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(Fox Sports)   Mike D'Antoni becomes the newest person to climb on board the Lakers Carnival of Fail   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 77
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2012-11-12 09:12:53 AM  
www.obscurecraft.net
 
2012-11-12 09:58:11 AM  
The Lakers are doomed!
OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!

Let's see if Kobe can get a ring without Phil. I think he can/will.
 
2012-11-12 10:00:43 AM  
So the guy that got steamrolled by Carmelo is going to keep Kobe and Dwight in check? I'm betting no but who knows, maybe Nash will get them all to buy in.
 
2012-11-12 10:05:06 AM  
Can't disagree with this. Phil Jackson had all the chances in the world and he couldn't get it done. The Lakers were never going to win a championship if they went with Phil Jackson. On the other hand, Mike D'Antoni won an Italian championship, and if you ask the experts, the Italian basketball championship is one of the fifty greatest accomplishments in the sport. In addition, Mike D'Antoni runs the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense. Absolutely incredible. I am not a basketball law-talking guy, but a professional basketball court is approximately 90 feet in diameter. Anyone who can run 90 feet in less than 7 seconds must be a crazy-good athlete.
 
2012-11-12 10:07:15 AM  
Have we ever had a season where an NBA team went through more than 2 coaches in a year?
 
2012-11-12 10:07:59 AM  
I'm probably the only one who thinks this is a better hire than Phil, because the triangle just turns Steve Nash into Derek Fisher.

D'Antoni's defensive deficiencies are overrated; he was fine last year with Tyson. He'll be alright with Dwight and Pau.
 
2012-11-12 10:15:20 AM  
As a life long lake fan, I'm furious. Phil was there! Available! Wanted to return! What the hell?!

D'Antoni is fun, but he can't coach defense to safe his farking life, and the Lakers don't really have a D'Antoni-style roster.
 
2012-11-12 10:16:15 AM  
Sweet, they went from maybe being the third best team in the West to...maybe being the third best team in the West.

Also color me unconvinced that his run and gun offense is going to work with guys who's average age is older than the fat white guys that play pick up ball at the YMCA.

I guess he can always give some heavy minutes to his very talented bench.
 
2012-11-12 10:20:17 AM  

DamnYankees: As a life long lake fan, I'm furious. Phil was there! Available! Wanted to return! What the hell?!

D'Antoni is fun, but he can't coach defense to safe his farking life, and the Lakers don't really have a D'Antoni-style roster.


His rider made Jennifer Lopez look like Mother Theresa on a hunger strike.
 
2012-11-12 10:21:12 AM  

The Muthaship: His rider made Jennifer Lopez look like Mother Theresa on a hunger strike.


Don't give a shiat. He's Phil Jackson. He's the GOAT and he's the one person we know - KNOW - Kobe respects and can work with. GIve him the moon.
 
2012-11-12 10:22:06 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Can't disagree with this. Phil Jackson had all the chances in the world and he couldn't get it done. The Lakers were never going to win a championship if they went with Phil Jackson. On the other hand, Mike D'Antoni won an Italian championship, and if you ask the experts, the Italian basketball championship is one of the fifty greatest accomplishments in the sport. In addition, Mike D'Antoni runs the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense. Absolutely incredible. I am not a basketball law-talking guy, but a professional basketball court is approximately 90 feet in diameter. Anyone who can run 90 feet in less than 7 seconds must be a crazy-good athlete.


Pffft. The only reason Phil Jackson ever won anything was Scottie Pippen, and everyone knows it.
 
2012-11-12 10:22:49 AM  

DamnYankees: The Muthaship: His rider made Jennifer Lopez look like Mother Theresa on a hunger strike.

Don't give a shiat. He's Phil Jackson. He's the GOAT and he's the one person we know - KNOW - Kobe respects and can work with. GIve him the moon.


At the end of the day, it's still a business. Bus isn't giving away ownership. Jackson asking makes me think he really didn't want to come back. Just wanted to be fawned over a little more.
 
2012-11-12 10:24:12 AM  
It's tgetting to the point where I will start cheering for the Lakers just to watch Fark lose it's collective, overreacting mind.
 
2012-11-12 10:25:52 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: It's tgetting to the point where I will start cheering for the Lakers just to watch Fark lose it's collective, overreacting mind.


It's essentially why I started rooting for Miami.
 
2012-11-12 10:27:39 AM  
The Lakers signed Mike, Dan, and Tony?
 
2012-11-12 10:30:52 AM  

DamnYankees: He's the GOAT and he's the one person we know - KNOW - Kobe respects and can work with.


D'Antoni was an assistant with USA basketball (with Kobe) in 2008, not to mention the fact that Kobe wore No. 8 when he came into the NBA because that's the number D'Antoni wore when he was the Italian League MVP (as Kobe was growing up there).

I think they'll be able to get along fine.

js34603: Also color me unconvinced that his run and gun offense is going to work with guys who's average age is older than the fat white guys that play pick up ball at the YMCA.


You realize that run and gun is easier on the body than halfcourt banging in the post right? Pau is soft - he'll like this. Nash will definitely like this. Kobe should like this. Howard can be the pick-and-roll guy that Amare was, except capable of playing defense - though we'd have to assume that he's not going to be hitting elbow jump shots like Amare, which might cause problems.

Furthermore, as gtfan92 says, the defensive deficiencies are overrated - the Suns actually had a pretty effective defense on a per-possession ratio, and that was with Amare and Nash - Marion and Bell were the only capable defenders. So this is still an upgrade over those teams. Plus, you can just have a good defensive assistant coach - your HC doesn't have to be all about both sides of the ball.
 
2012-11-12 10:31:55 AM  

IAmRight: D'Antoni was an assistant with USA basketball (with Kobe) in 2008, not to mention the fact that Kobe wore No. 8 when he came into the NBA because that's the number D'Antoni wore when he was the Italian League MVP (as Kobe was growing up there).

I think they'll be able to get along fine.


They will get along fine as long as they win. I'm as big a Lakers and Kobe fan as there is, but I also know and admit that Kobe doesn't handle losing well and if this doesn't go well he'll turn on D'Antoni quick.
 
2012-11-12 10:33:10 AM  

js34603: I guess he can always give some heavy minutes to his very talented bench.



Yeah, because if there's one thing we know about D'Antoni, it is that he loves to use the bench.

/wow, i can't understand why Nash, Amare, Diaw, what's his nuts and the big fella circa 2004-2007 were getting tired in playoff games. Maybe having the starting five play 46+ minutes for 82 games wasn't such a good idea?
 
2012-11-12 10:35:04 AM  

DamnYankees: IAmRight: D'Antoni was an assistant with USA basketball (with Kobe) in 2008, not to mention the fact that Kobe wore No. 8 when he came into the NBA because that's the number D'Antoni wore when he was the Italian League MVP (as Kobe was growing up there).

I think they'll be able to get along fine.

They will get along fine as long as they win. I'm as big a Lakers and Kobe fan as there is, but I also know and admit that Kobe doesn't handle losing well and if this doesn't go well he'll turn on D'Antoni quick.


I'm with this. D'Antoni was the last guy I wanted to coach this team. I know he was Kobe's choice after Phil, but this guy was such a huge underachiever with the Knicks. Not to mention that Alvin Gentry took that Phoenix team as far as he did in the playoffs with lesser talent.

This squad as currently put together has a two year window - this year and next year. He better get it done.

slamdumb.com
 
2012-11-12 10:35:58 AM  

DamnYankees: They will get along fine as long as they win.


Which they'll do plenty of without Brown.

rickythepenguin: Yeah, because if there's one thing we know about D'Antoni, it is that he loves to use the bench.


This is the other thing - D'Antoni sucks about using the bench. BUT the Lakers don't have anyone on the bench worth a sh*t, so it's a perfect fit.
 
2012-11-12 10:36:32 AM  

DamnYankees: I'm as big a Lakers and Kobe fan as there is, but I also know and admit that Kobe doesn't handle losing well and if this doesn't go well he'll turn on D'Antoni quick.



no, as IAR noted just above, he holds D'Antoni in extremely high opinion. All those Kobe "8" jerseys? that's in honor of D'antoni.

/IAR beat me to that little nugget
 
2012-11-12 10:37:30 AM  

IAmRight: Which they'll do plenty of without Brown.


Do not mistake me - MD is a huge upgrade over Brown, who is simply a terrible coach. I just wish they'd gone with Phil.

IAmRight: BUT the Lakers don't have anyone on the bench worth a sh*t, so it's a perfect fit.


I feel like its the opposite. A team without a good bench needs someone who is great at using the bench. As it is now, D'Antoni will run the Lakers into the ground by overuse.
 
2012-11-12 10:38:15 AM  

IAmRight: Howard can be the pick-and-roll guy that Amare was


To play pick and roll, you need to be able to have more than a 3' scoring range.
 
2012-11-12 10:41:09 AM  

rickythepenguin: DamnYankees: I'm as big a Lakers and Kobe fan as there is, but I also know and admit that Kobe doesn't handle losing well and if this doesn't go well he'll turn on D'Antoni quick.


no, as IAR noted just above, he holds D'Antoni in extremely high opinion. All those Kobe "8" jerseys? that's in honor of D'antoni.

/IAR beat me to that little nugget


It's fine and dandy that he loved the guy coming into the league because of his Italian background or whatever. He also loved Mike Brown last year because he was a 'gym rat' like he was.

The only thing that matters to him now is #6.
 
2012-11-12 10:41:56 AM  
I'm not really an NBA fan (i'll watch the christmas game, teh all star weekend fest, then start watching the playoffs but no really until the conference finals) but.......when teh Suns were popping (admittedly under D'Antoni), I was a huge Suns fan.

so i'll be really upset if this works out. I guess you could say I'd legitimately do something out of character and be a hater. There. I said it. I would actively root against the Lakes just because.

ugh. had D'Antoni only used teh bench more and emphasized defense. that's all teh Suns asked. And like I've always said, D'antoni became Captain Ahab, more obsessed with capturing the elsuive whtie whale with his system, on his terms, instead of realizing if he tweaked things just a bit, he probably could have won a championship. It becamse more about success on his terms instead of the team winning.

so that's why i'll hate for hate's sake.

/but not against Nash. Suns made a business decision that they arguably should have made at least 1 year, if not 2 years, earlier.
 
2012-11-12 10:47:16 AM  

DamnYankees: I feel like its the opposite. A team without a good bench needs someone who is great at using the bench. As it is now, D'Antoni will run the Lakers into the ground by overuse.


See, I view it as a win-win, because if he succeeds with run-and-gun, then it validates it a bit. If he doesn't, then the Lakers lose. Good news for me either way!

coolio mack: I'm with this. D'Antoni was the last guy I wanted to coach this team. I know he was Kobe's choice after Phil, but this guy was such a huge underachiever with the Knicks. Not to mention that Alvin Gentry took that Phoenix team as far as he did in the playoffs with lesser talent.


I'm not sure it was significantly lesser talent.

/well, at least than the 2006 run
//gah, if only they'd given away Amare early and kept Marion
///hey, we made it further than we've been with Amare without him...let's pretend he's the one critical to our team!
////also, we will get better on rebounding and defense by getting rid of our top rebounder and best defender
 
2012-11-12 10:48:04 AM  

coolio mack: He also loved Mike Brown last year because he was a 'gym rat' like he was.



we all know Kobe had veto power on that hire, but do you really think Kobe was all in on that hire? no way.

Kobe's battled D'Antoni for years when D'Antoni was in phoenix, and D'Anotni coached him in the 2006 Worlds and teh Olympics. I guarantee Kobe was waaaaaaaaaay more in favor of this hire than Brown.

the Buss family by all accounts, was more intent on removing all traces of Jackson, hence the "outside" hire. Brown was probably in over his head from the start.
 
2012-11-12 10:48:53 AM  

rickythepenguin: we all know Kobe had veto power on that hire, but do you really think Kobe was all in on that hire? no way.


He might have been. Mike Brown seems like someone who is awesome at interviewing and putting on the proper show to make it look like he'd be amazing at the job, He just isn't.
 
2012-11-12 10:49:45 AM  
DAntoni was affordable. Jackson wanted a king's ransom to return for just a season or two
 
2012-11-12 10:51:38 AM  

rickythepenguin: ugh. had D'Antoni only used teh bench more and emphasized defense.


The defense was solidly middle-of-the-pack, which was good enough.

Please tell me who you felt deserved more time on the floor. Now, if they'd KEPT Rondo or Iguodala instead of trading those picks, yeah, be legitimately upset about not playing those guys. But the sh*tty bench was f*cking awful. Every time I watched those teams it was a "oh god I hope the bench doesn't blow it too quickly this time" situation.
 
2012-11-12 10:52:58 AM  
I can't see this as a good thing for the Lakers. But I don't want them to do well, so there's that.

D'Antoni is not a good coach. He's certainly not a great coach. He does well with a dynamic point guard whose name is Steven Nash, and he has that guy, so at least Nash will have the ball in his hands.

But this team doesn't have the weapons that Suns team did. It has a bunch of old guys and a terrible, truly horrible bench. And he's never had a center who deserves touches, so that should be interesting.

But I see this as fail.
 
2012-11-12 10:53:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: DAntoni was affordable. Jackson wanted a king's ransom to return for just a season or two



chris mannix was just on Dan Patrick, and he says money wasn't the issue; Phil wanted a role either Kupchak or the younger Buss had (GM, president, whatever either's role is), and neither of those guys wanted to cede anything. so phil walked.
 
2012-11-12 10:58:31 AM  
Good thing for the Lakers the Thunder shot themselves in the foot. I don't think you'd want an up tempo series against last year's Thunder, especially with so many guys in their mid 30s.
 
2012-11-12 10:59:57 AM  

rickythepenguin: coolio mack: He also loved Mike Brown last year because he was a 'gym rat' like he was.


we all know Kobe had veto power on that hire, but do you really think Kobe was all in on that hire? no way.

Kobe's battled D'Antoni for years when D'Antoni was in phoenix, and D'Anotni coached him in the 2006 Worlds and teh Olympics. I guarantee Kobe was waaaaaaaaaay more in favor of this hire than Brown.

the Buss family by all accounts, was more intent on removing all traces of Jackson, hence the "outside" hire. Brown was probably in over his head from the start.


I agree with all of this, my main point is just that it just doesn't matter if he's approving D'Antoni now. Kobe only cares about rings and if they go out earlier than the finals this year, then he'll be the first guy to question why they didn't get Phil Jackson back.

Here's a direct quote from him last week when people were questioning the offense:

"I've won so I can (tell people to shut up)," Bryant said. "For Mike it might be a little tough to say that so I'll say it for him: 'Everybody shut up. Let us work. At the end of the day, you'll be happy with the result as you normally are.' "

That same quote is going to apply to D'Antoni now. He hasn't won so he can't say shiat. Kobe will support him for now, but he knows that he won't command near the respect that Jackson would've in the locker room.

But like I said before, winning will cure all. This team is built to win titles now and everyone knows it. And I'm interested to see D'Antoni handle that type of pressure and daily scrutiny after basically quitting his last year in New York.
 
2012-11-12 11:00:24 AM  
>Don't follow basketball
>For weeks I've been hearing all about and reading headlines all over Fark, etc, about Lakers' meltdown/epic fail/lost season.
>Looks at standings: 3-4, 2nd in division, 75 games remaining

That's basketball and their fans for you. Over-dramatized and ignorant.
 
2012-11-12 11:05:06 AM  

coolio mack: And I'm interested to see D'Antoni handle that type of pressure and daily scrutiny after basically quitting his last year in New York.



i've already forgotten how that went down....wasn't it more about Lin's brief supernova-type explosion (in Melo's absence) and then how Melo, Amare, and Lin couldn't play together?

and also funny how there was talk of Phil going "home" (Knicks) that dogged D'Antoni down the stretch in NY, and now he's again getting Phil's sloppy seconds.
 
2012-11-12 11:17:04 AM  

rickythepenguin: coolio mack: And I'm interested to see D'Antoni handle that type of pressure and daily scrutiny after basically quitting his last year in New York.


i've already forgotten how that went down....wasn't it more about Lin's brief supernova-type explosion (in Melo's absence) and then how Melo, Amare, and Lin couldn't play together?

and also funny how there was talk of Phil going "home" (Knicks) that dogged D'Antoni down the stretch in NY, and now he's again getting Phil's sloppy seconds.


Well even before Lin he could never figure out a way to get Melo and Amare to play together. His system always seemed best with a penetrating point guard kicking out to shooters and getting up and down the court even after made baskets. Nash and Howard will be fine, but where are the shooters on this team? D'Antoni did say he'd be a perfect fit when this job first came open, so maybe he's had a chance to work some things out based on what he saw from the olympic team.

That's well and fine, but I'm genuinely concerned about the defensive end. It's not sexy to talk about, but like that comic I posted above, the guy just doesn't care about defense. And I know everyone likes to say 'just let Howard clean everything up at the rim!' - well they haven't seen him play much this year. He hasn't moved well at all defensively, and frankly he's been overrated as a defender throughout his career.

I'm not saying he won't work out, but you gotta get Phil Jackson when he's there for the taking for a group like this. He's the master at coping with superstars, getting role players to play their best, and mentally keeping a team together. Just give him whatever he wants for the next two years.

And though this hasn't been mentioned at all, and I'm not sure he would've been interested - I would've liked to see what Jeff Van Gundy could've done with this team.
 
2012-11-12 11:20:38 AM  

coolio mack: I would've liked to see what Jeff Van Gundy could've done with this team.


not looking for a cheap joke here, but is the ron jeremy lookalike or the other guy on TNT?

and you raised a good point (but based off of games you've seen, when I haven't watched literally a single second of the NBA since June) about Howard.....everything i've heard/read is that he turned into a nut case the last year or so in Orlando. I don't think D'Antoni has ever had to deal wtih that. Melo is sensitive, Amare mercurial, but there were no real issues in Phoenix that I can recall.

i just don't know if D'Antoni will be able to put up with Dwight's BS, if in fact Dwight eventually starts his drama.
 
2012-11-12 11:21:47 AM  
Look, it was ridiculously obvious that Brown's Princeton Offense wasn't going to work with this team. Will D'Antoni's offensive offense work? Sure. Defense? Not so much. Any team that has balance or can match them offensively will be most likely able to beat them in a playoff series, so it'll be a question of matchups by that point. (Then again, that's the case with about half the playoffs ever, but you get my point.)
 
2012-11-12 11:34:51 AM  
Mike is a genius. He turned the Knicks around. You could look it tp
 
2012-11-12 11:36:09 AM  

coolio mack: rickythepenguin: coolio mack: And I'm interested to see D'Antoni handle that type of pressure and daily scrutiny after basically quitting his last year in New York.


i've already forgotten how that went down....wasn't it more about Lin's brief supernova-type explosion (in Melo's absence) and then how Melo, Amare, and Lin couldn't play together?

and also funny how there was talk of Phil going "home" (Knicks) that dogged D'Antoni down the stretch in NY, and now he's again getting Phil's sloppy seconds.

Well even before Lin he could never figure out a way to get Melo and Amare to play together. His system always seemed best with a penetrating point guard kicking out to shooters and getting up and down the court even after made baskets. Nash and Howard will be fine, but where are the shooters on this team? D'Antoni did say he'd be a perfect fit when this job first came open, so maybe he's had a chance to work some things out based on what he saw from the olympic team.

That's well and fine, but I'm genuinely concerned about the defensive end. It's not sexy to talk about, but like that comic I posted above, the guy just doesn't care about defense. And I know everyone likes to say 'just let Howard clean everything up at the rim!' - well they haven't seen him play much this year. He hasn't moved well at all defensively, and frankly he's been overrated as a defender throughout his career.

I'm not saying he won't work out, but you gotta get Phil Jackson when he's there for the taking for a group like this. He's the master at coping with superstars, getting role players to play their best, and mentally keeping a team together. Just give him whatever he wants for the next two years.

And though this hasn't been mentioned at all, and I'm not sure he would've been interested - I would've liked to see what Jeff Van Gundy could've done with this team.


If he could handle Mourning, he could handle Howard.

i90.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 11:38:56 AM  

rickythepenguin: coolio mack: I would've liked to see what Jeff Van Gundy could've done with this team.

not looking for a cheap joke here, but is the ron jeremy lookalike or the other guy on TNT?


Haha, the bald guy on TV. Though it'd be great to get them both on the bench and just have Stan Van Gundy bug Dwight. They could even start a Hard Knocks type show called Gundy2Gundy.

www.slamdumb.com
 
2012-11-12 11:43:50 AM  

rickythepenguin: Lost Thought 00: DAntoni was affordable. Jackson wanted a king's ransom to return for just a season or two


chris mannix was just on Dan Patrick, and he says money wasn't the issue; Phil wanted a role either Kupchak or the younger Buss had (GM, president, whatever either's role is), and neither of those guys wanted to cede anything. so phil walked.


Perhaps, though all those things seem negotiable for the right price, if money really wasn't an issue
 
2012-11-12 11:44:27 AM  

gtfan92: I'm probably the only one who thinks this is a better hire than Phil, because the triangle just turns Steve Nash into Derek Fisher.

D'Antoni's defensive deficiencies are overrated; he was fine last year with Tyson. He'll be alright with Dwight and Pau.


They will unload Pau for a few younger, faster players who fit D'Antoni's fast-breaking style.

I personally would've preferred PJ over anyone else by a wide margin, but we'll have to see how it goes.
 
2012-11-12 12:05:37 PM  
If their purpose was to sacrifice all hopes of long-term success in favor of a few more wins this season, then they've done a fine job.
 
2012-11-12 12:11:24 PM  

Gunny Highway: The Lakers signed Mike, Dan, and Tony?


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Wait for it....wait for it...

t0.gstatic.com

BAM!
 
2012-11-12 12:12:04 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Can't disagree with this. Phil Jackson had all the chances in the world and he couldn't get it done. The Lakers were never going to win a championship if they went with Phil Jackson. On the other hand, Mike D'Antoni won an Italian championship, and if you ask the experts, the Italian basketball championship is one of the fifty greatest accomplishments in the sport. In addition, Mike D'Antoni runs the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense. Absolutely incredible. I am not a basketball law-talking guy, but a professional basketball court is approximately 90 feet in diameter. Anyone who can run 90 feet in less than 7 seconds must be a crazy-good athlete.


Win
 
2012-11-12 12:17:03 PM  

tortilla burger: If their purpose was to sacrifice all hopes of long-term success in favor of a few more wins this season, then they've done a fine job.


I'm not sure how much long-term success you were expecting with the current roster. They're built to win this season and maybe next.
 
2012-11-12 12:26:25 PM  

IAmRight: I'm not sure how much long-term success you were expecting with the current roster. They're built to win this season and maybe next.


what do you see Kobe doing? Sticking around well past his prime or leaving when his game is relatively intact?
 
2012-11-12 12:27:31 PM  

rickythepenguin: what do you see Kobe doing? Sticking around well past his prime or leaving when his game is relatively intact?


Depends on if he gets No. 6 or not.
 
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