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(CNN)   Obama's plan to destroy the oil industry has resulted in the US becoming the world's largest oil producing nation by 2020. Can't he do anything right?   (money.cnn.com) divider line 163
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2012-11-12 11:30:10 AM  
Obama's plan to destroy the oil industry has resulted in the US becoming the world's largest oil producing nation by 2020. Can't he do anything right?

ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


You know it's bad when I notice it.
 
2012-11-12 11:37:23 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?



i.ytimg.com
It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.
 
2012-11-12 11:41:21 AM  
By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.
 
2012-11-12 11:43:48 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama's plan to destroy the oil industry has resulted in the US becoming the world's largest oil producing nation by 2020. Can't he do anything right?

ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


You know it's bad when I notice it.



Wioll haven be?
 
2012-11-12 11:50:57 AM  
Can those time travelers from 2020 give me some stock tips as well?
 
2012-11-12 11:59:15 AM  

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.


Obama is a wurwilf.
 
2012-11-12 12:01:06 PM  
At first they were like:
i1079.photobucket.com
And then they were all:
i1079.photobucket.com
But he was really...
i1079.photobucket.com
...the whole time
 
2012-11-12 12:13:12 PM  
omg. Obama is destroying small business like Exxon, the Saudi Royal Family and Chevron!!! why won't these democrats give the small business owner a break?
 
2012-11-12 12:55:39 PM  

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.


That is absolutely fascinating.
 
2012-11-12 01:31:31 PM  

Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.


Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid
 
2012-11-12 01:36:50 PM  
Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.
 
2012-11-12 01:39:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


It's because the stage FOR being the world leading producer HAS ALREADY been set. Kind of like, hey, I put this foundation for a house in. Soon, the house will be built.

kronicfeld: It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.


And that made my brain hurt.

/only got a B+ in English
 
2012-11-12 02:17:27 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-12 02:20:32 PM  

serial_crusher: Can those time travelers from 2020 give me some stock tips as well?


WHY, OF COURSE! - LINK 

/He's predicting a 3rd term for Obama, so you KNOW those stock picks will pan out.
 
2012-11-12 02:21:43 PM  
That's ten years faster than the last greenlit article just before. It'll be a done deal by Friday at this rate.
 
2012-11-12 02:22:39 PM  
I'd rather we continue to import relatively cheap foreign oil, and save what reserves we have for when the cheap stuff runs out.

Why sell for $2 today, when you can sell for $10 in a few years?
 
2012-11-12 02:54:45 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.

That is absolutely fascinating.


It means we'll probably be scrod.
 
2012-11-12 03:21:37 PM  
bicycles.
 
2012-11-12 03:22:04 PM  
This will be is having bad newsed for Fartbongo.
 
2012-11-12 03:23:04 PM  
So Obama is the one taking back us into the 50's?
 
2012-11-12 03:23:33 PM  

ShawnDoc: I'd rather we continue to import relatively cheap foreign oil, and save what reserves we have for when the cheap stuff runs out.

Why sell for $2 today, when you can sell for $10 in a few years?


I see you've played Age of Empires.
 
2012-11-12 03:24:14 PM  
Give it time....
 
2012-11-12 03:24:38 PM  
Now that we will drilling here and drilling now, gas should cost less. I read it on a bumper sticker. The logic checks out.
 
2012-11-12 03:24:54 PM  
I'd like to thank President Halliburton for exempting the fracing industry from the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, allowing them to pump anything into the ground they want save diesel fuel, and allowing them to not disclose the agents they employ so that they can hold their 'trade secrets.'
 
2012-11-12 03:24:58 PM  
Milt Romway would have stopped this.
 
2012-11-12 03:25:31 PM  
Good news for Obama derailed in one into grammarmudwrestlingfest 2012.

Excellent hhmmwwaaaaaaaa.....
 
2012-11-12 03:26:12 PM  

ShawnDoc: I'd rather we continue to import relatively cheap foreign oil, and save what reserves we have for when the cheap stuff runs out.

Why sell for $2 today, when you can sell for $10 in a few years?


but but but...what if in a few years we're off of oil dependance and and and...then it will be worthless?

/ok, not likely
 
2012-11-12 03:28:44 PM  
i194.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 03:29:24 PM  
He didn't build that. PRIVATE land is the primary location of new wells.
 
2012-11-12 03:29:47 PM  
FFS stop burning oil
 
2012-11-12 03:29:59 PM  
We can be oil independent if we start exploiting the shale oil reserves. However, there's a lot of opposition to that, both in Obama's administration and by environmental groups, so it may not happen.
 
2012-11-12 03:30:29 PM  
But I just read in World Nut Daily that Sen. James Imhofe (R-etarded) says the administration is waging "A War on Fossil Fuels"TM
 
2012-11-12 03:30:43 PM  
U.S. energy policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration and implemented by President Barack Obama have moved the U.S. toward energy independence and away from Middle East energy sources. U.S. oil production has risen rapidly since 2008 and oil imports are at their lowest level in two decades


Link

Give the dumb bastard some credit
 
2012-11-12 03:31:14 PM  

Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking fracking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.


FIFY
 
2012-11-12 03:31:54 PM  
cupofzup.com

GRAMMAR NAZIS
Not even the President of the United States is safe.
 
2012-11-12 03:32:36 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Milt Romway would have stopped this.


That does it! I'm voting for Britt Amway.
 
2012-11-12 03:32:37 PM  

serial_crusher: Can those time travelers from 2020 give me some stock tips as well?


www.bankonyourself.com
 
2012-11-12 03:33:56 PM  
That's the mother of all misleading scale graphs.
 
2012-11-12 03:33:59 PM  
So gas will be under $2.00 again plox?
 
2012-11-12 03:37:13 PM  
Gas won't go down to $2 cause taxes. Propane might, and wouldn't that make summer grilling a bit more funnier?
 
2012-11-12 03:37:18 PM  
But that's how he works! He's going to drill all the oil out and then we run out and crash!
 
2012-11-12 03:37:49 PM  
We may become a net exporter again, but I call BS on the huge increase in domestic production. Rather, demand is going to start falling in the US and Europe, while vastly overstated reserves in Saudi Arabia will result in a decline of output there.
 
2012-11-12 03:39:13 PM  

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.


In addition, it's a perfectly cromulent future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.
 
2012-11-12 03:39:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid


Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe
 
2012-11-12 03:40:37 PM  
Fracking for freedom!
 
2012-11-12 03:43:08 PM  
His plan to destroy capitalism has also resulted in the Dow going from 7949 on Jan 20, 2009 to 12831.62 today.

His plan to put everyone out of work resulted in reduced unemployment.

Dumbass can't do anything right.
 
2012-11-12 03:43:08 PM  
Unlikely.
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-11-12 03:44:17 PM  

hbk72777: U.S. energy policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration and implemented by President Barack Obama have moved the U.S. toward energy independence and away from Middle East energy sources. U.S. oil production has risen rapidly since 2008 and oil imports are at their lowest level in two decades


Link

Give the dumb bastard some credit


He did invade Iraq (as some think to steal their oil) and Iraq is about to come back on-line as one of the largest producers
 
2012-11-12 03:44:39 PM  
FTA: The Obama administration's push to develop and grow domestic natural gas capabilities has led to a natural gas drilling boom.
Can someone provide a citation that the Administration is behind the push to extract more natural gas? Are we drilling more on federal lands for natural gas? I think not. Did Obama make it easier for energy companies to get state drilling permits? I don't think so. So what exactly did the Obama Administration do?
 
2012-11-12 03:44:55 PM  
The Keystone Pipeline has been going in in direct defiance of orders from Obama's EPA. I have been waiting to see what becomes of that.

To suggest Obama has been championing fossil fuels is beyond ludicrous. Resource recovery technology has been outpacing the regulations to slow it down, and renewable energy production is actually going nowhere in spite of the billions thrown at it.

But... I am now embracing all liberal policies in order to get the country to implode faster, so I think Obama needs to get the actual ARMY into the midwest to destroy whatever illegal pipeline they have laid, and then seize the entire petroleum industry so we can have a sane government running it with America's best interests in mind.
 
2012-11-12 03:45:31 PM  
morphemedictionary.com

History book/reliable news source from the future or it didn't happen.
 
2012-11-12 03:45:37 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.


Why do people think that not importing/exporting oil will somehow magically change the price on a global market? The US exports gasoline due to extra refining capacity, not to keep low prices from 'Muricah!! If you want a vision of true oil independence in North America just look at Canada. It doesn't change any of the things people think it should change. But hell, Americans in general think that most of the gasoline in their cars started in the middle east in the first place.
 
2012-11-12 03:46:21 PM  

GT_bike: Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid

Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe


It's people like you that are making me a fortune in the tin foil industry. Carry on!
 
2012-11-12 03:46:32 PM  
Thus begins the 21st century wars for energy

/nuke taco bell
 
2012-11-12 03:47:29 PM  

GORDON: The Keystone Pipeline has been going in in direct defiance of orders from Obama's EPA. I have been waiting to see what becomes of that.

To suggest Obama has been championing fossil fuels is beyond ludicrous. Resource recovery technology has been outpacing the regulations to slow it down, and renewable energy production is actually going nowhere in spite of the billions thrown at it.

But... I am now embracing all liberal policies in order to get the country to implode faster, so I think Obama needs to get the actual ARMY into the midwest to destroy whatever illegal pipeline they have laid, and then seize the entire petroleum industry so we can have a sane government running it with America's best interests in mind.


Your blog sucks.
 
2012-11-12 03:48:05 PM  
Not to worry fossil fuel haters. I've been told we'll be completely out of oil by then.
 
2012-11-12 03:49:07 PM  
There's no way you can possibly spin his oil policies as 'friendly'. I know you're all climbing over each other for the right to slob on his knob, but his administration doesn't have the greatest record on developing oil.

Production may be up overall under this administration but its in spite of Obama, not because of him.

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/14/administration-a c tions-designed-to-increase-the-cost-and-reliability-of-energy/
 
2012-11-12 03:49:23 PM  

GORDON: The Keystone Pipeline has been going in in direct defiance of orders from Obama's EPA. I have been waiting to see what becomes of that.

To suggest Obama has been championing fossil fuels is beyond ludicrous. Resource recovery technology has been outpacing the regulations to slow it down, and renewable energy production is actually going nowhere in spite of the billions thrown at it.

But... I am now embracing all liberal policies in order to get the country to implode faster, so I think Obama needs to get the actual ARMY into the midwest to destroy whatever illegal pipeline they have laid, and then seize the entire petroleum industry so we can have a sane government running it with America's best interests in mind.


Wow, I had no idea that Obama's Get Out the Vote software, Gordon, had become sentient and had turned against its creator. Well, at least that is better than Orca, which could barely count to potato.
 
2012-11-12 03:49:31 PM  

kronicfeld: It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.

img850.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-12 03:49:39 PM  
It has to be true. I was visited from the future by Darth Vader of the planet Vulcan and he told me so. I also have to ask your mother to the Enchantment Under the Sea dance and totally nail her.
/your mom
//nail her
///in the vagina
 
2012-11-12 03:49:58 PM  
Bastard! I thought the idea was to deplete the natural resources of all other countries before tapping our own.
 
2012-11-12 03:50:26 PM  
I'm starting to think all those Republicans saying Obama was bad for the country might not have been telling us the truth for some reason.
 
2012-11-12 03:50:27 PM  
Turning farmland into oil fields doesn't sound like a great idea to me...

\\Also, time machine comment.
 
2012-11-12 03:51:26 PM  

GT_bike: Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid

Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe


Investing Tip: Every article (re: blog post) on SeekingAlpha is a series of anecdotes and correlations which inductively reach a conclusion that matches the author's opinion. You'd be better off listening to Jim Cramer.
 
2012-11-12 03:51:28 PM  
Lando Lincoln: "Yeah, that's just what we farking need."

Without ramping up US production, the growth of global demand will outstrip global production long before we could have feasibly shifted enough of our economy to natural gas and renewables. And then you get price shocks. And the economy goes to shiat.

This smooths the price curve on the way up and buys time for research, engineering, new power plant construction and the continued modernization of the US vehicle fleet (with commensurate increases in fuel efficiency).

If our economy is addicted to oil like a high-functioning heroin addict, think of this as buying another 8-ball to keep things moving forward until we've banked enough paid time off to take a week to detox. Is it a great plan? Nope. Is it the least-worst plan? So far.
 
2012-11-12 03:53:03 PM  

Surool: I'm starting to think all those Republicans saying Obama was bad for the country might not have been telling us the truth for some reason.


in other news: drill baby, drill is good for American now
 
2012-11-12 03:53:16 PM  
I don't want the price to fall- it only encourages the sale of bigger and less fuel effecient vehicles. You do want to go that route, start taxing vehicles by weight or fuel efficiency.
 
2012-11-12 03:53:30 PM  
So is this where so called progressives begin screaming again about how Obama is actually a Republican?

Personally, give him time, he'll put a stop to this.
 
2012-11-12 03:54:03 PM  
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/14/administration-ac tions-designed-to-increase-the-cost-and-reliability-of-energy/

Not sure what happened to last attempt, whatevs. Too lazy to hyperlink. In my day, we had to a href, now you new farkers have your little icons to click on .
 
2012-11-12 03:55:05 PM  

skullkrusher: Surool: I'm starting to think all those Republicans saying Obama was bad for the country might not have been telling us the truth for some reason.

in other news: drill baby, drill is good for American now


www.swapmeetdave.com

It would help the gene pool, I'll give you that.
 
2012-11-12 03:56:11 PM  
When did we go from "peak oil has passed and climate change will ruin the world" to "Obama has made gasoline the new economy and it is good"?

/I thought we were supposed to be a leader in exporting renewable energy technology.
 
2012-11-12 03:56:54 PM  
My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

a248.e.akamai.net
 
2012-11-12 03:57:06 PM  

way south: When did we go from "peak oil has passed and climate change will ruin the world" to "Obama has made gasoline the new economy and it is good"?

/I thought we were supposed to be a leader in exporting renewable energy technology.


Issa's rage? Put that shiat in a bottle and sell it. Pretty renewable, at least for the next 4 years.
 
2012-11-12 03:57:08 PM  
Gas will still be unaffordable.
 
2012-11-12 03:57:31 PM  

Mad_Radhu:
Wow, I had no idea that Obama's Get Out the Vote software, Gordon, had become sentient and had turned against its creator. Well, at least that is better than Orca, which could barely count to potato.


I don't know what that means, but I was serious when I said I was supporting liberal policies, now. No need to attack me. I really think the government should seize all industry that can be perceived as a "right," like people have the right to internet access, and health care, and gas for their cars. I am dead serious. I want this to happen. Y'all have my vote in 2016 across the board.
 
2012-11-12 03:58:09 PM  

BalugaJoe: Gas will still be unaffordable.


Which is why it's bought in sugte huge quantities
 
2012-11-12 03:58:18 PM  
Phineas: "Not sure what happened to last attempt"

Maybe the server couldn't handle someone un-ironically posting a link to the "Institute for Energy Research"?
 
2012-11-12 03:58:26 PM  

way south: When did we go from "peak oil has passed and climate change will ruin the world" to "Obama has made gasoline the new economy and it is good"?

/I thought we were supposed to be a leader in exporting renewable energy technology.


.
Once the so called progressives have us all back in horse and buggies, and gas consumption drops to zero, no shait that we'll be an exporting country.
 
2012-11-12 03:58:36 PM  

david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]


And my vehicle has a "15" dick looking for a good time" bumper sticker on it too, doesn't mean I'm saving the world.
 
2012-11-12 03:59:09 PM  

david_gaithersburg: So is this where so called progressives begin screaming again about how Obama is actually a Republican?

Personally, give him time, he'll put a stop to this.


By ammending the constitution so that there will no further name calling of the POTUS?
 
2012-11-12 03:59:11 PM  
Bow before us puny OPEC. Now where is our 30 cent a gallon gas like in big oil producing countries?
 
2012-11-12 03:59:44 PM  

way south: When did we go from "peak oil has passed and climate change will ruin the world" to "Obama has made gasoline the new economy and it is good"?

/I thought we were supposed to be a leader in exporting renewable energy technology.


I think you found the cause of this paradox
 
2012-11-12 04:00:23 PM  
I think a better analysis of the situation would be "US to become biggest producer of oil DESPITE obama"
 
2012-11-12 04:00:59 PM  

kronicfeld: It's the future conditional pluperfect subjunctive.


Thankfully it's not the future semiconditionally modified subinverted plagal past subjunctive intentional.
 
2012-11-12 04:01:44 PM  

Lupine Chemist: xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.

Why do people think that not importing/exporting oil will somehow magically change the price on a global market? The US exports gasoline due to extra refining capacity, not to keep low prices from 'Muricah!! If you want a vision of true oil independence in North America just look at Canada. It doesn't change any of the things people think it should change. But hell, Americans in general think that most of the gasoline in their cars started in the middle east in the first place.


Why sell excess gasoline at a discount to deadbeat Americans when socialist fer'ners will pay full retail?
 
2012-11-12 04:02:08 PM  

skullkrusher: Fracking for freedom!


I drove through the Eagle Ford field last weekend on the way to and from the beach.
Got-damn trucks everywhere hauling fluid and sand. Took a big rock to the windshield from one...pissed me off.
 
2012-11-12 04:03:06 PM  

Maud Dib: skullkrusher: Fracking for freedom!

I drove through the Eagle Ford field last weekend on the way to and from the beach.
Got-damn trucks everywhere hauling fluid and sand. Took a big rock to the windshield from one...pissed me off.


as long as they keep that shiat below the impermeable layer, you should be ok... though windshield rocks remain a hazard
 
2012-11-12 04:04:14 PM  

Amusement: Gas won't go down to $2 cause taxes. Propane might, and wouldn't that make summer grilling a bit more funnier?


No, because you don't grill on propane flames you savage.

Charcoal ftw.
 
2012-11-12 04:04:53 PM  
I was driving late one night about 2 years ago and caught a Coast to Coast show on the radio. The guest on there was basically saying the same thing as the headline. That America will be an powerful oil country eventually and regain its rightful place as a super power.
 
2012-11-12 04:05:42 PM  
"Peak Oil", a lie.
"Drill Baby Drill", a lie.
"Energy Independant", a lie.
"Limited Refining", a lie.
"The Speculators", a lie.
And so on,,,

Wake me when we hit Peak Profit.
 
2012-11-12 04:06:31 PM  
If there are only two glasses of milk left on the planet I will gladly pay any price to buy and drink yours first.
 
2012-11-12 04:07:12 PM  

xen0blue: I think a better analysis of the situation would be "US to become biggest producer of oil DESPITE obama"


If it weren't for the investors driving the price of oil so high Shale may not have been viable due to expense
 
2012-11-12 04:07:16 PM  

coeyagi: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

And my vehicle has a "15" dick looking for a good time" bumper sticker on it too, doesn't mean I'm saving the world.


You are taller than 15" dont sell yourself short
 
2012-11-12 04:07:44 PM  
While we still need to pursue alternative/renewable/green energy sources; becomming the world leader in oil production can help world stability by making the rest of the world less dependent on the Middle East, which is the most unstable part of the world, for their oil.
 
2012-11-12 04:08:14 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Thus begins the 21st century wars for energy

/nuke taco bell


The single largest producer of natural gas!
 
2012-11-12 04:08:21 PM  
 
2012-11-12 04:08:23 PM  

david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]


Care twice as hard because I'm not going to at all
 
2012-11-12 04:13:43 PM  

coeyagi: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

And my vehicle has a "15" dick looking for a good time" bumper sticker on it too, doesn't mean I'm saving the world.


one vag at a time
 
2012-11-12 04:13:55 PM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-11-12 04:14:36 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.


Came here to biatch about this.
 
2012-11-12 04:14:44 PM  

turtleking: coeyagi: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

And my vehicle has a "15" dick looking for a good time" bumper sticker on it too, doesn't mean I'm saving the world.

You are taller than 15" dont sell yourself short


I was about to say. If he's only a little over a foot tall, he should be driving a Tonka truck.
 
2012-11-12 04:14:54 PM  
Did anyone look at the article? This is a joke right?
 
2012-11-12 04:15:08 PM  
There's still a finite amount of fossil fuel. We will run out, and it is moronic for anyone to behave as if we will not. Thinking about 2020 or 2030 is still being ridiculously short-sighted.
 
2012-11-12 04:16:04 PM  
static.guim.co.uk
static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-11-12 04:16:42 PM  

StopLurkListen: [i194.photobucket.com image 410x348]


You know *anyone* would land there for those prices!
 
2012-11-12 04:16:48 PM  
I'm not an oil expert, but I do live in Houston and own a tiny fraction of an exploration company.

The only reason XL was delayed was to rethink the routing over the Ogallala Aquifer. It's going to happen.

The technology advances in horizontal drilling and frac-ing are the near term reason for optimism. Rig counts are up and day rates are getting very expensive. And in the Eagle Ford, roads, railroads and pipelines (and housing and schools etc.) are way behind production and are the current bottleneck. The government is neither holding up or responsible for this oil boom.

Gasoline prices are partially dependent on refiners, they can ramp up or down production, er close for scheduled maintenance, depending on demand projections. They don't want gasoline too cheap to miss profits or to expensive to lower demand and encourage competition. There is a $10 billion dollar refinery (Motiva http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Repairs-wrapping-up-at-Mo tiva-s-Port-Arthur-4025256.php) about to come on line.
And several other projects in and around Houston are going great guns.

Anybody that can pass a drug test and get a commercial license can make $80K in SouthTexas today, more in North Dakota I'd guess.

But we know, it's a bounty we will misuse. We will raise the CO2, delay green energy development and spend all the money on hookers and blow,
because we are Americans dammit!
 
2012-11-12 04:17:05 PM  
Something something oil companies wanting more money something quoted as saying "Try to flucking stop us!"
 
2012-11-12 04:17:57 PM  
Obama (and or most other presidents of any party) is a gnat on the butt of the elephant that is our economy. He is responsible for neither our economic success nor our failure. He is mostly just an interested onlooker.
 
2012-11-12 04:19:47 PM  

hbk72777: U.S. energy policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration and implemented by President Barack Obama have moved the U.S. toward energy independence and away from Middle East energy sources. U.S. oil production has risen rapidly since 2008 and oil imports are at their lowest level in two decades


Link

Give the dumb bastard some credit


Declassify his pre-Iraq invasion White House "chats" with oil sector leaders, and we'll talk.
 
2012-11-12 04:23:47 PM  

Onkel Buck: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

Care twice as hard because I'm not going to at all


So am I having a total science fail, or am I the only one who gets the joke?

Petroleum (like gasoline & diesel) is a hydrocarbon...so hes saying his truck burns gas or diesel...the "eco-vehicle" part being the joke.
 
2012-11-12 04:25:29 PM  

Irregardless: Obama (and or most other presidents of any party) is a gnat on the butt of the elephant that is our economy. He is responsible for neither our economic success nor our failure. He is mostly just an interested onlooker.


There is very little a president can do to boost the economy, but there are many things he can do to hold back, or even destroy, the economy. This is why it is best when they just get the fark out of the way.
 
2012-11-12 04:26:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama's plan to destroy the oil industry has resulted in the US becoming the world's largest oil producing nation by 2020. Can't he do anything right?

ok, I'm the last farker to bitach about tenses and grammar, however if we are talking about something that will happen in 8 years how can it be "has resulted"? Or does Obama really have a time machine?


You know it's bad when I notice it.


Don't worry about that. Obama the whole thing.
 
2012-11-12 04:30:49 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Onkel Buck: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

Care twice as hard because I'm not going to at all

So am I having a total science fail, or am I the only one who gets the joke?

Petroleum (like gasoline & diesel) is a hydrocarbon...so hes saying his truck burns gas or diesel...the "eco-vehicle" part being the joke.


sometimes sarcasm soars over folks heads like a wooden rabbit in a catapult
 
2012-11-12 04:33:32 PM  

signaljammer: I'd like to thank President Halliburton for exempting the fracing industry from the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, allowing them to pump anything into the ground they want save diesel fuel, and allowing them to not disclose the agents they employ so that they can hold their 'trade secrets.'


^^^^^^^^^ This This should be a poster glued to the walls and windows wherever population America resides until farking stupid citizens wake up and demand it not be so

it's not as if there is an endless supply of everything. including fresh air, fresh water and unpolluted ground - of which is in short farking supply biatchtits

ooh, frackin my life away
piss away a sunny day
profits for me
ooh, frackin my life away
Halliburton money days
profits i'll see

david_gaithersburg: Irregardless: Obama (and or most other presidents of any party) is a gnat on the butt of the elephant that is our economy. He is responsible for neither our economic success nor our failure. He is mostly just an interested onlooker.

There is very little a president can do to boost the economy, but there are many things he can do to hold back, or even destroy, the economy. This is why it is best when they just get the fark out of the way.


oh honey i hope you are not preaching that behind the pulpit or teaching that in a classroom. ignorance is not a funny thing, not at all.
 
2012-11-12 04:34:34 PM  

CheatCommando: GT_bike: Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid

Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe

It's people like you that are making me a fortune in the tin foil industry. Carry on!


Are you disputing the current returns and state of the BNSF, BRK-A, BRK-B stocks or that Burlington Northern Santa Fe is growing or that Berkshire Hathaway isn't doing well with MidAmerican Energy or that he's not cozy with the Obama administration?

Or are you just too inept to google, bloomberg or WSJ that for yourself? Publically traded stocks actually do release information such as their profits, losses and cash holdings but then again you get great reception considering your holdings in tin foil so probably don;t need to do much else than tow the talking points, mock the facts since they don't support the narrative etc...Maybe Ben Nelson the senator from Nebraska's multi-million dollar investments into Berkshire Hathaway would influence what he voted against the Keystone Pipeline when previous to the BNSF aquisition had him praising the jobs Nebraska would get from the pipeline?

I don't know why you can accept that the democrat party is immune to greed buut but I question it all and everyone.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-23/buffett-s-burlington-norther n -among-winners-in-obama-rejection-of-pipeline.html
 
2012-11-12 04:34:45 PM  
You forgot to mention his war on the coal industry which resulting in domestic coal production increasing every year since he took office.

In all fairness, it's still well below 2008 production levels, but hey. These things happen when
1) the economy poops on itself and energy demand plummets
2) some smart people learn how to "safely" extract immense reserves of natural gas, and
3) the coal mining industry decides that blowing up it's own workers is more important than spending a few bucks on expensive safety measures like those plastic screens the butcher at the grocery store uses.
 
2012-11-12 04:36:14 PM  
Scary thing is, some conservatives actually believe that his plan IS to destroy the oil industry.
They think in black & white, US vs THEM terms. So when someone says we need to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels, they immediately think "WAR ON OIL!".
And when someone says they want to allow a group of people (for whom they look down on) to have a right that everyone else has, they think "WAR ON MY RIGHTS". (That one applies to both homosexuals and women.)

This is why the GOP will never get more than 300 electoral votes.
 
2012-11-12 04:36:44 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

If you want something done, do it yourself.
 
2012-11-12 04:41:41 PM  

loonatic112358: Sultan Of Herf: Onkel Buck: david_gaithersburg: My truck has this sticker on it, because I care.

[a248.e.akamai.net image 380x345]

Care twice as hard because I'm not going to at all

So am I having a total science fail, or am I the only one who gets the joke?

Petroleum (like gasoline & diesel) is a hydrocarbon...so hes saying his truck burns gas or diesel...the "eco-vehicle" part being the joke.

sometimes sarcasm soars over folks heads like a wooden rabbit in a catapult


Now we all jump out of the Rabbit!

/Ni!
 
2012-11-12 04:42:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: GT_bike: Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid

Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe

Investing Tip: Every article (re: blog post) on SeekingAlpha is a series of anecdotes and correlations which inductively reach a conclusion that matches the author's opinion. You'd be better off listening to Jim Cramer.


The stats of profits, returns and cash on hand are available on all the other non-biased financial sites like Bloomberg, WSJ, Yahoo Finance etc... the "I can't see greed anywhere but in the Rebublican party" rhetoric is tired and blind. The January 2012 Bloomberg articles projecting "possible" benfits to BNSF if the pipeline was rejected failed to predict 14% increase in hauling volume with 72% profits but don't let facts get in the way of a blind rebuttal.
 
2012-11-12 04:44:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: FFS stop burning oil


FFS find something else to get me to work that is readily available. If i can convert my car to it i will.
 
2012-11-12 04:46:44 PM  
www.mediabistro.com


Price of gas down 15¢ since Obama was reelected.
 
2012-11-12 04:50:33 PM  
http://www.wskg.org/npr/energy-independence-wouldnt-make-gasoline-any- cheaper

For those too lazy to read, Canada exports more oil than it uses, yet still has high prices. Oil is a global commodity, so even if we produced more than we needed domestically, we'd still have high prices. Unless you want the government to step in and force companies to sell cheaply in the US?
 
2012-11-12 04:52:18 PM  

JackieRabbit: We may become a net exporter again, but I call BS on the huge increase in domestic production. Rather, demand is going to start falling in the US and Europe, while vastly overstated reserves in Saudi Arabia will result in a decline of output there.


Demand in the US has fallen every year for the last five while supply has increased over the same time.

Gas should be as cheap as it's ever been right now except we don't sell American oil to Americans, we sell it on global markets.
 
2012-11-12 04:54:08 PM  

GORDON: The Keystone Pipeline has been going in in direct defiance of orders from Obama's EPA. I have been waiting to see what becomes of that.


Not quite. From what I've heard, they have proposed routes for phase 4 of the Keystone XL pipeline that do not cross over the thousand-mile-long Oglalia aquifer that lies under most of the midwest, and which would be a disaster of unmatched proportion to US agriculture if it were polluted. That was the only bone of contention. With the new route, it will likely gain the approval of the government of Nebraska as well as the EPA, and be constructed.

It's almost as if politics forced the project to be built in a way that protected the public good. AKA politics worked.
 
2012-11-12 04:55:59 PM  
Hydrocarbon fuel is going to be around for hundreds of years to come. After shale gas comes shale oil, after that we make gasoline from coal, after that methane hydrates....

Want to get rid of hydrocarbons? Go nuclear and use it to make hydrogen, and go on a hydrogen economy, with H2 fueling cars, airplanes, etc.

Wind will always be a bit player, and solar will only happen when we have a cheap way of storing it, like ECONOMICAL solar production of hydrogen. Could happen, but the physics say it ain't easy.

Polywell fusion would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath....

/btw, Obama and associates get ZERO credit for expanding oil production. Him and his allies have been nothing but obstructionists
 
2012-11-12 04:56:24 PM  

zoobaby: http://www.wskg.org/npr/energy-independence-wouldnt-make-gasoline-any - cheaper

For those too lazy to read, Canada exports more oil than it uses, yet still has high prices. Oil is a global commodity, so even if we produced more than we needed domestically, we'd still have high prices. Unless you want the government to step in and force companies to sell cheaply in the US?


we just need a strong dollar that will lower the price of domestically produced oil for Americans only.
 
2012-11-12 04:56:40 PM  

GT_bike: He didn't build that. PRIVATE land is the primary location of new wells.


DERP!
 
2012-11-12 04:57:27 PM  

2 Replies:
This is why the GOP will never get more than 300 electoral votes.


Then I guess it's a good thing it only takes 270.
 
2012-11-12 04:58:42 PM  

Phineas: Production may be up overall under this administration but its in spite of Obama, not because of him.

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/14/administration-a c tions-designed-to-increase-the-cost-and-reliability-of-energy/



since 1996, $110,000 of IER's funding has come from the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, a trust set up by private energy company Koch Industries. IER also received over $300,000 in funding from ExxonMobil, but Exxon has not given to IER since 2007.

The Institute's CEO, Robert L. Bradley, Jr., was formerly a director of policy analysis at Enron, where he wrote speeches for Kenneth Lay.



Sounds totally not-in-the-tank to energy interests.
 
2012-11-12 05:03:22 PM  

GT_bike: Rapmaster2000: GT_bike: Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.

Not to worry, we're building the Keystone XL pipeline so we can export it out of the country tax free.

So, problem solved, right?

/ok so its stupid

Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/992421-berkshire-hathaway-keeps-chugg i ng-along-thanks-to-burlington-northern-santa-fe

Investing Tip: Every article (re: blog post) on SeekingAlpha is a series of anecdotes and correlations which inductively reach a conclusion that matches the author's opinion. You'd be better off listening to Jim Cramer.

The stats of profits, returns and cash on hand are available on all the other non-biased financial sites like Bloomberg, WSJ, Yahoo Finance etc... the "I can't see greed anywhere but in the Rebublican party" rhetoric is tired and blind. The January 2012 Bloomberg articles projecting "possible" benfits to BNSF if the pipeline was rejected failed to predict 14% increase in hauling volume with 72% profits but don't let facts get in the way of a blind rebuttal.


As long as we're engaging in cartoonish stereotypes, it's interesting to see a billionaire whose taint Republicans won't lick.
 
2012-11-12 05:03:50 PM  

devalt: 2 Replies:
This is why the GOP will never get more than 300 electoral votes.

Then I guess it's a good thing it only takes 270.


In eight years, they'll be looking at a ceiling of 260 once Texas flips Dem
 
2012-11-12 05:04:10 PM  

ShawnDoc: I'd rather we continue to import relatively cheap foreign oil, and save what reserves we have for when the cheap stuff runs out.

Why sell for $2 today, when you can sell for $10 in a few years?


Because investors are like greedy little brats with zero patience.
They want their payoff NOW goddammitt, not 10 years from now.
This lack of long-term thinking is destroying business. The 'suits' are killing the goose that lays their golden eggs.
 
2012-11-12 05:05:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-12 05:10:17 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.


Kind of a straw dog as that gasoline is going back to the country from whence the oil came from. For example, Venezuela doesn't have the refining capacity for their heavy oil, so they outsource the refining to Texas & Louisiana.
 
2012-11-12 05:10:18 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Irregardless: Obama (and or most other presidents of any party) is a gnat on the butt of the elephant that is our economy. He is responsible for neither our economic success nor our failure. He is mostly just an interested onlooker.

There is very little a president can do to boost the economy, but there are many things he can do to hold back, or even destroy, the economy. This is why it is best when they just get the fark out of the way.


The reason unemployment is so high is that there's not enough arsenic in our drinking water.
 
2012-11-12 05:12:53 PM  

GT_bike: The stats of profits, returns and cash on hand are available on all the other non-biased financial sites like Bloomberg, WSJ, Yahoo Finance etc



Because information derived from 10K filings has proven to be 100% accurate in the last decade and we have not had numerous instances of companies omitting information, distorting facts, or engaging in outright deception.
 
2012-11-12 05:14:46 PM  
So he's destroying the planet?
 
2012-11-12 05:41:02 PM  
That's funny because come 2020, Obama will still be president.
 
2012-11-12 05:41:29 PM  

MarkEC: FTA: The Obama administration's push to develop and grow domestic natural gas capabilities has led to a natural gas drilling boom.
Can someone provide a citation that the Administration is behind the push to extract more natural gas? Are we drilling more on federal lands for natural gas? I think not. Did Obama make it easier for energy companies to get state drilling permits? I don't think so. So what exactly did the Obama Administration do?


He corelated.
 
2012-11-12 05:42:39 PM  

ShawnDoc: I'd rather we continue to import relatively cheap foreign oil, and save what reserves we have for when the cheap stuff runs out.

Why sell for $2 today, when you can sell for $10 in a few years?


Depends on who you mean "we" is. Last I checked the people of the United States don't drill for oil, oil companies do, and I doubt they are going to drill it and sell it cheaply to Americans just out of the kindness of their heart.
 
2012-11-12 05:44:51 PM  

jfivealive: Smeggy Smurf: Thus begins the 21st century wars for energy

/nuke taco bell

The single largest producer of natural gas!


The hell you say. That title belongs to my ass. Taco Bell falls in at a distant third behind my son who holds the world record for most horrific fart by a human under the age of 18. I'd hold the record for an adult but every time I try for it the scientific equipment melts.
 
2012-11-12 05:48:21 PM  

zoobaby: http://www.wskg.org/npr/energy-independence-wouldnt-make-gasoline-any- cheaper

For those too lazy to read, Canada exports more oil than it uses, yet still has high prices. Oil is a global commodity, so even if we produced more than we needed domestically, we'd still have high prices. Unless you want the government to step in and force companies to sell cheaply in the US?


Yeah why not? All other oil producing countries do. Why is it that Western countries are the only ones that play by the rules?

And by "the rules" I do mean the opinions of international corporations.
 
2012-11-12 05:49:10 PM  

StopLurkListen: [i194.photobucket.com image 410x348]


I love that image. :)

The US is never going to get off oil, at least not in our lifetimes. We're far too good at being consumers, i.e. we buy too much shiat. All of that shiat has to be transported to stores and to our homes, and because the country is huge and we aren't investing a lot in rail and such, it's going to be trucked. Not to mention the super cargo ships from China all running on kerosene or whatever.

The other reason is that on average, Americans farking love gas-wasted vehicles of all types are all "from my cold dead hands" about them.

One day I'm sure it will all come crashing down but I'm enjoying the ride as much as anyone.
 
2012-11-12 06:15:39 PM  
 
2012-11-12 06:50:57 PM  

Phineas: I know you're all climbing over each other for the right to slob on his knob


A true conservative mentions fellating a black man in every post. Well done!
 
2012-11-12 07:40:07 PM  

StrikitRich: xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.

Kind of a straw dog as that gasoline is going back to the country from whence the oil came from. For example, Venezuela doesn't have the refining capacity for their heavy oil, so they outsource the refining to Texas & Louisiana.


Nothing like having shiat offshored back to the US...
 
2012-11-12 07:51:43 PM  
America would be the greatest exporter of solar and wind power but most of those companies went bankrupt after the taxpayer funded subsidies dried up.
 
2012-11-12 08:13:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: By ramping up production of shale oil?

Yeah, that's just what we farking need.

Humanity is so goddamn dumb.


You sit in your high chair. The fark do you know about anything?
 
2012-11-12 08:15:41 PM  
So on the one hand there's an industry thriving despite obama's decrease in federal land drilling permits. Obama ales the credit for the upward trend of production.

On the other hand gas prices and the unemployment rate is still somehow Bush's fault.
 
2012-11-12 09:01:15 PM  
The only thing he'll take credit for is something that Bush did and he has tried to stop. What a leader.
 
2012-11-12 09:16:10 PM  
Heh... The unconventional oil and gas incentives began in the 70s and the technology was perfected in the early 2000s.

But nice try, Obamitter.
 
2012-11-12 09:22:56 PM  
Besides the symbolism of his albedo, how can one possibly consider BO a liberal?
 
2012-11-12 10:00:18 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, but don't expect the price of gas to fall anytime soon.

I also recall that the US is currently THE leader (or near the top) in gasoline exports. It's supposedly one of the factors that's driving up the cost here at home.


To make matters worse, they are not really building new/expanding refinery capacity.
GREAT way to make even more money in US.

ASSHOLES
 
2012-11-12 10:02:21 PM  
oil isnt going anywhere.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:29 PM  

Robert1966: There's still a finite amount of fossil fuel. We will run out, and it is moronic for anyone to behave as if we will not. Thinking about 2020 or 2030 is still being ridiculously short-sighted.


DERP
People have been selling this chestnut since drake tapped his first well.
Everyone knows that the US hit peak production in the 70s and the world hit peak production in the 00s.
So why have ANY of the numbers gone up??

BAH

Julian Simon. Read him. Obey him. Or just shut the fark up.
/funny how he has been proven correct, year and year, decade after decade. but the chicken littles just keep squawking
 
2012-11-12 10:11:08 PM  
Subby?

The oil industry is doing well despite Obama's best efforts to kill it, not because of them.


So, seriously, FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
 
2012-11-13 06:25:21 AM  

DerekHoge: oil isnt going anywhere.


Yeah. Yeah it is. Well, not that we will run out or anything -- more precisely, supply will become increasingly unable to meet demand, especially with China and India's constantly increasing energy needs.

If we're smart we'll switch to new fuels because 1) they'll be much cheaper in the long run and 2) oil can be sold as a source of revenue instead of consuming it. Also, that energy independence thing is a crock of shiat. It will insulate us against the whims of the MidEast as far as supply goes, but oil is still a fungible commodity. We have to buy it off the market (or not sell it, which costs the same) no matter who produces it or where, and if the MidEast cuts off its supply prices will still skyrocket. The only real way to be energy independent is to not use oil.


mark12A: Hydrocarbon fuel is going to be around for hundreds of years to come. After shale gas comes shale oil, after that we make gasoline from coal, after that methane hydrates....


I bet we get algae biodiesel before any of that needs to be used.


mark12A: Wind will always be a bit player, and solar will only happen when we have a cheap way of storing it


I don't believe that about wind, especially not when we get high altitude wind power rolling. As for solar, there are ways to store energy. Solar thermal plants can use molten salt, packed rock, or perhaps a new method. The possibilities are endless, really.


mark12A: ECONOMICAL solar production of hydrogen. Could happen, but the physics say it ain't easy.


Nah, ittl happen. This is an issue of figuring out the physical chemistry, there is no inherent reason why it can't work. A prototype cell has just been invented that will convert sunlight directly into hydrogen using very cheap materials. It's crude at this point but that only makes it more likely that efficiency will go up significantly as they refine it.


namatad: Everyone knows that the US hit peak production in the 70s and the world hit peak production in the 00s.
So why have ANY of the numbers gone up??


They haven't -- none of the important ones anyway. U.S. production has only gone up compared to the early 2000s, it is still much lower than it was back in the 70's and 80's and the stuff we're extracting now is more difficult and energy intensive to get at. World production has basically flatlined for the past 6 or 7 years, which is what you'd expect near / at the top of a Gaussian curve. Even our newfound production doesn't help because the MidEast is dropping off significantly. We're walking along the summit, and when we step up on a random rock you take it as proof that we're not at the top yet. By all means, put your fingers in your ears, chant la la la and clutch desperately to the status quo, but like it or not, we're going to have to transition. Just be glad that in the future you'll be able to take advantage of the work of people with more foresight.
 
2012-11-13 08:16:54 AM  
should read "inspite of obama", private property drilling, how does it work?


Link

"The Interior Department on Friday issued a final plan to close 1.6 million acres of federal land in the West originally slated for oil shale development."
 
2012-11-13 08:23:02 AM  
I predict more earthquakes.
thesantosrepublic.com
 
2012-11-13 08:44:28 AM  
Obama getting credit for things Bush put into play? You don't say......
 
2012-11-13 12:37:13 PM  

Pick: Obama getting credit for things Bush put into play? You don't say......


People keep blaming Obama for Bush crashing the economy, so it balances out.
 
2012-11-13 01:38:10 PM  

GT_bike: Actually Obama and his buddy Buffet oppose it. That way we can help Buffet reap $47 billion in cash. Just his train operation (BNSF) is up wildly at 72% where he hauls coal, oil and sand. Coal to the power plants. Oil to the refiners. Sand to the Frackers.


There's this pipeline...called the Keystone Pipeline. Not the Keystone XL, just the Keystone. It's already in use and it's delivering oil from Canada to refineries in Illinois and Oklahoma. And no, we don't need the Keystone XL just because the Keystone is at capacity.
 
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