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(RedState)   Last month: if Obama is re-elected, this country will drive over a fiscal cliff. This month: what cliff?   (redstate.com) divider line 174
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2012-11-12 10:11:31 AM  
The fiscal cliff essentially reveals what utter frauds almost all deficit hawks are. That's been its primary function so far.
 
2012-11-12 10:19:33 AM  
Done in one.
 
2012-11-12 10:21:07 AM  
By all means, slam the gas!
 
2012-11-12 10:21:24 AM  
If only the House - you know, where all tax and spending bills must originate - had done anything since January 2011 to deal with spending or taxation beyond the last short-term deal.

Hey, who has been running that half of Congress, anyway?
 
2012-11-12 10:22:00 AM  
...the cliff the Republicans wanted in the first place? Y'know, the same one that also caused the credit downgrade?
 
2012-11-12 10:23:19 AM  
Representative John Boehner (R-OH) claimed that the Republican party received "98%" of what was desired following the debt ceiling negotiation. The "fiscal cliff" is a result of the debt ceiling negotiation. As such, at least 98% of the "fiscal cliff" was desired by the Republican party; for what reason, then, did they ever decry its existence?
 
2012-11-12 10:25:13 AM  
You mean that problem Congress is facing that is of Congress' own making? The one that they now have to pass SOMETHING to fix - and something good, too. Obama's using the veto-o-nator on any stopgaps - or else everyone sees higher taxes? The one that will likely result in the GOP capitulating on one or more parts of party dogma (now that they're "open to revenues")?

That's less a "cliff" and more the politico-rhetorical equivalent of falling into bed with every starlet from every time period that you've ever had so much as a crush on looking her very best in that sexy little number, just waiting to fulfill whatever desire you have.

Obama may not get everything he wants, but it'll only be because he's tired at that point.

// I'm not really this optimistic, but every time I follow a course of action in my head, it ends with "big Obama win"
// so I can't wait to see what amazing derpjitsu the GOP pulls out to make the FAIL that much...failier
 
2012-11-12 10:25:19 AM  
Deficit hawk is a long-standing euphemism for granny starver. The fiscal cliff [sic] exposes this truth more clearly than usual.
 
2012-11-12 10:25:55 AM  

Dimensio: Representative John Boehner (R-OH) claimed that the Republican party received "98%" of what was desired following the debt ceiling negotiation. The "fiscal cliff" is a result of the debt ceiling negotiation. As such, at least 98% of the "fiscal cliff" was desired by the Republican party; for what reason, then, did they ever decry its existence?


Its existence does not make Obama look bad.
 
2012-11-12 10:26:58 AM  
We should prevent Obama driving us off this cliff by making it illegal for black people to drive.
 
2012-11-12 10:28:13 AM  
Dems have the leverage. they can let the Bush tax cuts expire. then put up a bill to restore them for the
 
2012-11-12 10:29:12 AM  
fta Last week I posted two essays (here | here) on why I believe the best way for the GOP to address the wildly misnamed "Fiscal Cliff" is to walk away. The impact of doing so, according to the CBO, will be a temporary downturn in the economy which will make the economy stronger in the long run.

I guess I'm out of the loop on this one. I thought everybody knew this already.
 
2012-11-12 10:29:31 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Dems have the leverage. they can let the Bush tax cuts expire. then put up a bill to restore them for the


Exactly right. If they don't simply say this to the GOP and then walk away, they are massive dumbasses.
 
2012-11-12 10:29:33 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Dems have the leverage. they can let the Bush tax cuts expire. then put up a bill to restore them for the less than 250k/yr. if the GOP balks then it's on them


ftfm stupid tags lol
 
2012-11-12 10:29:55 AM  
My expectation is that we'll end up with a "grand bargain" that extends the Bush tax cuts through 2014 and increases spending across the entire government. In short, a spineless repeat of the Obama-McConnell Debt Increase of 2010. The politicos will pat themselves on the backs and we'll slide further and further into debt.
 
2012-11-12 10:30:39 AM  
Redstate being disingenuous? The Hell you say.
 
2012-11-12 10:32:26 AM  
And, of course, to save yourself from the cliff, you need to burn your car.
 
2012-11-12 10:32:48 AM  
We should blow up the parliament.
 
2012-11-12 10:33:34 AM  
Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that. We do need to address fiscal issues, and a package that raised taxes, gradually, over a multi-year period starting say, 5 years out, would not be the worst thing in the world.
 
2012-11-12 10:33:35 AM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-11-12 10:33:38 AM  

sprawl15: We should prevent Obama driving us off this cliff by making it illegal for black people to drive.


you can't do that. the who would drive old white women around town?
 
2012-11-12 10:34:37 AM  

DamnYankees: Hobodeluxe: Dems have the leverage. they can let the Bush tax cuts expire. then put up a bill to restore them for the

Exactly right. If they don't simply say this to the GOP and then walk away, they are massive dumbasses.


I don't want to speak ill of my own party, but c'mon, man. We're Democrats. We'll figure out a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
2012-11-12 10:35:40 AM  

bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.


The last thing our economy needs now is inflation.
 
2012-11-12 10:35:44 AM  

bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.


A gunpowder plot, you say?
 
2012-11-12 10:36:15 AM  

Hunter_Worthington: Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that. We do need to address fiscal issues, and a package that raised taxes, gradually, over a multi-year period starting say, 5 years out, would not be the worst thing in the world.


Yeah the Democrats would be wise to put this off for 5 years so the next GOP candidate can make hay out of it in his election campaign.

Nope.
 
2012-11-12 10:36:41 AM  

Notabunny: bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.

A gunpowder plot, you say?


Wait... we missed the deadline on that. Need to wait til next year.
I didn't remember remember the fifth of November.
 
2012-11-12 10:36:50 AM  

that bosnian sniper: ...the cliff the Republicans wanted in the first place? Y'know, the same one that also caused the credit downgrade?


That was the debt ceiling. That was when the Republicans wanted to slash the deficit. The "fiscal cliff" will actually cut the deficit, but now they don't want that anymore because they realize it's a bad time to do it when the economy is still weak. Or because they don't want their defense contractor donors to lose out.
 
2012-11-12 10:37:16 AM  

Hunter_Worthington: Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that.


As compared to RedState's writing which is universally potato.
 
2012-11-12 10:38:10 AM  

ManateeGag: sprawl15: We should prevent Obama driving us off this cliff by making it illegal for black people to drive.

you can't do that. the who would drive old white women around town?


Morgan Freeman?
 
2012-11-12 10:39:03 AM  
OMG he's drinking champagne! Elitist!
 
2012-11-12 10:39:51 AM  

Hobodeluxe: [imageshack.us image 610x344]


Can you Photoshop Toonces the Driving Cat on there? That would be awesome.
 
2012-11-12 10:41:12 AM  

bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.


assets.rollingstone.com
Fool, you don't know what you even talking about. We blow up every time we on stage
 
2012-11-12 10:42:05 AM  
I was told in 2010 that it would be unfair of any congressman voted out of office to exercise their vote in the lame duck session. I am sure all Republicans voted out of office will abstain from voting on any fiscal cliff bills.
 
2012-11-12 10:43:19 AM  

DamnYankees: If they don't simply say this to the GOP and then walk away, they are massive dumbasses.


I hope you're already preparing for when the Democrats agree to a full extension of the Bush tax cuts, no defense spending cuts, and massive Medicare/entitlement reform early next year (after the requisite OMG EXTENSION through the holidays).

There may be a partial repeal of some aspects of Obamacare in there, too.
 
2012-11-12 10:44:50 AM  

Fart_Machine: Hunter_Worthington: Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that.

As compared to RedState's writing which is universally potato.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure their servers are kept in Idaho. Erik Erikson is probably cashing in on some farm subsidies from that site.

HotWingConspiracy: Hunter_Worthington: Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that. We do need to address fiscal issues, and a package that raised taxes, gradually, over a multi-year period starting say, 5 years out, would not be the worst thing in the world.

Yeah the Democrats would be wise to put this off for 5 years so the next GOP candidate can make hay out of it in his election campaign.

Nope.


I hadn't thought about it in those terms, I was thinking making tiny, continual changes over a long period of time after (too damned much time) worked our way through the housing and state/local government issues, private RGDP growth would be sufficiently strong to absorb gradually rising tax rates without impacting consumption and investment decisions too much. And, because they're some medium term out, households and firms could build those changes into their spending/investing plans.
 
2012-11-12 10:45:01 AM  

Publikwerks: bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.

[assets.rollingstone.com image 304x304]
Fool, you don't know what you even talking about. We blow up every time we on stage


Word
 
2012-11-12 10:46:02 AM  
Going over the fiscal cliff would be an awful way for Obama to start his second term.

He already has enough to deal with, inheriting the Obama economy.
 
2012-11-12 10:46:54 AM  
It's great to see the right acknowledge that deficit reduction is counter-productive to growing the economy
 
2012-11-12 10:47:33 AM  

Arkanaut: The "fiscal cliff" will actually cut the deficit, but now they don't want that anymore because they realize it's a bad time to do it when the economy is still weak. Or because they don't want their defense contractor donors to lose out.


It's that one. They don't give a rats ass about the economy, particularly since they can just blame it on Obama and people will buy it and keep electing them.
 
2012-11-12 10:48:54 AM  
The process is simple:

1) Give the Republicans a much-publicized chance to avoid the cliff
2) Watch them drive over it
3) Dems to the rescue! Pass stimulus and cut middle-class taxes
4) Remind Dem voters they saved the day
5) Remind Repub voters they broke the Norquist pledge

The problem is that the Obama team hasn't been terribly good at sending out their message. If they are going to succeed here, they need to really drive this home as a product of the Republicans.
 
2012-11-12 10:50:11 AM  

Cinaed: Notabunny: bwilson27: We should blow up the parliament.

A gunpowder plot, you say?

Wait... we missed the deadline on that. Need to wait til next year.
I didn't remember remember the fifth of November.


settle down you Guys
 
2012-11-12 10:50:19 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The problem is that the Obama team hasn't been terribly good at sending out their message.


This is what I don't understand. Why can they get their message out during a campaign, but they take a back seat on message when governing? It allows the GOP to run the conversation on everything and Obama always seems to be on the defensive.
 
2012-11-12 10:52:29 AM  

Cletus C.: Going over the fiscal cliff would be an awful way for Obama to start his second term.

He already has enough to deal with, inheriting the Obama economy.


Yeah, keep up that narrative. It went over so very well with voters.

I'm sure it'll win next time, you betcha!
 
2012-11-12 10:52:37 AM  
Last month: if Obama is re-elected, this country will drive over a fiscal cliff. This month: what cliff?

was that a thing?
 
2012-11-12 10:52:49 AM  

Hunter_Worthington: Red State makes a good point here, the quality of Krugman's nonacademic writing varies wildly. I don't think anyone ever tells him that. We do need to address fiscal issues, and a package that raised taxes, gradually, over a multi-year period starting say, 5 years out, would not be the worst thing in the world.


I might even consider the merits of said point if the author hadn't prefaced the excerpt by giving Krugman the moniker of "all around Obama fluffer."
 
2012-11-12 10:54:13 AM  

bulldg4life: whizbangthedirtfarmer: The problem is that the Obama team hasn't been terribly good at sending out their message.

This is what I don't understand. Why can they get their message out during a campaign, but they take a back seat on message when governing? It allows the GOP to run the conversation on everything and Obama always seems to be on the defensive.


It's because they pay good money to get their message out during the campaigns. Overall, the guys that own the media aren't friends of the Democratic party when the Democrats are focused on making the standard of living better for the average American.
 
2012-11-12 10:54:28 AM  
They should start calling it the Republican Fiscal Cliff.
 
2012-11-12 10:54:49 AM  
A deal against your own interests is not a deal, it is capitulation.

And there we have the teabagger problem summed up nicely. Compromise = Surrender.

Heck, maybe in 2014 their antics can give dems a Senate supermajority and lose them the House as well!
 
2012-11-12 10:55:07 AM  

skullkrusher: Last month: if Obama is re-elected, this country will drive over a fiscal cliff. This month: what cliff?

was that a thing?


Everything before the election was a thing.
 
2012-11-12 10:55:46 AM  

KarmicDisaster: They should start calling it the Republican Fiscal Cliff.


The Republicliff?
 
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