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2012-11-12 07:59:20 AM
Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.
 
2012-11-12 08:28:07 AM
If the state certifies the results, then it's time for Murphy...

*sunglasses*

to be the law.
 
2012-11-12 08:29:10 AM
West gets shot to death by Capitol Police after pulling out a potato, ending a tense 36-hour standoff and hostage situation in the Capitol building?
 
2012-11-12 08:33:23 AM
You'd think Allen West would be used to being dragged out of his office in handcuffs by now.
 
2012-11-12 08:35:24 AM
Oddly enough, USC 23 sec. 541 says the person with the stupider haircut wins. Congratulations Rep. Allan West!
 
2012-11-12 08:37:13 AM
Well, concession isn't part of the law. The election results are. Concession is merely a polite gesture. Sorry West, but you're an attention whoring flash in the pan. Just bend over and pick up what shreds of dignity you have left and go home.
 
2012-11-12 08:41:01 AM
Allan West will get pissed off and torture another POW?
 
2012-11-12 08:43:12 AM
So what happens when West refuses to move out of his office at the end of the lame-duck session? Will Capitol Police really forcibly remove him?
 
Imagine the ratings on Fox News...
 
2012-11-12 08:44:48 AM

Man On A Mission: So what happens when West refuses to move out of his office at the end of the lame-duck session? Will Capitol Police really forcibly remove him?
 
Imagine the ratings on Fox News...


Well, technically he wouldn't be a congressman anymore, just another black guy dealing with the police. I wonder who's side they'd take?
 
2012-11-12 08:50:01 AM

Sgt Otter: You'd think Allen West would be used to being dragged out of his office in handcuffs by now.


When they found him in violation of the UCMJ, did he say, "Sorry, I don't accept that"?
 
2012-11-12 08:56:37 AM
When will he start threatening folks?
 
2012-11-12 09:00:30 AM
I think Allen West is a reprehensible character, but in the interest of fairness, shouldn't we allow all of the absentee and provisional ballots be counted first? I mean, we did protest pretty loudly about voter suppressing methods that Republican governors and Secretaries of State imposed to not count absentee or provisional ballots. It would be only fair if we wait for the provisional and absentee ballots to be counted before we declare a winner.
 
2012-11-12 09:09:34 AM

RexTalionis: I think Allen West is a reprehensible character, but in the interest of fairness, shouldn't we allow all of the absentee and provisional ballots be counted first? I mean, we did protest pretty loudly about voter suppressing methods that Republican governors and Secretaries of State imposed to not count absentee or provisional ballots. It would be only fair if we wait for the provisional and absentee ballots to be counted before we declare a winner.


I agree, but the Republicans made Florida's stupid unfair and easily corruptible election law and they should have to live with it. Also 2500 votes in a congressional race is a pretty insurmountable lead. The provisional and absentee votes would have to break very differently from the votes that have already been counted, but they usually don't. Also this dawdling is costing West dearly, post election shenanigans rack up big legal fees, particularly if you are contesting certified results.

Minnesotan who knows a thing or two about recounts.
 
2012-11-12 09:12:41 AM

NowhereMon: the Republicans made Florida's stupid unfair and easily corruptible election law and they should have to live with it


QFT. Hopefully somewhere Katherine Harris's Botox facelift is buckling over this and Jeb Bush, well, just f*ck him.
 
2012-11-12 09:17:06 AM

NowhereMon: Also 2500 votes in a congressional race is a pretty insurmountable lead. The provisional and absentee votes would have to break very differently from the votes that have already been counted, but they usually don't.


If it were anyone but West, I'd say meet the candidate halfway. If the number of known provisional and absentee votes is greater than or equal to the 2500, count them.

Also this dawdling is costing West dearly, post election shenanigans rack up big legal fees, particularly if you are contesting certified results.

And the party said they don't have the desire to support him financially for a recount.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:30 AM

Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.


Is there anyone, anywhere that is surprised that West is acting like a big farking pussy?
 
2012-11-12 09:46:38 AM

mrshowrules: Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.

Is there anyone, anywhere that is surprised that West is acting like a big farking pussy?


Nope. Bullies are always the biggest pussies.
 
2012-11-12 10:04:47 AM

Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.


we need to get this on YouTube when it happens. it will have millions of hits.
 
2012-11-12 10:10:36 AM

ManateeGag: Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.

we need to get this on YouTube when it happens. it will have millions of hits.


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*seen grabbing her camera*
 
2012-11-12 10:12:21 AM
Pretty sure Congress gets the decide who sits in its own body in this situation.
 
2012-11-12 10:14:00 AM
If allen west loses, do you think he'll handle it well? I mean nobody LIKES to lose, but he seems to be particularly bad at accepting something is done and that he's lost.
 
2012-11-12 10:15:46 AM

DamnYankees: Pretty sure Congress gets the decide who sits in its own body in this situation.


Nope. The law already says who, one of them just has to move past the denial stage. I expect anger will be long and messy, grief to be amusing, bargaining to be pathetic, and acceptance to be a huge relief.
 
2012-11-12 10:26:14 AM
We should mock execute him. I bet he wees a bit.
 
2012-11-12 10:34:43 AM
So what happens when they both show up in Washington claiming to the be the lawful Representative?

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2012-11-12 10:45:35 AM
Hm. It conceivably could get a little tricky, given the "Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members" clause. The Senate at least requires external certification (by the Governor and SecState for the state), but there doesn't seem to be such a requirement for the House.

Conceivably, West could try and demand a vote from the House as to which of the two should be seated. I expect West would get some partisan support from the GOP House members (and a lot of partisan opposition from House Dems) but I don't think there would be enough GOP partisans willing to throw out the reported election results.

Marginally more practical would be the House refusing to seat either, and telling Florida they have to hold another election in that district. This would make for a circus-and-a-half, but might not be considered too insanely partisan. They'd probably want to ram through something similar to the Senate certification requirement, to simplify consideration of such questions.

Least likely but still possible would be the House throwing out the official outcome on a party-line vote, and re-seating West. Since the Constitution's Article I, Section 5 leaves such decisions a plenary power of the House, it would seem a non-justiciable decision, so Patrick Murphy couldn't sue to any effect. However, I don't think Boehner would go along with such a vote. It's just too blatantly undemocratic. In the unlikely event that West was seated, I'd expect it to significantly increase the chance of assassinations for house members -- particularly West, but also anyone who voted to seat him. 

Most likely scenario, however, is that West concedes sometime before the first session of the new Congress.
 
2012-11-12 10:52:42 AM
ALLENWESTMENTUM!
 
2012-11-12 11:08:00 AM
In my area, Atlantic City, when a candidate holds on and insists on getting absentee and "messenger ballots" counted, it means they fixed the election. Took about 15 years, but they finally got the clowns behind bars. Still happens sometimes though.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:14 AM
He can go in disguise:
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 11:33:43 AM
I just hope that they stream it live.
 
2012-11-12 11:36:13 AM
Just like with Franken, this has more to do with keeping a duly elected, Democratic official from taking office as long as possible rather then actually championing fair electoral practice.
 
2012-11-12 11:36:23 AM
Allen West is hired by Fox News for more "Fair and Balanced" in 3-2-1 ...

What are they paying Palin? $4 million per year?
 
2012-11-12 11:36:48 AM
West should give up just like Gore did in '00.
 
2012-11-12 11:38:14 AM

abb3w: Hm. It conceivably could get a little tricky, given the "Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members" clause. The Senate at least requires external certification (by the Governor and SecState for the state), but there doesn't seem to be such a requirement for the House.

Conceivably, West could try and demand a vote from the House as to which of the two should be seated. I expect West would get some partisan support from the GOP House members (and a lot of partisan opposition from House Dems) but I don't think there would be enough GOP partisans willing to throw out the reported election results.

Marginally more practical would be the House refusing to seat either, and telling Florida they have to hold another election in that district. This would make for a circus-and-a-half, but might not be considered too insanely partisan. They'd probably want to ram through something similar to the Senate certification requirement, to simplify consideration of such questions.

Least likely but still possible would be the House throwing out the official outcome on a party-line vote, and re-seating West. Since the Constitution's Article I, Section 5 leaves such decisions a plenary power of the House, it would seem a non-justiciable decision, so Patrick Murphy couldn't sue to any effect. However, I don't think Boehner would go along with such a vote. It's just too blatantly undemocratic. In the unlikely event that West was seated, I'd expect it to significantly increase the chance of assassinations for house members -- particularly West, but also anyone who voted to seat him. 

Most likely scenario, however, is that West concedes sometime before the first session of the new Congress.


If the GOP ignored election results, which I'm not sure you are correct in assuming they could do, in order to reseat West, I think that there would be massive outrage from both parties. More likely, West loses, people have to deal with it. I really doubt it can go past that.
 
2012-11-12 11:39:24 AM
As the champion of the Job Creators, I'm sure they'll take care of him after defending their craven interests so valiantly.

... Or maybe they'll just toss him to the curb like they do with their employees if it means they can make a few extra bucks.
 
2012-11-12 11:40:10 AM
They are concerned that votes were counted twice and have asked to review sign-in books from the polls to ensure the number of voters matched the ballot count. "We're simply not going to just walk away from the race until we see that the numbers add up," West's campaign manager Tim Edson told the AP.

Is this just math you do to make yourself feel better as a Republican?
 
2012-11-12 11:42:23 AM
www.blogjones.com

Suck it, libs.
 
2012-11-12 11:42:43 AM
Maybe someone can discharge a loaded service sidearm in his ear. It's the only sound he responds to.
 
2012-11-12 11:44:12 AM
West has a really punchable face.

For that matter, are there ANY prominent Republicans/conservatives that *don't*?

It's like all the hate and stupidity swishing around in their empty heads seeps through to their faces.
 
2012-11-12 11:44:29 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Oddly enough, USC 23 sec. 541 says the person with the stupider haircut wins. Congratulations Rep. Allan West!


Well, shut my mouth... It's also illegal to put squirrels down your pants for the purposes of gambling.
 
2012-11-12 11:49:46 AM
West would make a good tin pot dictator.
 
2012-11-12 11:51:28 AM

RexTalionis: I think Allen West is a reprehensible character, but in the interest of fairness, shouldn't we allow all of the absentee and provisional ballots be counted first? I mean, we did protest pretty loudly about voter suppressing methods that Republican governors and Secretaries of State imposed to not count absentee or provisional ballots. It would be only fair if we wait for the provisional and absentee ballots to be counted before we declare a winner.


They still count those; they don't stop counting just because someone concedes. As others have said, when the lead is large enough that it's physically or statistically impossible for the "loser" to pull ahead, it's customary that the person concedes.

There's actually a few cases in the past where someone who's conceded actually won; they still take office because conceding doesn't stop counting or cause your candidacy to be withdrawn.
 
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2012-11-12 11:55:07 AM

evoke: West should give up just like Gore did in '00.


Isn't it time we stopped blaming everything on Gore?

/at least, that's what I hear when anyone brings up Bush.
//Count everything, I'm enjoying his last few moments of I-am-important-MEMEME-fame.
 
2012-11-12 11:58:50 AM

NowhereMon: RexTalionis: I think Allen West is a reprehensible character, but in the interest of fairness, shouldn't we allow all of the absentee and provisional ballots be counted first? I mean, we did protest pretty loudly about voter suppressing methods that Republican governors and Secretaries of State imposed to not count absentee or provisional ballots. It would be only fair if we wait for the provisional and absentee ballots to be counted before we declare a winner.

I agree, but the Republicans made Florida's stupid unfair and easily corruptible election law and they should have to live with it. Also 2500 votes in a congressional race is a pretty insurmountable lead. The provisional and absentee votes would have to break very differently from the votes that have already been counted, but they usually don't. Also this dawdling is costing West dearly, post election shenanigans rack up big legal fees, particularly if you are contesting certified results.

Minnesotan who knows a thing or two about recounts.


THIS THIS and MORE THIS
The ONLY fair thing, is to follow the retarded floriduh law.
Unless floriduh wants to let the adults to make new laws for floriduh because they are too dumb to figure this shot out on their own.

FFS
HOW HARD is it to count ballots floriduh??
 
2012-11-12 11:59:03 AM

Diogenes: Sgt Otter: You'd think Allen West would be used to being dragged out of his office in handcuffs by now.

When they found him in violation of the UCMJ, did he say, "Sorry, I don't accept that"?


Pretty much.

From the hearing:

"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified to a military courtroom of observers and some teary-eyed troops formerly under his command.

Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."
 
2012-11-12 11:59:42 AM

dickfreckle: pick up what shreds of dignity you have left


Assuming facts not in evidence.
 
2012-11-12 12:00:41 PM
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/got nuthin to add
 
2012-11-12 12:02:54 PM

Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.


It has to be a rainy day, and he has to slip on a puddle with mud.
 
2012-11-12 12:05:23 PM

evoke: West should give up just like Gore did in '00.


The difference here is Gore was fighting a system setup by far-right partisans specifically to f*ck him over.

West is fighting a system setup by far-right partisans specifically to help him, and he STILL LOST.

It would be like making an extra chess move while your opponent wasn't looking, then still losing, and then blaming your opponent for the fact that you f*cked yourself.
 
2012-11-12 12:06:30 PM

EvilEgg: DamnYankees: Pretty sure Congress gets the decide who sits in its own body in this situation.

Nope. The law already says who, one of them just has to move past the denial stage. I expect anger will be long and messy, grief to be amusing, bargaining to be pathetic, and acceptance to be a huge relief.


The Constitution give each house the. Right to set standards for membership. You can be the legally elected office holder but until you are admitted into your office by congress, you are just a guy.
 
2012-11-12 12:06:54 PM

CygnusDarius: Dinki: Simple- West gets escorted out while everyone laughs at him. And all is right in the world.

It has to be a rainy day, and he has to slip on a puddle with mud.


Then a dog...a small, runty one...casually walks up, sniffs him, lifts its leg and pees on his face.
 
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