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2012-11-12 01:49:25 PM  
We don't need no stinking Irish.
 
2012-11-12 01:50:48 PM  
The Irish wholeheartedly support abortion for the English.
 
2012-11-12 01:52:32 PM  
dilbert.com
 
2012-11-12 01:52:44 PM  

"We knew we couldn't sit back and live in a country where unborn babies were being violently destroyed every day," says Bernadette Smyth, founder of Precious Life, a Northern Irish pro-life group


Yes, because when I think of the top guardians of the sanctity of life, my mind naturally goes immediately to Northern Ireland.
 
2012-11-12 01:54:10 PM  
dilbert.com

I should add, this comic doesn't work when the colorist fails to make the guys gingers.
 
2012-11-12 01:54:12 PM  
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Megan! hey Megan!
 
2012-11-12 01:55:57 PM  
I was expecting a screaming match in the Irish parliament (again) after seeing it on some American news a few years ago - I've been assuming that's all the Irish parliament does is yell incoherently at each other about how disorderly the other side is being and they're baby killers and I'm not etc.
 
2012-11-12 01:56:39 PM  

Smingleigh: The Irish wholeheartedly support abortion for the English.



Most of the people I know who are actually from Ireland are proud that they are Irish, but in the rare instances they do speak of England have never said anything negative about it. On the contrary actually.

We've been watching too many movies.
 
2012-11-12 01:57:41 PM  
I misread that as "hot drunken redheads"

/leaving disappointed
 
2012-11-12 01:57:50 PM  
The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one
 
2012-11-12 02:00:40 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: I misread that as "hot drunken redheads"

/leaving disappointed


I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
 
2012-11-12 02:04:21 PM  
If we are ever going to get our country back, we must close the border with Ireland and deport all the drunken, violent Paddies that infest our cities today.

Except the hot redheads.

Hot redhead thread!

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2012-11-12 02:08:54 PM  

iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one


How many snakes were there in Ireland before Paddy went there? What sorts were they?

I happen to live near a ferry-port that serves southern Ireland - a significant number of travelers to the mainland are visibly pregnant. Those returning, less so.

I think there's a saint in Britain driving fetuses from Irish ladies.
 
2012-11-12 02:10:45 PM  
Hell, for that you can just watch my Uncle Dan this thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-12 02:10:52 PM  

iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one


This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.
 
2012-11-12 02:11:24 PM  

Arkanaut: Plant Rights Activist: I misread that as "hot drunken redheads"

/leaving disappointed

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.


Me too!
 
2012-11-12 02:16:48 PM  
Of course the Irish Church opposes abortion. If it were legal, there would be fewer kids to beat abd bugger.
 
2012-11-12 02:17:52 PM  

lunkhed: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

How many snakes were there in Ireland before Paddy went there? What sorts were they?

I happen to live near a ferry-port that serves southern Ireland - a significant number of travelers to the mainland are visibly pregnant. Those returning, less so.

I think there's a saint in Britain driving fetuses from Irish ladies.


As you probably are aware; that, in all likelihood, is a farie tale told by monks in the 11th-15th centuries to explain why Ireland didn't have snakes. It is more likely that Ireland never had snakes to begin with.

Like I said; I don't care if a young lady has an abortion; but, Ireland has gone with the church so long that they will probably go with the church this time to

/ think about it a different way; you can figure out which ones put out by paying attention to the comings and goings around the ferry

// I keed, I keed
 
2012-11-12 02:21:02 PM  
I wonder how many women would choose to keep the kids if they knew that churches would actively pitch in to help her in her time of need...


Wait, that'd be following Christ's example. Nevermind.

/disgruntled Christian
 
2012-11-12 02:22:46 PM  

lunkhed: I think there's a saint in Britain driving fetuses from Irish ladies.


www.avp.siligon.com
 
2012-11-12 02:23:16 PM  

Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.


Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess
 
2012-11-12 02:23:18 PM  

Marine1: I wonder how many women would choose to keep the kids if they knew that churches would actively pitch in to help her in her time of need...


Wait, that'd be following Christ's example. Nevermind.

/disgruntled Christian


FTFA: "In the south, the Catholic Church held sway over the majority of political decisions through the 20th century; but a series of scandals involving the sexual abuse of children by priests has weakened an institution that was already facing challenges to its authority in a less reverential age."

Don't know about you, but I don't think I'd be handing my kid off to a priest for babysitting.
 
2012-11-12 02:24:54 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: I was expecting a screaming match in the Irish parliament (again) after seeing it on some American news a few years ago - I've been assuming that's all the Irish parliament does is yell incoherently at each other about how disorderly the other side is being and they're baby killers and I'm not etc.


I love to watch UK politics. They yell, they throw stuff at each other, and sometimes a brawl breaks out. A British Farker once suggested that footage from Parliament should be watched with Yakety Sax playing
 
2012-11-12 02:30:38 PM  

iheartscotch: As you probably are aware; that, in all likelihood, is a farie tale told by monks in the 11th-15th centuries to explain why Ireland didn't have snakes. It is more likely that Ireland never had snakes to begin with.


Awww, c'mon...
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2012-11-12 02:31:20 PM  

iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess


Um...what decade is it where you live?
 
2012-11-12 02:31:44 PM  

RedVentrue: Arkanaut: Plant Rights Activist: I misread that as "hot drunken redheads"

/leaving disappointed

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

Me too!


Ayup, same here.
 
2012-11-12 02:32:01 PM  

Marine1: I wonder how many women would choose to keep the kids if they knew that churches would actively pitch in to help her in her time of need...


Wait, that'd be following Christ's example. Nevermind.

/disgruntled Christian


I like the cut of your jib!

/the whole "do unto others" apparently really confused some folks...
 
2012-11-12 02:35:55 PM  

bentleypm: iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess

Um...what decade is it where you live?


The 1980's of course.

On a serious note; has the british position on northern Ireland changed and nobody remembered to tell me?
 
2012-11-12 02:37:04 PM  

bentleypm: iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess

Um...what decade is it where you live?


Yeah, no kidding. The "Irish Free State" was a while ago, and even that pretty much did what they wanted regardless of London.
 
2012-11-12 02:42:22 PM  

iheartscotch: bentleypm: iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess

Um...what decade is it where you live?

The 1980's of course.

On a serious note; has the british position on northern Ireland changed and nobody remembered to tell me?


Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The Republic of Ireland is not. It's an independent country. Has been for your entire life, unless you are pretty old.
 
2012-11-12 02:42:42 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: bentleypm: iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess

Um...what decade is it where you live?

Yeah, no kidding. The "Irish Free State" was a while ago, and even that pretty much did what they wanted regardless of London.


Hey now! We just re-elected Reagan; and everything is going swimmingly.

On a serious note, I guess I missed that part; oh well.
 
2012-11-12 02:51:38 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Smingleigh: The Irish wholeheartedly support abortion for the English.


Most of the people I know who are actually from Ireland are proud that they are Irish, but in the rare instances they do speak of England have never said anything negative about it. On the contrary actually.

We've been watching too many movies.


Most people I've encountered who still harp about the British and act like the troubles are still going tend to be American Plastic Paddies (like my mother). It seems like the Irish just want to get on with their lives.

I think people like my mom just want to have something to feel opressed about.

/it sure is tough being white
 
2012-11-12 02:51:50 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Most of the people I know who are actually from Ireland are proud that they are Irish, but in the rare instances they do speak of England have never said anything negative about it. On the contrary actually. We've been watching too many movies.


Was in Dublin for a weekend, went to one bar. One. Had been chatting a bit to some guy from Tyrone. I was doing something else when I notice Tyrone almost immediately came to blows with some other guy.

"What the hell was that all about?" I asked.

"Some English farker thought I was English. I asked him, 'Do I look like a prick to you?'"

We laughed. It was actually kinda funny.

/cool story, lad
 
2012-11-12 02:58:46 PM  
They're a little less freaked out about it than some countries when boats visit, but it's odd to think that "liberal" Europe still has these laws.

I've heard that Britain is a destination for women needing abortions.
 
2012-11-12 03:09:27 PM  
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/take your pick
 
2012-11-12 03:11:50 PM  

iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess


I think you're confusing UK and Great Britain - Northern Ireland is an autonomous part of the United Kingdom with it's governing body in Belfast, The Republic of Ireland is a separate state with it's own government in Dublin. The island of Ireland which contains both Northern and Republic is part of the archipelago of Great Britain. Great Britain is a geographical area, the United Kingdom is a sovereign state.
 
2012-11-12 03:34:32 PM  

iheartscotch: bentleypm: iheartscotch: Spiralmonkey: iheartscotch: The emerald isle has been predominantly catholic since St. Patrick drove all the snakes from Ireland 1500 years ago. In all of that time; Ireland and the irish have been invaded, subjugated and persecuted by the Protestant/ Anglican authorities. That hasn't stopped the Irish from supporting catholicism. I don't think a little thing like abortion will change that either.

/ I don't care if a young lady chooses to get an abortion; it is her choice; just saying that Ireland will probably go with the church on this one

This is in Northern Ireland which isn't Catholic, it's part of the UK.

Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

/ the whole thing is a mess

Um...what decade is it where you live?

The 1980's of course.

On a serious note; has the british position on northern Ireland changed and nobody remembered to tell me?


This should make it all clear for you

In short: No, the republic of Ireland is not part of the UK. The island of Ireland is part of the British Isles, and Northern Ireland is indeed part of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
 
2012-11-12 03:37:15 PM  
The issue is unwanted pregnancy, not abortion; fix that.
 
2012-11-12 03:57:23 PM  
How about red-head BIE? That's a concept I can get behind.


/eip
 
2012-11-12 04:07:40 PM  

iheartscotch: Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.


Well, that certainly saves time reading anything else you might ever post.
 
2012-11-12 04:21:01 PM  
When ever I have a question of what's morally right, I look to see what the Catholic Church is doing or saying....... Then I do the exact opposite. The opposite of what the church does is usually the decent, human thing to do.

/my phone auto capitializes "catholic church" unless its in quotations.
//learn something new everyday
 
2012-11-12 04:26:17 PM  
Ireland has transformed from a highly conservative catholic country into a progressive secular one. But unfortunately it still has that rump of batshiat insane religious lunatics who are still trying to control everything. I expect a referendum on abortion would pass providing it wasn't too permissive but it wouldn't stop lunatics from doing their best to scare everyone into conformity.

One group called Youth Defence / Coir can be particularly nasty during referenda and if abortion came up you can bet they would be posting misleading nonsense and outright lies as well as shock pictures to every lamppost.
 
2012-11-12 04:34:17 PM  
FTFA: Nevertheless "the power and influence of the Catholic Church where it chooses to intervene in social-policy debates should not be underestimated in [the Republic of Ireland], where 84% still identify as Catholic," says Ivana Bacik, a Senator for the Irish Labour Party, the junior member of the country's governing coalition. ... A poll carried out last year in the republic showed 54% of the country's electorate backing the full legalization of abortion, up from 37% four years earlier.

This is the real issue here. The Roman Catholic Church is used to having the people and politicians of Ireland ask "How high?" when told to jump. Not any more though, and this is a desperate attempt to regain power. It's not about moral authority; since the Ryan Commission report into decades of institutionalised and highly profitable child abuse and forced labour it has had no moral authority whatsoever. It's power, just power, they want.
 
2012-11-12 04:47:18 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: "We knew we couldn't sit back and live in a country where unborn babies were being violently destroyed every day," says Bernadette Smyth, founder of Precious Life, a Northern Irish pro-life group


Yes, because when I think of the top guardians of the sanctity of life, my mind naturally goes immediately to Northern Ireland.


indeed. a peace-loving people who work hard in life to make certain their own babies are not surrounded by poverty, alcohol abuse, hunger, child/spousal/mental/physical abuse, and are free from the ancient derp of church that brings about a life-long association with self loathing, guilt, inadequacies, sexual inhibition and a horrible controlling that haunts one to the very core of their being.

of course if teh babby survives that...
 
2012-11-12 04:59:23 PM  

jakepowers: When ever I have a question of what's morally right, I look to see what the Catholic Church is doing or saying....... Then I do the exact opposite. The opposite of what the church does is usually the decent, human thing to do.

/my phone auto capitializes "catholic church" unless its in quotations.
//learn something new everyday


So I assume you don't give to charities?
 
2012-11-12 05:07:29 PM  

orbister: iheartscotch: Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.

Well, that certainly saves time reading anything else you might ever post.


Well, bye.
 
2012-11-12 05:10:00 PM  

iheartscotch: Well, bye.


He'll come crawling back. Just like those pesky 13 colonies! But never mind them, there's more money to be made in India I hear.
 
2012-11-12 05:11:38 PM  
Of course the Catholic church is against this. Every abortion is one less potential rape victim for them.

/a big herd of sheep means lots of prospects
 
2012-11-12 05:19:55 PM  

iheartscotch: Technically, both the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland are both part of the UK. The difference is, the republic has autonomy. The reason England hasn't granted autonomy to northern Ireland is out of concern for the protestant population.


You should learn some geography. This video makes it all crystal clear: Link
 
2012-11-12 05:49:52 PM  

Spiralmonkey: I think you're confusing UK and Great Britain - Northern Ireland is an autonomous part of the United Kingdom with it's governing body in Belfast, The Republic of Ireland is a separate state with it's own government in Dublin. The island of Ireland which contains both Northern and Republic is part of the archipelago of Great Britain. Great Britain is a geographical area, the United Kingdom is a sovereign state.


No. Great Britain is a big, damp, foggy island north-east of Ushant. It contains England, Scotland, Wales, etc.It was unified into a single political state via a long process beginning with the reign of King James VI (or James I if you're English) in the early 1600's and culminating with the Acts of Union in 1707. (A very simplified version which leaves out Wales entirely!)

The political state known as the UK is formally labelled "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" which contains Great Britain (England, Wales, Scotland, etc.) and the northern counties of the island of Ireland.

Great Britain, Ireland, Mann, etc. all make up a geographic region commonly called the "British Isles". The political status of each region is absurdly complicated.

And calling an Irishman "British" is a good way to not make friends.
 
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