iheartscotch: udhq: iheartscotch: Someone who isn't a historical foot note in a textbook from the 60's actually made a classy decision?

/ unpossible

Yes, airing out your ex-husband's sexual inadequacy to the news media is certainly "classy".....

Was referring to the husband's refusal to do something, that I asume, felt demeaned his wife.

I was assuming it was because she opted for divorce instead of cheating.

I think we can guess the husbands Fark handle.

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 480x640]
She even went through the effort to color code it.

you should provide a color code and page/paragraph number for the rest of us k thx.

KatjaMouse: Maybe Santa should bring you a bunny flogger. It's good for newbies who are intimidated by leather and the idea of pain.


Not even if you begged me to use it on you. Do not want.

What happened to the recent thread with the photographs? The first one was of a scrawny unkrainian whore with aids and karposis lesions all over? Was that taken down? Anyway, using your logic, maybe we vanillas should all envy her? She looks like she has so much wonderful lovely pain, and she has had so much love.

/pitiful really.

WeenerGord: What happened to the recent thread with the photographs? The first one was of a scrawny unkrainian whore with aids and karposis lesions all over? Was that taken down? Anyway, using your logic, maybe we vanillas should all envy her? She looks like she has so much wonderful lovely pain, and she has had so much love.

I can't believe you're comparing consenting adults in relationships (whether coupled or NSA) who discuss boundaries and do the occasional trussing up and spanking to a victim of sex traffic.

Oh. Wait... I think I get it...

KatjaMouse: iheartscotch: udhq: iheartscotch: Someone who isn't a historical foot note in a textbook from the 60's actually made a classy decision?

/ unpossible

Yes, airing out your ex-husband's sexual inadequacy to the news media is certainly "classy".....

Was referring to the husband's refusal to do something, that I asume, felt demeaned his wife.

I was assuming it was because she opted for divorce instead of cheating.

That is also a valid point. Both are classy ways to deal with the issue.

/ although; they could have gone with the whole irreconcilable differences thing

If you didn't have the ability to explore your kink prior to being 41 and reading a shiatty novel, you can hardly blame your husband for everything. You were obviously a boring person who showed little interest in keeping your sex life alive up until that point.

Which doesn't mean you should be forced to stay married or anything, just that you ought to stand up and take equal responsibility for the lack of sexual fulfillment.

Headso: I'm personally not into bondage or any of that stuff but it's just a fetish like any other odd thing people might be into that gets them off. Does some guy jerking off to feet mean something beyond him jerking off to feet? If some chick likes to get spanked why does it have to mean something outside of just her liking to get spanked.

And this. You can't run around getting all Freudian with fetishes.

KatjaMouse: h. Wait... I think I get it...

Haha, the old "If they don't want me they must be gay" defense, lol.

How dare you suggest that ukrainian whore was trafficked? How do you know she wasn't fully in control of her consensual, NSA relationships? Just like you know the banker wife in TFA wasn't cheating?

KatjaMouse: Does everyone in this room like getting oral sex?

Probably.

Metraxis:

The truly sad thing is that this guy doesn't realize his own sexism. He has clearly abandoned the radical notion that women are people, and instead hews to an orthodoxy which holds that a human with a vagina is a victim by nature, and must be carefully protected from making politically wrong choices about her own body.

Um. NO.

I view women as people who for thousands of years have been victimized and encouraged to accept or even like it. Obviously it's still a rare woman who's stroing enough to resist that pressure -- which increases with every technological advance in "the Media" -- and I salute them.

Nor do I give a shiat what any adult does with their own body: if people insist on harming themselves or encouraging others to harm them they should be free to. Besides being basically socially libertarian, it gives me a bit of unfortunately pleasant schadenfreude to see people who are more farked in the head than I am; similarly, after feeling sad because it's proving hard to lose 30 extra pounds I can't help grinning at the sight of some guy who weighs 700 pounds being standed because his mobility scooter ran out of juice and his legs won't hold his weight.

In fact, if I gave freer reign to my "bad attitude" it would be easy to encourage these farked up people to get even worse off: it's so such easier to laugh at other people than to discipline myself. (That said, the only person who's allowed to "discipline" me is me: anybody else better be better armed.) You may regard my comments here as a slightly twisted kind of noblesse oblige, but one that would rather eliminate my sad noblesse. (In my egomaniacal moods I compare myself to Count Tolstoy the anarchist theoretician.)

But then I'm really not talking to you or die-hard devotees of "BDSM." The audience I hope to reach by this is people who are "on the fence," who feel drawn to that "lifestyle" but suspect they might deserve better, or who are looking for a way out of their degrading "personal life": they should be encouraged to do so, perhaps by reading feminist authors such as Susan Brownmiller and her colleagues of both sexes and many "orientations." (Most of whom by the way write more readably than I can manage, alas.) I'm tempted to construct a reading list but it's better to assume people are smart enough to use a search engine like Google, ain't it. 

As for you, please subscribe me to your Ignore list. Turn-about IS fair play.

WeenerGord: KatjaMouse: h. Wait... I think I get it...

Haha, the old "If they don't want me they must be gay" defense, lol.

How dare you suggest that ukrainian whore was trafficked? How do you know she wasn't fully in control of her consensual, NSA relationships? Just like you know the banker wife in TFA wasn't cheating?

plonk

Smackledorfer: KatjaMouse: Does everyone in this room like getting oral sex?

Probably.



Yay!

The One True TheDavid: Metraxis:

The truly sad thing is that this guy doesn't realize his own sexism. He has clearly abandoned the radical notion that women are people, and instead hews to an orthodoxy which holds that a human with a vagina is a victim by nature, and must be carefully protected from making politically wrong choices about her own body.

Um. NO.

I view women as people who for thousands of years have been victimized and encouraged to accept or even like it. Obviously it's still a rare woman who's stroing enough to resist that pressure -- which increases with every technological advance in "the Media" -- and I salute them.

Nor do I give a shiat what any adult does with their own body: if people insist on harming themselves or encouraging others to harm them they should be free to. Besides being basically socially libertarian, it gives me a bit of unfortunately pleasant schadenfreude to see people who are more farked in the head than I am; similarly, after feeling sad because it's proving hard to lose 30 extra pounds I can't help grinning at the sight of some guy who weighs 700 pounds being standed because his mobility scooter ran out of juice and his legs won't hold his weight.

In fact, if I gave freer reign to my "bad attitude" it would be easy to encourage these farked up people to get even worse off: it's so such easier to laugh at other people than to discipline myself. (That said, the only person who's allowed to "discipline" me is me: anybody else better be better armed.) You may regard my comments here as a slightly twisted kind of noblesse oblige, but one that would rather eliminate my sad noblesse. (In my egomaniacal moods I compare myself to Count Tolstoy the anarchist theoretician.)

But then I'm really not talking to you or die-hard devotees of "BDSM." The audience I hope to reach by this is people who are "on the fence," who feel drawn to that "lifestyle" but suspect they might deserve better, or who are looking for a way out of their degrading "personal life ...

Wow, someone has an unduly high opinion of himself. Yes, there are people abused that don't want or deserve it. You're in the wrong damned thread if you think that has anything to do with healthy BDSM.

I would love to have read a story from a male perspective...

"Your honor, I tried to re-ignite my sex life with my wife, but when I asked her to join me in recreating a scene from "Straight to the Ass Vol. 4", she refused. I believe this is unreasonable behavior and grounds for a divorce".

How do you think that would have gone over?

The Larch: The One True TheDavid:

Ugly fat chicks with no self respect will let you do all kinds of mean shiat to them just to get any attention at all. They'll even encourage it if you don't make them pay every time you order pizza.

They make you pay pay for your own pizza? You must have a very tiny penis.

Now that's funny. I needed a laugh.

Actually it's kind of Medium. But don't take my word: would you like to measure it?

DrunkenBob: Two submissives should never get married. Especially power bottoms. They'll be happier apart.

hasty ambush: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men:

Some people care way too much about what other folks do in their spare time.

and yet some people seem hell bent on making sure others know what they do in their spare time.

In MY spare time I hang out on Fark, and...

Anything more "intimate" is gonna cost ya.

Need to know what the chick looks like first.

If she looks like E.L. James, yeah, I wouldn't be too interested in spicing up the sex life either.

The One True TheDavid: Headso:

If some chick likes to get spanked why does it have to mean something outside of just her liking to get spanked.

"Why does she like to get spanked?" is the question. The next one is "What can be done to raise her self-esteem?"

Ass-uming a chick has low self esteem because she has a different fetish than you is pretty egotistical.

Headso: The One True TheDavid: Headso:

If some chick likes to get spanked why does it have to mean something outside of just her liking to get spanked.

"Why does she like to get spanked?" is the question. The next one is "What can be done to raise her self-esteem?"

Ass-uming a chick has low self esteem because she has a different fetish than you is pretty egotistical.

I think everyone who so much as enjoys procreation and procreation-related activities are just sad people with low self-esteem trying to a fill a void in their soul.

SquiggsIN:

Yes, there are people abused that don't want or deserve it. You're in the wrong damned thread if you think that has anything to do with healthy BDSM.

As I said earlier, '[m]any children who've been abused and/or molested grow up to think such behavior is normal and even sexy, and many children who didn't even get that kind of attention envy the ones who got Uncle Ernie's "love."'

Some fall in the first category, some in the second.

"Healthy BDSM?" Perhaps you're missing my point: there is no such thing.

Marriage is not about sex. It can be a wonderful part of it but if your marriage depends on sex you aren't in love and you both would be better off parting. It would be a biatch to be married for twenty years only to face a health problem that ends your sex life and have your spouse dump you because all you are to them is a moist hole or a hard ride. Damn people. If for better or worse or in sickness and health means nothing to you don't get married.

The One True TheDavid: foxyshadis: The One True TheDavid:

I'm very very serious.

Why do you believe that being a bisexual twink-chasing former transgender suddenly makes you an expert on all things alternative and kink? Your absurd pronouncements pulled from your ass and threadshiatting aren't creating any kind of discussion, so why bother?

Tell that to KatjaMouse, who showed us she can use the IMG tag.

I'm not a "former transgender" nor do I "chase twinks." You should read closer. And as far as "absurd pronouncements pulled from [my] ass" goes, I'm gratified that a few people out there dare to voice similar opinions; it gives me a wee bit of hope for our species' future.

So anyway. Why don't you click "Ignore this user" if you're so offended by my comments? Do you flatter yourself that I'd miss you?

So you make up shiat in other threads, and can't even keep track of it, for what? Sympathy? To impress people? I thought you were just insanely judgmental, but it turns out you're just a troll. You're right, bye.

Smackledorfer:

I think everyone who so much as enjoys procreation and procreation-related activities are just sad people with low self-esteem trying to a fill a void in their soul.

Actually so do I. But that's for a different thread, right?

BAMFinator: Hell I can't even get my wife to do it with the lights on.

Some people just don't like the spotlight.

DrunkenBob: Two submissives should never get married. Especially power bottoms. They'll be happier apart.

"Sexy Power Bottoms" is a good name for a girl band.

The One True TheDavid: SquiggsIN:

Yes, there are people abused that don't want or deserve it. You're in the wrong damned thread if you think that has anything to do with healthy BDSM.

As I said earlier, '[m]any children who've been abused and/or molested grow up to think such behavior is normal and even sexy, and many children who didn't even get that kind of attention envy the ones who got Uncle Ernie's "love."'

Some fall in the first category, some in the second.

"Healthy BDSM?" Perhaps you're missing my point: there is no such thing.

Arrogant? Check
Ignorant? Check
Judgmental? Check

You don't have to believe me but, there are thousands if not millions of people who disagree with you.
*If it weren't a thing it wouldn't exist, right.

My wife tells me the book is too poorly written to read.

We're good without it though.

Oh god... this thread...

Awww... princess isn't getting what it wants emotionally, physically, sexually,.... breaking my farking heart you hypocritical gash. I don't see a lot of men in the same situation being able to engage in the same type of legal/financial reciprocation....

Suck it up liberated cooze - we've heard you roar in numbers too big to ignore and now it's time to deal with real life.

SquiggsIN: You don't have to believe me but, there are thousands if not millions of people who disagree with you. *If it weren't a thing it wouldn't exist, right.

Yes it's a real thing, that does not make it a healthy real thing.

KatjaMouse: Oh god... this thread...

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They are pushing your buttons so well that I think you and the trolls ought to be using a safeword :P

Not to over-generalize, but every woman in history was/is a f*cking crazy loon with literal worms in her brain.

Do this once for sh*ts and giggles: Go to Craigslist - go to "Women Seeking Men" and simply count the number of ads that use the phrase "Grey" (as in 50 shades) or "Prince" (as in Prince Charming) or "Storybook Romance". Any of those is a strong indicator of what I call FID (Female Insanity Disorder). Now go back and check every ad that uses the term "BBW" (why not use the three-letter word that's honest? You know...FAT?). Now go back and mark every ad that says something like "Are there any REAL men?" or any other title that disdains men (while at the same time is SEEKING men) or similar. Now go back and see how many ads you have left. Pretty sparse, eh!

Basically it's genetic and is expressed solely in the female as it is present on all X chromosomes, while the Y chromosome has a gene to "shut off" the f*cking insanity gene -so it's never expressed in the male but always expressed in EVERY female.

Just ask Petreus (sp?).

Mija: Marriage is not about sex. It can be a wonderful part of it but if your marriage depends on sex you aren't in love and you both would be better off parting. It would be a biatch to be married for twenty years only to face a health problem that ends your sex life and have your spouse dump you because all you are to them is a moist hole or a hard ride. Damn people. If for better or worse or in sickness and health means nothing to you don't get married.

Sex is a basic human need, one of the best-known stress reducers, and masturbation works but only so long. There are still ways to please someone as an invalid (even dirty talk can work!), and the nuclear option is letting them get it elsewhere, but if you can't please them normally, won't or can't try other ways, and won't let them do anything to get off otherwise, then you've put that person that you say you love but really just want to control in an untenable position: Leave, cheat, or try to get into something you might not be interested in, like tantric meditation.

Plus, people often get divorced or break up because they grow in different directions, as seems to be the case here. I'm sure she still has love for her husband, but she's grown in a very different direction, and instead of making each others' lives miserable by trying to forcibly mold each other into what they've become, which means taking that misery out on everyone else around them as well, it's better for both to admit it, split, and find someone more compatible with whomever they've become. At early 40's, if they have any kids at all they're grown up. (Saw no mention of kids, which Daily Fail would automatically throw in as a salacious detail otherwise.)

foxyshadis: At early 40's, if they have any kids at all they're grown up.

Yea, there is no way anyone could have a kid after 30.

The One True TheDavid: Metraxis:

The truly sad thing is that this guy doesn't realize his own sexism. He has clearly abandoned the radical notion that women are people, and instead hews to an orthodoxy which holds that a human with a vagina is a victim by nature, and must be carefully protected from making politically wrong choices about her own body.

Um. NO.

I view women as people who for thousands of years have been victimized and encouraged to accept or even like it. Obviously it's still a rare woman who's stroing enough to resist that pressure -- which increases with every technological advance in "the Media" -- and I salute them.

Nor do I give a shiat what any adult does with their own body: if people insist on harming themselves or encouraging others to harm them they should be free to. Besides being basically socially libertarian, it gives me a bit of unfortunately pleasant schadenfreude to see people who are more farked in the head than I am; similarly, after feeling sad because it's proving hard to lose 30 extra pounds I can't help grinning at the sight of some guy who weighs 700 pounds being standed because his mobility scooter ran out of juice and his legs won't hold his weight.

In fact, if I gave freer reign to my "bad attitude" it would be easy to encourage these farked up people to get even worse off: it's so such easier to laugh at other people than to discipline myself. (That said, the only person who's allowed to "discipline" me is me: anybody else better be better armed.) You may regard my comments here as a slightly twisted kind of noblesse oblige, but one that would rather eliminate my sad noblesse. (In my egomaniacal moods I compare myself to Count Tolstoy the anarchist theoretician.)

But then I'm really not talking to you or die-hard devotees of "BDSM." The audience I hope to reach by this is people who are "on the fence," who feel drawn to that "lifestyle" but suspect they might deserve better, or who are looking for a way out of their degrading "personal life ...

For not giving a shiat about what peoplr do with their own bodies, he seems to have devoted an awful lot of words to it. You'll also note that he can't even defend the ideas he espouses, insisting that others read peope who can make this nonsense sound more reasonable. The problem though, is that it's not reasonable. It's not even new. It's just new wallpaper on the old idea that there is a 'right' way to have sex, and that deviation from this righteous path by two consenting and competent adults constitutes a crime against some god, or the people, or women, or whatever.

Based on the behavior, I'm going to guess that this guy is himself a victim of sorts, raised in a suburban environment among entirely his own kind and wholly unprepared for the kinds of BS you can find on a college campus. Someone called him a name for the crime of being a straight white guy with an insufficient guilt load and he fell for it. He probably even believes the things he types. it really is sad. If you want to see abuse that doesn't leave a mark you can see, it lies in making someone believe that they are bad, and in making them believe that this 'knowledge' makes them righteous.

The One True TheDavid: Metraxis:

The truly sad thing is that this guy doesn't realize his own sexism. He has clearly abandoned the radical notion that women are people, and instead hews to an orthodoxy which holds that a human with a vagina is a victim by nature, and must be carefully protected from making politically wrong choices about her own body.

Um. NO.

I view women as people who for thousands of years have been victimized and encouraged to accept or even like it. Obviously it's still a rare woman who's stroing enough to resist that pressure -- which increases with every technological advance in "the Media" -- and I salute them.

Nor do I give a shiat what any adult does with their own body: if people insist on harming themselves or encouraging others to harm them they should be free to. Besides being basically socially libertarian, it gives me a bit of unfortunately pleasant schadenfreude to see people who are more farked in the head than I am; similarly, after feeling sad because it's proving hard to lose 30 extra pounds I can't help grinning at the sight of some guy who weighs 700 pounds being standed because his mobility scooter ran out of juice and his legs won't hold his weight.

In fact, if I gave freer reign to my "bad attitude" it would be easy to encourage these farked up people to get even worse off: it's so such easier to laugh at other people than to discipline myself. (That said, the only person who's allowed to "discipline" me is me: anybody else better be better armed.) You may regard my comments here as a slightly twisted kind of noblesse oblige, but one that would rather eliminate my sad noblesse. (In my egomaniacal moods I compare myself to Count Tolstoy the anarchist theoretician.)

But then I'm really not talking to you or die-hard devotees of "BDSM." The audience I hope to reach by this is people who are "on the fence," who feel drawn to that "lifestyle" but suspect they might deserve better, or who are looking for a way out of their degrading "personal life ...

Out of sheer curiosity, have you been diagnosed with a mental illness? You mention egomaniacal moods, antidepressants, being farked in the head, and other things that cause me to wonder. Not that it affects your argument, but it seems like it would provide insight to your reasoning.

I'm curious, what do you think of fetishes such as Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish? Or a schoolgirl fetish? Or a french maid fetish? Or a bacon fetish? (Yes, it exists).

Is anything that isn't missionary position an artifact of the years of misogyny affecting women or just BDSM? I mean you claim for thousands of years that women have been encouraged to accept BDSM (I assume that's what you mean by it) or other things. While most society has been patriarchal in nature, how does that comport with any of the myriad of matriarchal societies where women were in control? How does trying to empower women agree with your "twisted noblesse oblige"?

/Not a personal fan of BDSM, but everyone has their fetishes

Metraxis: I'm going to guess that this guy is himself a victim of sorts,

I would have just summed it up as "troll" especially after he agreed with my sarcasm-thick hyperbole above.

SquiggsIN: Like with many other subjects, you're an ignorant judgmental idiot. One that I'll no longer be reading.

I think a bunch of us are being trolled.

KatjaMouse: Nothing quite like having the blood flow being brought up to the surface. Makes one more sensitive to slight touch.

This made me think of cutters who cut their skin with razor blades just to be able to feel something, anything..

People who cut because something is wrong or something has happened to them and they don't know how else to handle how they feel. Many of them have been abused, sexually, physically, or mentally. Some do it because they feel numb and want to feel the pain or just feel something. Others do it to punish themselves for something that they've done. The cuts range from little scratches that barely bleed to life threatening cuts or burns. Overall, its a way for someone who doesn't know what to do to express themselves.

but the second definition is hilarious

None of these other entries of emo cutters are real they all were probably made by no-lifed steroetypes who don't understand anything about emos or cutters.

LOL!  Just like this thread!

/ A hot bath would get blood to the surface without the humiliation of submitting to a flogging, of course. Why not just proudly proclaim that you get off on the humiliation of being abused?

fozziewazzi: I would love to have read a story from a male perspective...

"Your honor, I tried to re-ignite my sex life with my wife, but when I asked her to join me in recreating a scene from "Straight to the Ass Vol. 4", she refused. I believe this is unreasonable behavior and grounds for a divorce".

How do you think that would have gone over?

He would have been crucified by the media. Anyone who watches porn is a dirty pervert and deserves to be institutionalized.

SquiggsIN: This goes right back to where most arguments go.

People who don't understand something are criticizing it and telling people that they are wrong for engaging in it. BDSM isn't for every one but, for some people it is an extremely rewarding outlet for meeting their needs. You can't put everyone into the same box because as with everything there are varying extremes even within what most outsiders would desire to lump together as one.

There are sadists, there are masochists, there are people who absolutely need to be on one end or the other and it doesn't have much at all to do with the self-esteem they hold outside of their sexual lives.

My advice to most of you is this : If you aren't involved and don't want to be, shut up and stop criticizing. If you are involved and love it, don't expect the close-minded to accept it. If you're anywhere else, then you might have a problem. I don't endorse relationships where there are activities that aren't consensual.

So, someone doesn't like beating others or being beaten for sexual gratification and this automatically deems them "close minded".. ? Well ok then.

WeenerGord: KatjaMouse: Nothing quite like having the blood flow being brought up to the surface. Makes one more sensitive to slight touch.

This made me think of cutters who cut their skin with razor blades just to be able to feel something, anything..

People who cut because something is wrong or something has happened to them and they don't know how else to handle how they feel. Many of them have been abused, sexually, physically, or mentally. Some do it because they feel numb and want to feel the pain or just feel something. Others do it to punish themselves for something that they've done. The cuts range from little scratches that barely bleed to life threatening cuts or burns. Overall, its a way for someone who doesn't know what to do to express themselves.

but the second definition is hilarious

None of these other entries of emo cutters are real they all were probably made by no-lifed steroetypes who don't understand anything about emos or cutters.

LOL!  Just like this thread!

/ A hot bath would get blood to the surface without the humiliation of submitting to a flogging, of course. Why not just proudly proclaim that you get off on the humiliation of being abused?

You're just begging to get spanked!

Homosexuality icks me out. Therefore gays are evil and have no self-esteem.

This thread helps me remember why social conservatives need to be wiped from the face of the earth, for the good of mankind.

jfivealive: You're just begging to get spanked!

Oh, some people in this thread are begging for that, but not me. It's Katyamouse, Squiggy, Odd Ball and a few other freaks in this thread that you should be exchanging phone numbers with, nttawwt, Well, there is, but apparantly that's just my opinion, and I'm a big bad troll for suggesting that abuse is bad, mmkay.

I'm seeing a whole lot of "myself, about ten years ago, before I really understood" in this thread. It's really very enlightening.

WeenerGord: jfivealive: You're just begging to get spanked!

Oh, some people in this thread are begging for that, but not me. It's Katyamouse, Squiggy, Odd Ball and a few other freaks in this thread that you should be exchanging phone numbers with, nttawwt, Well, there is, but apparantly that's just my opinion, and I'm a big bad troll for suggesting that abuse is bad, mmkay.

Nah, you just don't seem to be able to either analogize or emphasize. Nothing wrong with that. Plenty of people have this problem.

That, and perhaps a better understanding of science and normal variations of human sexuality. That's less of a mental issue, and more of an educational issue. Nothing much wrong with that either. Plenty of people have holes in their knowledge that lead to unexamined beliefs that crash up against reality every so often. Fetishes of any sort are generally harmless. BDSM is a fetish involving two (or more) consenting adults who receive sexual satisfaction from sadomasochistic activities. That's not abuse, by any stretch of the imagination. Labeling it abuse does a disservice to those who have actually suffered abuse and provides a justification for the abusers by allowing them to rationalize their actions as consensual. I'm sure that's not your intent. Such logical fallacies as involving children or animals ignores the requirements that a party to any sexual act be able to give informed consent.

The real question is, why do you find yourself so averse to this particular fetish? I might assume, and I do hope I'm correct, that you don't have a problem with any of the more mainstream fetishes such as role-play, costumes, toys, or any of the other "tamer" fetishes. If you do have such a problem, then I have to assume that you don't understand what a healthy sexual anything is, and we can go our separate ways. However, if you don't, then why do you have a problem with this particular fetish? Is it a lack of understanding? Does it scare you? Does it remind you of personal abuse? Is it something you're interested in, but your social mores prevent you from indulging yourself so you rail against it?

Reasonable people can disagree, however, reasonable people tend to have to agree on reality, and I tend to trust the psychological professionals when it comes to what is healthy sexual fetish. After all, I doubt that anyone could find that a man who finds a woman more sexually arousing in a corset, high heels, or stockings has an abnormal fetish. The same thing can be said of healthy BDSM. So why do you have a problem?

Mega Steve: fozziewazzi: I would love to have read a story from a male perspective...

"Your honor, I tried to re-ignite my sex life with my wife, but when I asked her to join me in recreating a scene from "Straight to the Ass Vol. 4", she refused. I believe this is unreasonable behavior and grounds for a divorce".

How do you think that would have gone over?

He would have been crucified by the media. Anyone who watches porn is a dirty pervert and deserves to be institutionalized.

Part of the larger societal views on sex - erotica that appeals to men is dirty and damaging. Erotica that appeals to women promotes a healthy sex life.

Saruman_W: So, someone doesn't like beating others or being beaten for sexual gratification and this automatically deems them "close minded".. ? Well ok then.


It's perfectly fine to not engage in such action. It's perfectly fine to not like or enjoy such actions should you attempt them. Not everyone enjoys getting or giving pain but, there are some who do. There are some who crave the submission or domination aspect of the act above the pain transference.

If a person cannot realize that their viewpoint theirs and that others may have different opinions then absolutely they are close-minded. It is not okay to flat out tell people that they are wrong for not feeling the same way that you do.