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(Gawker)   The Vatican is really butthurt about U.S. citizens approving gay marriage   (gawker.com) divider line 221
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2012-11-12 04:27:45 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-12 04:27:45 AM  
If there was ever such a need to have a Pope "son I am disappoint" JPG.
 
2012-11-12 04:29:54 AM  

Ed Finnerty: They're only upset because now when they molest little boys they'll have to promise to marry them when they're 18.

That takes the thrill out of the abuse for them.


Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.
 
2012-11-12 04:36:10 AM  
The villain is... Europe? Really, Gawker? You know that the Vatican is a tiny little city state inside Italy, which itself is a country in Europe? Which in many parts is not even remotely Catholic.
Way to perpetuate the sterotype about the geography-illiterate USA.
 
2012-11-12 04:36:53 AM  
I guess they are pissed off they are now just pedophiles and nobody cares that they are gay too.

/bunch of child raping pedophiles
//Why should I care what a pedophile has to say about religion?
///Because he wears a funny pedophile hat?
 
2012-11-12 04:38:39 AM  

undulat: The villain is... Europe? Really, Gawker? You know that the Vatican is a tiny little city state inside Italy, which itself is a country in Europe? Which in many parts is not even remotely Catholic.
Way to perpetuate the sterotype about the geography-illiterate USA.


If Europe had any farking decency they would have bombed the Vatican decades ago tbh.

Why do you let an organization based entirely on farking little boys in the ass exist near you at all?
 
2012-11-12 04:40:09 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Polygamy? I'm fine with it
Polyandry? I'm fine with it
Never getting marked? I'm fine with it
I draw the line at informed, consenting adults.
Some things really are simple.


While I agree in principle, I completely disagree with your assessment that poly-marriage is simple. Legally, it would be a nightmare. Especially when it came to divorce, and even more especially if a partner only wanted to divorce one of the members of the union and not the others.

Codify that!
 
2012-11-12 04:41:24 AM  

simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.


The rules say you can only have sex while married.

Therefore raping children you are not married to is not sex.

It's not hard logic to follow.
 
2012-11-12 04:41:58 AM  
He went on to say, "If not, why not contemplate also freely chosen polygamy

Like, for example, Solomon.

/what 'achievement' of which 'civilisation'?
 
2012-11-12 04:42:05 AM  

XplodedSynapses: Nice one Subby. Butthurt.


I think you mean "Nice one Myles Tanzer, author of the linked article, or possibly other author of the linked article's headline," but then again, I can be quite a pedant.

/no, Ratzinger, I said pedant
 
2012-11-12 04:42:35 AM  

fluffy2097: simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.

The rules say you can only have sex while married.

Therefore raping children you are not married to is not sex.

It's not hard logic to follow.


It is "Illegitimate rape" so to speak?
 
2012-11-12 04:44:52 AM  
FTA: "The Church is the only institution to say that, while persecuting homosexuals in undoubtedly unjust, opposing marriage between people of the same sex is a point of view that must be respected," the Vatican newspaper editorial said.

Perhaps the reason they are the only institution to say that is because they are wrong. Not that such a concept would ever enter their minds, of course. Catholics, sadly, believe some damn crazy shiat.
 
2012-11-12 04:45:04 AM  

The Southern Dandy: fluffy2097: simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.

The rules say you can only have sex while married.

Therefore raping children you are not married to is not sex.

It's not hard logic to follow.

It is "Illegitimate rape" so to speak?


Well the boys don't get pregnant, now do they?
 
2012-11-12 04:45:21 AM  

The Southern Dandy: It is "Illegitimate rape" so to speak?


It's not rape, legitimate or otherwise if the person you're sticking your dick into doesn't know it's wrong.

/cum with me my child, I want to show you the instrument of god's will.
 
2012-11-12 04:45:42 AM  

Weaver95: so long as their religious conflicts don't become violent, I honestly don't care what our various christian sects say about one another.


As long as the rest of us don't get hurt, I'm perfectly fine with religious extremists killing each other.
 
2012-11-12 04:47:16 AM  

Ilmarinen: The Southern Dandy: fluffy2097: simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.

The rules say you can only have sex while married.

Therefore raping children you are not married to is not sex.

It's not hard logic to follow.

It is "Illegitimate rape" so to speak?

Well the boys don't get pregnant, now do they?


I meant illegitimate in that, real rape involves sex, so by your logic, this type of rape not being sex, it must be illegitimate rape.
 
2012-11-12 04:49:16 AM  

The Southern Dandy: While I agree in principle, I completely disagree with your assessment that poly-marriage is simple. Legally, it would be a nightmare. Especially when it came to divorce, and even more especially if a partner only wanted to divorce one of the members of the union and not the others.

Codify that!


Treat it like a privately-held corporation or partnership. Plenty of legal precedent on how to dissolve an N-member legal entity when one or more members wishes to leave.
 
2012-11-12 04:55:24 AM  

SilentStrider: SilentStrider: Do us a favor. Atp worrying about gay marriage and start focussing on the things Jesus actually gave a damn about. Like helping the poor and healing the sick.

Atp? Really? I typed stop, and got atp?


Adenine triphosphate is srs bizns
 
2012-11-12 04:57:48 AM  

The Southern Dandy: I meant illegitimate in that, real rape involves sex, so by your logic, this type of rape not being sex, it must be illegitimate rape.


I thought I was going along with the joke.

/oh well
 
2012-11-12 05:02:01 AM  
Awwww...wait, let me get my violin so I can play you a tiny sad song...

i950.photobucket.com

/Okay, technically not a violin, but it is pretty teeny.
 
2012-11-12 05:02:07 AM  
fark the pope.
 
2012-11-12 05:02:21 AM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-12 05:03:51 AM  

mamoru: This About That: Unless the right-wingers blow it all up, the biggest questions that will have to be faced (or ignored at great peril) in the coming century or so will be:

1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?

Call me crazy, but I'd go for something along the lines of "by having people be held accountable by the rules and laws of their societies". Yes these are dynamic and may change with times, but judging by the history of human rights, it seems like the overall trend has been moving in the right direction of equal rights for everyone. Usually in spite of superstition and religion. So, based on the history of human rights, I'd say moral conduct will in the end be better off without religion constantly holding changes for the better back.

2. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of civil and economic organization in the absence of oligarchs and mindless authoritarians?

Even if #1 were to become the case, I don't think these things would go away, so I'm not sure of the utility of this question. I'd say, the same as usual, doing the best they can while dealing with both internal and external economic factors. Making sure the population is educated and understands their part of the social contract would probably go a long way towards keeping things economically stable.

3. How does the human race rid itself of those evils?

Unfortunately, we probably don't. Maintaining an educated position on all aspects of society is exhausting and at least impractical, if not impossible. There will always be people who will be willing to let someone else do the thinking for them, and there will be those who believe against all evidence that the people they choose are the best and everyone else is wrong, or the system they are in is the best and can do no wrong.

I doubt this aspect of human nature will ever change.

SilentStrider: Atp? Really? I typed stop, and got atp?

Never underestimate the power of adenosine triphosphate.

Anyway, to the Pope: Yeah? GOOD! I'd sooner take moral guidance from that inanimate rock over there than from your church. At least the rock has no problem with equal rights for all regardless of gender, sexuality, ethnic group, skin color, religion (or lackthereof), or any other aspect of humanity.


Damnit!
 
2012-11-12 05:05:09 AM  

fluffy2097: simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.

The rules say you can only have sex while married.

Therefore raping children you are not married to is not sex.

It's not hard logic to follow.


What part of the Vow of Chastity do you not understand?
 
2012-11-12 05:06:16 AM  
And anyone gives a wet shiat what those assholes think?
 
2012-11-12 05:09:16 AM  
This has probably already been said, but the Church lost any moral standing it had when it de facto sanctioned pedophilia instead of airing it's laundry to give closure to victims and divest itself of the perpetrators.
 
2012-11-12 05:09:27 AM  

Ed Grubermann: And anyone gives a wet shiat what those assholes think?


Why so anal?

/heh
 
2012-11-12 05:10:01 AM  

Ed Grubermann: And anyone gives a wet shiat what those assholes think?


As I explained above, it's important to 31% of the 24% of Americans that are Catholic. So not many.
 
2012-11-12 05:11:33 AM  

SilentStrider: SilentStrider: Do us a favor. Atp worrying about gay marriage and start focussing on the things Jesus actually gave a damn about. Like helping the poor and healing the sick.

Atp? Really? I typed stop, and got atp?


Well A is next to S and O is next to P. I expect that all Farkers are pretty quick on the keyboard. Sometimes these things happen. I type some horrific things when my hands are at a slightly wrong angle.
 
2012-11-12 05:11:42 AM  
If i have to have a license to get married and it's a right does that make driving a right? Why do they even have marriage livenses any more. Just file at the dmv that you are legally bound together.
 
2012-11-12 05:11:53 AM  
Heh! "Butthurt". Heh!

collider.com 

/DNRTFA. Religion - couldn't be bothered.
 
2012-11-12 05:12:43 AM  
Suck it, homophobes!
 
2012-11-12 05:15:16 AM  

Summoner101: This has probably already been said, but the Church lost any moral standing it had when it de facto sanctioned pedophilia instead of airing it's laundry to give closure to victims and divest itself of the perpetrators.


To repeat myself:
simplicimus: Once more, Vow of Chastity means no sex, Vow of Celibacy means no marriage, For a cleric, violation of either should result in defrocking and excommunication. But apparently the Church doesn't play by their own rules.
 
2012-11-12 05:18:55 AM  

clyph: The Southern Dandy: While I agree in principle, I completely disagree with your assessment that poly-marriage is simple. Legally, it would be a nightmare. Especially when it came to divorce, and even more especially if a partner only wanted to divorce one of the members of the union and not the others.

Codify that!

Treat it like a privately-held corporation or partnership. Plenty of legal precedent on how to dissolve an N-member legal entity when one or more members wishes to leave.


Speaking as someone currently in a poly relationship, i'm in total agreement with this.
 
2012-11-12 05:40:44 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: simplicimus: alienated: simplicimus: alienated: Has anyone mentioned that we as a nation dont give a damn what rome says >?

Well, according to a recent poll, 60% of Catholics are saying "Well man, that's like just your opinion".

Fine.Question still stands. , - thats how they roll ...

Well, very few do. 31% of the 24% of the population of the US that identifies as Catholic cares. Too tired to do the math.

In all fairness, American Catholics really rarely listen to Rome.

Mainly because of the Confession loopholes,


Well, that the fact that the Church is only infallible when it's talking about faith and morals. The Bishops know farkall about legal theory, justice, or anything else related to the real, testable world.
 
2012-11-12 05:46:35 AM  

simplicimus: alienated: simplicimus: alienated: Has anyone mentioned that we as a nation dont give a damn what rome says >?

Well, according to a recent poll, 60% of Catholics are saying "Well man, that's like just your opinion".

Fine.Question still stands. , - thats how they roll ...

Well, very few do. 31% of the 24% of the population of the US that identifies as Catholic cares. Too tired to do the math.


Slightly under 8%.
 
2012-11-12 05:48:39 AM  
Fark off, bigots. You and your little fairy sky wizard can go play with yourselves in the corner, while decent people get on with our lives without your incessant need to impose your worldview on us.
 
2012-11-12 05:50:03 AM  

Gawdzila: simplicimus: alienated: simplicimus: alienated: Has anyone mentioned that we as a nation dont give a damn what rome says >?

Well, according to a recent poll, 60% of Catholics are saying "Well man, that's like just your opinion".

Fine.Question still stands. , - thats how they roll ...

Well, very few do. 31% of the 24% of the population of the US that identifies as Catholic cares. Too tired to do the math.

Slightly under 8%.


Thanks. So, the Pope's opinion has little real world effect in the US.
 
2012-11-12 05:53:32 AM  
So what I'm hearing is that the Catholic church has officially stated that its anti-same-sex-marriage effort is genuinely an unconstitutional movement to enforce one particular religion onto the entire American populace. Because fark those reform Jews and Methodists and UUs and everyone else who practices same-sex marriage, the Catholic religion is the one that should be imposed by law.

Seriously, if you're still a Catholic at this point and giving your time and money to a church that's made it clear that it cares way more about its insane principles than it will ever care about actual human beings, fark you. If you actually support the church's efforts to impose its canon law onto the world, you're supporting an insane, evil thing. If you say you don't, then you're just adding to the problem - why would the church ever change as long as people refuse to leave it?
 
2012-11-12 05:55:18 AM  
Fark marriage in general.
 
2012-11-12 05:59:50 AM  

gonegirl: So what I'm hearing is that the Catholic church has officially stated that its anti-same-sex-marriage effort is genuinely an unconstitutional movement to enforce one particular religion onto the entire American populace. Because fark those reform Jews and Methodists and UUs and everyone else who practices same-sex marriage, the Catholic religion is the one that should be imposed by law.

Seriously, if you're still a Catholic at this point and giving your time and money to a church that's made it clear that it cares way more about its insane principles than it will ever care about actual human beings, fark you. If you actually support the church's efforts to impose its canon law onto the world, you're supporting an insane, evil thing. If you say you don't, then you're just adding to the problem - why would the church ever change as long as people refuse to leave it?


Being a Catholic is more than spending an hour a week in Church and throwing money in a basket.
Matthew 6:6: But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
 
2012-11-12 06:06:51 AM  
American catholicism is such a successful cash cow. Gay marriage leads to people abandoning a religion that forbids it, costing the Vatican dough. Gee..... What a shame.
 
2012-11-12 06:07:25 AM  
The Vatican is still pretending to be some kind of moral authority? Hahahaha!
 
2012-11-12 06:20:03 AM  
Here's an idea: how about the Vatican starts teaching about acceptance, loving thy neighbour, and all that deprecated bullshiat?
 
2012-11-12 06:23:07 AM  
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 06:25:01 AM  

This About That: 1. How does the human race maintain some survivable form of moral conduct in the absence of superstition and Big Religion?


Muslim civilization was at its best as a society when it was most secular. Conversely, when it descended into barbarism was when folks decided to "get back to basics"- a.k.a.: get back to religion.

What you see today is the result.

I'm not one of these crazy Atheists who'd like to see Religion purged- expunged from society completely (in much the same way those religions often expunged any element of society they didn't care for throughout history), but religious fervor has never been a substitute for carefully-considered (often secularly-minded) ethics.

This whole notion that people who lack religion lack a sense of morality is probably one of the most indefensible stigmas the failthful like to lump on those without a faith. It's wrong. Utterly and totally incorrect. And as many have been keen to point out in this thread- given the rampant amoral excesses of the "righteous" that are often in the news- suggesting that the Catholic Church has even approached cornering the market on moral behavior is- at best- patently hilarious.

This isn't a question we need to answer. We've already answered it. Religions have had some wonderful contributions to some of the key ideas which form our moral foundation as a culture- but these contributions were never theirs alone, and they can exist without the dogmatic trappings that often come with them.

In fact, they often survive better without all that excess baggage.
 
2012-11-12 06:25:36 AM  
The vatican is an evil organization, and if they disagree with something we've done or are doing that's a good thing.
 
2012-11-12 06:29:11 AM  
Heterosexual marriage greatest achievement of mankind?

/clearly they haven't been to a trailer park
//I keed, I keed, but seriously, marriage being a religious thing is a joke
 
2012-11-12 06:31:30 AM  

simplicimus: What part of the Vow of Chastity do you not understand?


It's very simple. There is no sex before marriage. Catholics are very clear on this point.

Therefore, sex before marriage is not sex. Thus it is not a violation of the law of Chastity.

How else can a priest shove his dick up a 5 year old's ass and sleep well at night? He's got God's approval to do it.
 
2012-11-12 06:35:22 AM  
HAHAHAHAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Italy

Recent judicial and political developments on Italian Same-Sex Marriage

In a landmark ruling the Court of Cassation stated on March 15, 2012 that 'same-sex couples have the same right to a family life as married straight couples', adding that 'the judiciary shall grant them the same legal rights as enjoyed under marriage on a case-by-case rule'. Even though the Court's judgments are not binding outside the case decided, lower courts find those judgments persuasive. Whereas the Parliament remains free to introduce same-sex unions or not, the verdict paves the way for such unions to be equivalent to marriage in all but name and for judges to recognize individual rights to cohabiting couples.[7][8] The first right was won by a couple made by an Italian man who married an Uruguayan citizen in Spain.[9] Marriages celebrated abroad will now allow the non-EU national partner to obtain an Italian permanent residence permit.

In May 2012, the Italy of Values political party (Italia dei Valori) became the first party to announce publily that it would push for marriage equality. The party leader, Antonio Di Pietro said, "Our party has been the first in Italy to follow US president Barack Obama. We invite other Italian parties to support gay marriage. You don't have to be shy, you have to say yes".[10]
 
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