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2012-11-11 11:01:35 PM
24 votes:
Here's an idea: how about you get your staff to stop raping little kids? When you finally agree that molesting children is wrong, then maybe I'll consider the possibility that you might have some moral authority. But as long as you keep allowing your staff to keel brutally raping children, and you, personally, make an effort to cover up for their crimes, I'm not really convinced that you're in a position to tell anyone else what is right and what is wrong.

In short, Mr. Ratzinger, please don't hesitate to go f**k yourself.
2012-11-11 10:13:31 PM
9 votes:
QFTFA:
"It is clear that in Western countries there is a widespread tendency to modify the classic vision of marriage between a man and woman," he (Father Federico Lombardi) said. "Or rather to try to give it up, erasing its specific and privileged legal recognition compared to other forms of union."

In Western countries we dont believe in specific legal privileges. Everyone is entitled to the same rights, such as marriage.
2012-11-12 12:12:50 AM
6 votes:

hubiestubert:
While they're at it, they might want to look a little harder at how their priests are acting within their own churches. Tend to your own knitting. When Bishops aren't moving priests around to keep sexual predators hidden, maybe then they can take a stab at telling folks what is moral or not...


the Vatican is really getting worried. they've been seeing a slow decline in influence for a while now - not just with the gay marriage issue but here in the US the explosive growth of various christian and pseudo-christian sects has undermined the authority of the Catholic church in north america. In particular, the refusal to even acknowledge the prosperity gospel heresy or deal with it in any way has cost them power, influence AND money in this country and, to a lesser extent, canada. why go to a catholic church and deal with that icky social justice issue when you could just call yourself 'christian' and hoard cash like a greedy miser and get told God WANTS you to be a rich, evil sociopathic bastard? all the money, none of the guilt. no wonder the Vatican is losing influence.
2012-11-12 12:05:59 AM
5 votes:
Do us a favor. Atp worrying about gay marriage and start focussing on the things Jesus actually gave a damn about. Like helping the poor and healing the sick.
2012-11-12 12:44:18 AM
4 votes:

Weaver95: hubiestubert:
America has never been exactly a bastion for the Catholics, not with such a strong Protestant population, and that pesky "freedom of religion" has meant that they can't simply bully folks to get their way. There is a coalition t's between the Catholics and Protestants on issues like abortion and birth control, but that is tenuous at best. They can ally on some things, but in the end, they're competitors for a market...

so long as their religious conflicts don't become violent, I honestly don't care what our various christian sects say about one another.


I do. I no longer buy into the "Christian" crap, if Mormons are now Christians . I'm Catholic, not Christian, and my Church's hierarchy has abandoned its mission. "Free will" is a Catholic tenet, and if you get an abortion, use birth control or get gay married, that's between you and God. Christ never told us to outlaw sin, just told us to forgive the sinner.
2012-11-12 12:23:06 AM
4 votes:
Don't worry. They'll figure it out 600 years after the rest of the world does, as usual.
2012-11-12 12:06:05 AM
4 votes:
Perhaps the Vatican should worry about Rome, and not what folks who aren't Catholic are doing.

That's the issue. Not Catholics. Buddhists. Pagans. Methodists. Lutherans. Unitarians--you know, some of the folks the Catholics ran a Crusade against before they rolled on Jerusalem. The Vatican should worry about what Catholics are doing, and deal with them, and maybe leave governing of a nation that ISN'T Catholic alone. Especially one that is based upon the separation of church and state...

While they're at it, they might want to look a little harder at how their priests are acting within their own churches. Tend to your own knitting. When Bishops aren't moving priests around to keep sexual predators hidden, maybe then they can take a stab at telling folks what is moral or not...
2012-11-12 12:02:36 AM
4 votes:

Frederick: In Western countries we dont believe in specific legal privileges. Everyone is entitled to the same rights, such as marriage.


Indeed. Last I heard, we were a Constitutionally-limited Republic, not a theocracy. The Vatican can go fark itself.
2012-11-11 11:52:27 PM
4 votes:
Boo-frickin-hoo.

I don't give a damn about your "special privilege" to keep a group from having the same rights as everyone else. If you can't accept that, then go fark yourselves.
2012-11-12 07:42:49 AM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If we legalized kiddie diddling they'd be throwing a frikkin party


No, they wouldn't.

Why? Because the stigma homosexuality and pedophilia represents for many religious families probably contribute a significant number of recruits into the clergy.

Legalizing gay marriage legitimizes homosexuality, which probably represents a much larger portion of "recruits" to the clergy than pedophilia (yes, obviously a bigger portion of pedos are homosexual, but only a fraction of those homosexuals are pedos). This will cut down recruiting considerably, which I suspect is the real concern here, though the church can't publicly say that, of course.

Of course, pedophilia will never be legalized (rightfully so), but hypothetically, following the same track, the church would NOT be happy to see it legalized for the same reasons. Many families send off sons who exhibit certain behaviors (such as spending too much time with Father Touchesalot and enjoying it or those that will likely forever bebachelors) to the clergy. It seems ridiculous to most of us here on Fark, but it was a prevalent practice as recently as the 70s... and I'm sure recruiting numbers have been sliding downward since, trending along with the more liberalized social attitudes becoming more mainstream.

Sorry for using your joke as a springboard to make a serious point... the Church is probably seeing dwindling numbers of clergy because they can no longer rely on "traditional" families pressuring members with certain "proclivities" to channel their habits into religious study. I would guess that accounts for their attitude more than anything else. This doesn't paint the Church in a much better light than believing they are socially ignorant and backward - but I think it is far more accurate. It also explains why every effort to "reform" the church on the issue of homosexuality is always doomed to failure - it's not about morality - it's about survival for the church.

Also, I do not assume that all clergy are pedos (I doubt the number even breaks a single percent) or even "repressed" homosexuals (probably 20~30%) or that the church exclusively recruits on these grounds, only that "legitimizing" homosexuality would further hurt their numbers and that is what they are acting on.
2012-11-12 07:01:35 AM
2 votes:

This About That: 1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?


I think we'd become more moral as a species if we managed to rid ourselves of superstition and religion. People who need either for moral guidance are people with no morals whatsoever.
2012-11-12 06:25:36 AM
2 votes:
The vatican is an evil organization, and if they disagree with something we've done or are doing that's a good thing.
2012-11-12 06:25:01 AM
2 votes:

This About That: 1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?


Muslim civilization was at its best as a society when it was most secular. Conversely, when it descended into barbarism was when folks decided to "get back to basics"- a.k.a.: get back to religion.

What you see today is the result.

I'm not one of these crazy Atheists who'd like to see Religion purged- expunged from society completely (in much the same way those religions often expunged any element of society they didn't care for throughout history), but religious fervor has never been a substitute for carefully-considered (often secularly-minded) ethics.

This whole notion that people who lack religion lack a sense of morality is probably one of the most indefensible stigmas the failthful like to lump on those without a faith. It's wrong. Utterly and totally incorrect. And as many have been keen to point out in this thread- given the rampant amoral excesses of the "righteous" that are often in the news- suggesting that the Catholic Church has even approached cornering the market on moral behavior is- at best- patently hilarious.

This isn't a question we need to answer. We've already answered it. Religions have had some wonderful contributions to some of the key ideas which form our moral foundation as a culture- but these contributions were never theirs alone, and they can exist without the dogmatic trappings that often come with them.

In fact, they often survive better without all that excess baggage.
2012-11-12 05:53:32 AM
2 votes:
So what I'm hearing is that the Catholic church has officially stated that its anti-same-sex-marriage effort is genuinely an unconstitutional movement to enforce one particular religion onto the entire American populace. Because fark those reform Jews and Methodists and UUs and everyone else who practices same-sex marriage, the Catholic religion is the one that should be imposed by law.

Seriously, if you're still a Catholic at this point and giving your time and money to a church that's made it clear that it cares way more about its insane principles than it will ever care about actual human beings, fark you. If you actually support the church's efforts to impose its canon law onto the world, you're supporting an insane, evil thing. If you say you don't, then you're just adding to the problem - why would the church ever change as long as people refuse to leave it?
2012-11-12 04:40:09 AM
2 votes:

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Polygamy? I'm fine with it
Polyandry? I'm fine with it
Never getting marked? I'm fine with it
I draw the line at informed, consenting adults.
Some things really are simple.


While I agree in principle, I completely disagree with your assessment that poly-marriage is simple. Legally, it would be a nightmare. Especially when it came to divorce, and even more especially if a partner only wanted to divorce one of the members of the union and not the others.

Codify that!
2012-11-12 04:36:10 AM
2 votes:
The villain is... Europe? Really, Gawker? You know that the Vatican is a tiny little city state inside Italy, which itself is a country in Europe? Which in many parts is not even remotely Catholic.
Way to perpetuate the sterotype about the geography-illiterate USA.
2012-11-12 01:02:13 AM
2 votes:
Rik01:
Too much text too copy for my browser. However Don't forget, you shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain which basically means about 99.999% of FARKer's are already damned. According to the Talmud that means don't make promises to God you won't keep, and has nothing to do with profanity.
2012-11-12 12:46:06 AM
2 votes:
Wading through all of the somewhat confusing and often contradictory text of the Bible, which was assembled by men, who were under the influences of their times, I might point out that God made Man in His own image.

I think the intentions were good, but over the centuries, there seems to have been a few mutations as I've seen some scary looking folks out there.

Any how, God made everything, which goes along with Intelligent Design. That means He created homosexuality for a specific reason. After all, homosexuals did not request to be born Gay, just as Heterosexuals did not ask to be born men or women.

Along came Man who took 'The Word' and promptly interpreted it, changed it, 'adjusted it' and frequently, badly translated it from the original Hebrew. (Patricidal Society, remember. Men were basically GODS. Women were slaves and property. Children were valued even less and could be killed if they pi$$ed off Dad. With no consequences.)
We all know how easy it is to distort a religion's values, twisting them to suite the desires of the Holy Leaders. (That whole no masturbation thing or God will punish you bit. Taken out of context. The masturbator was punished, but only because he refused a direct order by God to impregnate the wife of another man and 'spilled his seed upon the ground'. God struck him blind for his defiance. That doesn't mean it's a sin to wank your winkie.)

[Insert much repeated theory of why God created homosexuality and much repeated reasons why humans are genetically programmed to be repelled by same sex unions. Toss in the 'Great Prison Contradiction'.]

However, it all boils down to homosexuals being programmed to be homosexual. They can't change it just like no one can change their skin color. Genetics gives you your skin hue, eye and hair color, body size and type and plays a hefty role in your psychology. Which is why Crazy can run in family lines along with certain illnesses.

I recall when folks hated the following and had scores of reasons to do so: the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Blacks and the Brits. There was a bit of a war fought between the north and the south, with each side despising the other, no matter what color they were.

Then I recall the Vatican getting involved with fleeing German war criminals, helping them to escape Germany. I also recall them not doing a whole heck of a lot to stand up against Hitler slaughtering the Jews.

They had their reasons, but that doesn't make them right.

Just as this stupidity over homosexuals isn't right.

The Bible also says you shouldn't steal. Folks do. All of the time. You shouldn't fool with a married person. A shiat load of folks ignore that one. You should honor your Mom and Dad -- and today the majority dump them in nursing homes to die less noisily since caring for them in their homes is a chore. You shouldn't bare false witness, but folks lie in court daily.

I don't notice anyone preventing them from their right to marriage. Those are supposed to be as big a sin as a man laying with a man as a woman or a woman laying with a woman as a man.

Don't forget, you shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain which basically means about 99.999% of FARKer's are already damned.

Oh, yeah. There's this little thing about Jesus dieing on the cross for our sins. According to many religious leaders, that means our sins are forgiven -- before we commit them. Technically. The concept can be a bit confusing since the creation of Hell and the Devil and all.

Homosexuals, technically, have been forgiven also.

Chew on that for a bit.
2012-11-12 12:44:54 AM
2 votes:
The Church's inability to see their way towards sanctioning treating gay folks the same way anyone would want to be treated ie. like full citizens with equal rights tells me a few things.

A) They neither get nor practice the core message of Jesus' teachings.
B) Their relevancy and moral authority will likely continue to erode even past their current low levels.
C) They cynically recognize that a lot of their priests are self-loathing closeted gay men who pursue a religious calling in order to escape persecution and that normalizing gay people into general society will cut into those flagging numbers even further.

Atheist/Recovering Catholic.
2012-11-11 11:58:07 PM
2 votes:
They'll get over it.
2012-11-11 11:56:05 PM
2 votes:
which is fine - I mean nobody ever said that we all had to be ok with gay marriage. But the Vatican doesn't make the rules in this country. they can (and do) set the rules in THEIR nation, and i'm sure they've got a pretty decent influence around the world...but when it comes down to brass tacks, the Vatican gets a say, they don't get their way. the people who live HERE get to decide for themselves what's right and what's legal.
2012-11-12 02:04:44 PM
1 votes:
Fun fact: the early Christian church was AGAINST marriage of any kind. It only brought it in because it wasn't getting many rich and powerful people to join. And it was only recently when this idea of "traditional marriage" (one man to one woman) was implemented.

Christianity, the religion of "If you can't beat it, assimilate it and twist it into your own idea, then declare it was always like how you say it is".
2012-11-12 09:32:17 AM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Yeah, another Fark bigot-bashing fest!


FTFY.
2012-11-12 09:12:09 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: Also, I don't expect I'll come back to check responses from this post.


Well, tough, I'm going to reply anyway. I'm glad you are trying to do right by the people around you, and it's nice that your religion is what prompted you to do so.

BUT, it doesn't matter. What matters is not whether some religious folks will publicly say that the crazies in their religion are, well, crazy, but that people stop supporting them privately. Don't give money to a Catholic Church and don't give money to your local Methodist/Baptist/etc church if they're preaching hatred. As long as there is a single person who says "Well, I don't hate gays, but I really like going to this church" (and I'm not saying that person is you), there's a problem. Imagine if a preacher went on some tirade one Sunday and the next week half his pews were empty because people don't want to listen to a moral leader preach immorality. Wouldn't that be a great day.
2012-11-12 08:50:12 AM
1 votes:
I'm not really all that interested in what the absolute leader of some foreign theocracy thinks about our laws.

Would you take advice from Iran's Khamenei about our marriage laws? Then we can ignore this guy as well - they're both leaders of foreign countries who are only in control because of their religion and are too big for their britches.
2012-11-12 08:31:08 AM
1 votes:

angryjd: Frederick: QFTFA:
"It is clear that in Western countries there is a widespread tendency to modify the classic vision of marriage between a man and woman," he (Father Federico Lombardi) said. "Or rather to try to give it up, erasing its specific and privileged legal recognition compared to other forms of union."

In Western countries we dont believe in specific legal privileges. Everyone is entitled to the same rights, such as marriage.

No, we don't. Marriage is not a constitutional right. Look it up.


You're right in that marriage is never specifically mentioned in the constitution, but the right to marry is basically the right to enter into a contract, you don't get to restrict contracts to just one gender combination because the 14th amendment specifically forbids the creation of laws that do that.
2012-11-12 08:23:16 AM
1 votes:

Eckyhade: Will gay pedofile priests be able to marry under this law???? Just a thought....


"rapist and his victim"
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2012-11-12 07:55:40 AM
1 votes:
My dad (Catholic) is getting married to a non Catholic on Saturday. They just told him yesterday because she is divorced a couple times (she's not a gold digger) that they need more paperwork that will take at least 6 months to process.

They are just getting married at her church now and my Dad might never go back. Way to lose yet another member Vatican.
2012-11-12 07:54:01 AM
1 votes:
diagoras.files.wordpress.com
2012-11-12 07:37:31 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: People like Westboro use Christianity as a shield for their hate. It's disgusting. I won't cease to love them, but I certainly won't listen to them and will stand against them every chance I get.


I'm going to stop you right there. Because you are completely, honestly, wrong. Westboro uses Christianity as a way to emotionally provoke, well, everyone. It's their modus operandi.

The Westboro Baptist Church is a highly successful lawsuit mill. That's all they are. They are no more legitimate than patent trolls who file very, very obscure patents in hopes that some day ten years later, they can sue a major company and walk away with a settlement.

If you want proof of that? Watch the videos. Even though the "church" is made up of over 100 members, it's always the SAME people who protest - no more than 10 or 15. These are people who are all either attorneys, paralegals, or have been thoroughly educated in the limits of the first amendment, and always stop just before actual provocative speech against an indivudal or group, expecting them to make the first blow.

They are the shining example of IRL Trolls, and they use your legal system (and, since many of them hold legitimate legal jobs with non-elective state offices) and your tax dollars to do this.
2012-11-12 07:09:24 AM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: I think we'd become more moral as a species if we managed to rid ourselves of superstition and religion. People who need either for moral guidance are people with no morals whatsoever.


Except that religion is an evolved trait as social animals gifted to us by our brain's ability to think irrationally. Unless you plan on selectively breeding for eliminating temporal lobes anytime soon, good luck with that.

Oh. And Mr. Ratzinger? May I say this with the full force of the First Amendment and No Religious Test clause of the US Constitution behind me?

fc05.deviantart.net
2012-11-12 06:51:30 AM
1 votes:
If the Catholics can't win a simple dispute like celebration of 300-year-old military victories in Northern Ireland, then they're God isn't very capable, is He? Why would your God be so impotent, Catholics?

If the Catholic Church does more to protect paedophiles than bring justice to their victims, it's pretty well lost all claim to morality hasn't it? Or do you love paedophiles more than innocent children, Catholics?

The Catholic Church can suck my arse. It's a disgrace to itself and Jesus.

Anyone wishing to dispute this is free to do so. Why am I wrong? Catholics? Please tell me. I support gay marriage. I'm a happily married heterosexual who got married in a very nice garden, not a church. I have no problem with 'Adam and Steve' getting married and moving in next door. The only people who would have a problem with this are either bigoted or secretly gay but got married in line with Catholic tradition (as opposed to becoming a Catholic priest instead), and who would be threatened by such an outcome. This latest diatribe is a pathetic but predictable response by this bunch of losers who are well-known for their protection of paedophiles. Their attempts at moral superiority are disgusting and make me ill.
2012-11-12 06:36:02 AM
1 votes:

This About That: Unless the right-wingers blow it all up, the biggest questions that will have to be faced (or ignored at great peril) in the coming century or so will be:

1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?

2. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of civil and economic organization in the absence of oligarchs and mindless authoritarians?

3. How does the human race rid itself of those evils?

// Where do you fit in, Father Lombardi?


Anyone that requires some form of superstition to impose moral conduct is fundamentally broken. If you don't know right from wrong or can't distinguish the difference between good and evil without some bronze-age novel to guide you, you've got no place in modern society.
2012-11-12 06:20:03 AM
1 votes:
Here's an idea: how about the Vatican starts teaching about acceptance, loving thy neighbour, and all that deprecated bullshiat?
2012-11-12 06:07:25 AM
1 votes:
The Vatican is still pretending to be some kind of moral authority? Hahahaha!
2012-11-12 05:48:39 AM
1 votes:
Fark off, bigots. You and your little fairy sky wizard can go play with yourselves in the corner, while decent people get on with our lives without your incessant need to impose your worldview on us.
2012-11-12 05:09:16 AM
1 votes:
This has probably already been said, but the Church lost any moral standing it had when it de facto sanctioned pedophilia instead of airing it's laundry to give closure to victims and divest itself of the perpetrators.
2012-11-12 04:49:16 AM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: While I agree in principle, I completely disagree with your assessment that poly-marriage is simple. Legally, it would be a nightmare. Especially when it came to divorce, and even more especially if a partner only wanted to divorce one of the members of the union and not the others.

Codify that!


Treat it like a privately-held corporation or partnership. Plenty of legal precedent on how to dissolve an N-member legal entity when one or more members wishes to leave.
2012-11-12 04:24:14 AM
1 votes:

propasaurus: [www.mopo.ca image 326x396]


Jack McGurkin...

Sophomoric, perhaps, but I LOL'd.
2012-11-12 01:22:28 AM
1 votes:

Frederick: simplicimus: I do. I no longer buy into the "Christian" crap, if Mormons are now Christians . I'm Catholic, not Christian

Interesting. I am agnostic so maybe that is why I dont understand the schisms. I thought believing in the teachings of Christ made one a Christian.


Ok, here's the current schisms from Catholicism:
Anglican/Episcopalian: Henry 8 needed an male heir. Catherine of Aragon didn't come through, Henry wanted an annulment, Pope said no, so Henry started his own religion. Basically Catholicism w/o a Pope.
Lutheran: Martin Luther, a monk, wanted to get some strange, ended up marrying an ex-nun. Also had some gripes about Catholic fund raising methods.
Methodist: Earn your way into heaven through good deeds (nice group of people as far as heretics go)
Then Calvinism, Anabaptists, and the rest and the whole religion falls apart.
2012-11-12 01:14:30 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If we legalized kiddie diddling they'd be throwing a frikkin party


No, they'd be saying it was wrong for you to do it.
2012-11-12 12:47:47 AM
1 votes:

simplicimus:
I do. I no longer buy into the "Christian" crap, if Mormons are now Christians . I'm Catholic, not Christian, and my Church's hierarchy has abandoned its mission. "Free will" is a Catholic tenet, and if you get an abortion, use birth control or get gay married, that's between you and God. Christ never told us to outlaw sin, just told us to forgive the sinner.


i'm starting to wonder if the pagans have it right - there's more than ONE god out there and they all might be equally valid. meh - like I said, so long as it stays non-violent it's all good.
2012-11-12 12:45:08 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Meh. You have no power here.
2012-11-12 12:34:16 AM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Weaver95: hubiestubert:

No matter what, they were poised to "lose" no matter who won this election. Obama or the Mormon, neither are exactly the Catholic Church's best friend. Though, in fairness, Romney was at least willing to talk out of both sides of his mouth to them...

to be honest though, i'm not sure there's much the vatican CAN do about their reversal of fortunes here in the US. oddly enough they aren't the only ones having a rough time in the theology department these days. the US evangelicals are feeling more than a bit scorched after Romney's election night loss.

America has never been exactly a bastion for the Catholics, not with such a strong Protestant population, and that pesky "freedom of religion" has meant that they can't simply bully folks to get their way. There is a coalition between the Catholics and Protestants on issues like abortion and birth control, but that is tenuous at best. They can ally on some things, but in the end, they're competitors for a market...


Why. do you think, does every minority group suddenly find themselves blessed with a candidate for sainthood lately?

/it's like a frikkin miracle
2012-11-12 12:31:27 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: hubiestubert:

No matter what, they were poised to "lose" no matter who won this election. Obama or the Mormon, neither are exactly the Catholic Church's best friend. Though, in fairness, Romney was at least willing to talk out of both sides of his mouth to them...

to be honest though, i'm not sure there's much the vatican CAN do about their reversal of fortunes here in the US. oddly enough they aren't the only ones having a rough time in the theology department these days. the US evangelicals are feeling more than a bit scorched after Romney's election night loss.


America has never been exactly a bastion for the Catholics, not with such a strong Protestant population, and that pesky "freedom of religion" has meant that they can't simply bully folks to get their way. There is a coalition between the Catholics and Protestants on issues like abortion and birth control, but that is tenuous at best. They can ally on some things, but in the end, they're competitors for a market...
2012-11-12 12:08:20 AM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Perhaps the Vatican should worry about Rome, and not what folks who aren't Catholic are doing.

That's the issue. Not Catholics. Buddhists. Pagans. Methodists. Lutherans. Unitarians--you know, some of the folks the Catholics ran a Crusade against before they rolled on Jerusalem. The Vatican should worry about what Catholics are doing, and deal with them, and maybe leave governing of a nation that ISN'T Catholic alone. Especially one that is based upon the separation of church and state...

While they're at it, they might want to look a little harder at how their priests are acting within their own churches. Tend to your own knitting. When Bishops aren't moving priests around to keep sexual predators hidden, maybe then they can take a stab at telling folks what is moral or not...


Now I'm off to play Assassin's Creed. I feel like killing some of these self-righteous Catholics.
2012-11-11 11:22:33 PM
1 votes:
If we legalized kiddie diddling they'd be throwing a frikkin party
2012-11-11 11:07:40 PM
1 votes:
Unless the right-wingers blow it all up, the biggest questions that will have to be faced (or ignored at great peril) in the coming century or so will be:

1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?

2. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of civil and economic organization in the absence of oligarchs and mindless authoritarians?

3. How does the human race rid itself of those evils?

// Where do you fit in, Father Lombardi?
 
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