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(Townhall)   When the only message blacks and Latinos get is from left wing politicians and media telling them they need government to take care of them, what can we expect but what we just saw in this election?   (townhall.com) divider line 194
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2012-11-12 08:13:27 AM
If only there were vacant properties in inner cities where a Republican campaign operation might secure temporary office space from which to launch campaign operations in said inner cities.
 
2012-11-12 08:15:54 AM
We're here if you need us is not the equivalent of you need us because we're here.
 
2012-11-12 08:21:47 AM
Yeah, telling people they're too stupid to listen to "the truth" ought to work well.
 
2012-11-12 08:27:21 AM
You lost.
Suck it.
 
2012-11-12 08:29:48 AM
Keep doubling down on this, republicans. It's sure to turn into a winning argument any day now.
 
2012-11-12 08:30:43 AM
Why won't these awful brown people pull themselves up by their farm subsidies, like Real Americans?
 
2012-11-12 08:32:32 AM
This column started out pretty sane for Townhall, admitting that the GOP is tone-deaf and needs to go back to the drawing board.

And then she opens the jar of stupid sauce. Too many things here to address this early in the morning. Might be back after a bloody mary.
 
2012-11-12 08:43:35 AM
And when the only message blacks and Latinos get from Republicans is "you're not part of Real America" you lose elections.
 
2012-11-12 08:43:47 AM
TownDerp, no clicky.

I'd rather read what Bat-Boy is up to.
 
2012-11-12 08:44:06 AM
What Left Wing?
 
2012-11-12 08:44:55 AM
When the only message blacks and latinos get from republicans is to call them racist freeloaders they are never going to support you. But go n and pander to them by all of the sudden supporting immigration reform. That shouldn't insult them even further. No not at all.
 
2012-11-12 08:47:05 AM
So the response from Republicans when confronted with reality is to...make up their own reality again?

Smart.
 
2012-11-12 08:50:17 AM

cameroncrazy1984: So the response from Republicans when confronted with reality is to...make up their own reality again?

Smart.


The echo chamber may have developed a crack, but they are very quickly sealing it back up.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:44 AM
Keep stuffing turd in that turducken, Townhall...

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-12 08:55:03 AM
The solution then is to force them to watch FOX News. Clearly.
 
2012-11-12 09:09:36 AM
It's not the only message that they're getting. The issue is that the other message that they're getting is one that sees jobs evaporate, that their very skin makes them suspect, and that they ought to go back "home"...
 
2012-11-12 09:10:24 AM
can we get and over/under on how long the butthurt will last?

Which will happen first, power restored 100% in NJ or Republican butthurt will end. I'm thinking the power thing.
 
2012-11-12 09:15:21 AM

ManateeGag: can we get and over/under on how long the butthurt will last?

Which will happen first, power restored 100% in NJ or Republican butthurt will end. I'm thinking the power thing.


Republicans are still butthurt over the LAST election.
 
2012-11-12 09:33:41 AM
When the only message blacks and Latinos whites get is from left right wing politicians and media telling them they need government to take care of them cut taxes, what can we expect but what we just saw in this election?

Adjusted the headline to what the right wing thinks.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:01 AM
How about all republicans break out the spray on tan!
Learn some pidgin Spanish.
Be seen eating tacos and burritos.

I bet that will work. Hispanics will all become republican!
 
2012-11-12 09:36:21 AM
Oh! Oh! And what happens when all they hear from the right is that whites are a minority now and that America is over because a bunch of "takers" are in charge now?
 
2012-11-12 09:36:44 AM

AirForceVet: When the only message blacks and Latinos whites get is from left right wing politicians and media telling them they need government to take care of them cut taxes, what can we expect but what we just saw in this election?

Adjusted the headline to what the right wing thinks.


Those aren't entitlements. Those are obligations.
 
2012-11-12 09:41:43 AM

Mentat: Oh! Oh! And what happens when all they hear from the right is that whites are a minority now and that America is over because a bunch of "takers" are in charge now?


All while the economy continues to improve and Obama cuts the deficit.
 
2012-11-12 09:42:11 AM

Dinki: cameroncrazy1984: So the response from Republicans when confronted with reality is to...make up their own reality again?

Smart.

The echo chamber may have developed a crack, but they are very quickly sealing it back up.


For a brief time there when Karl Rove was having his live meltdown, I thought that Fox News viewers might begin to realize, now given prima facia evidence, that they had been systematically deceived for all these years.

Alas, I don't think it was meant to be.
 
2012-11-12 09:43:43 AM

Mentat: Oh! Oh! And what happens when all they hear from the right is that whites are a minority now and that America is over because a bunch of "takers" are in charge now?


"Well, that's kind of insulting. But you know what? It's good to be the king."

My uncle is beside himself. My cousin told me he said, "And you know what this means? Next it will be a woman. Then it will be a spic." As if there were anything self-evidently wrong with either of those.

And to make matters worse, my uncle is second-generation Swedish American. He's one level removed from being an immigrant himself. But he's white (really white) so it's OK.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:32 AM

hubiestubert: It's not the only message that they're getting. The issue is that the other message that they're getting is one that sees jobs evaporate, that their very skin makes them suspect, and that they ought to go back "home"...


You're getting all libby on me, hubie.
 
2012-11-12 10:09:58 AM
Poor white people don't exist.
 
2012-11-12 10:13:02 AM
Keep it up.
 
2012-11-12 10:17:06 AM
Looks like Townhall has completely missed the point. Again.
 
2012-11-12 10:30:57 AM
I'm just saying THOSE PEOPLE should consider themselves lucky. Many sparkly eagle gifs were posted by the brave 101st chairborne so them there minorities could be getting free stuff. After all, TV wouldn't lie to me - it's all about free stuff.
 
2012-11-12 10:32:26 AM
I hate to interupt all the spikings of the many footballs here, but there is a reason why the head line is correct.

Go to this Link. http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.jsp?ind=14&cat=1

The poverty rate for Blacks and Hispanics in the United States is between 33-35 percent. It's 13 percent for whites. If you are below the poverty line, it makes sense you'd vote for the party that consistently promises to give you assistance. It makes perfect sense to me that a black person or a hispanic person would vote for a democrat - they are more likely to be poor in this nation and want help. Democrats offer a direct line to help. Republicans offer a less direct method of "job creation" type fixes that take a bit longer to reach them.

Laugh all you want, but the cause and effect here is clearly defined.
 
2012-11-12 10:40:21 AM
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That poor chicken.
 
2012-11-12 10:44:57 AM

bradkanus: If you are below the poverty line, it makes sense you'd vote for the party that consistently promises to give you assistance. It makes perfect sense to me that a black person or a hispanic person would vote for a democrat - they are more likely to be poor in this nation and want help. Democrats offer a direct line to help. Republicans offer a less direct method of "job creation" type fixes that take a bit longer to reach them.


I dunno, a job seems like a pretty direct way of getting off the dole.

People can quibble with the specifics in TFA, but in general it's right - the GOP can't simply blow off minority votes because it's too time- and cash- intensive to chase votes in neighborhoods that will only give them maybe 15-20 percent of the vote.

Sure, they might not ever even come close to beating a Maxine Waters in a congressional election, but that's not the point - the point is to pull just enough minority votes to put a lot more states in play for them.

Heck, it's even possible for a Republican to win in a hugely Democratic area. NYC voter registration is 5:1 Democratic and yet Rudy Giuliani was elected and re-elected there.

But that won't happen for the national GOP if they don't even bother showing up.
 
2012-11-12 10:47:43 AM
My parents recently visited me out here in Los Angeles. I expect racist remarks from my dad, but my sweet, quiet mother was the one who shocked me this time. We're at a museum and a shiatload of schoolkids were there. My mom says very quietly, "Look at them, none of them are white. No wonder this country is in the shiatter." I was seriously horrified and called her out on it.

/Both are democrats, too.
 
2012-11-12 10:48:54 AM

bradkanus: I hate to interupt all the spikings of the many footballs here, but there is a reason why the head line is correct.

Go to this Link. http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.jsp?ind=14&cat=1

The poverty rate for Blacks and Hispanics in the United States is between 33-35 percent. It's 13 percent for whites. If you are below the poverty line, it makes sense you'd vote for the party that consistently promises to give you assistance. It makes perfect sense to me that a black person or a hispanic person would vote for a democrat - they are more likely to be poor in this nation and want help. Democrats offer a direct line to help. Republicans offer a less direct method of "job creation" type fixes that take a bit longer to reach them.

Laugh all you want, but the cause and effect here is clearly defined.


You come close to making a decent point, but you are ascribing a motive to the numbers, and the facts for that are not in evidence in this context. You're begging the question. I could just as easily say that the numbers are due to the exclusionary position of Republicans with regard to those communities.
 
2012-11-12 10:57:36 AM
I dunno, a job seems like a pretty direct way of getting off the dole.

People can quibble with the specifics in TFA, but in general it's right - the GOP can't simply blow off minority votes because it's too time- and cash- intensive to chase votes in neighborhoods that will only give them maybe 15-20 percent of the vote.

Sure, they might not ever even come close to beating a Maxine Waters in a congressional election, but that's not the point - the point is to pull just enough minority votes to put a lot more states in play for them.

Heck, it's even possible for a Republican to win in a hugely Democratic area. NYC voter registration is 5:1 Democratic and yet Rudy Giuliani was elected and re-elected there.

But that won't happen for the national GOP if they don't even bother showing up.


Winning the minority vote for republicans, or getting more than they are getting now is simply a matter of time for some groups. In Texas you see a lot of the third and fourth generation Latinos starting to cut toward the Republican party. The Texas Republicans put something like 7 hispanic reps in the house that year - more than the democrats had ever done in one election. The recurring theme among them and the growing number of Latino republicans in Texas has been time + education + success = conservative voter.

It's not easy to arrive in American from another place and automatically be in a position to afford the high cost of Americna living. You think going from Jackson Mississippi to San Fran is a cost of living shock - try going from anywhere in Mexico to anywhere in America. If there is help for these people offered by the government - they are going to take it. They are not stupid. They will also support the people who offer that help. It's not rocket science.

Eventually they won't be poor - the Latinos, that is. Unfortunately, Blacks have been put into government run ghettos far from jobs and good schools. Generation after generation of Blacks have been segregated - at first by racists and then by the Federal Housing Authority. They have never had a chance. All they can do is vote for those who will help them survive.
 
2012-11-12 11:01:27 AM

hubiestubert: It's not the only message that they're getting. The issue is that the other message that they're getting is one that sees jobs evaporate, that their very skin makes them suspect, and that they ought to go back "home"...


This. In a sense, they aren't voting FOR a party that is in their interests as much as they are voting AGAINST a party that is unashamedly hostile to their interests.
 
2012-11-12 11:01:57 AM

You come close to making a decent point, but you are ascribing a motive to the numbers, and the facts for that are not in evidence in this context. You're begging the question. I could just as easily say that the numbers are due to the exclusionary position of Republicans with regard to those communities.


I think my party - republicans - have excluded these groups with their outlook on welfare and other governmental programs that help/maintain these people. If welfare cuts and means testing and other measures are a part of the republican's platform, then it's exclusionary to these people. However, the republican party is very diverse - we had both a female and an African American running for president and nobody had a problem with it. We have many minorities representing the party in elected office across the nation.
 
2012-11-12 11:09:36 AM
Corporate profits skyrocketing, worker's wages stagnant or even going down a bit.

So the obvious solution to this problem is to vote for the party that wants to give more power to the corporations and less to the workers.

Makes sense.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:38 AM
In a column I wrote a month ago, I noted: "What was once the exception to the rule in America - not being white, not being married, not have traditional views on family, sex, and abortion - is becoming the rule. And these constituencies are becoming sufficiently large to elect a president."

And? If that's what people are doing, that's what people are doing. Stop trying to drag your feet and let people be whatever they want to be.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:06 AM

jaylectricity: In a column I wrote a month ago, I noted: "What was once the exception to the rule in America - not being white, not being married, not have traditional views on family, sex, and abortion - is becoming the rule. And these constituencies are becoming sufficiently large to elect a president."

And? If that's what people are doing, that's what people are doing. Stop trying to drag your feet and let people be whatever they want to be.


No! It is unique now! This is the first time in American history that communities that were once reviled became integrated into the whole and eventually swayed national politics and took positions of high power! UNPRECEDENTED!!!

/kiss me i'm irish
 
2012-11-12 11:30:03 AM

jaylectricity: And? If that's what people are doing, that's what people are doing. Stop trying to drag your feet and let people be whatever they want to be.


Not the point. The trouble the GOP has run into with religious conservatives is that their message makes a lot more sense in the general culture (screwing around has real world consequences) than it does when you try to write legislation around it (we're going to make damn sure screwing around has real-world consequences). Not for nothing is the general trend in unintended pregnancies downward. The one spot where it hasn't been trending that way is not in teenage girls, but adult women who already have had at least one kid. At least that's the last I saw from Guttmacher.
 
2012-11-12 12:06:39 PM
It's a ClownHall article, so it must be right!

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2012-11-12 12:06:39 PM

bradkanus: However, the republican party is very diverse - we had both a female and an African American running for president and nobody had a problem with it.


Your party is so diverse, you have exactly two examples of diversity!
 
2012-11-12 12:07:12 PM

bradkanus: The poverty rate for Blacks and Hispanics in the United States is between 33-35 percent. It's 13 percent for whites. If you are below the poverty line, it makes sense you'd vote for the party that consistently promises to give you assistance.


Hey look, the same old shiatty racist trolling.
 
2012-11-12 12:07:15 PM
That's right townhall, all these *sneers* minorities want is free stuff. That is the message you should continue to push.
 
2012-11-12 12:08:43 PM

bradkanus: Republicans offer a less direct method of "job creation" type fixes that take a bit longer to reach them.


Like kicking them out of the country, even if they were born here.
 
2012-11-12 12:08:44 PM

qorkfiend: bradkanus: However, the republican party is very diverse - we had both a female and an African American running for president and nobody had a problem with it.

Your party is so diverse, you have exactly two examples of diversity!


take a quick look at your elected officials, those around the president and your opinion leaders. Not exactly different than republicans and in some cases, more white.
 
2012-11-12 12:09:16 PM

Gulper Eel: If only there were vacant properties in inner cities where a Republican campaign operation might secure temporary office space from which to launch campaign operations in said inner cities.


Yea, they could push your message "The Dems' food stamp program is directly responsible for making the poor fat" and other gems :P
 
2012-11-12 12:10:35 PM
Riiiight. It had nothing to to with the explicit racism displayed by the far-right. Newsflash, fellas: it didn't matter WHAT the left said. They'd have won that vote by the simple function of not being YOU.
 
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