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(Kitsap Sun)   Attention people of Washington: The vote to legalize marijuana won't be enacted until December and even when that happens it's still illegal to openly smoke it in the park. "We saw it on the news"   (kitsapsun.com) divider line 116
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2012-11-12 08:18:30 AM  
They aren't the sharpest bulb in the drawer.
 
2012-11-12 09:02:13 AM  
I read that in Frankie McDonald's voice.
 
2012-11-12 09:03:25 AM  
I read the first part of that headline in Frankie Macdonald's voice.
 
2012-11-12 09:05:08 AM  

SnarfVader: They aren't the sharpest bulb in the drawer.


Couple of sandwiches short of a full deck.
 
2012-11-12 09:09:27 AM  
I'm anxious for other states to see how well this works and change their laws accordingly...
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2012-11-12 09:13:11 AM  
Not the sharpest crayon in the box.
 
2012-11-12 09:14:54 AM  
The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.
 
2012-11-12 09:16:49 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.


Didn't they just excuse 220 pot arrests in Washington?
 
2012-11-12 09:17:05 AM  
I have to wonder if this burnout even voted; that seems like something that may take some planning, reading, et cetera that he's demonstrably incapable of.

But, to answer Steve Doocy's "potted up" hypothetical: this suspect was also charged with DUI.
 
2012-11-12 09:18:30 AM  
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2012-11-12 09:19:56 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.


It's almost like they're trying to enforce a speed limit. How dare they infringe on your right to drive like an asshole.
 
2012-11-12 09:22:19 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.

It's almost like they're trying to enforce a speed limit. How dare they infringe on your right to drive like an asshole.


Driving like an asshole isn't remotely like using marijuana. The former harms others on the roadway; the latter only affects the user.
 
2012-11-12 09:25:26 AM  
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2012-11-12 09:27:38 AM  

IntertubeUser: Tat'dGreaser: Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.

It's almost like they're trying to enforce a speed limit. How dare they infringe on your right to drive like an asshole.

Driving like an asshole isn't remotely like using marijuana. The former harms others on the roadway; the latter only affects the user.


And the "driving high is extremely safe" can of worms has been opened....

/Just like the drunk whose driven hammered 100's of times without any issues....
 
2012-11-12 09:28:13 AM  
Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.
 
2012-11-12 09:28:42 AM  
More importantly, how do I go about scoring weed in Brekenridge this March? I figure that by then a small industry will spring up to service the legions of wintersports guests. Will I be able to just buy some at the crepe stand down the street from our condo?
 
2012-11-12 09:29:17 AM  
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2012-11-12 09:32:03 AM  

vudukungfu: SnarfVader: They aren't the sharpest bulb in the drawer.

Couple of sandwiches short of a full deck.


Not the sharpest tree on the farm.

/Friend of mine said that once and it took both of us a few minutes to realize it wasn't quite right.
//Also - the wheels are turning, but there's nobody home.
///A few bricks short of a picnic.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:22 AM  
A few cards short of a sharp edge.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:44 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.


Actually they threw out 220 cases in King county alone and announced that they aren't enforcing possession laws now
 
2012-11-12 09:35:45 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.


I can't believe people still don't get this. It just blows my mind... you fight for something, and then when you finally win, you blow it by being an idiot about it...
 
2012-11-12 09:35:51 AM  

GoodOmens: IntertubeUser: Tat'dGreaser: Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.

It's almost like they're trying to enforce a speed limit. How dare they infringe on your right to drive like an asshole.

Driving like an asshole isn't remotely like using marijuana. The former harms others on the roadway; the latter only affects the user.

And the "driving high is extremely safe" can of worms has been opened....

/Just like the drunk whose driven hammered 100's of times without any issues....


Except for the studies that have shown experienced marijuana users show no impairment and even drive more cautiously when stoned.
 
2012-11-12 09:38:12 AM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.

Actually they threw out 220 cases in King county alone and announced that they aren't enforcing possession laws now


Also, they arrested the driver for another warrant and made everybody else walk home. Harsh.

4/10 to Matrix
 
2012-11-12 09:38:41 AM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: GoodOmens: IntertubeUser: Tat'dGreaser: Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.

It's almost like they're trying to enforce a speed limit. How dare they infringe on your right to drive like an asshole.

Driving like an asshole isn't remotely like using marijuana. The former harms others on the roadway; the latter only affects the user.

And the "driving high is extremely safe" can of worms has been opened....

/Just like the drunk whose driven hammered 100's of times without any issues....

Except for the studies that have shown experienced marijuana users show no impairment and even drive more cautiously when stoned.


I resemble that remark...
 
2012-11-12 09:40:17 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.


Right here.
I'm in Colorado and I voted for the amendment. Not that I smoke, but because I'm for less government involvement.
And if the a$$hats start smoking in public (they do already), I'll be the first person to vote against it in 2 years. Hopefully they'll use some common sense, but there are alot of hippies here (the worthless 20-something ones, not the peace-loving type) and they like to think they're 'edgy' and will surely fark this up.
 
2012-11-12 09:42:13 AM  

WhippingBoy: TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.

I can't believe people still don't get this. It just blows my mind... you fight for something, and then when you finally win, you blow it by being an idiot about it...


I'm sure the fark-up with a DUI warrant is deeply sorry he brought shame to the Pot Smokers Bloc
 
2012-11-12 09:45:04 AM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Except for the studies that have shown experienced marijuana users show no impairment and even drive more cautiously when stoned.


Consider that at least in two states now we may actually see legitimately-produced (i.e. not under cover of darkness), academic studies to promote about marijuana use, effects, etc. Obviously these won't be federally funded, but something has to crack the door to getting high-quality, high-visibility studies to get rid of the "Reefer Madness" basis of most of our pot laws. It will be a lot easier to conduct double-blind studies and peer-reviewed duplication when there's so much less chance of the professor and the entire graduate staff going to prison and having all assets seized.

/non-user, ever
//just want some sense in the law
 
2012-11-12 09:45:42 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cops are gonna go into overdrive trying to get as many arrests in as they can before the deadline, because to a cop, pot busts are BETTER THAN SEX.
Then, next year, they'll just put more radar units on the road to keep themselves busy harassing everyone.


Actually, they aren't. The DAs of several counties are dismissing active cases, and several county Police and Sheriffs departments are already announcing the immediate cessation of arrests for marijuana. According to a friend, there is talk in the local county DAs office about reviewing and dismissing some cases that have already been adjudicated. It is a college town and the local PD has always been pro-legalization going back to the 1970s. The paperwork has always been a huge pain in the ass, and we have enough local psycho thugs to keep the local Gendarmes busy in any case.

This is the beginning of the end of a long standing, deliberate legal excuse to prosecute and imprison non-whites for entirely racist and unconstitutional purposes. Promoted by openly racist newspaper publishers like WR Hearst and industrialists like Henry Ford and Henri DuPont.

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US,
and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers.
Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage.
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations
with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

- Henry J. Anslinger
 
2012-11-12 09:45:50 AM  

IntertubeUser: Driving like an asshole isn't remotely like using marijuana. The former harms others on the roadway; the latter only affects the user.


Paranoid much? I believe radar guns are used for speeding. I was talking about speeding, not smoking pot.
 
2012-11-12 09:46:00 AM  
Not the brightest knife in the drawer.
 
2012-11-12 09:47:36 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.



THIS

Also, get a vaporizer so no one complains about the smell or "second hand pot smoke."
 
2012-11-12 09:48:20 AM  
"Unlike alcohol, which "flushes through your system" relatively quickly, marijuana builds up in the body's fat cells, according to Troy Barber, a Poulsbo resident and spokesman for Sensible Washington, which opposed I-502."

I always wondered if people who make this argument think with their fat cells.
 
2012-11-12 09:49:19 AM  
How is it that tobacco smoke is ok in parks, but left-hand smoke is not? Please show your work.

How do you define DUI when there are no thresholds defined for marijuana? I'm ok with drivers being charged for DUI, but there is simply no testing around what constitutes being under the influence of marijuana.

So to summarize - it sounds like both parties (stoners and cops) are making huge assumptions about what is acceptable use.
 
2012-11-12 09:49:47 AM  

SwiftFox: "Unlike alcohol, which "flushes through your system" relatively quickly, marijuana builds up in the body's fat cells, according to Troy Barber, a Poulsbo resident and spokesman for Sensible Washington, which opposed I-502."

I always wondered if people who make this argument think with their fat cells.


It's all they have left after watching FOXNews for the last 15 years.
 
2012-11-12 09:52:05 AM  

Elzar: How is it that tobacco smoke is ok in parks, but left-hand smoke is not? Please show your work.

How do you define DUI when there are no thresholds defined for marijuana? I'm ok with drivers being charged for DUI, but there is simply no testing around what constitutes being under the influence of marijuana.

So to summarize - it sounds like both parties (stoners and cops) are making huge assumptions about what is acceptable use.


when pot is legal i'm assuming they will let u smoke outside.
 
2012-11-12 09:53:33 AM  

WhippingBoy: TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.

I can't believe people still don't get this. It just blows my mind... you fight for something, and then when you finally win, you blow it by being an idiot about it...


Yeah, a lot of the stoners on reddit weren't wild with me mentioning it. I don't care what people do in their private places, but I don't like the smell of weed. I give them about a 50/50 shot of blowing it.
 
2012-11-12 09:53:41 AM  
Since I would like to be able to enjoy the recreational use of some green, I support the states that are doing this, and hope it spreads. Why dont I partake now? I like my perfectly clean record, and the CCW license it allows me to have.

The biggest hurdle to get over...its still illegal by Federal law. Chances are the typical "personal use" level smoker wont get the attention of the Feds. However, should some idiot decide to pop up of Facebook, Twitter, etc with something stupid like "just got a pound of green, another coming in tomorrow" well that person might get a visit. As already pointed out the success of this depends on the people on the front lines...start acting like crazed teenagers with a free pass and you will get it reversed faster than you know.
 
2012-11-12 09:58:49 AM  
DAs and prosecutors may not be making much effort for prosecuting marijuana users.

But you know what looks really sexy on a prosecutor's resume: Felony convictions for prohibited person in possession of a firearm.

Marijuana is still illegal under federal law, even with a doctor's prescription for medical marijuana. Thus you are an "unlawful user of a controlled substance", which makes you unable to lawfully own, or even touch, a firearm.

It's a tangled web of laws, and I don't see it being untangled any time soon.
 
2012-11-12 09:59:31 AM  

WhippingBoy: TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.

I can't believe people still don't get this. It just blows my mind... you fight for something, and then when you finally win, you blow it by being an idiot about it...


They're pot smokers. They aren't making the smartest choices to begin with.

/for legalization
//still think you are an idiot if you smoke
 
2012-11-12 09:59:42 AM  

Elzar: How is it that tobacco smoke is ok in parks, but left-hand smoke is not? Please show your work.

How do you define DUI when there are no thresholds defined for marijuana? I'm ok with drivers being charged for DUI, but there is simply no testing around what constitutes being under the influence of marijuana.

So to summarize - it sounds like both parties (stoners and cops) are making huge assumptions about what is acceptable use.


Maybe you should read the specifics developed in support of I-502. I don't even live there and I know these questions have been answered.
 
2012-11-12 10:00:54 AM  

factoryconnection: I have to wonder if this burnout even voted; that seems like something that may take some planning, reading, et cetera that he's demonstrably incapable of.

But, to answer Steve Doocy's "potted up" hypothetical: this suspect was also charged with DUI.


I think the DUI was for previous infraction, "The man, who was also the subject of an arrest warrant for DUI"

WhippingBoy: TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.

I can't believe people still don't get this. It just blows my mind... you fight for something, and then when you finally win, you blow it by being an idiot about it...


relax, the smart ones will learn the new laws and comply, the dumb ones will be arrested, most likely without incident, as this guy was.

fastfxr: TheGreatGazoo: Pot Smokers/Stoners -

You are being watched by the locals and people in other states. If you want this to spread, you better be polite about how you behave when you smoke. The fewer problems there are, the more this will spread. If you act like a bunch of asshats about it, the ban will be reinstated.

Right here.
I'm in Colorado and I voted for the amendment. Not that I smoke, but because I'm for less government involvement.
And if the a$$hats start smoking in public (they do already), I'll be the first person to vote against it in 2 years. Hopefully they'll use some common sense, but there are alot of hippies here (the worthless 20-something ones, not the peace-loving type) and they like to think they're 'edgy' and will surely fark this up.


thank you for voting this way. The citizens of your fine state have jumpstarted a new national and much needed conversation about marijuana laws. If and when there are ever designated areas for consumption, like cafes etc, I hope the smoking public can be respectful of these boundaries. Why would you change your mind on this initiative though, I mean, if they were already smoking in public anyway? i understand the nuisance and hope similar type laws can make it to my state (Not likely, TX)
 
2012-11-12 10:09:41 AM  

Elzar: How is it that tobacco smoke is ok in parks, but left-hand smoke is not? Please show your work.


I'd like a citation that tobacco smoke is okay in parks, given the bans on smoking in public (and non-public) places over the last decade.
 
2012-11-12 10:14:04 AM  
Employees can fire anyone they want for almost anything not marginally related to protected categories. If race, religion, sex, etc all have the same proportion of left-handed people, an employer can fire anyone for being left-handed. But he can't fire them for not having freckles.

Or maybe he can fire only white people for not having freckles. Ginger or out.

And what if all 3 of a business' Jewish employees happen to be left handed, and none of quite a few more nonjewish ones? Hey, this gets complicated...
 
2012-11-12 10:15:41 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: Since I would like to be able to enjoy the recreational use of some green, I support the states that are doing this, and hope it spreads. Why dont I partake now? I like my perfectly clean record, and the CCW license it allows me to have.

The biggest hurdle to get over...its still illegal by Federal law. Chances are the typical "personal use" level smoker wont get the attention of the Feds. However, should some idiot decide to pop up of Facebook, Twitter, etc with something stupid like "just got a pound of green, another coming in tomorrow" well that person might get a visit. As already pointed out the success of this depends on the people on the front lines...start acting like crazed teenagers with a free pass and you will get it reversed faster than you know.


Have you ever even been to Washington? I lived there briefly and immediately dubbed bud the state flower.

I dont partake and thus dont give a crap but let me assure you that WA will NEVER vote against weed.
 
2012-11-12 10:17:02 AM  

mekki:

They're pot smokers. They aren't making the smartest choices to begin with.

/for legalization
//still think you are an idiot if you smoke


The original Apple Computer, the Macintosh Computer and nearly all the software written for computers for the public market since that invention has been created by people who smoke regularly. My brother says he writes his best code after a couple of bong hits late at night at home. The Apple was invented in a hot tub after several joints had been smoked. One of the finest carpenter/finishwork dudes I worked with smoked pretty much continuously from 6 in the morning until just before he went to bed. He could trim out windows, build and install cabinets faster, with more precision than anyone else I've seen. He was the on-call guy for several construction companies around the area and several houses we built won awards and have been in magazines. There are good reasons why he has always had more work than he could ever handle. Even in the construction bust that happened a few years ago.

One of the more famous Medal of Honor recipients in Vietnam, Peter Lemon said he was stoned to the gills the day he earned that medal.

So, basically, you're talking out of your ass.
 
2012-11-12 10:18:20 AM  

factoryconnection: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Except for the studies that have shown experienced marijuana users show no impairment and even drive more cautiously when stoned.

Consider that at least in two states now we may actually see legitimately-produced (i.e. not under cover of darkness), academic studies to promote about marijuana use, effects, etc. Obviously these won't be federally funded, but something has to crack the door to getting high-quality, high-visibility studies to get rid of the "Reefer Madness" basis of most of our pot laws. It will be a lot easier to conduct double-blind studies and peer-reviewed duplication when there's so much less chance of the professor and the entire graduate staff going to prison and having all assets seized.

/non-user, ever
//just want some sense in the law


Academic studies are already done on marijuana. Indeed, nearly all studies done (I am a neuro grad student so I know just a little about getting grants and all that fun stuff, but haven't applied for my own yet) are federally funded. It will not be easier to conduct research, because for anything to be published, one currently needs DEA clearance and to get their drugs from the DEA (I know a few students in my program that work with cocaine, for instance, although that is slightly easier to get from the DEA at schedule 2). The state laws won't change this, and the DEA will still be a pain in the ass to get research drugs from...and then you'll only get schwag. Luckily it's fairly easy to make concentrates so you can play with THC, CBD, etc. concentrations. I too hope for a day that science isn't hindered by politics, but these state laws do not really address that. I am glad that we've finally really got the ball rolling on legalization, though.
 
2012-11-12 10:18:29 AM  

SwiftFox: I always wondered if people who make this argument think with their fat cells.


Actually, we all do. Brain tissue is similar in many ways to fat tissue. Kids who don't get enough fats and cholesterol in their diet actually suffer mental impairment because of it. In general, anything fat-soluble has a higher residence time in the body than anything water-soluble; that is why it is much easier to get a lethal dose of vitamin A than of vitamin C.
 
2012-11-12 10:21:06 AM  
Ghengis_Socrates: "Also, get a vaporizer so no one complains about the smell or "second hand pot smoke.""

If it goes over anything like Medical Marijuana has around here, most use will transition to the oil and edibles anyway.
 
2012-11-12 10:23:16 AM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Academic studies are already done on marijuana. Indeed, nearly all studies done (I am a neuro grad student so I know just a little about getting grants and all that fun stuff, but haven't applied for my own yet) are federally funded. It will not be easier to conduct research, because for anything to be published, one currently needs DEA clearance and to get their drugs from the DEA (I know a few students in my program that work with cocaine, for instance, although that is slightly easier to get from the DEA at schedule 2). The state laws won't change this, and the DEA will still be a pain in the ass to get research drugs from...and then you'll only get schwag. Luckily it's fairly easy to make concentrates so you can play with THC, CBD, etc. concentrations. I too hope for a day that science isn't hindered by politics, but these state laws do not really address that. I am glad that we've finally really got the ball rolling on legalization, though.


Assuming you could score some non-federal funding, could you do your research then send your paper to a foreign colleague to add their name on as a co-author, add a paragraph or two, and submit for publication in a non-US journal?
 
2012-11-12 10:25:59 AM  

SwiftFox: "Unlike alcohol, which "flushes through your system" relatively quickly, marijuana builds up in the body's fat cells, according to Troy Barber, a Poulsbo resident and spokesman for Sensible Washington, which opposed I-502."

I always wondered if people who make this argument think with their fat cells.


well i suffered a "psychotic reaction" 5 days after using pot, and had to go on disability for the 6 following months

so the argument that it stays in your system is true. cause of problems like this.

sure i wasn't driving recklessly and sluring my words but pot doesn't even do that to begin with so fark all
 
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