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(Fox Sports)   Mike D'Antoni becomes the newest person to climb on board the Lakers Carnival of Fail   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 77
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2012-11-12 12:45:43 PM  

Lost Thought 00: DAntoni was affordable. Jackson wanted a king's ransom to return for just a season or two


I think this had more to do with it than whose system is a better fit for the current roster.

PJ: I want to make as much as any other coach in the league, plus have the final word on personnel decisions.

D'Antoni: I'll take that leftover salad you had from lunch on Friday and kiss Jim Buss's ass like it was the Pope's ring to coach this team.
 
2012-11-12 01:07:03 PM  

coolio mack: rickythepenguin: coolio mack: And I'm interested to see D'Antoni handle that type of pressure and daily scrutiny after basically quitting his last year in New York.


i've already forgotten how that went down....wasn't it more about Lin's brief supernova-type explosion (in Melo's absence) and then how Melo, Amare, and Lin couldn't play together?

and also funny how there was talk of Phil going "home" (Knicks) that dogged D'Antoni down the stretch in NY, and now he's again getting Phil's sloppy seconds.

Well even before Lin he could never figure out a way to get Melo and Amare to play together. His system always seemed best with a penetrating point guard kicking out to shooters and getting up and down the court even after made baskets. Nash and Howard will be fine, but where are the shooters on this team? D'Antoni did say he'd be a perfect fit when this job first came open, so maybe he's had a chance to work some things out based on what he saw from the olympic team.


What's he supposed to say? "Gee, the Lakers have Kobe, Nash, Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard, plus some guy who almost plays okay when he's on his meds. Nah, I can't work with that."

That's well and fine, but I'm genuinely concerned about the defensive end. It's not sexy to talk about, but like that comic I posted above, the guy just doesn't care about defense. And I know everyone likes to say 'just let Howard clean everything up at the rim!' - well they haven't seen him play much this year. He hasn't moved well at all defensively, and frankly he's been overrated as a defender throughout his career.

As am I. Brown was supposedly a defensive specialist and couldn't devise a plan to stop the league's other contenders. I don't think D'Antoni will do any better.

I'm not saying he won't work out, but you gotta get Phil Jackson when he's there for the taking for a group like this. He's the master at coping with superstars, getting role players to play their best, and mentally keeping a team together. Just give him whatever he wants for the next two years.

I can totally see Dr. Buss's POV. It'd be hard to be objective and choose a guy who's obviously better qualified to make basketball decisions over your own offspring. And, financially, I'm sure he'll leave his family lots of money. So how the Lakers perform is not exactly going to mean the difference between Top Ramen and caviar for Jim Buss.

Part of me wonders how this would've gone down if PJ had put a ring on Jeanie's finger? Then he'd be family, too.

And though this hasn't been mentioned at all, and I'm not sure he would've been interested - I would've liked to see what Jeff Van Gundy could've done with this team.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you were a Lakers fan? ;-) JVG would've slowed the game down and STILL would've had trouble stopping the other title-contending teams in the league. At least D'Antoni's Lakers will be fun to watch as they go 52-30 and get bounced in the second round of the playoffs for the third year in a row.
 
2012-11-12 01:44:00 PM  
FARKING JIM BUSS
 
2012-11-12 01:54:46 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I can totally see Dr. Buss's POV. It'd be hard to be objective and choose a guy who's obviously better qualified to make basketball decisions over your own offspring. And, financially, I'm sure he'll leave his family lots of money. So how the Lakers perform is not exactly going to mean the difference between Top Ramen and caviar for Jim Buss.


I'm just hoping this Jim doesn't end up turning into that other Jim in NY after daddy decides he doesn't want to be involved in running the team anymore. Just the fact that Mike Dunleavy got an interview for this position tells me that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you were a Lakers fan? ;-) JVG would've slowed the game down and STILL would've had trouble stopping the other title-contending teams in the league. At least D'Antoni's Lakers will be fun to watch as they go 52-30 and get bounced in the second round of the playoffs for the third year in a row.

I tend to like some of the lower scoring games, and most of the profanity I utter whenever I watch their games (or any game in general) is when I see bad breakdowns on defense. That and Metta lining up a three pointer or seeing Steve Blake on the court. But you're right, this will be a fun experiment to watch as it plays out. Kobe has gone into full 'I'll say anything on my mind' mode, so we'll know if things aren't working out.

The only thing I'll say for D'Antoni is that he better not be afraid to challenge those veterans in the locker room - especially Dwight. Both Dwight and Pau have a tendency to go soft when things start to get tough and a guy like Phil Jackson or Jef Van Gundy wouldn't be afraid to let them know about it. 

Finally, some props to Bernie Bickerstaff for just letting the team just freestyle things for the time being. "He's good," Kobe Bryant said of how Bickerstaff has handled things. "He's getting ... out of the way."
 
2012-11-12 02:01:20 PM  

coolio mack: Finally, some props to Bernie Bickerstaff for just letting the team just freestyle things for the time being. "He's good," Kobe Bryant said of how Bickerstaff has handled things. "He's getting ... out of the way."


What else was he supposed to do? He has no authority since everyone knew he was going to be replaced in a few days.
 
2012-11-12 02:06:24 PM  
I know ESPN has a heavy bias towards certain teams.. but was this really worth 25 straight minutes off the top on SportsCenter this morning?

/the answer is, "of course not"
 
2012-11-12 02:16:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: coolio mack: Finally, some props to Bernie Bickerstaff for just letting the team just freestyle things for the time being. "He's good," Kobe Bryant said of how Bickerstaff has handled things. "He's getting ... out of the way."

What else was he supposed to do? He has no authority since everyone knew he was going to be replaced in a few days.


He could've declined taking the interim job. He could've resigned since he may or may not have been on the staff of the new coach. He could've overplayed Kobe the 38+ minutes like Mike Brown has done the past couple of years instead of the 33 minutes he's playing now. He could've made waves about being considered for the full time gig. He could've resisted the upstairs edict to get rid of the Princeton offense.
 
2012-11-12 02:24:43 PM  
If the Lakers are smart, they'll trade Pau and World Peace for some athletic forwards that can defend and hit threes. Maybe a deal with the Nuggets, who have an army of those type of guys?
 
2012-11-12 02:40:42 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Can't disagree with this. Phil Jackson had all the chances in the world and he couldn't get it done. The Lakers were never going to win a championship if they went with Phil Jackson. On the other hand, Mike D'Antoni won an Italian championship, and if you ask the experts, the Italian basketball championship is one of the fifty greatest accomplishments in the sport. In addition, Mike D'Antoni runs the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense. Absolutely incredible. I am not a basketball law-talking guy, but a professional basketball court is approximately 90 feet in diameter. Anyone who can run 90 feet in less than 7 seconds must be a crazy-good athlete.


That was well crafted. I didn't realize it was you at first so it hurt my brain a little when I tried to make sense of it.
 
2012-11-12 02:47:23 PM  

coolio mack: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I can totally see Dr. Buss's POV. It'd be hard to be objective and choose a guy who's obviously better qualified to make basketball decisions over your own offspring. And, financially, I'm sure he'll leave his family lots of money. So how the Lakers perform is not exactly going to mean the difference between Top Ramen and caviar for Jim Buss.

I'm just hoping this Jim doesn't end up turning into that other Jim in NY after daddy decides he doesn't want to be involved in running the team anymore. Just the fact that Mike Dunleavy got an interview for this position tells me that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing.


I think that was a "screw you" to Phil. "Hey, we want you for this job, but we are also talking to D'Antoni, Dunleavy and this rotten cantaloupe, so don't think we're going to give you the world on a silver platter because you can deliver us another championship or two."

And I agree with you on the Dolan thing. That would give me the world's biggest sad.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you were a Lakers fan? ;-) JVG would've slowed the game down and STILL would've had trouble stopping the other title-contending teams in the league. At least D'Antoni's Lakers will be fun to watch as they go 52-30 and get bounced in the second round of the playoffs for the third year in a row.

I tend to like some of the lower scoring games, and most of the profanity I utter whenever I watch their games (or any game in general) is when I see bad breakdowns on defense. That and Metta lining up a three pointer or seeing Steve Blake on the court. But you're right, this will be a fun experiment to watch as it plays out. Kobe has gone into full 'I'll say anything on my mind' mode, so we'll know if things aren't working out.


LOL, "shut up and let us work." Brown couldn't tell the media that, and neither can D'Antoni. The only guys who can are Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson. Prepare for Kobe to spout off a lot in the coming months, but I think he'll toe the company line. I seriously doubt he'll be all, "Seven seconds or less? At our age? That guy is totes cray cray!"

The only thing I'll say for D'Antoni is that he better not be afraid to challenge those veterans in the locker room - especially Dwight. Both Dwight and Pau have a tendency to go soft when things start to get tough and a guy like Phil Jackson or Jef Van Gundy wouldn't be afraid to let them know about it. 

Pretty sure D'Antoni's rep is just the opposite of being tough on his players.

Finally, some props to Bernie Bickerstaff for just letting the team just freestyle things for the time being. "He's good," Kobe Bryant said of how Bickerstaff has handled things. "He's getting ... out of the way."

Bernie did just what he had to do: put a team on the floor and manage player minutes. They had enough talent to beat the undermanned Warriors and Kings without a solid game plan. And he knew he wasn't auditioning for the head coaching spot (don't think he wants it, either). Now, let's see what happens on Tuesday against a very good team with a very good coach.
 
2012-11-12 02:56:52 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the Lakers are smart, they'll trade Pau and World Peace for some athletic forwards that can defend and hit threes. Maybe a deal with the Nuggets, who have an army of those type of guys?


MWP and JaVale McGee on the same team? That would be entertaining. Like watching a shark feeding frenzy.
 
2012-11-12 03:22:46 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the Lakers are smart, they'll trade Pau and World Peace for some athletic forwards that can defend and hit threes.


No team is taking MWP in a trade.
 
2012-11-12 04:31:57 PM  

gtfan92: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the Lakers are smart, they'll trade Pau and World Peace for some athletic forwards that can defend and hit threes.

No team is taking MWP in a trade.


Depends on when his contract expires and what it could do for cap room. I mean, Memphis took Kwame Brown.
 
2012-11-12 04:41:07 PM  
If nothing else, it will be fun to watch.
 
2012-11-12 05:32:50 PM  
I don't know if IAR trolls or not, but he's probably the most entertaining person here who doesn't resort to posting tits or pony pictures.

So I hope whatever happens happens like he says it will just to see everyone else go wtf
 
2012-11-12 06:26:19 PM  
Just had to comment on this...

I read a report last night that said they chose D'Antoni because Jackson was "asking for the Moon." And I said... "why didn't you f*cking GIVE IT TO HIM?"

Let's see, he has enough rings for both hands AND his dick. He is, literally, the best coach in NBA history (sorry, Red, you were the best basketball mind in NBA history in that you were able to operate AND coach the team, but you coached in a pretty shiatty era with what was, without comparison, the deepest relative roster in the history of professional sports).

What does D'Antoni have, aside from a reputation as the most overrated coach in the NBA? Oh, right, Steve Nash won a couple MVPs...
 
2012-11-12 06:55:29 PM  

gtfan92: I'm probably the only one who thinks this is a better hire than Phil, because the triangle just turns Steve Nash into Derek Fisher.

D'Antoni's defensive deficiencies are overrated; he was fine last year with Tyson. He'll be alright with Dwight and Pau.


Yes. Yes you are. Nobody on the planet should think Mike is a better coach than Phil. To even suggest that is so ridiculous you must be a troll.

Seriously, people are actually debating Phil Jackson vs Mike D'antoni?? Now I know how Mugatu felt at the end of Zoolander.
 
2012-11-12 07:09:05 PM  

puffy999: I read a report last night that said they chose D'Antoni because Jackson was "asking for the Moon." And I said... "why didn't you f*cking GIVE IT TO HIM?"


If the rumors he was asking for an ownership stake are true, that's totally ridiculous, even if he's the GOAT at dealing with NBA egos.
 
2012-11-12 07:09:23 PM  
However, I say he's overrated, but I won't go so far as ASS (I mean, SAS) and say he's a horrible coach.
 
2012-11-12 07:10:05 PM  

you have pee hands: If the rumors he was asking for an ownership stake are true, that's totally ridiculous, even if he's the GOAT at dealing with NBA egos.


That's a new rumor to me. Of course, anyone can "ask" anything they want...
 
2012-11-12 07:34:08 PM  

JonPace: gtfan92: I'm probably the only one who thinks this is a better hire than Phil, because the triangle just turns Steve Nash into Derek Fisher.

D'Antoni's defensive deficiencies are overrated; he was fine last year with Tyson. He'll be alright with Dwight and Pau.

Yes. Yes you are. Nobody on the planet should think Mike is a better coach than Phil. To even suggest that is so ridiculous you must be a troll.

Seriously, people are actually debating Phil Jackson vs Mike D'antoni?? Now I know how Mugatu felt at the end of Zoolander.


He didn't say Mike was a better coach than Phil, he said it was a better hire because if the risk of somebody like Steve Nash being marginalized in the triangle.

Dammit, now they're going to try to deal Pau again. Am I the only person that likes Pau? I'm not sure how he would fit into a run and gun offense

/still disagree with the idea that D'antoni was a better hire than Jackson.
//wow Mike's name is a biatch to get right on a smartphone
 
2012-11-12 08:00:38 PM  
I just can't believe Phil was down to do it and they picked D'Antoni. D'antoni is the offensive version of Mike Brown.
 
2012-11-12 08:01:03 PM  

Sargun: So I hope whatever happens happens like he says it will just to see everyone else go wtf


This is why I root for half the things I root for. Then again, since I don't watch ESPN except for maybe MNF or an occasional Pac-12 game that might be on there, I only catch all the backlash by seeing Fark.

D'Antoni's two knocks against him are that he doesn't tolerate defense (ridiculous - there are literally zero coaches that say "F*CK NO I WILL NOT HAVE MY TEAMS PLAY DEFENSE" like people are making it out to be) and that he doesn't develop bench players (not that he's ever had any that were any good).

He's lost playoff series due to some ridiculous circumstances (Joe Johnson gets injured; Raja Bell gets injured on a no-contact injury; twin suspensions for BOTH PFs under dubious-at-best circumstances PLUS a Donaghy game in one series) on thin teams with an owner who cut back on expenses every single year and refused to keep or acquire talent.

The main threat is that he overuses his current players in the regular season and that teams don't let Howard roll and make him into a spot-up shooter. If it doesn't work, you can always go groveling to Jackson and give him whatever he wants.

/not sure why you go four-year contract with D'Antoni, though
 
2012-11-12 08:19:24 PM  
The more I read, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this is personal bad blood between Jim Buss and Phil Jackson. Calling Phil at midnight, not giving him the full weekend like they promised, not hiring Brian Shaw, complaining about the triangle (seriously, the triangle is super easy for a center, and Nash/Jackson are smart enough to adapt), etc. Jim Buss never got over Phil boning his sister. And there's probably a few other ruffled feathers in there. If this is the shiat we have to look forward to, I hope Jerry sells the team. Dr. Buss has been an incredible owner, and the next great move he could make is saving the Lakers from his dumb shiat son. Jeanie can stay, though.
 
2012-11-12 08:45:07 PM  

Trocadero: If this is the shiat we have to look forward to, I hope Jerry sells the team. Dr. Buss has been an incredible owner, and the next great move he could make is saving the Lakers from his dumb shiat son. Jeanie can stay, though.


What, are there a bunch of other potential coaches who also boned his sister?
 
2012-11-12 09:01:09 PM  
A couple of other people have pointed this out already, but just to weigh in:

D'Antoni's teams aren't THAT bad on defense once you factor in pace. Teams whose games have more possessions will naturally give up more points. Not that his teams have been particularly good on defense even when adjusted for pace, but they haven't actually been too bad either. So I think the defense concerns are overblown.

I actually kind of like this. I do think Phil would be a better hire, but I don't think D'Antoni is a bad hire.
 
2012-11-13 02:23:13 AM  

JonPace: gtfan92: I'm probably the only one who thinks this is a better hire than Phil, because the triangle just turns Steve Nash into Derek Fisher.

D'Antoni's defensive deficiencies are overrated; he was fine last year with Tyson. He'll be alright with Dwight and Pau.

Yes. Yes you are. Nobody on the planet should think Mike is a better coach than Phil. To even suggest that is so ridiculous you must be a troll.

Seriously, people are actually debating Phil Jackson vs Mike D'antoni?? Now I know how Mugatu felt at the end of Zoolander.


You suck at reading comprehension.
 
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