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If I recall correctly, in the comics there is a bunch of circumstances that happens before Rick loses his mind. Shane, Lori, and the daughter all die. The raping of some of the group by the prisoners, getting his hand cut off, losing the prison, etc. All that happens before Lori calls him on the Crazyphone.

I am not sure the TV viewers can pinpoint the moment he lost his mind. Sure the loss of Shane and then Lori would be tragic, but when compared to what he endured above before losing his mind seems tame.

But the TV show is doing a great job juxtaposing the crazyiness needed to lead a group of survivors in a zombie apocalypse.

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gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.

I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."

Michonne is one awesome lady, by the way. Between her slicing and dicing through that pack of zombies like so much wheat, and then Rick losing his shiat and going crazy with the axe there was some ridiculously good action last night.

itsdan: The phone is actually just piece of medical equipment next to Rick's bed, this has all been a dream he had in his coma after being shot.

You sir, are a genius. They should totally Newheart the finale of this show. Give it six seasons and a movie, then in the final minutes Rick wakes up, the world is fine, and every character we know and love was the product of fevered coma dreams.

Sort of a huge F U to the audience, like the ending of Lost.

gittlebass: In the book the governor tells michonne she can fight her way to freedom not knowing its "staged" asks Michonne to "do him a solid" by entering the arena and letting Doofus McRedneck bash her around a bit. In return, he'll give her some time off from the rapey-rape. She kills the man she's fighting (decapitates him), decapitates a ... 

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//Just finished Compendium 1
///What they did to Andrea (book to show) should be criminal
////Preferred crazy-ass "do you like me?" Donna to battered wife, hillbilly Donna
////I like Darryl over Tyreese but think Tyreese had a better back story
///Slashies are better than bullet points

groppet: Dissociater: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.

Has it? This is frankly why I haven't given the show much of a chance. I thought the source material was pretty damn weak, with Kirkman basically being a terrible writer with next to no plot who constantly writes himself into corners. But if it's avoiding the source material maybe I'll give it a chance, since I do love zombie flicks, and it looks like WWZ is going to be turrible.

Yeah WWZ should just dump the name and call itself something else. I did just see a preview for a movie called Cold Body Warm Heart looks like a zombie comedy where a zombie falls for a potential victim of his. May have to give that a shot


you make a bowel movement today? 'cuz looking at that thing float around the bowl will be about as good.

/there are two decent zombie comedies, Zombieland and Shaun OTD. Any zombie movie that portrays zombies as things that think are already fail since a zombie that can think is not a zombie.

Barricaded Gunman: gittlebass: *SPOILER ALERT*

Feel free to copy this down and use it the next time you drop a major goddamn spoiler in a discussion thread, f#ck-tard. Jesus Christ.

The whole damn thread is spoiler-oriented...I mean c'mon...

born_yesterday: Does anyone think the Governor is sincere about his desire to win over Michonne, or was he just looking for an excuse to get her out of the town and kill her. He's had a lot of dialog in two episodes about her "having the right stuff".

He definitely sees killing her as an option, but I think he'd rather turn her if possible, as long as she could be controlled. She's as skilled a fighter as Merle, but he's psychotic, brutal, and sadistic, while she's absolutely heartless, direct, and efficient. Merle's like a mad dog: Controllable, and definitely has his uses, but sooner or later the costs will outweigh the benefits, and he'll need putting down. Michonne's less-psychotic nature makes her much harder to manipulate and control, but if he could do so, she'd be a much more effective killer than Merle. As such, she would be IMMENSELY useful to the Governor, and he doesn't want to kill a tool like that if he can avoid it.

Does anyone think the Governor is sincere about his desire to win over Michonne, or was he just looking for an excuse to get her out of the town and kill her. He's had a lot of dialog in two episodes about her "having the right stuff".

Oh, who am I kidding. Probably wants to have an orgy with her and a bunch of zombies or some freaky shiat.

The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.

For such a raging alcoholic, you never see the governor actually take a drink... Tin foil hat?

Wicked Chinchilla: gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.

I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."

Michonne is one awesome lady, by the way. Between her slicing and dicing through that pack of zombies like so much wheat, and then Rick losing his shiat and going crazy with the axe there was some ridiculously good action last night.

In the book the governor tells michonne she can fight her way to freedom not knowing its "staged" she kills the man she's fighting (decapitates him), decapitates all the walkers, and then gets locked up for a month and raped by the governor. this is after the governor chopped off ricks hand

Come on Rick, get over it. It's a zombie apocalypse. Shiat happens. Think happy thoughts.

She's with Shane now.

You still have Carl, wherever the fark he is.

MrVeach: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

Would have been much better as real fights.. have people fight for food or generators. Let's get sadistic in this biatch

Or as punishment. Someone gets caught stealing or killing someone, and toss them into the pit to fight the walkers.

Agree with snow shovel," it didn't make much sense. I disagree that it was as bad as Lori's bipolar disorder, though.

snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

Would have been much better as real fights.. have people fight for food or generators. Let's get sadistic in this biatch

Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

born_yesterday: OK, so the people that follow the Goveror: how much do they really know about him? It's clear his thugs know he's a murderous bastard, but what about his aquariums or daughter? I think the scientist knows he's a loon, but WTF is HE going to do about it, he's a wuss.

Oh, and Merle says a guy is a "good man", and that's enough for you, Andrea? How nice it must be to be such a malleable character.

Well six months in the boonies living with a fevers hiding from zombies in freezers and your sense of good and bad may get a little warped. Hey this guy has the lights on, hot water, and everyone protected within the safe zone. You might start looking at the govn'r as a nice guy as well.

I'm rather enjoying this season so far. After two seasons, one decent and the second horrid, I was just waiting for the first two episodes or so to see if it improved. Being the only zombie-show on the market I stuck with it, but if it was going to be another farm-esque story line while playing hide-and-seek with Carl while his bipolar mother freaked out over dishes or something, I wanted no part of it.

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But now the she-beast is slain, Carl is a bit of a badass, and we actually see a couple zombies in our zombie show and not just living "Little House on the Post Apocalypse Prairie," I find myself looking forward to it every week. Bravo, people. It was make or break time for the show, and it has been delivering in spades.

Kirkman really likes the word "definitely".

Daryl (Norman Reedus) pays his respects to his late friend Carol

On an empty grave that they punked the prisoners into digging and then filling in for no reason.

Here's a summary of TFA:

Interviewer: "Spoilers?"

Kirkman: "No."