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2012-11-12 12:44:03 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why are people shiatting their parents over the election? Obama has done a decent job so far, what's all the panic about another term?


Because cheap, easy access to heathcare, regulating banks, and paying higher taxes makes Jesus cry. You know, the guy who healed the sick, kicked the asses of the moneylenders, and said "Yield unto Caesar what is Caesar's"

Ironic, isn't it.
 
2012-11-12 12:44:17 PM  
It's a flag, in Florida, upside down, on private property. Something, something, personal freedom, something something, despite being an attention whore, something, something. Nothing to see here, move along....LOOK BOOBIES!!!
 
2012-11-12 12:45:43 PM  

Stone Meadow: DrPainMD: As if the country would be in any less distress if Romney had won. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

There is in whom each would pick for the Supreme Court, which is where much of a president's real legacy is made.


One would appoint right leaning moderates. The other would appoint right leaning moderates. Oh God the horror.
 
2012-11-12 12:46:07 PM  
7.5 years service? What was the reason for his early discharge? That could explain a lot.
 
2012-11-12 12:50:31 PM  
"I realized people are doing this in protest and I just can't believe that on Veterans Day you would be so petty as to fly your flag upside down" says Mike Walter

Douchebag, that's eactly why we fought, and continue to fight, those damn wars. It's not petty, it's a Constitutionally protected right that men and women have died to defend.

Freedom and liberty is not pretty, free or convenient, but it beats hell out of the alternative.
 
2012-11-12 12:51:34 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Stone Meadow: DrPainMD: As if the country would be in any less distress if Romney had won. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

There is in whom each would pick for the Supreme Court, which is where much of a president's real legacy is made.

One would appoint right leaning moderates. The other would appoint right leaning moderates. Oh God the horror.


Are you always this self delusional?
 
2012-11-12 12:52:45 PM  
Guys, GUYS, I know what it is, he's not actually all upset and butthurt over the election, he just moved back here from Australia.
 
2012-11-12 12:56:13 PM  
this isn't disrespectful to veterans. It is stupid, however.
 
2012-11-12 01:01:48 PM  
People need to relax. The guy is allowed to express his feelings about the election. This story really merits an entry on FARK?

btw - You're giving him attention, which is exactly what he wanted.
 
2012-11-12 01:01:59 PM  
Dunno why but this brought to mind episode of All In The Family where someone had painted a swastika on Archie Bunker's front door, which I now will watch. So, thanks, randomness!
 
2012-11-12 01:04:05 PM  

doubled99: Yes, of course it's his right to fly it that way.
I'm sure the comments here will be just the same as when someone wants to fly a Confederate flag.


Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: shiatting their parents


Uhm.....
 
2012-11-12 01:04:09 PM  

advex101: He served for 7.5 years, his neighbor served for 26.


Which does not diminish his service. I am with Mike on this, with this action being petty, but he earned a little pettiness.

The WindowLicker: Our country is not in distress, our country just showed that we can still hold to our ideals in the face of some determined efforts to undermine them.


Do not disagree with you at all. I disagree with the notion this man is a troll or worthy of more than a shrug. Is "distress" hyperbolic? Of course, but he isn't doomsaying to the extent millions of others, including many in political office, are.

The My Little Pony Killer: I don't get when "freedom of speech" turned into "freedom from consequences" for so many people.


Just do not see what the consequences would be for him other than vocal disagreement from us. He would barely be worth an "Oh well" as I drove passed, certainly not a news article. Perhaps I have simply become desensitized to quieter complaints over the last four years.
 
2012-11-12 01:07:43 PM  

Stone Meadow: Holocaust Agnostic: Stone Meadow: DrPainMD: As if the country would be in any less distress if Romney had won. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

There is in whom each would pick for the Supreme Court, which is where much of a president's real legacy is made.

One would appoint right leaning moderates. The other would appoint right leaning moderates. Oh God the horror.

Are you always this self delusional?


How the heck would I know?
 
2012-11-12 01:09:19 PM  

wambu: "I realized people are doing this in protest and I just can't believe that on Veterans Day you would be so petty as to fly your flag upside down" says Mike Walter

Douchebag, that's eactly why we fought, and continue to fight, those damn wars. It's not petty, it's a Constitutionally protected right that men and women have died to defend.

Freedom and liberty is not pretty, free or convenient, but it beats hell out of the alternative.


I really don't understand why flying the flag upside down is somehow disrespectful to Veterans. It's obviously a jab at Obama and his supporters, but Veterans?

Quit being victims.
 
2012-11-12 01:10:06 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: hooters international swimsuit pictures - MOTHER OF GOD!


Wait, what? I thought this thread was about- oh, who cares.
 
2012-11-12 01:10:25 PM  
I knew this guy would be Navy. I just knew it.

Thanks for serving, thanks even more for getting out.
 
2012-11-12 01:10:27 PM  
By violating Chapter 1, Title 4 of the United States Code (a Federal law) and the Supreme Court's ruling on the law, he is only proving his own idiocy.

Guy violates federal law to complain about our freedoms being taken away.

Supreme Court already ruled that enforcement of the law is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

Guy is a farking moron.
 
2012-11-12 01:10:30 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?


janedoerecovery.com

nope
 
2012-11-12 01:12:02 PM  
More people should do things of this nature so the idiots stand out from the crowd. I have the feeling that if this guy considers his current situation to be distress, his time in the Navy was rather uneventful.
 
2012-11-12 01:12:18 PM  

skullkrusher: Pants full of macaroni!!: Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?

[janedoerecovery.com image 300x204]

nope


Beautiful
 
2012-11-12 01:12:22 PM  

Mutiny32: By violating Chapter 1, Title 4 of the United States Code (a Federal law) and the Supreme Court's ruling on the law, he is only proving his own idiocy.

Guy violates federal law to complain about our freedoms being taken away.

Supreme Court already ruled that enforcement of the law is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

Guy is a farking moron.


I has a confused
 
2012-11-12 01:19:51 PM  

henryhill


More people should do things of this nature so the idiots stand out from the crowd. I have the feeling that if this guy considers his current situation to be distress, his time in the Navy was rather uneventful.


Or he was kicked out of the Navy for being a dumbass and now has an axe to grind against the government.

He said he was in for 7.5 years. Enlistments are normally in increments of 4 years, so the fact that he got out six months early is a little odd.
 
2012-11-12 01:20:29 PM  
Either you support our president or you support Al-Qaeda its that simple farker.
 
2012-11-12 01:25:38 PM  

ShamWowofDamocles: FTA:

"It's very disturbing... you know 26 years in the Navy, current Navy guy and I thought it was an accident," says Mike Walter, who lives down the street from Hoezel. "Then I did a little research and I realized people are doing this in protest and I just can't believe that on Veterans Day you would be so petty as to fly your flag upside down."

This^

The guy is 100% entitled to fly it upside down and I'll share my opinion of being disappointed with the timing and method of his dissent.

Next issue...


I tend to agree. People getting so outraged over this need to calm down. It seems to be the equivalent of HOA harpies getting riled up over the wrong color shutters.

It's this guys opinion. Clearly, his opinion does not matter. Getting butthurt over it is giving him exactly what he wants. He's the Westboro Church of the flag flying world.
 
2012-11-12 01:29:26 PM  
A guy down the street from me has his flag upside down. I thought maybe it was a mistake, but it's been like that for a while now and he's been in and out of the house. Guess he's protesting. I got over it.
 
2012-11-12 01:29:57 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 384x480]

I think the look on her face says it all.


Awww man, I ever made a screen shot. Guess that's what happens when you're 5 hours behind most farkers.
 
2012-11-12 01:45:57 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Nightsweat: AverageAmericanGuy: This country is in trouble. It's been in trouble for over a decade now.

The Mexican drug war is banging on our front gates and seems ready to spill into the southern states.



LA TImes had an article that there was an expectation that the vote legalizing pot in two states last Tuesday would cut billions off the Mexican cartels profits since suppliers would probably turn to semi-legal pot from the States rather than risk crossing the border. They thought it could cut billions off the cartels' bottom line.

There are a couple problems with that. First being that marijuana is still illegal at the Federal level, so there isn't any legal interstate commerce allowing it to be imported from WA or CO. Second, the users aren't only living in WA and CO. The number of users living outside those two states far outnumber those two. Third, even if the supply from WA and CO were sufficient to fulfill the demand throughout the country, the very fact that the producers were legal and subject to licensing means that they would be loath to jump back into the gray zone by distributing across state lines.

Now, there might be smuggling to bring American-grown pot to the rest of the states, but now we're talking about competing with the Mexican drug cartels for marketshare, and if the past decade has shown us anything it's that they take competition very seriously.

I just don't see the problem of Mexican drugs going away or even being mitigated in states that don't have decriminalization.


Mexican drug cartels won't go away with the legalization of Marijuana. However, it will severely cut into their profits, making them far less able to continue their choke-hold on Mexican politicians, police, and the populace. It will also make them far easier to deal with at the boarder.

As far as US pot being able to compete with Mexico, you bet it will. When was the last time you were stopped at a state/state border? It will be dangerous to transport drugs out of CO and WA, yes, but must less dangerous than getting them into the US via Mexico. The quality control will also be FAR superior. Meaning, buyer won't need to purchase as much because THC levels will be better, and they will be able to purchase less, which translates into transporting less, which makes the prices go down. Also, more people will be flocking to WA and CO for vacation for the purpose of being able to legally use Marijuana...because why not?

and if I remember correctly, in CO every resident will be able to grow 6 plants in their homes. the roughly 5k federal agents throughout the US will not be going door to door to bust people federally for growing plants. And they won't be getting help from the state agencies either. That would be a direct violation of the law that was passed.

If things go right, this is the beginning of the end for the drug war, and the beginning of a far more peaceful and financially stable American society. Hopefully.
 
2012-11-12 01:50:33 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Stone Meadow:
Are you always this self delusional?

How the heck would I know?

 

Win!
 
2012-11-12 01:52:13 PM  

skullkrusher: Pants full of macaroni!!: Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?

[janedoerecovery.com image 300x204]

nope


I lol'd.
 
2012-11-12 01:53:46 PM  

advex101: Vangor: Whatever. He is upset about the election and is not hurting the flag at all. Plus, he served for many years. He is entitled to this though I disagree with his position and his expression.

He served for 7.5 years, his neighbor served for 26.


Thankfully his right to free speech is not dependant on length of service or his service at all. We ALL have the right to say what we want as long as it is not explicit threats.

/disagree with him but he has every right to derp away
//his neighbors do too
/// but really I'mtired of hearing about how the world is now going to end since Obama won maybe we could all just STFU
 
2012-11-12 01:58:54 PM  

HartRend: Our country can't even afford to service the interest on our debt.
You are an ignorant, disconnected, useless waste of skin of you don't comprehend that the U.S. is in more "distress" now than ever before.
He is justified in his configuration of the flag, as we are collectively in distress, and if you don't realize this you are part of the collective denial.


Hey, the U.S. was in debt before WWI.

/fly as you like
//vet
 
2012-11-12 02:00:09 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Holocaust Agnostic: Stone Meadow:
Are you always this self delusional?

How the heck would I know? 

Win!


True dat! Reminds me of the trick question on the astronaut test: "Have you ever experienced amnesia?"
 
2012-11-12 02:00:10 PM  

skullkrusher: Pants full of macaroni!!: Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?

[janedoerecovery.com image 300x204]

nope


Why'd you post the French flag?

henryhill: More people should do things of this nature so the idiots stand out from the crowd. I have the feeling that if this guy considers his current situation to be distress, his time in the Navy was rather uneventful.


I get the feeling his idea of "distress" at sea would be something like running out of toilet paper.
 
2012-11-12 02:01:20 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Why'd you post the French flag?


France has a rich, successful military tradition of empire and conquest. The South fought 1 war and got their asses kicked.
 
2012-11-12 02:03:44 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It is not disrespectful to fly the flag in this manner.


Flying the flag upside down conventionally indicates an immediate danger to one's life. Whatever one thinks about the results of an election, there is no immediate danger to that man's life. In a sense, what he's doing is the visual equivalent of calling 911.
 
2012-11-12 02:08:34 PM  

skullkrusher: GranoblasticMan: Why'd you post the French flag?

France has a rich, successful military tradition of empire and conquest. The South fought 1 war and got their asses kicked.


laughter OL
 
2012-11-12 02:11:45 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:

I think the look on her face says it all.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-12 02:21:00 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm sure the comments here will be just the same as when someone wants to fly a Confederate flag.

Can you even tell if a Confederate flag is flying upside down?

 

depending on the "national flag" (which had like 5 versions of it) VS "battle flag" (typical flag everyone thinks is the confederate flag)

yes
 
2012-11-12 02:24:37 PM  
i911.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 02:31:47 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 384x480]

I think the look on her face says it all.


The best part of that article was the fact that there was a link to the Hooter's swimsuit competition. Other than that, this is a non-story in my book.
 
2012-11-12 02:34:04 PM  

Worldwalker: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It is not disrespectful to fly the flag in this manner.

Flying the flag upside down conventionally indicates an immediate danger to one's life. Whatever one thinks about the results of an election, there is no immediate danger to that man's life. In a sense, what he's doing is the visual equivalent of calling 911.


True, it is an actual, proper, way of displaying the colors. I am not saying it isn't stupid just not disrespectful to the colors.
 
2012-11-12 02:39:07 PM  

robbiex0r: You can support and laud our veterans and still find America a disgraceful nation.


No shiate. An economics professor who runs a blog is posting day by day accounts of WWII. 70 years ago the remaining defenders of Stalingrad. Nov 12, 1942 their was nothing left but shattered divisions holding thin strips along the river. The Germans were going to finish them off and they knew it.

Who was worse, Stalin or Hitler? Hard to say, but those guys, the unfortunate Russian farm boys in Stalingrad.
 
2012-11-12 02:40:53 PM  
there are more influential people in higher offices that are secretly way more disrespectful to 'our nation' (the term 'american' wasn't used for the first time to describe a people until the very early 1900's.. It's a little early to understand what 'our nation' even entails.) That is this guy's point I think: That there are snakes in the grass. It worked. He's got y'all talking about it. Too bad he didn't account for the fact that the majority is too gilded and dense to get his point. Heck, maybe he doesn't even know what his point is. That wouldn't be shocking at all. A+ for effort though.


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
/We're a little bit country, a little bit rock n roll. deal with it, mr. patriot.
 
2012-11-12 02:41:23 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: The best part of that article was the fact that there was a link to the Hooter's swimsuit competition. Other than that, this is a non-story in my book.


Jesus! All the silicone, now I know why gas is so spensive.
 
2012-11-12 02:41:47 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 384x480]

I think the look on her face says it all.

The best part of that article was the fact that there was a link to the Hooter's swimsuit competition. Other than that, this is a non-story in my book.


Typical Hooters bait and switch.
 
2012-11-12 02:44:43 PM  
So, can we come back and interview this guy in 4 years to find out exactly how horrible his life will be due to a re-election?
 
2012-11-12 03:02:07 PM  

The WindowLicker: Vangor: Whatever. He is upset about the election and is not hurting the flag at all. Plus, he served for many years. He is entitled to this though I disagree with his position and his expression.

As a current active duty member of the Core, I think he needs to pull his head out of his ass.

Flying the flag upside down is a sign of deep distress for a ship, a unit, or the country. He is personally upset that that a candidate of his choice was defeated in a relatively fair, open, and democratic process. There were no riots in the streets, there were no bombings at polling stations, and it sounds like voter intimidation was minimal.

Our country is not in distress, our country just showed that we can still hold to our ideals in the face of some determined efforts to undermine them. His hissy fit over candidate selection does not rate a flag upside down. He is not the United States, and his political party is not the United States. The flag belongs to us all. He is being dis-respectful to the flag, and to the members of the armed forces who have died trying to help people in Iraq and Afghanistan have elections as smooth and fair as ours just was.


While I agree with your sentiment, the proper spelling is "Corps".
 
2012-11-12 03:08:58 PM  

Yamaneko2: The WindowLicker: As a current active duty member of the Core, I think he needs to pull his head out of his ass.

While I agree with your sentiment, the proper spelling is "Corps".


Wonders how someone active on Fark this long could not be familiar with the Core meme...
 
2012-11-12 03:21:39 PM  
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2012-11-12 03:47:43 PM  
Philip Hoezel. sigh. If only he were advocating for veterans.

Hanging the flag upside down isn't trolling. It's a distress signal. And veterans are one of our nations' most distressed groups. They are not given adequate mental and health care. Too often, they have to wait too long for what is rightfully theirs. The suicide rate among veterans should shame every American. The one sub-group that dominates among the homeless is veterans. The highest unemployment rate continues to be among veterans. As if all that weren't bad enough, a handful of public colleges are trying to get away with charging veterans returned home out-of-state tuition in their home states.

1. If it's too soon for universal healthcare for everyone, fine, allow all military personnel and every veteran to show his or her I.D. at any medical, mental health, or dental facility for 100% coverage of treatment. And I mean all and every: no means testing; no hoops.

2. Double the number of suicide prevention centers. Call a safety stand down at each base and make it clear that this behavior will not be tolerated: "Commanders routinely override or ignore the medical treatment plans (also known as medical "profiles") that soldiers get from their doctors. Commanders regularly stigmatize soldiers who seek care through public humiliation or creating an environment of intimidation that discourages soldiers from speaking up for their own well being."

3. Create a veterans' job corp. I'd rather they expanded our designated wilderness areas, built wind and solar farms, and built the worlds' greatest mass transit system, but I'll settle for them constructing government buildings, trucking oil, and building still more roads if that's what it takes to get them working.

4. Legally require any college or graduate school that accepts any money from the federal government, be it so much as a dime, to allow any veteran to attend at in-state tuition rates regardless of where they are actually from. No more proving residency for military personnel and veterans. They will get the Veteran-in-Country in-state rate.

Until these sorts of things are done, we should all have the decency to fly our flags upside down. And, yes, even Phillip Hoezel should have these benefits though the thought of it kind of annoys me.
 
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