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2012-11-12 01:43:16 AM
As a Bronco fan, it breaks my heart to see Jay Cutler not having a good night of it.
 
2012-11-12 08:06:31 AM
How much you wanna bet I could pull 16.7?

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2012-11-12 10:28:03 AM
To be fair, he was concussed for some of those throws.
 
2012-11-12 10:31:58 AM
I really need to start going QB-less in my FFB matchups.
 
2012-11-12 10:37:11 AM
Oh good, the Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back. Bad football opinions for everyone!
 
2012-11-12 10:39:36 AM
Cutler has been a 2nd-half QB all season, with less-than-mediocre first-half numbers. In this game, he got knocked out before he could take a single snap in the second half. So yeah, his QB rating was bad, but not THAT out of line with how he has played this year.

Further, knocking him for his total yardage based on 2 quarters of play is asinine.

So much fail on subby's part that he should just do himself a favor and go euthanize himself now...
 
2012-11-12 10:39:54 AM
Fark all that. What was Cutler's Delahomme Rating tm?
 
2012-11-12 10:40:01 AM
He was concussed for INT #2 right? I mean, that's like entering a contract while drunk, it doesn't really count.
 
2012-11-12 10:41:22 AM
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2012-11-12 10:41:35 AM

js34603: To be fair, he was concussed for some of those throws.


I was wondering what was up with him last night, but from the very start of the game he kept jostling his head from side to side like he had some sort of neck/head issue. I wonder if he hadn't gotten a little dinged during practice.
 
2012-11-12 10:42:09 AM

Owangotang: Oh good, the Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back. Bad football opinions for everyone!


Yep. The guy is one of the tougher QB's in the league. He has to be because his o-line sucks taint. The fact that he played with what looks like a wicked concussion to finish out the first half last night only further proves his toughness.
 
2012-11-12 10:43:27 AM
matt schaub's QBR wasn't any better and he got to play the whole game unconcussed. it was 30 degrees with driving rain, dropped passes and slipping receivers don't help the cause.
 
2012-11-12 10:44:54 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I was wondering what was up with him last night, but from the very start of the game he kept jostling his head from side to side like he had some sort of neck/head issue. I wonder if he hadn't gotten a little dinged during practice.


Dunno about that but he was definitely concussed after the "forward lateral". The one where he got some helmet to helmet love (and his back foot was still on the line of scrimmage).
 
2012-11-12 10:46:23 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I was wondering what was up with him last night, but from the very start of the game he kept jostling his head from side to side like he had some sort of neck/head issue. I wonder if he hadn't gotten a little dinged during practice


He walked to the sideline at one point during a drive where I really wondered if something was wrong with him, because it seemed odd for him to have been doing that. Although the headhunting shot he took in the 2nd quarter is an easy thing to point to as likely to have caused a concussion, and his second INT occurred a few plays later, it's possible it happened earlier (you'd hope the Bears medical staff would have been on it had it happened earlier though).
 
2012-11-12 10:46:56 AM

IAmRight: I really need to start going QB-less in my FFB matchups.


In my league we have PPR and PP Completion. I had to pick up a bye week replacement for Rodgers so I picked up Tony Romo, figuring I could double up on points with every completion to Miles Austin. Miles Austin finished with 5.4 pts, projected for 18.96, Romo finished with 40.36, projected for 57.79.

Joe "Bert" Flacco dropped 71 pts on the waiver wire. Besides him, each of these football luminaries would have gotten me anywhere from 10 to 30 MORE points than Romo had I picked them up instead: Ponder, Bradford, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Palmer, Rivers, and the aforementioned Flacco.

//Oh and thanks Giants for farking up my pick em league too. If the Steelers lose tonight, I drop out of the #1 spot, and that is unacceptable.
 
2012-11-12 10:47:03 AM

Owangotang: Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back.


Also, he's tough as all get out. He's also not a terribly good QB.

/Physically amazing.
//Mentally. . . not so much.
///Bears fan.
 
2012-11-12 10:54:52 AM

ShadezofDis: Owangotang: Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back.

Also, he's tough as all get out. He's also not a terribly good QB.

/Physically amazing.
//Mentally. . . not so much.
///Bears fan.


It was pretty funny that they were touting his 82 passer rating as "best in Bears history." Good lord that's depressing. Philip Rivers has been playing like dogsh*t all year and his passer rating is currently 89.
 
2012-11-12 10:57:12 AM
i bet it was an ideal day for throwing the football too eh subby?

shaub went 14 of 26 with 1 td and 2 picks and 95 yards for a 43 qb rating?
 
2012-11-12 10:58:22 AM

roc6783: Oh and thanks Giants for farking up my pick em league too. If the Steelers lose tonight, I drop out of the #1 spot, and that is unacceptable


Relax guy, they're playing the chefs.
 
2012-11-12 11:00:42 AM

IAmRight: It was pretty funny that they were touting his 82 passer rating as "best in Bears history." Good lord that's depressing. Philip Rivers has been playing like dogsh*t all year and his passer rating is currently 89.


If he continues on this pace he will pass such greats like some guy you've never heard of.

I may have altered some of that, but the entire room quizzically looked at each other and laughed at that line during the broadcast.
 
2012-11-12 11:06:33 AM

IAmRight: ShadezofDis: Owangotang: Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back.

Also, he's tough as all get out. He's also not a terribly good QB.

/Physically amazing.
//Mentally. . . not so much.
///Bears fan.

It was pretty funny that they were touting his 82 passer rating as "best in Bears history." Good lord that's depressing. Philip Rivers has been playing like dogsh*t all year and his passer rating is currently 89.


A combination of getting pounded into the ground week after week and having a lazer-rocket arm that makes him think he can fit the ball past/through defenders. He gets compared to Favre due to his play style, but because he gets injured like a human being, people think he's soft. Compared to Favre (as far as not getting injured) just about everyone who ever played in the NFL is soft.

//Stupid comparison is stupid.
 
2012-11-12 11:07:44 AM
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same old jay

/packers fan
 
2012-11-12 11:08:06 AM

TheOther: Fark all that. What was Cutler's Delahomme Rating tm?


Jake Cutler, Delhomme RatingTM - 33.3 (2 INTs)

\believe the leaders are tied at 50.0 IIRC, can't find it from the threads
 
2012-11-12 11:08:38 AM

thecpt: If he continues on this pace he will pass such greats like some guy you've never heard of.


At this moment, Cutler's Chicago passer rating of 81.8 ties him with luminaries Bernie Kosar and Neil O'Donnell.
 
2012-11-12 11:09:02 AM

ShadezofDis: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I was wondering what was up with him last night, but from the very start of the game he kept jostling his head from side to side like he had some sort of neck/head issue. I wonder if he hadn't gotten a little dinged during practice.

Dunno about that but he was definitely concussed after the "forward lateral". The one where he got some helmet to helmet love (and his back foot was still on the line of scrimmage).


He was beyond the line... NBC's red line of scrimmage was actually about a yard after where the down marker (which is the line of scrimmage) was. The lines you see on TV are not official
 
2012-11-12 11:10:47 AM
the houston texans are a good football team



/super bowl?
 
2012-11-12 11:13:31 AM

thomps: matt schaub's QBR wasn't any better and he got to play the whole game unconcussed. it was 30 degrees with driving rain, dropped passes and slipping receivers don't help the cause.


Not to mention the refs actually let the receivers and DB's play. There was a ton of contact throughout the game and no PI calls.
 
2012-11-12 11:15:53 AM

machoprogrammer: He was beyond the line... NBC's red line of scrimmage was actually about a yard after where the down marker (which is the line of scrimmage) was. The lines you see on TV are not official


Random aside on the LOS thing - I've noticed that if a RB/QB starts running for their lives behind the line, the line tends to move because the camera moves so much. it's like it loses whatever lock it had on the location when it has to go back & forth.
 
2012-11-12 11:16:54 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Owangotang: Oh good, the Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back. Bad football opinions for everyone!

Yep. The guy is one of the tougher QB's in the league. He has to be because his o-line sucks taint. The fact that he played with what looks like a wicked concussion to finish out the first half last night only further proves his toughness.


For the life of me I can't understand why GMs do not do the sensible thing: If you have a decent-to-pro-bowl level QB, you protect his ass by signing/drafting HQ O-linemen. It's nice when you have Pro Bowl wideouts and/or running backs; but if you're O-linemen aren't even worthy of being a backup on some other teams, you are farked.

See Philly with Mike Vick, see Arizona with whomever they have behind C, (historically) see Houston when they had David Carr as their QB but no O-line whatsoever.
 
2012-11-12 11:17:13 AM
Does anybody else here think the perfect thing to rehabilitate Jay Cutler's image would be a thick, Ron Swanson-style 'stache?
 
2012-11-12 11:17:27 AM

Brain_Damage: Not to mention the refs actually let the receivers and DB's play. There was a ton of contact throughout the game and no PI calls


Even stuff they'd always call wasn't getting called. The DB had Hester's arm pinned on one play and they even didn't call that.

Kellen Davis has no such excuse for his suckitude.
 
2012-11-12 11:18:30 AM

thomps: matt schaub's QBR wasn't any better and he got to play the whole game unconcussed. it was 30 degrees with driving rain, dropped passes and slipping receivers don't help the cause.


Not to mention Soldier Field's turf in inclement weather is like quicksand.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:46 AM

Rwa2play: Not to mention Soldier Field's turf in inclement weather is like quicksand


To be fair, it's not much better even when it's 80 and sunny
 
2012-11-12 11:20:01 AM

GQueue: Brain_Damage: Not to mention the refs actually let the receivers and DB's play. There was a ton of contact throughout the game and no PI calls

Even stuff they'd always call wasn't getting called. The DB had Hester's arm pinned on one play and they even didn't call that.

Kellen Davis has no such excuse for his suckitude.


It's not like Hester would've caught the ball anyway. The guy is an awesome return man but a god-awful receiver.
 
2012-11-12 11:21:36 AM

GQueue: Rwa2play: Not to mention Soldier Field's turf in inclement weather is like quicksand

To be fair, it's not much better even when it's 80 and sunny


Funny as hell too. Gillette and Heinz had similar problems; so what they do? Install FieldTurf.

Problem solved.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:52 AM
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2012-11-12 11:25:41 AM

js34603: To be fair, he was concussed for some of those throws.


If he was concussed for some of those throws, the team should be fined for having him out there.

At most, that was 5 throws. He sucked it up. The bears have now lost 2 games because Jay Cutler sucked it up.

Name one game where he was essential in the win.
 
2012-11-12 11:26:39 AM

Owangotang: Oh good, the Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back. Bad football opinions for everyone!


What? someone is going to dissagree with these statements? Those would be bad football opinions.
 
2012-11-12 11:27:32 AM

Rwa2play: If you have a decent-to-pro-bowl level QB, you protect his ass by signing/drafting HQ O-linemen.


It's really tough to do this - the best lines are typically lines that have been together for a while - it doesn't require, and often isn't useful, to use high draft picks or a lot of money on a particular Pro Bowler (I just have LeCharles Bentley and (Nicks, was it? Signed by the Bucs from the Saints?) in my head.)

Giants offensive line (best in football): Snee (2nd round), Boothe (6th round), Beatty (2nd round), Diehl (5th round), Baas (2nd rounder, but hardly ever played at OL in San Francisco, picked up as a UFA).
 
2012-11-12 11:27:50 AM
and as TMQ so often reminds us, if every single pass you attempt clangs to the ground incomplete, 39.6 is your rating.
 
2012-11-12 11:28:58 AM

Rwa2play: GQueue: Rwa2play: Not to mention Soldier Field's turf in inclement weather is like quicksand

To be fair, it's not much better even when it's 80 and sunny

Funny as hell too. Gillette and Heinz had similar problems; so what they do? Install FieldTurf.

Problem solved.


Heinz didn't go to turf. It's just that since that Dolphin game debacle, they've tended to baby the field a bit more.
 
2012-11-12 11:29:36 AM

ShadezofDis: Owangotang: Jay-Cutler-is-a-terrible-QB-and-a-giant-pussy narrative is back.

Also, he's tough as all get out. He's also not a terribly good QB.

/Physically amazing.
//Mentally. . . not so much.
///Bears fan.


aww, cmon, be nice. I mean, he IS the 24th highest rated passer in the leauge. Thats elite, right?

Lets face it, against the same opponent on the same night in the same weather conditions, Jason Campbell (while sucking) put up a 71 passer rating when Cutler put up a 17. While both do have a seven and a one in them, Campbell clearly outplayed him. Just like he would every single week if they let him.
 
2012-11-12 11:30:14 AM

I am Jack's user id: and as TMQ so often reminds us, if every single pass you attempt clangs to the ground incomplete, 39.6 is your rating.


...so you're trying to say Tebow is better than Cutler?
 
2012-11-12 11:33:45 AM

I sound fat: Lets face it, against the same opponent on the same night in the same weather conditions, Jason Campbell (while sucking) put up a 71 passer rating when Cutler put up a 17. While both do have a seven and a one in them, Campbell clearly outplayed him. Just like he would every single week if they let him.


What a bad football opinion. 2nd half magic!

/Cutler sucks, but keep denying it because then the Pack will get to play against a crappy QB twice a year.
 
2012-11-12 11:34:13 AM

thecpt: I am Jack's user id: and as TMQ so often reminds us, if every single pass you attempt clangs to the ground incomplete, 39.6 is your rating.

...so you're trying to say Tebow is better than Cutler?


Hey, Tebow was 3/3 yesterday!

/for a whole 8 yards
 
2012-11-12 11:34:53 AM

thecpt: Cutler sucks, but keep denying it because then the Pack will get to play against a crappy QB twice a year.


They play the Vikings twice a year, too.
 
2012-11-12 11:35:26 AM

I sound fat:

Lets face it, against the same opponent on the same night in the same weather conditions, Jason Campbell (while sucking) put up a 71 passer rating when Cutler put up a 17. While both do have a seven and a one in them, Campbell clearly outplayed him. Just like he would every single week if they let him.


Change those names to McNabb and Kolb and you sound like an Eagles fan from 4 years ago. That "the QB who never plays was better than our starter for a few series so clearly he's better" narrative is big with fans, but never with actual coaches. I wonder why that is.
 
2012-11-12 11:35:52 AM

soakitincider: the houston texans are a good football team



/super bowl?


Why not? Looks like they'll have home field.

Scary teams for them at home would be New England and maybe maybe maybe Pittsburgh. Houston isn't designed to come back from a couple quick scores like those teams can put up.

I don't think they'd be worried about Baltimore. And really Pittsburgh would be trying to get there from a wild card so I wouldn't worry about them either if I were a Texans fan. So can they beat New England in Houston? Definitely.

/picked them to make Super Bowl
//against the Packers, could still happen
 
2012-11-12 11:36:07 AM

Rwa2play: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Owangotang: ***snip***
See Philly with Mike Vick, see Arizona with whomever they have behind C, (historically) see Houston when they had David Carr as their QB but no O-line whatsoever.


From my amateur opinion watching the Packers' turnstile for several years, there are a few more factors at play than just talent.

1. Working together. You can have the most talented guys on the line, but if one shifts the wrong way or misses an assignment or blocking change, the QB is either running for his life or pummeled quickly.

2. The guy across from the lineman. I have seen D-Linemen just straight through/over/around the guy that was supposed to block them. Sometimes, they just get beat.

3. The RB/TE. If the running back is going out for a screen or stays in to block a blitzer, if they screw up it looks like the line's fault, but it is the result of the RB either not getting around to receive the pass quick enough or just pretending to attempt a block. Similar situation for non-blocking TEs. There is a reason the Packers rarely run with JerMichael Finley on the field.

4. Switching teams/injuries. The Pack let go Scott Wells, Pro Bowl caliber center, and brought in Jeff Saturday. Saturday's play sucked for several weeks, but is improving. Wells got injured in the first game and hasn't played since. When you are running a whole new system it is quite different for QBs and O Linemen. Other players have to know the plays, but they have many less moving parts that they need to worry about.

All that being said, talent can make a huge difference and be big isn't a solution, but many teams try that approach.
 
2012-11-12 11:39:09 AM

thecpt: I sound fat: Lets face it, against the same opponent on the same night in the same weather conditions, Jason Campbell (while sucking) put up a 71 passer rating when Cutler put up a 17. While both do have a seven and a one in them, Campbell clearly outplayed him. Just like he would every single week if they let him.

What a bad football opinion. 2nd half magic!

/Cutler sucks, but keep denying it because then the Pack will get to play against a crappy QB twice a year.


What i have found, as a packer fan, is that it doesent matter. Bear fan will love him no matter what because they are so emotionally involved in having an "elite" quarterback that they will defend the indefensable. "Bear Fan" cannot be persuaded that Cutler sucks. Campbell could have thrown seven TDs last night, and chicago sports radio would STILL be clamoring for Cutlers expedient return.
 
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