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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Robert Kirkman discusses the most recent episode of The Walking Dead, which focuses on Rick and The Governor's emotional states (Warning: Spoilers)   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 82
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2012-11-12 03:35:16 AM  
Here's a summary of TFA:

Interviewer: "Spoilers?"

Kirkman: "No."
 
2012-11-12 03:55:53 AM  
***SPOILER***

Andrea makes out with the Governor next week.

***END SPOILER***
 
2012-11-12 03:57:23 AM  
Daryl (Norman Reedus) pays his respects to his late friend Carol

On an empty grave that they punked the prisoners into digging and then filling in for no reason.
 
2012-11-12 04:01:28 AM  
Kirkman really likes the word "definitely".
 
2012-11-12 04:13:41 AM  
as someone with a degree in stories this sounds pretty farking lame.
 
2012-11-12 04:40:32 AM  

fusillade762: Daryl (Norman Reedus) pays his respects to his late friend Carol

On an empty grave that they punked the prisoners into digging and then filling in for no reason.


No they just filled one. They made them leave the other two empty just in case the new guys don't fit in.
 
2012-11-12 05:00:44 AM  
I'm rather enjoying this season so far. After two seasons, one decent and the second horrid, I was just waiting for the first two episodes or so to see if it improved. Being the only zombie-show on the market I stuck with it, but if it was going to be another farm-esque story line while playing hide-and-seek with Carl while his bipolar mother freaked out over dishes or something, I wanted no part of it.

(Possible Spoilers Next Paragraph)

But now the she-beast is slain, Carl is a bit of a badass, and we actually see a couple zombies in our zombie show and not just living "Little House on the Post Apocalypse Prairie," I find myself looking forward to it every week. Bravo, people. It was make or break time for the show, and it has been delivering in spades.
 
2012-11-12 05:14:43 AM  

Shadowknight: I'm rather enjoying this season so far. After two seasons, one decent and the second horrid, I was just waiting for the first two episodes or so to see if it improved. Being the only zombie-show on the market I stuck with it, but if it was going to be another farm-esque story line while playing hide-and-seek with Carl while his bipolar mother freaked out over dishes or something, I wanted no part of it.

(Possible Spoilers Next Paragraph)

But now the she-beast is slain, Carl is a bit of a badass, and we actually see a couple zombies in our zombie show and not just living "Little House on the Post Apocalypse Prairie," I find myself looking forward to it every week. Bravo, people. It was make or break time for the show, and it has been delivering in spades.


I knew once they got to the prison & Woodbury story lines the plot would pick up. Unfortunately season 1&2 were very short & basically were introducing all the players of the story. Now that's done we can finally get to the meat of the story. From what I hear this is where it really takes off & just doesn't let up. It's kind of like a roller coaster. Last week's ep was fast paced & heartbreaking. This week they slowed it down a bit but also gave us a LOT of new information. I've loved this show from day 1. Granted season 2 seemed to drag on forever. Especially with them taking so frakin long to find Sophia but I stuck it out & my reward has been an awesome new season that hasn't been a let down at all.
 
2012-11-12 06:36:57 AM  

fusillade762: Kirkman really likes the word "definitely".


Definitely.
 
2012-11-12 07:31:19 AM  
OK, so the people that follow the Goveror: how much do they really know about him? It's clear his thugs know he's a murderous bastard, but what about his aquariums or daughter? I think the scientist knows he's a loon, but WTF is HE going to do about it, he's a wuss.

Oh, and Merle says a guy is a "good man", and that's enough for you, Andrea? How nice it must be to be such a malleable character.
 
2012-11-12 07:40:38 AM  

born_yesterday: OK, so the people that follow the Goveror: how much do they really know about him? It's clear his thugs know he's a murderous bastard, but what about his aquariums or daughter? I think the scientist knows he's a loon, but WTF is HE going to do about it, he's a wuss.

Oh, and Merle says a guy is a "good man", and that's enough for you, Andrea? How nice it must be to be such a malleable character.


Well six months in the boonies living with a fevers hiding from zombies in freezers and your sense of good and bad may get a little warped. Hey this guy has the lights on, hot water, and everyone protected within the safe zone. You might start looking at the govn'r as a nice guy as well.
 
2012-11-12 08:11:30 AM  
Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:33 AM  

snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.


Would have been much better as real fights.. have people fight for food or generators. Let's get sadistic in this biatch
 
2012-11-12 09:02:27 AM  

MrVeach: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

Would have been much better as real fights.. have people fight for food or generators. Let's get sadistic in this biatch


Or as punishment. Someone gets caught stealing or killing someone, and toss them into the pit to fight the walkers.

Agree with snow shovel," it didn't make much sense. I disagree that it was as bad as Lori's bipolar disorder, though.
 
2012-11-12 09:03:04 AM  
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2012-11-12 09:04:00 AM  

Elfich: born_yesterday: OK, so the people that follow the Goveror: how much do they really know about him? It's clear his thugs know he's a murderous bastard, but what about his aquariums or daughter? I think the scientist knows he's a loon, but WTF is HE going to do about it, he's a wuss.

Oh, and Merle says a guy is a "good man", and that's enough for you, Andrea? How nice it must be to be such a malleable character.

Well six months in the boonies living with a fevers hiding from zombies in freezers and your sense of good and bad may get a little warped. Hey this guy has the lights on, hot water, and everyone protected within the safe zone. You might start looking at the govn'r as a nice guy as well.


Yeah, after living in that nightmarish hell, I wouldn't care, either. Oh, you murdered a bunch of guardsmen? That's nice. Can I still have my warm, safe bed, food, medical care and hot showers?
 
2012-11-12 09:17:19 AM  

snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.


the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.
 
2012-11-12 09:34:17 AM  

gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.


I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."

Michonne is one awesome lady, by the way. Between her slicing and dicing through that pack of zombies like so much wheat, and then Rick losing his shiat and going crazy with the axe there was some ridiculously good action last night.
 
2012-11-12 09:37:21 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Michonne is one awesome lady, by the way. Between her slicing and dicing through that pack of zombies like so much wheat, and then Rick losing his shiat and going crazy with the axe there was some ridiculously good action last night.


And it looks from the trailers that she is gonna take out one or more of the Governor's thugs.
 
2012-11-12 10:00:46 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."


Yeah in the comic books the Governor is just an outright asshole, the gladiator events are used more has a tool for him to maintain control, it does fit together better. It seemed more forced in the show but they're trying to do some nods to the comic book such as that, the phone ringing, losing Lori, etc.
 
2012-11-12 10:01:00 AM  
Come on Rick, get over it. It's a zombie apocalypse. Shiat happens. Think happy thoughts.

She's with Shane now.

You still have Carl, wherever the fark he is.
 
2012-11-12 10:03:34 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.

I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."

Michonne is one awesome lady, by the way. Between her slicing and dicing through that pack of zombies like so much wheat, and then Rick losing his shiat and going crazy with the axe there was some ridiculously good action last night.


In the book the governor tells michonne she can fight her way to freedom not knowing its "staged" she kills the man she's fighting (decapitates him), decapitates all the walkers, and then gets locked up for a month and raped by the governor. this is after the governor chopped off ricks hand
 
2012-11-12 10:12:14 AM  

born_yesterday: Elfich: born_yesterday: OK, so the people that follow the Goveror: how much do they really know about him? It's clear his thugs know he's a murderous bastard, but what about his aquariums or daughter? I think the scientist knows he's a loon, but WTF is HE going to do about it, he's a wuss.

Oh, and Merle says a guy is a "good man", and that's enough for you, Andrea? How nice it must be to be such a malleable character.

Well six months in the boonies living with a fevers hiding from zombies in freezers and your sense of good and bad may get a little warped. Hey this guy has the lights on, hot water, and everyone protected within the safe zone. You might start looking at the govn'r as a nice guy as well.

Yeah, after living in that nightmarish hell, I wouldn't care, either. Oh, you murdered a bunch of guardsmen? That's nice. Can I still have my warm, safe bed, food, medical care and hot showers?


I agree. Over at the prison, Glen is outright admitting that he'd gladly see innocent strangers die to save his core group. It shouldn't be all that surprising that Andrea is ambivalent over the trade-off of morally questionable leadership for security, food, and hot water. On the other hand, the clear focus on everybody (including Andrea but not Michonne) raising a glass to toast, plus the tea last week, makes me almost suspect that the Gov is drugging people a bit to keep them in line. Although exactly how he could do that no doubt stretches plausibility.
 
2012-11-12 10:17:32 AM  

someonelse: On the other hand, the clear focus on everybody (including Andrea but not Michonne) raising a glass to toast, plus the tea last week, makes me almost suspect that the Gov is drugging people a bit to keep them in line.


I think that's just more symbolic of the tacit agreement to not ask questions in exchange for perceived safety. I don't think he would NEED to drug them as long as they felt safe. And don't forget he seems not not like groups, especially strong groups, so there may not be super-strong ties between people to oppose him, the biggest gang in town is in own psychopath guards.
 
2012-11-12 10:30:56 AM  

itsdan: someonelse: On the other hand, the clear focus on everybody (including Andrea but not Michonne) raising a glass to toast, plus the tea last week, makes me almost suspect that the Gov is drugging people a bit to keep them in line.

I think that's just more symbolic of the tacit agreement to not ask questions in exchange for perceived safety. I don't think he would NEED to drug them as long as they felt safe. And don't forget he seems not not like groups, especially strong groups, so there may not be super-strong ties between people to oppose him, the biggest gang in town is in own psychopath guards.


I want to know what's up with the aquarium heads. Can't this guy just use a crazyphone like everyone else?
 
2012-11-12 10:31:10 AM  

gittlebass: Wicked Chinchilla: gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.

I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."


In the book the governor tells michonne she can fight her way to freedom not knowing its "staged" she kills the man she's fighting (decapitates him), decapitates a ...


Okay, since I haven't read the comics...fighting your way to freedom makes a lot more sense...if your Governor is an outward control freak bastard, and that the citizens of Woodbury understand the situation that the Governor is a control freak.

In the show, the Governor doesn't rule with an iron fist, but with a manipulative white glove. Which is awesome.
The Governor has (apparently) done a really good, really subtle job of controlling the citizens through a combination of giving them shelter and telling stories of how awful it is "out there" with appropriate examples. And the offer seemingly always stands that they are free to go, or help in the re-building of this quaint, peaceful society.

Regardless of whether the event is staged WWF-style or not, the audience reactions just doesn't make sense.

So you stage an event where the citizens can watch one of their own, a somewhat trusted member of the people who are guarding them, where they can easily die in the more graphic way that their loved one's died a little bit over a year ago, and they are cheering???? If I watched half my family get run over by a train, I'm not going to be cheering wildly during an event that involves people playing chicken with trains.

As was posted up-thread, it would be plausible if the fight included people who broke the rules that was a detriment to the citizenry as a whole (stealing their fair share of food, for example). Or again, as a re-telling of how Merle and the gang successfully commandeered the military vehicles from a horde of zombies, with revengeful bloodlust of carving of "helpless" zombies.

But as a mere sporting event, it's inane.
 
2012-11-12 10:36:35 AM  
I just think the phone ringing was freaky. For a second I just figured it was Rick having a breakdown of some sort.
 
2012-11-12 10:42:44 AM  
For such a raging alcoholic, you never see the governor actually take a drink... Tin foil hat?
 
2012-11-12 10:48:07 AM  
The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.
 
2012-11-12 10:48:27 AM  
Also, rick heard that baby awfully clearly right before the phone rang.. psychosis.? Well how did he know the phone was there if he had never seen it?
 
2012-11-12 10:53:43 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.


I'm really surprised how much of the prison plot they've dropped from the comic. In the comic, once they initially clean out the prison, they get a long amount of time of relative safety from walkers and there's a lot more time for the characters to interact. In the show, they've gone directly from clearing out the prison, to having to clear out the prison again.
 
2012-11-12 10:57:37 AM  

NeoCortex42: I'm really surprised how much of the prison plot they've dropped from the comic. In the comic, once they initially clean out the prison, they get a long amount of time of relative safety from walkers and there's a lot more time for the characters to interact. In the show, they've gone directly from clearing out the prison, to having to clear out the prison again.


Did they ever really clear out the prison? I thought they locked down their cell block and a couple areas.
 
2012-11-12 11:00:41 AM  

snowshovel: gittlebass: Wicked Chinchilla: gittlebass: snowshovel: Okay, the "Woodbury festivities" have got to be the absolutely stupidest thing I have ever seen on this show since Lori got mad at Rick for killing Shane after she gave Rick a long speech telling him to kill Shane.

You have a whole village of people, who have all lost many loved ones over the past year or so to the biters, who just want to get on with their lives somehow while dealing with those losses. And they are going to be doing this by cheering on two humans fighting in a cage with zombies as the ropes?

I can see if this was a zombie versus human event, where it was clearly staged with the zombies being tied down, and Merle and whoever just goes through and slices them up. You know, the whole violent revenge thing. Or like some of the traditional old school gladiator events, where the governor's men were re-enacting embellished stories of human victories out in the wild against the hordes.

But staged WWF events? I don't get it. That doesn't even remotely fit in with the whole ethos of the way the Governor is portrayed on the show.

the arena is awesome in the book, they did a decent job of resurrecting it for the show.

I was wondering this. I had heard something about the Arena, but have not read the comics. Is that similar to how it is in the books? I envisioned a more Roman style thing based off of disciplinary action or something. "Oh, you stole something, we will lock you in an arena and then you will engage in bloodsport against zombies. If you live, you return to society, here is a framing hammer, have at it."


In the book the governor tells michonne she can fight her way to freedom not knowing its "staged" she kills the man she's fighting (decapitates him), decapitates a ...

Okay, since I haven't read the comics...fighting your way to freedom makes a lot more sense...if your Governor is an outward control freak bastard, and that the citizens of Woodbury understand the situation that the G ...


they react the same way in the book, they love the arena fights. the arena is also huge in the book comicbook.com
 
2012-11-12 11:06:23 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.


Mehhh, it is the father and son that Rick left behind in season 1. The father is out gunning for Rick because he abandoned him and his boy to the walkers. Now the father is calling Rick up to know that he has Carol and if he wants to save her from a faite worse than death Rick is to meet him at high noon on the playground.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:32 AM  
digging this season...

but as a white person, i'm also really enjoying Homeland.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:55 AM  

born_yesterday: itsdan: someonelse: On the other hand, the clear focus on everybody (including Andrea but not Michonne) raising a glass to toast, plus the tea last week, makes me almost suspect that the Gov is drugging people a bit to keep them in line.

I think that's just more symbolic of the tacit agreement to not ask questions in exchange for perceived safety. I don't think he would NEED to drug them as long as they felt safe. And don't forget he seems not not like groups, especially strong groups, so there may not be super-strong ties between people to oppose him, the biggest gang in town is in own psychopath guards.

I want to know what's up with the aquarium heads. Can't this guy just use a crazyphone like everyone else?


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Somebody had to get the ball rolling on this place...now we know who!
 
2012-11-12 11:29:00 AM  

itsdan: NeoCortex42: I'm really surprised how much of the prison plot they've dropped from the comic. In the comic, once they initially clean out the prison, they get a long amount of time of relative safety from walkers and there's a lot more time for the characters to interact. In the show, they've gone directly from clearing out the prison, to having to clear out the prison again.

Did they ever really clear out the prison? I thought they locked down their cell block and a couple areas.


You're probably right. I know I shouldn't keep comparing the show to the comic, but I did enjoy a lot of the prison plot when the characters finally had time to process what was happening and weren't always just reacting to zombies. I figured with how long the show stayed at the farm, the prison would have a lot of down time to focus on character interactions.
 
2012-11-12 11:31:47 AM  
So, basically the whole moral of the story is, "Don't lose your head"

As a zombie or as a human...
 
2012-11-12 11:58:08 AM  
SPOILERS:::

If I recall correctly, in the comics there is a bunch of circumstances that happens before Rick loses his mind. Shane, Lori, and the daughter all die. The raping of some of the group by the prisoners, getting his hand cut off, losing the prison, etc. All that happens before Lori calls him on the Crazyphone.

I am not sure the TV viewers can pinpoint the moment he lost his mind. Sure the loss of Shane and then Lori would be tragic, but when compared to what he endured above before losing his mind seems tame.

But the TV show is doing a great job juxtaposing the crazyiness needed to lead a group of survivors in a zombie apocalypse.

END SPOILERS
 
2012-11-12 12:06:35 PM  
I read the books a long time ago and forget about the phone.
Can't believe they're doing it.
My wife can't understand why I kept laughing.
 
2012-11-12 12:07:29 PM  
Does anyone think the Governor is sincere about his desire to win over Michonne, or was he just looking for an excuse to get her out of the town and kill her. He's had a lot of dialog in two episodes about her "having the right stuff".

Oh, who am I kidding. Probably wants to have an orgy with her and a bunch of zombies or some freaky shiat.
 
2012-11-12 12:21:43 PM  
gittlebass: *SPOILER ALERT*

Feel free to copy this down and use it the next time you drop a major goddamn spoiler in a discussion thread, f#ck-tard. Jesus Christ.
 
2012-11-12 12:34:42 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: gittlebass: *SPOILER ALERT*

Feel free to copy this down and use it the next time you drop a major goddamn spoiler in a discussion thread, f#ck-tard. Jesus Christ.


which one? someone else mentioned the events of the epissode before me, if you're reading the books then sorry, but you'll still be surprised
 
2012-11-12 12:48:34 PM  

born_yesterday: Does anyone think the Governor is sincere about his desire to win over Michonne, or was he just looking for an excuse to get her out of the town and kill her. He's had a lot of dialog in two episodes about her "having the right stuff".


He definitely sees killing her as an option, but I think he'd rather turn her if possible, as long as she could be controlled. She's as skilled a fighter as Merle, but he's psychotic, brutal, and sadistic, while she's absolutely heartless, direct, and efficient. Merle's like a mad dog: Controllable, and definitely has his uses, but sooner or later the costs will outweigh the benefits, and he'll need putting down. Michonne's less-psychotic nature makes her much harder to manipulate and control, but if he could do so, she'd be a much more effective killer than Merle. As such, she would be IMMENSELY useful to the Governor, and he doesn't want to kill a tool like that if he can avoid it.
 
2012-11-12 12:53:16 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: gittlebass: *SPOILER ALERT*

Feel free to copy this down and use it the next time you drop a major goddamn spoiler in a discussion thread, f#ck-tard. Jesus Christ.


The whole damn thread is spoiler-oriented...I mean c'mon...
 
2012-11-12 12:53:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: I figured with how long the show stayed at the farm, the prison would have a lot of down time to focus on character interactions.


I think that's why they AREN'T doing it with this current season. If they did that again, people would probably by and large give up the show. I know this was make or break for me. And yes, they may be straying from the source material and going for action, but I'll tell you, it's a hell of a lot better TV this way.
 
2012-11-12 01:05:48 PM  

Shadowknight: NeoCortex42: I figured with how long the show stayed at the farm, the prison would have a lot of down time to focus on character interactions.

I think that's why they AREN'T doing it with this current season. If they did that again, people would probably by and large give up the show. I know this was make or break for me. And yes, they may be straying from the source material and going for action, but I'll tell you, it's a hell of a lot better TV this way.


i gotta agree with that. i know the budget cuts are really what necessitated the slow season during season 2, but the show was doing so well in the ratings that there should have never been any cuts anyway. Now the show is doing what it should - every episode gives up some great zombie killing while developing the characters a bit as well. They can save the slow shiat for their 5th or 6th season when they are getting 20-22 episodes a season (and for when they get to the pasts in the comic when they are holed in up the walled town and for a good while not much happens). For now, the show really should concentrate (or at least so what it is now) and give us great action mixed with survivor dialog.
 
2012-11-12 01:07:58 PM  

frepnog: and for when they get to the pasts in the comic when they are holed in up the walled town and for a good while not much happens


Although wasn't a lot of their unrest and dissatisfaction with that town because of their experiences in Woodbury?
 
2012-11-12 01:19:01 PM  

itsdan: frepnog: and for when they get to the pasts in the comic when they are holed in up the walled town and for a good while not much happens

Although wasn't a lot of their unrest and dissatisfaction with that town because of their experiences in Woodbury?


not that i recall. they deal with the boss of that town (that liked to bang all the girls) and rick becomes defacto boss. woodbury is forgotten in the comics (near as i can tell).
 
2012-11-12 01:22:29 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The scene is a familiar one to readers of the comics who recall that Rick clung to Lori's memory by continuing to talk to her through phone calls that he staged with her in his mind.

God I hope they don't do this. The best thing about this show was the willingness thus far to avoid being too faithful to what is pretty mediocre source material.


Has it? This is frankly why I haven't given the show much of a chance. I thought the source material was pretty damn weak, with Kirkman basically being a terrible writer with next to no plot who constantly writes himself into corners. But if it's avoiding the source material maybe I'll give it a chance, since I do love zombie flicks, and it looks like WWZ is going to be turrible.
 
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