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(NPR)   NPR can't figure out why pointing out when politicians are wrong doesn't stop them from lying   (npr.org) divider line 105
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2012-11-12 08:29:47 AM  
Truthiness
 
2012-11-12 08:37:17 AM  
Same reason pointing out a sexual predator or a serial killer doesn't stop their compulsions.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:25 AM  
Because psychopaths don't listen to reason?
 
2012-11-12 08:55:29 AM  
"To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.
 
2012-11-12 08:56:59 AM  
We are not going to let our campaign be dictated by reality-checkers
 
2012-11-12 09:06:44 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: We are not going to let our campaign be dictated by reality-checkers


I can easily see them thinking and saying that in campaign strategy sessions. But it takes a unique type of stupid (or testicles) to say that to the press.
 
2012-11-12 09:07:57 AM  
Liberals only care about facts. So if a Conservative Politician lies, that is expected and the Liberals won't vote for them anyways. Conservative voters on the other hand think that everything a Liberal politician does is lie regardless of the facts.

So you have the conditions where it doesn't matter if politicians tell the truth.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-12 09:49:21 AM  

Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.


Sure, that's why half the country thinks real news media is in a conspiracy against them and only Fox can be trusted.
 
2012-11-12 09:53:22 AM  

vpb: Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.

Sure, that's why half the country thinks real news media is in a conspiracy against them and only Fox can be trusted.


Why is the liberal media calling the GOP liars more than Dems? They must be in the bag for the democrats, it can't possibly be that the GOP lies more, because both sides are bad.
 
2012-11-12 09:58:05 AM  

EvilEgg: vpb: Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.

Sure, that's why half the country thinks real news media is in a conspiracy against them and only Fox can be trusted.

Why is the liberal media calling the GOP liars more than Dems? They must be in the bag for the democrats, it can't possibly be that the GOP lies more, because both sides are bad.


Cognitive dissonance will ultimately reach critical mass, and their beliefs will become the only reality by subsuming the actual one.
 
2012-11-12 10:20:18 AM  
fta "Our mission is to inform readers, not change the behavior of politicians,"
 
2012-11-12 10:20:47 AM  
When 'news' organizations happily turn around at 4pm and start actively echoing, and promoting, the lies and obfuscations and more... well, why would they stop?
 
2012-11-12 10:21:30 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Liberals only care about facts. So if a Conservative Politician lies, that is expected and the Liberals won't vote for them anyways. Conservative voters on the other hand think that everything a Liberal politician does is lie regardless of the facts.

So you have the conditions where it doesn't matter if politicians tell the truth.


Reminds me of that door riddle which I always forget the answer to.
 
2012-11-12 10:22:31 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Same reason pointing out a sexual predator or a serial killer doesn't stop their compulsions.


==========

Done. For those who can't figure it out, here is a clue: They are sociopaths.
 
2012-11-12 10:22:46 AM  
There are no repercussions. If you call out a politician for lying, their followers either shrug it off or scream at you for being part of the liberal media.
 
2012-11-12 10:23:04 AM  
A big reason why politicians get away with it all the time is because our "news media" does such a crappy job of speaking truth to stupid.
 
2012-11-12 10:23:45 AM  
Because their phone never rings or they are never mobbed while leaving their office by concerned citizens like me, you, and our friends/family. We are fat cats who are fine with everything provided Dancing With the Stars and Monday Night Football are not interrupted.

If I were a politician, it would take me a month to be a crooked maniac because I'd do a favor for a friend and nobody would ever call me on my bullshiat. And then I'd step it up.
 
2012-11-12 10:24:11 AM  
Consequences, or lack thereof.

It'd be nice to see the torches and pitchforks come out now and again to remind everyone of what can happen.
 
2012-11-12 10:25:07 AM  
No repercussions, duh.

Perhaps if somebody ever received negative feedback for lying in pursuit of public office. Prison time, soap mouths, and cockpunches come to mind.
 
2012-11-12 10:26:14 AM  
Both sides have opinions that are equally valid. If one side says 1+1=2 and the other says 1+1=4, well, darn it, the truth is that 1+1=3. If you say anything other than that you are a shameless partisan tool and can't be trusted as a fact checker and we will defund your little radio station.
 
2012-11-12 10:28:34 AM  
How about shock collars?
 
2012-11-12 10:29:30 AM  
Fact checking won't work because political "groupies" care more about slamming the candidate they are against than anything else in the world. Period.

It's part of what's broken about politics today: You can't have (don't want?) a debate on ideas or qualifications - you just want to say "Don't vote for the other guy - he sucks!"
 
2012-11-12 10:29:51 AM  

NutWrench: A big reason why politicians get away with it all the time is because our "news media" does such a crappy job of speaking truth to stupid.


No need for 'stupid', the mainstream press did an atrocious job of investigative journalism. Today's press see their role as reporting on the controversy around falsehoods instead of directly confirming or investigating statements. From the perspective of process they're little better than TMZ. My smartphone is a better source of direct information.
 
2012-11-12 10:31:37 AM  
This just in: people don't (always) make rational decisions, even when their irrationality is pointed out to them.
 
2012-11-12 10:32:05 AM  
I don't know either, but it seems to have stopped the voters from voting Republican.
 
2012-11-12 10:34:36 AM  
Fewer people than ever pick a candidate. They've chosen a party and will vote Satan if nominated. Thus they rationalize away the "fact checkers" as mere spinmeisters from the opposition party. 

No need for a politician to worry much...
 
2012-11-12 10:37:11 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Liberals only care about facts. So if a Conservative Politician lies, that is expected and the Liberals won't vote for them anyways. Conservative voters on the other hand think that everything a Liberal politician does is lie regardless of the facts.

So you have the conditions where it doesn't matter if politicians tell the truth.


I'm as libby lib as they come, but liberals are also prone to buy into ideas that are argued on half truths simply to support what they want to believe. I don't mean to equivocate because it is much much worse on the Republican side of the fence. However I see economic stats all the time that are cherry picked to make an argument. There really isn't a need though as there is a solid argument to counter nearly ever current idea the GOP supports.
 
2012-11-12 10:39:14 AM  
Because the average voter only cares about their party winning regardless of the douche bag running?
 
2012-11-12 10:39:33 AM  
 
2012-11-12 10:40:40 AM  
If politicians had to actually acknowledge what they said previously and admit it wasn't true then Obama wouldn't have had any time to talk about anything else. Romney might have been able to work something in now and then.
 
2012-11-12 10:48:16 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Same reason pointing out a sexual predator or a serial killer doesn't stop their compulsions.


So I guess Dexter might have to put them down as well...
 
2012-11-12 10:48:20 AM  

randomjsa: If politicians had to actually acknowledge what they said previously and admit it wasn't true then Obama wouldn't have had any time to talk about anything else. Romney might have been able to work something in now and then.


I sense you're trying to troll here, but this is just a poor effort.
 
2012-11-12 10:49:36 AM  
DM: "You seem to have convinced the blacksmith to lower the price of the sword."
Golstaff: "Rock and roll! I use the sword."
D: "What do you mean you use the sword?"
G: "I swing it around to see it its magical."
D: "You can't tell if a sword is magical by swing it around its not a lightsaber."
G: "Whatever. However, I'm supposed to find out if its magical."
D: "It's called a 'detect magic' spell."
G: "I didn't want to use that up."
D: "Well, say you slept for 6 hours after you use it."
G: "Fine, detect magic."
*pause*
D: "It's not magic."
G: "DUUUUUUUDE, he said it was a magical sword!"
D: "He was lying."
G: "He said he never tells a lie!"
D: "He was lying when he said that."
 
2012-11-12 10:50:56 AM  

smeag0l: We've become a tribal nation without teepees.


That article and the linked one by David Kirkpatrick were really interesting. Thanks.
 
2012-11-12 10:53:23 AM  

randomjsa: If politicians had to actually acknowledge what they said previously and admit it wasn't true then Obama wouldn't have had any time to talk about anything else. Romney might have been able to work something in now and then.


Romney buried us with so many lies and outright reversals of position (which he denied every time) that the media and the fact checkers didn't have the time and resources to confront them all. Lying was his strategy. And it failed.
 
2012-11-12 10:56:26 AM  
They only have to look in the mirror and see how they still treat Bill CLinton who lied on national TV and to congress, was impeached, yet the media and dems still worship him. Go figure
 
2012-11-12 10:56:57 AM  
Probably because for large segments of BOTH PARTIES reality has become more of a philosophical belief and truth is not considered all that relevant. Take a look at Rove and his refusal to accept what statisticians were saying (85%+ chance Fartbongo wins) and his ability to just write this off as a librul conspiracy. When you are willing to wear blinders the whole true false equation goes out the window.
 
2012-11-12 10:58:11 AM  
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2012-11-12 10:58:29 AM  

Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.


It is brilliant. Person calls out the lie, gets another lie in response. Generally the person will then have to disengage in order to research the point and conclude with certainty that it was also a lie. He spends a great deal more time and effort falsifying statements than the liar does just making them up on the spot. And meanwhile, the people who were present during the exchange leave with the expectation that the new statement was also true, until proven false - the proof of which may not always get back to the individuals present at the time.

Like kicking over a house of cards, only it is the liar who's doing the kicking.
 
2012-11-12 10:59:29 AM  

smeag0l: We've become a tribal nation without teepees.


Become? We've rarely been anything else.
 
2012-11-12 10:59:37 AM  

EvilEgg: vpb: Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.

Sure, that's why half the country thinks real news media is in a conspiracy against them and only Fox can be trusted.

Why is the liberal media calling the GOP liars more than Dems? They must be in the bag for the democrats, it can't possibly be that the GOP lies more, because both sides are bad.


www.waronscience.com

I'll just leave this here
 
2012-11-12 11:01:22 AM  

Diogenes: "To judge credibility, the fact-checkers must be regarded as credible judges. But each time they are pulled into a scuffle with politicians, they can look more like political actors to the public - an assumption that especially benefits those politicians who lie with the greatest abandon."

Brilliant. So just lie more.


Well, when the "fact-checkers" are as big a bunch of liars as the politicians themselves, why not?
 
2012-11-12 11:03:37 AM  

monoski: Probably because for large segments of BOTH PARTIES reality has become more of a philosophical belief and truth is not considered all that relevant. Take a look at Rove and his refusal to accept what statisticians were saying (85%+ chance Fartbongo wins) and his ability to just write this off as a librul conspiracy. When you are willing to wear blinders the whole true false equation goes out the window.


Its not like he recieved 99% or more of votes in certain precincts, that only happens in places like Iran and venzuela.

/still would have won despite that
 
2012-11-12 11:03:56 AM  
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Joseph Goebbels
 
2012-11-12 11:04:34 AM  

Joe Blowme: They only have to look in the mirror and see how they still treat Bill CLinton who lied on national TV and to congress, was impeached, yet the media and dems still worship him. Go figure


Nice job with the but but Clinton!

A guy who lied about his personal life to character assassins. Are you just gonna give Rmoney a pass then?
 
2012-11-12 11:05:57 AM  

Joe Blowme: They only have to look in the mirror and see how they still treat Bill CLinton who lied on national TV and to congress, was impeached, yet the media and dems still worship him. Go figure


Yeah, speaking of lying....
 
2012-11-12 11:09:52 AM  
Don't say "Politicians", say "Republicans", because those are the farking liars. fark you NPR.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:05 AM  
When you're talking about lies, it's America's inability to confront the big one that has left us all in the Twilight Zone.
I'm referring to the invasion of Iraq.
From the Republicans who crafted it to the Democrats who supported it for political expediency to the news media who promoted it with all the glitz "shock-and-awe" glamor and unquestioning embedded reporters, to all of us who re-elected George W. Bush, we've all got the burden of thousands of dead American soldiers and tens of thousands of dead innocent Iraqis to answer for.
Until we do that as a society, lies will prevail.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:36 AM  
Because the majority of voters have the attention span of a gnat.

unless it involves sex
 
2012-11-12 11:11:00 AM  

Joe Blowme: monoski: Probably because for large segments of BOTH PARTIES reality has become more of a philosophical belief and truth is not considered all that relevant. Take a look at Rove and his refusal to accept what statisticians were saying (85%+ chance Fartbongo wins) and his ability to just write this off as a librul conspiracy. When you are willing to wear blinders the whole true false equation goes out the window.

Its not like he recieved 99% or more of votes in certain precincts, that only happens in places like Iran and venzuela.

/still would have won despite that


True, looking at the country as a single entity the race was close but sticking your head in the sand and only considering the nationwide vote is naive at best.
 
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