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2012-11-12 07:02:59 AM  
modelrockettier.com

Mein Teacher, I shall require this Polish Boy's desk!

24.media.tumblr.com

Lil Hitler, Achtung Blitzkreig!
 
2012-11-12 07:12:48 AM  
We just need a little elbow room.
 
2012-11-12 07:14:10 AM  
Don't forget to shut those screen doors, men.
 
2012-11-12 07:19:03 AM  
Hope this turns into a hot polish chick thread.

/Would have liked to been stationed in Poland
 
2012-11-12 07:20:00 AM  
In before Putin's herp derp.
 
2012-11-12 07:24:56 AM  
damn, how many countries we need troops in?
 
2012-11-12 07:29:17 AM  
As an Australian, also a Midnight Oil fan and opposed to US military bases in my country, my question to US farkers is do you think this represents value for your hard-paid tax dollars? (Obviously this doesn't apply to Mitt Romney.)

The cold war ended 20 years ago. I've had to explain it to my rather incredulous teenage kids. They can't believe such a stupid situation could have existed.

I sort of get Afghanistan. I can't get Iraq (on the basis it was the worst military strategy anyone could have applied given the war in Afghanistan - seriously, Al Qaeda would have been shiatting themselves in bunkers in Afghanistan right up to the moment George W invaded Iraq, giving them a massive PR boost in the middle east as well as diverting massive military power away from Afghanistan). Why the fark does the US need a military population in Europe? The Russians are much less threat than are occasionally credited for, and no one else is any threat at all. This is just about sucking arse and posturing. At your tax dollar expense.

Anyone?
 
2012-11-12 07:30:09 AM  
I've traveled extensively in Poland, have never had a problem finding anyone who didn't speak some English, especially taxi drivers. I scoff at the article.
 
2012-11-12 07:31:32 AM  

Aussie_As: As an Australian, also a Midnight Oil fan and opposed to US military bases in my country, my question to US farkers is do you think this represents value for your hard-paid tax dollars? (Obviously this doesn't apply to Mitt Romney.)

The cold war ended 20 years ago. I've had to explain it to my rather incredulous teenage kids. They can't believe such a stupid situation could have existed.

I sort of get Afghanistan. I can't get Iraq (on the basis it was the worst military strategy anyone could have applied given the war in Afghanistan - seriously, Al Qaeda would have been shiatting themselves in bunkers in Afghanistan right up to the moment George W invaded Iraq, giving them a massive PR boost in the middle east as well as diverting massive military power away from Afghanistan). Why the fark does the US need a military population in Europe? The Russians are much less threat than are occasionally credited for, and no one else is any threat at all. This is just about sucking arse and posturing. At your tax dollar expense.

Anyone?


We've got this gigantic military and have to put it somewhere. The deserts of Australia seem as good as any.
 
2012-11-12 07:47:55 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: damn, how many countries we need troops in?


You've never played Risk?
 
2012-11-12 07:47:59 AM  
"What's unique about this mission is, now we've made a commitment that we will be here, that we will train here, that we will integrate," he said. "This shows our commitment to Poland and our commitment to making them a fully capable NATO partner."

but why? are we really that worried Russia might get handsy? this is where the subtlties of diplomacy are lost on me. I am sure there is value in someone's mind, but it's all kabuki to me.
 
xcv
2012-11-12 08:07:06 AM  

Aussie_As: As an Australian, also a Midnight Oil fan and opposed to US military bases in my country, my question to US farkers is do you think this represents value for your hard-paid tax dollars? (Obviously this doesn't apply to Mitt Romney.)

The cold war ended 20 years ago. I've had to explain it to my rather incredulous teenage kids. They can't believe such a stupid situation could have existed.

I sort of get Afghanistan. I can't get Iraq (on the basis it was the worst military strategy anyone could have applied given the war in Afghanistan - seriously, Al Qaeda would have been shiatting themselves in bunkers in Afghanistan right up to the moment George W invaded Iraq, giving them a massive PR boost in the middle east as well as diverting massive military power away from Afghanistan). Why the fark does the US need a military population in Europe? The Russians are much less threat than are occasionally credited for, and no one else is any threat at all. This is just about sucking arse and posturing. At your tax dollar expense.

Anyone?


Especially considering the hawks don't even have to downsize the military; just relocate the forces to the US and all those troops will be spending billions in local stateside economies rather than propping up foreign towns.
 
2012-11-12 08:07:21 AM  
This is stupid. Why the hell do we spend so much time and money on other countries when we should be spending it here!!
 
2012-11-12 08:09:19 AM  
"There aren't any American facilities here,"
I'll bet Darth Vader & Co. are drooling for some new no-bid contracts.
 
2012-11-12 08:09:45 AM  
Poland came to the aid of the US during our Revolutionary War, the two nations have long-standing ties. Working more closely with them would be helpful whenever NATO policy declares we have to help put out some brushfire conflict in Europe.
 
2012-11-12 08:18:24 AM  
Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.
 
2012-11-12 08:21:17 AM  
Staffed with 10 people.

We're just not remembering them very much.
 
2012-11-12 08:23:25 AM  

phrawgh: We just need a little elbow room.


I believe the term is Lebensraum.
 
2012-11-12 08:28:55 AM  

xcv: Especially considering the hawks don't even have to downsize the military; just relocate the forces to the US and all those troops will be spending billions in local stateside economies rather than propping up foreign towns.


*THAT* is the nub of the issue: Most countries don't *WANT* us to leave, because we spend a lot of money there. Not just direct military support, but also the money that military personnel pump into the local economy.
 
2012-11-12 08:30:08 AM  

Lord Summerisle: Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.


I don't see anything especially bad about that. They lost, Ernesto.
 
2012-11-12 08:31:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Aussie_As: As an Australian, also a Midnight Oil fan and opposed to US military bases in my country, my question to US farkers is do you think this represents value for your hard-paid tax dollars? (Obviously this doesn't apply to Mitt Romney.)

The cold war ended 20 years ago. I've had to explain it to my rather incredulous teenage kids. They can't believe such a stupid situation could have existed.

I sort of get Afghanistan. I can't get Iraq (on the basis it was the worst military strategy anyone could have applied given the war in Afghanistan - seriously, Al Qaeda would have been shiatting themselves in bunkers in Afghanistan right up to the moment George W invaded Iraq, giving them a massive PR boost in the middle east as well as diverting massive military power away from Afghanistan). Why the fark does the US need a military population in Europe? The Russians are much less threat than are occasionally credited for, and no one else is any threat at all. This is just about sucking arse and posturing. At your tax dollar expense.

Anyone?

We've got this gigantic military and have to put it somewhere. The deserts of Australia seem as good as any.


.
Got you covered, we have troops in the deserts of Australia too.
 
2012-11-12 08:31:24 AM  

what_now: This is stupid. Why the hell do we spend so much time and money on other countries when we should be spending it here!!


Well, to be precise... As i understand it, if you want to intercept Iran's future nukes on their way to the US, you need launch-phase monitoring in Turkey, and more tracking stations around the Poland-ish neighbourhood.
 
2012-11-12 08:39:56 AM  

opiumpoopy: what_now: This is stupid. Why the hell do we spend so much time and money on other countries when we should be spending it here!!

Well, to be precise... As i understand it, if you want to intercept Iran's future nukes on their way to the US, you need launch-phase monitoring in Turkey, and more tracking stations around the Poland-ish neighbourhood.


I dispute the concept that Iran's future nukes are our concern at all.
 
2012-11-12 08:42:17 AM  

Aussie_As: As an Australian, also a Midnight Oil fan and opposed to US military bases in my country, my question to US farkers is do you think this represents value for your hard-paid tax dollars? (Obviously this doesn't apply to Mitt Romney.)

The cold war ended 20 years ago. I've had to explain it to my rather incredulous teenage kids. They can't believe such a stupid situation could have existed.

I sort of get Afghanistan. I can't get Iraq (on the basis it was the worst military strategy anyone could have applied given the war in Afghanistan - seriously, Al Qaeda would have been shiatting themselves in bunkers in Afghanistan right up to the moment George W invaded Iraq, giving them a massive PR boost in the middle east as well as diverting massive military power away from Afghanistan). Why the fark does the US need a military population in Europe? The Russians are much less threat than are occasionally credited for, and no one else is any threat at all. This is just about sucking arse and posturing. At your tax dollar expense.

Anyone?


No. Its a massive waste of tax money. That said, it is better than deploying them to kill civilians as we have done.
 
2012-11-12 08:42:43 AM  

phrawgh: Spanky_McFarksalot: damn, how many countries we need troops in?

You've never played Risk?


The pink properties FTW.
 
2012-11-12 08:47:55 AM  

Lord Summerisle: Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.


Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.
 
2012-11-12 08:52:03 AM  

what_now: opiumpoopy: what_now
Well, to be precise... As i understand it, if you want to intercept Iran's future nukes on their way to the US, you need launch-phase monitoring in Turkey, and more tracking stations around the Poland-ish neighbourhood.

I dispute the concept that Iran's future nukes are our concern at all.


Fair enough. US/Iranian relations not my problem. Try phoning the Pentagon helpline.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:10 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Lord Summerisle: Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.

Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.


Too late, Russia "returned" those lands to others
/V(ot)O(na)D(obraja)K(akaja)R(osija)
 
2012-11-12 08:59:07 AM  

Wrencher: There aren't any American facilities here


Not counting the black sites.
 
2012-11-12 09:04:12 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Wrencher: There aren't any American facilities here

Not counting the black sites.


They had to keep those black helicopters somewhere until Obama's 2nd term
 
2012-11-12 09:24:14 AM  

LewDux: Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.

Wait until Germany wants,Prussia,East Prussia,Pommern,and Silesia restored.
 
2012-11-12 09:50:26 AM  

what_now: opiumpoopy: what_now: This is stupid. Why the hell do we spend so much time and money on other countries when we should be spending it here!!

Well, to be precise... As i understand it, if you want to intercept Iran's future nukes on their way to the US, you need launch-phase monitoring in Turkey, and more tracking stations around the Poland-ish neighbourhood.

I dispute the concept that Iran's future nukes are our concern at all.


believe it or not, but America doesn't exist in a vacuum

although if Iran wants to nuke the rest of the middle east, i'm cool with that
 
2012-11-12 10:26:25 AM  

StickyBunBandit: LewDux: Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.
Wait until Germany wants,Prussia,East Prussia,Pommern,and Silesia restored.


Which Prussia
 
2012-11-12 10:27:26 AM  
?
 
2012-11-12 10:28:27 AM  
Uh, this is the opposite of what the US military should be doing. Hello?
 
2012-11-12 10:30:26 AM  
Dammit, post disappearing.

It's like 10 people, strategically located, Poles have been getting our backs from the Revolutionary War through Iraq, and this is a long time coming. Yeah, yeah, we spend money and have bases everywhere - it's 10 people year-round and 250 in training exercises and at the very least a decent diplomatic gesture.

/Polish-American
 
2012-11-12 10:36:14 AM  
Read The Next 100 Years, by George Friedman. Poland's strategic importance is explained there. Also, it's eerie how accurate that book seems to playing out in real life.
 
2012-11-12 10:58:19 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Lord Summerisle: Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.

Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.


One problem: those lands that Russia stole are now the western flank of Ukraine. Next problem: if Poland sues to get Lwow/Lviv back, then Germany can sue to get Stettin/Szczeczin and Breslau/Wroclaw and Belarus can go after Bialystok (which it held for a few years after the Red Army pushed the Nazis out).
 
2012-11-12 12:28:45 PM  
Link

Poles have reason to be nervous about Russia
 
2012-11-12 01:52:32 PM  
Did someone say Poland?

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-11-12 08:49:10 PM  
www.stripes.com

That looks as cold as Korea. I wonder if the PACAF Form 20 also works in Polish bars.
 
2012-11-12 11:21:38 PM  

Yamaneko2: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Lord Summerisle: Tweaking Russia's nose. Yeah, wise move.

Wait until Poland asks for the land Russia stole from them at the end of WWII.

One problem: those lands that Russia stole are now the western flank of Ukraine. Next problem: if Poland sues to get Lwow/Lviv back, then Germany can sue to get Stettin/Szczeczin and Breslau/Wroclaw and Belarus can go after Bialystok (which it held for a few years after the Red Army pushed the Nazis out).


Taiwan/ROC would oust the PRC and regain their permanent seat at the UN.

That would be interesting to see.
 
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