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(BusinessWeek)   Apple announces resolution of dispute with HTC, cross-licensing of patents, and unlimited clean energy for its offices generated by Steve Jobs spinning in his grave   (businessweek.com) divider line 20
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2012-11-12 08:54:09 AM  
Apple probably just want to focus all of their attention on Samsung
 
2012-11-12 08:55:47 AM  
... oh, the article says that/
 
2012-11-12 08:59:03 AM  
(a) lawyers are expensive and rarely add value;

(b) fighting the last war forever isn't going to make Apple shareholders happy.

Tim Cook is right, and will eventually settle with Samsung et al. Apple needs to focus on the Next Thing. They've shown the world how to do Smartphones and tablets, which will be generic commodities in two years (if you don't think they are yet).
 
2012-11-12 09:18:50 AM  

Cormee: Apple probably just want to focus all of their attention on Samsung


This. I'd expect a similar deal since Apple got spanked in court in South Korea.
 
2012-11-12 09:36:58 AM  

slayer199: Cormee: Apple probably just want to focus all of their attention on Samsung

This. I'd expect a similar deal since Apple got spanked in court in South Korea.


They've also just been ordered to pay Samsung's legal costs in the UK
 
2012-11-12 10:15:28 AM  
I skimmed that headline and thought apple had invent an ibong of some kind.
 
2012-11-12 10:17:21 AM  

slayer199: Cormee: Apple probably just want to focus all of their attention on Samsung

This. I'd expect a similar deal since Apple got spanked in court in South Korea.


But they won in California and at the ITC.

That said, I actually wouldn't expect a similar deal - the Samsung-Apple fight is primarily around design patents, which are more like trade dress... a big part of its importance is in being distinctive. You don't want to cross-license it to your competitor, because then it's no longer distinctive. It's actually really the one area of patents where cross-licensing or ignoring small competitors is mostly off the table.
But the tech stuff? Absolutely. That's what all of these smart phone wars are about - cross-licensing and setting up the next FRAND patent pool and determining who gets what royalty share.
 
2012-11-12 10:20:39 AM  
Yaaaay. Less bickering over non-innovations. Now, about the other umpteen patent circle-jerks...
 
2012-11-12 11:00:37 AM  
The real innovation is putting those disparate pieces together into a seamless whole that costumers want.

Apple is the only one to do that so far.
 
2012-11-12 12:16:03 PM  
Nah, all this signals is that HTC is going to focus more on Windows phone, and Microsoft leaned on Apple to make the whole patent mess go away.
 
2012-11-12 12:42:40 PM  

russlar: Nah, all this signals is that HTC is going to focus more on Windows phone, and Microsoft leaned on Apple to make the whole patent mess go away.


Microsoft is not in any position to lean on anybody. And they make more money on Android than their own mobile devices.
 
2012-11-12 01:01:00 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The real innovation is putting those disparate pieces together into a seamless whole that costumers want.

Apple is the only one to do that so far.


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2012-11-12 01:56:31 PM  

gingerjet: russlar: Nah, all this signals is that HTC is going to focus more on Windows phone, and Microsoft leaned on Apple to make the whole patent mess go away.

Microsoft is not in any position to lean on anybody. And they make more money on Android than their own mobile devices.


Dude, MS has enough patents to seriously go after Apple, if it hadn't signed a patent amnesty with them back on the '90s.
 
2012-11-12 03:00:53 PM  

Theaetetus: That said, I actually wouldn't expect a similar deal - the Samsung-Apple fight is primarily around design patents, which are more like trade dress... a big part of its importance is in being distinctive. You don't want to cross-license it to your competitor, because then it's no longer distinctive. It's actually really the one area of patents where cross-licensing or ignoring small competitors is mostly off the table.
But the tech stuff? Absolutely. That's what all of these smart phone wars are about - cross-licensing and setting up the next FRAND patent pool and determining who gets what royalty share.


But the design patents are questionable. Since Samsung is now the market leader, they're going to continue to fight.

Really though, the fight is more about Android vs. IOS...Google vs. Apple. This could be a long-drawn out process since they have a rather contentious relationship now.
 
2012-11-12 03:04:22 PM  

slayer199: Theaetetus: That said, I actually wouldn't expect a similar deal - the Samsung-Apple fight is primarily around design patents, which are more like trade dress... a big part of its importance is in being distinctive. You don't want to cross-license it to your competitor, because then it's no longer distinctive. It's actually really the one area of patents where cross-licensing or ignoring small competitors is mostly off the table.
But the tech stuff? Absolutely. That's what all of these smart phone wars are about - cross-licensing and setting up the next FRAND patent pool and determining who gets what royalty share.

But the design patents are questionable.


In what way?

Since Samsung is now the market leader, they're going to continue to fight.

... which also means that a similar Apple-Samsung deal is unlikely.

Really though, the fight is more about Android vs. IOS...Google vs. Apple. This could be a long-drawn out process since they have a rather contentious relationship now.

Yes, but as noted above, I'd expect most of the functional technology to be cross-licensed. It's like the auto manufacturers - they cross-license all of their engine and drive train improvements, but fight contentiously over look and feel, since to the consumer, that's the real difference.
 
2012-11-12 03:08:50 PM  

Theaetetus: In what way?


This isn't your first apple vs. samsung rodeo. Surely you don't require a citation or explanation of why or how people take different sides on that issue.
 
2012-11-12 08:56:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The real innovation is putting those disparate pieces together into a seamless whole that costumers want.

Apple is the only one to do that so far.


bullshiat.

I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Motorola Atrix 2. This is replacing the 3rd Iphone I have had. Last was a factory unlocked 3GS. It had:

1. always noticeably worse reception than other phones with T-Mo
2. constantly dialing up voicemail and other contacts on it's own
3. won't play nice with Jawbone bluetooth
4. Itunes is a clusterfark for managing anything

F**k Apple
 
2012-11-13 09:24:58 AM  
Today's buzz has HTC paying Apple $8/phone, and Apple probably looking for something similar from all the other Android makers.

...who are already paying Microsoft.

...and who in most cases aren't making any profit themselves.

So apparently, selling Android phones is the hot new way to put money in the iOS and WinPhone coffers. Splendid.
 
2012-11-13 10:12:25 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: 3. won't play nice with Jawbone bluetooth


This is one of my reasons for going to Android. The Jawbone and Apple forums are littered with people complaining about their Jawbone performance on the iPhone. Apple refuses to acknowledge it. I can tell you it's definitely an issue because when I've switched phones, somehow people can hear me much more clearly than on my iPhone.
 
2012-11-13 10:39:02 AM  

slayer199: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: 3. won't play nice with Jawbone bluetooth

This is one of my reasons for going to Android. The Jawbone and Apple forums are littered with people complaining about their Jawbone performance on the iPhone.


Eh, my old iPhone 3G and its trés expensive Apple-brand bluetooth didn't get along all that well, either.
 
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