02:17 PM  

RexTalionis: LRA61380: If you have to rig the election to win, maybe your ideas aren't working.

Even if he rigged it, Romney would've still lost this one.


Click through, and you see someone calculated that if every state did this, Willard Mittens would have had exactly 270. Of course, that doesn't take into account how the campaign strategies would have changed.
 
2012-11-12 12:10:40 PM  

namatad: Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?


Because Socialism!
 
2012-11-12 12:26:23 PM  

namatad:
Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?
.


They have to kill it to save it.
 
2012-11-12 12:36:29 PM  

namatad: Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?


Because this country isn't a democracy, it's a republic?
 
2012-11-12 12:46:37 PM  
Limbaugh today was making a big point that the Republican's better not ease up on amnesty or try to appeal to latinos. His argument was basically that HE wouldn't allow them to do it, and you know the media would pay attention to what he has to say and thereby derail any attempts by the party as a whole to move those directions.
 
2012-11-12 12:49:27 PM  
Any "real" Republicans want to help us "dumb libs" understand why they have to cheat so much to win elections?

No?

Thought so.

/kill yourselves and do America a favor you shiatbags
 
2012-11-12 12:50:20 PM  

namatad: I am so confused.
Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?
These people are the most anti-american people we have ever seen.


Sometimes you have to go to extreme measures to keep the one you love. Follow her around, make sure she's not lying about working late, a slap or two when she talks back, make her dump her friends...
 
2012-11-12 12:54:11 PM  
this is total BS. Its aparthied type thinking. What gets states their representatives is population. If you're going to do this, district per population, split the cities into many districts, eliminate some rural ones that don't meet population requirements. Tyranny of the minority.
 
2012-11-12 12:54:20 PM  
So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.
 
2012-11-12 12:55:27 PM  
What would be the process for actually doing that? Ballot measure? Simple majority in the state house? 2/3 majority in the state house? State amendment?

/don't actually care enough to look it up
 
2012-11-12 12:56:04 PM  

CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.


I don't think there's a lot of money to be made talking about being reasonable and compromising with the opposition party. As you noted, certainly not from the sources that FARK usually greenlights.
 
2012-11-12 12:56:31 PM  
Personally, I think they should just double down with their rape "facts"

ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com
 
2012-11-12 12:58:01 PM  

LarryDan43: namatad: I am so confused.
Why does the GOP hate this country and hate democracy so much?
These people are the most anti-american people we have ever seen.

Sometimes you have to go to extreme measures to keep the one you love. Follow her around, make sure she's not lying about working late, a slap or two when she talks back, make her dump her friends...


They really are acting like abusive ex-boyfriend after the woman's gotten a restraining order on them, trying to force ever more control. If they can't have her, no one can.
 
2012-11-12 12:58:39 PM  

theknuckler_33: What would be the process for actually doing that? Ballot measure? Simple majority in the state house? 2/3 majority in the state house? State amendment?

/don't actually care enough to look it up


Constitutional amendment. It would never pass.
 
2012-11-12 12:58:46 PM  
What is really depressing is how good of an example Ohio is at showing that librul-ism is centered around the centers of learning and population, while the hard conservativism is in the rural, small town areas.
 
2012-11-12 12:59:39 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Personally, I think they should just double down with their rape "facts"

[ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 615x232]


I do like that image, but Paul Ryan hasn't gone away. We'll still get to hear him from the House.
 
2012-11-12 12:59:40 PM  

LRA61380: If you have to rig the election to win, maybe your ideas aren't working.


I don't think they want more people voting or included in the process. They like their ideas fine. They'd rather not bother with the whole 'everyone can vote' issue they keep running into.
 
2012-11-12 01:00:16 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Personally, I think they should just double down with their rape "facts"

[ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 615x232]


Sadly, Paul Ryan kept his house seat.
 
2012-11-12 01:02:34 PM  

CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.


They are stuck in a negative feedback loop.
1) People leave party for various reasons.
2) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
3) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
4) These candidates state positions which placate most of their constiuency, but which turns off some small percentage of their constiuency.
5) Party shrinks a little
6) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
7) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
8) yada yada yada

It's like the problem anime has in Japan. They are relying more and more on a shrinking, rabid base to buy their merchandise.
 
2012-11-12 01:03:05 PM  

CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.


Derp can only be doubled and follows that exponential progression until it reaches a derp singularity or derpularity. At such time the entire Republican party implodes. If the party still remains after a derp doubling it will be doubled again.
 
2012-11-12 01:04:23 PM  

Speaker2Animals: RexTalionis: LRA61380: If you have to rig the election to win, maybe your ideas aren't working.

Even if he rigged it, Romney would've still lost this one.

Click through, and you see someone calculated that if every state did this, Willard Mittens would have had exactly 270. Of course, that doesn't take into account how the campaign strategies would have changed.


So what they're saying is that even if they retroactively changed the rules to most favor their candidate he'd still end tied with the most evil man to ever run for office?
 
2012-11-12 01:05:16 PM  

Famous Thamas: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Personally, I think they should just double down with their rape "facts"

[ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 615x232]

I do like that image, but Paul Ryan hasn't gone away. We'll still get to hear him from the House.


Good point. Apparently whoever made that versions was looking to boost the numbers a bit.

pictat.com
 
2012-11-12 01:07:16 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: They are stuck in a negative feedback loop.
1) People leave party for various reasons.
2) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
3) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
4) These candidates state positions which placate most of their constiuency, but which turns off some small percentage of their constiuency.
5) Party shrinks a little
6) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
7) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
8) yada yada yada

It's like the problem anime has in Japan. They are relying more and more on a shrinking, rabid base to buy their merchandise.


I'm sure we all look forward to the day when conservatives figure out how to torrent their ideology for free, leaving the likes of talk radio and foxnews deprived of ad revenue.
 
2012-11-12 01:07:19 PM  
An unintended side-effect of Ohio doing this would be the fact that no one would ever campaign for President in Ohio ever again.

Why bother, if there are next to zero EVs to gain?

Idiots.
 
2012-11-12 01:09:03 PM  

theknuckler_33: What would be the process for actually doing that? Ballot measure? Simple majority in the state house? 2/3 majority in the state house? State amendment?

/don't actually care enough to look it up


I couldn't actually figure out if an amendment to their constitution would be required. I'd think so, but it's hard to say (at least for a lazy person like myself).

Assuming one would be required, they'd have to get a ton of signatures, an amount equal to 10% of the last governors election and spread throughout the state to get that on the ballot. Alternatively they could do it with 3/5s of the vote in each house of the legislature.

Neither seems likely. Especially since, as far as I can tell, it would immediately make it so no Presidential nominee ever gives a fark about Ohio ever again, since the # of electoral votes in the balance would be so low.
 
2012-11-12 01:11:32 PM  
If I was out and saw Husted battered and broken along the road an pleading for help... I would consider stopping.

Only to duct tape his mouth so he couldn't call for help anymore.

That's only a consideration mind you. I might just keep driving.
 
2012-11-12 01:11:45 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.

They are stuck in a negative feedback loop.
1) People leave party for various reasons.
2) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
3) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
4) These candidates state positions which placate most of their constiuency, but which turns off some small percentage of their constiuency.
5) Party shrinks a little
6) Remaining party is ideologically "purer".
7) Party votes the purer candidates in primaries.
8) yada yada yada

It's like the problem anime has in Japan. They are relying more and more on a shrinking, rabid base to buy their merchandise.


That's a positive feedback loop. A negative feedback loop pushes in the opposite direction of which the output is moving.
 
2012-11-12 01:12:26 PM  

bmongar: CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.

Derp can only be doubled and follows that exponential progression until it reaches a derp singularity or derpularity. At such time the entire Republican party implodes. If the party still remains after a derp doubling it will be doubled again.


But what if that derpularity is a wormhole that leads to an uninhabited universe. Within such a space the derp could grow and expand like a cancer, spreading to a vast and unimaginable size. And then, as the derp density continues to increase beyond reason on their side, it would inevitably push it's way back out into our universe!
 
2012-11-12 01:12:57 PM  
I don't get it. Does losing 320 - 218 have a better ring to it?
 
2012-11-12 01:13:27 PM  

bmongar: CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.

Derp can only be doubled and follows that exponential progression until it reaches a derp singularity or derpularity. At such time the entire Republican party implodes.


So.... the Derpocalypse?
 
2012-11-12 01:18:52 PM  

RexTalionis: Even if

after he rigged it, Romney would've still lost this one.

Edited for accuracy. How many states made it harder for Democratic groups to vote? Plus, FL is always moronic, PA's majority leader explicitly stated that new voter laws allow Romney to win the state, and OH's Sec of State is cartoonishly villainous.
 
2012-11-12 01:22:23 PM  

CanuckInCA: So I'm legitimately curious if there's been any serious discussion at all on the republican side as to the causes of this loss. Everything I see is just doubling down on derp, but there has to be a few people within the party capable of introspection. I'm hoping that this is just Fark's bias toward greenlighting derp and not the actual situation that we're in: where the republican party is completely incapable of or unwilling to do any sort of introspection.


There was an article posted here yesterday about how Asian-Americans, despite valuing everything that Republicans claim to value more than typical Republican voters (i.e.: higher marriage rates, less unemployment, less people on welfare, more educated, less criminal activity, etc), still overwhelmingly vote Democrat. In the comments from the article, instead of revisiting the party's anti-science stances and the fact that they actively court bigots, the commenters instead cited this as proof of how effective academia is at brainwashing our nation.

Brilliant.
 
2012-11-12 01:23:46 PM  
They...they never stop, do they?
 
2012-11-12 01:25:31 PM  
Has anyone pointed out to him under that system I think Bush II would have lost.
 
2012-11-12 01:27:08 PM  

ShawnDoc: Limbaugh today was making a big point that the Republican's better not ease up on amnesty or try to appeal to latinos. His argument was basically that HE wouldn't allow them to do it, and you know the media would pay attention to what he has to say and thereby derail any attempts by the party as a whole to move those directions.


He's taking the GOP hostage? Who'll pay for the ransom?.

... Anyone?... Hello?.
 
2012-11-12 01:27:15 PM  
Reminds me of the last time Republicans gerryrigged Ohio, which they did because they couldn't defeat this guy:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-12 01:31:07 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Plus, FL is always moronic


FL is only as moronic as their governor. They did a pretty good job in 2004 and 2008 while Crist was in charge
 
2012-11-12 01:36:59 PM  

Speaker2Animals: theknuckler_33: What would be the process for actually doing that? Ballot measure? Simple majority in the state house? 2/3 majority in the state house? State amendment?

/don't actually care enough to look it up

Constitutional amendment. It would never pass.


States can apportion their electoral votes however they want. Nothing in the Constitution requires them to do it a certain way.

In 2000, Florida's legislature was close to choosing the electors themselves to keep Gore from winning.

Link

The Republican-dominated Florida Legislature is edging closer to choosing the state's 25 delegates to the Electoral College, an unprecedented move drenched in political risks and alliances.

A GOP-leaning committee of state lawmakers is scheduled to decide Thursday whether to recommend a special session, in which the Legislature could choose a slate of electors for Republican George W. Bush. That would attempt to remove any questions about Florida's electors from the courts, where Democrat Al Gore is hoping recounts in three counties might erase Bush's 537-vote lead in certified results.
 
2012-11-12 01:43:31 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: RexTalionis: Even if after he rigged it, Romney would've still lost this one.

Edited for accuracy. How many states made it harder for Democratic groups to vote? Plus, FL is always moronic, PA's majority leader explicitly stated that new voter laws allow Romney to win the state, and OH's Sec of State is cartoonishly villainous.


Bears repeating.
 
2012-11-12 01:43:38 PM  

balki1867: There was an article posted here yesterday about how Asian-Americans, despite valuing everything that Republicans claim to value more than typical Republican voters (i.e.: higher marriage rates, less unemployment, less people on welfare, more educated, less criminal activity, etc), still overwhelmingly vote Democrat. In the comments from the article, instead of revisiting the party's anti-science stances and the fact that they actively court bigots, the commenters instead cited this as proof of how effective academia is at brainwashing our nation.

Brilliant.


But... but this campaign flyer they mailed me depicted Mitt as being more squinty eyed and pigmented than me! Mitt Romney is more Asian than I am!

i.imgur.com

Should I expect something like this for the 2014 midterms?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-12 01:44:39 PM  
I suggested this yesterday. Glad to see the GOP is catching up to me.

here's the thing about this "rape" nonsense: The number one, most common fantasy women have, is being raped. It can't be that big of a deal if women are going out and buying "50 Shades of Gray" and stocking up on C-cell batteries.

Unless this is just another example of women showing they reach peak emotional maturity at 14 and fail to progress any further as they age.
 
2012-11-12 01:44:45 PM  
They gerrymandered the hell out of WNC in 2011...

In 2010, Heath Schuyler (D) beat Jeff Miller (R) by over 20,000 votes for the 11th Congressional district. In response, the R's created the "pink peninsula plan", sticking half of Asheville in the 10th district. Previously, the 10th district was just the area around Charlotte (which is a 2-hour drive from Asheville).

The net result? The 11th district lost 9,000 Democrats and gained 26,000 Republicans. The city of Asheville is LITERALLY half in district 10, half in district 11. All of the lost D's went to 10, which was already predominately D because of Charlotte. Almost all of the new R's came FROM 10, essentially guaranteeing that district 11 would go red in the next election, while district 10 would stay blue.

It actually used to be a close fight in 11, but not anymore.
 
2012-11-12 01:47:46 PM  
Damn auto correct... Heath Schuler., not Schuyler.
 
2012-11-12 01:48:19 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: States can apportion their electoral votes however they want. Nothing in the Constitution requires them to do it a certain way.


And we have about 5 states that have laws on the books that would allocate their EVs to the winner of the national count once there is enough states that have this.
 
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