If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Tech Crunch)   Apple: Samsung, pay us for court settlements Samsung: 20% price increase on mobile processors seems fair about now   (techcrunch.com) divider line 119
    More: Obvious, Apple Inc., Samsung, court settlements, ipad mini, processors, mobile processors  
•       •       •

5138 clicks; posted to Geek » on 12 Nov 2012 at 2:25 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



119 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-11-12 10:27:35 PM  

SleepingEye: I'd have to ask what the hell they're doing with that money?


The same as Intel. They are paying for the plants that will make components for their near future products.
 
2012-11-12 10:35:44 PM  
Samsung needs the chips for its own equipment, which they make more money on than selling the chips alone. Their phone production is limited by how many chips they can make. Samsung smartphone sales are much bigger than Apple's and their tablets are booming.They are running at full chip production capacity, but they could sell more smartphones if they could make them. So every chip they sell to Apple represents a loss of that potential income.
 
2012-11-12 10:42:12 PM  

Hollie Maea: That article is "old" in that it was written before Intel's new expansion, which is 2.5 times larger than their previous biggest expenditure ever.


Good for Intel.

I understand they are still in the running to pick up Apple's fabrication business at the 14nm node. They publicly signaled their (reluctant) willingness to manufacture other people's IP earlier in the year.

It's definitely not in Intel's best interest to let Apple funnel money into TSMC that could help finance TSMC catching up to Intel's long standing process advantage.

Apple would win by getting access to Intel's advanced process technology enabling faster/smaller/more power efficient chips. Intel would win by taking money out of it's semiconductor manufacturing competitor's pockets.
 
2012-11-12 10:43:47 PM  

jules_siegel: they could sell more smartphones if they could make them


If this were true, there would be a shortage of Samsung products on the shelves.

There is no such shortage.
 
2012-11-12 10:57:08 PM  

BullBearMS: SleepingEye: I'd have to ask what the hell they're doing with that money?

The same as Intel. They are paying for the plants that will make components for their near future products.


The difference is, they just started spending their money very recently. They have frankly been resting on their laurels way too much. Hard to say if their recent flurry of investment will be too little too late, but when you have the amount of cash on hand that they have, that means someone farked up.

But yes, we get it; they are the biggest richest bestest company evar.
 
2012-11-12 11:00:49 PM  

spawn73: poisonedpawn78:
Thats why they ARE looking to that Taiwanese micro processesor company to pick up the next contract. the problem was that they couldnt do it in time without a supply disruption. And the hilarious part will be in the future when the quality of the apple products drops significantly. Hearing all the hipsters claiming ITS NOT TRUEEEEEE as their 4 day old iphone bricks itself on a faulty chip.

TSMC could easily do it. But they would rather have many smaller customers than one large. If they had most of the production doing stuff for Apple they would not only be dependant on something they couldn't control, the fortunes of Apple, but Apple could also preassure them on prices, which Apple would.

So TSMC will always prefer to only be able to sell 80% of their capacity to numerous customers, than having 100% of the production sold, with 80% of that being Apple.


I seem to remember TSMC switching between being a major fab for Intel, AMD (and ATI), and Nvidia every product generation. So I'm pretty sure they are capable and fine with specializing.

/I could be misremembering this.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:21 PM  

Hollie Maea: The difference is, they just started spending their money very recently. They have frankly been resting on their laurels way too much.


No.

They have moved from being willing to allow Samsung to manufacture a majority of their components to deciding to control their own supply chain.
 
2012-11-12 11:26:39 PM  

AdamK:
/never been impressed by anything Samsung makes
//has an iphone, would love to get a windows phone


Really? This doesn't impress you?

cphoto.asiae.co.kr

Samsung makes bloody everything- they may not make the Apple's products come 2014, but there's a good chance the things will be shipped on a Samsung ship
 
2012-11-12 11:52:42 PM  

BullBearMS: In other holy farking shiat events...

Breaking: Windows Head Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft


shiat. They're firing the wrong Steve.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:23 AM  

BullBearMS: Hollie Maea: The difference is, they just started spending their money very recently. They have frankly been resting on their laurels way too much.

No.

They have moved from being willing to allow Samsung to manufacture a majority of their components to deciding to control their own supply chain.


Dude, their latest big thing is a small version of a big version of the iPhone. Yes, they have been resting on their laurels.
 
2012-11-13 01:14:23 AM  

spawn73: poisonedpawn78:
Thats why they ARE looking to that Taiwanese micro processesor company to pick up the next contract. the problem was that they couldnt do it in time without a supply disruption. And the hilarious part will be in the future when the quality of the apple products drops significantly. Hearing all the hipsters claiming ITS NOT TRUEEEEEE as their 4 day old iphone bricks itself on a faulty chip.

TSMC could easily do it. But they would rather have many smaller customers than one large. If they had most of the production doing stuff for Apple they would not only be dependant on something they couldn't control, the fortunes of Apple, but Apple could also preassure them on prices, which Apple would.

So TSMC will always prefer to only be able to sell 80% of their capacity to numerous customers, than having 100% of the production sold, with 80% of that being Apple.


It's the old "sneaky hostile takeover" move. Get your supplier stretched way out on credit to meet your demand, then push prices lower and lower until they can't meet their monthly obligations, and then "rescue" them with a buyout. Not saying that Apple would do it, but that's gotta be a concern for a company smaller than Samsung. As the old-timers say, don't put all your eggs in one technology company.
 
2012-11-13 01:18:40 AM  

BullBearMS: Apple was Samsung's largest customer.


No, Samsung was Samsung's largest customer. They use more of their own component product than Apple ever did, to make complete retail products. And one of these product divisions - mobile phones - represents two thirds of the profits of the entire conglomerate.

As another said, Samsung will be fine. If Apple eats up all of TSMC's production capacity TSMC's customers will have nowhere to go but... to Samsung. And Samsung can charge them higher rates. At the same time, selling to Apple at Apple's agressive pricing will cripple Samsung's competitor TSMC's ability to do R&D and invest in increased production and new fabs. That's a win/win for Sammy.
 
2012-11-13 07:36:24 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Bingethinker = Apple Bevets or iBevets, if you prefer.


No, that's BullBearMS with all the inline outside quotes.

bingethinker is more like the one-liners, like winterwhile.
 
2012-11-13 07:51:35 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: AdamK:
/never been impressed by anything Samsung makes
//has an iphone, would love to get a windows phone

Really? This doesn't impress you?

[cphoto.asiae.co.kr image 550x403]

Samsung makes bloody everything- they may not make the Apple's products come 2014, but there's a good chance the things will be shipped on a Samsung ship


I'm sure somebody makes a better ship, it's just the way things always go with Samsung :P
 
2012-11-13 11:48:32 AM  

BullBearMS: If this were true, there would be a shortage of Samsung products on the shelves.


The distribution channels are coordinated with their production capacity. They don't just make stuff and throw it out there. Demand for their smartphones is growing. They are looking at preventing future shortages. This is called planning.
 
2012-11-13 04:10:37 PM  

Bacontastesgood: BullBearMS: In other holy farking shiat events...

Breaking: Windows Head Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

shiat. They're firing the wrong Steve.


That was certainly my thought as well. People in high places are calling for Ballmer's head, so he threw them Sinofsky's head instead.

Windows 8 may be a clusterfark, but Windows 7 was not.

I'm sure forcing a tablet interface on PC's wasn't Sinofsky's idea alone. Ballmer (and Gates too, I imagine) had to have approved that.
 
2012-11-13 09:02:44 PM  
Apple is a highly valued company but they are tiny compared to samsung, it really seems stupid to mess with them.


For people who don't know samsung is a farlking massive and diversified company.
I havent looked into it (because I don't care much) but Im not sure there are many products that samsung does not make,

cars phones tires shipyards oil drilling platforms all forms of rubber steel and plastic super ocean tankers and freight ships planes military weapons robots jets computer ram put in some effort and find somethign they do not make or are not involved in.

Look here it will blow your mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Samsung_Air_China_Life_Insurance

they are everywhere and everything
 
2012-11-13 10:33:37 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Really? This doesn't impress you?


I love that someone has to pilot the S.S. Dinkov.

/"... as in, Damn, it's cold enough to freeze your..."
 
2012-11-14 01:33:23 PM  
theflatline: bingethinker: Is this where paid shills and brainwashed losers come to blame Apple for everything? What color is the sky on your planet?


You are the first paid shill to show up.


It's all he ever does. I've never seen him in a thread that wasn't Apple related, meanwhile he comes into Apple threads always taking their side no matter what, while throwing accusations of "you're an anti-Apple shill" against anyone who's not kissing Apple's ass.
 
Displayed 19 of 119 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report