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2012-11-12 06:22:32 AM  
Good.
 
2012-11-12 06:23:10 AM  
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2012-11-12 06:44:36 AM  
Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.
 
2012-11-12 06:50:32 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer Cricket isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.


FTFY
 
2012-11-12 06:52:36 AM  

Woolwine: AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer Cricket isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.

FTFY


Cricket isn't a sport. It's bait.
 
2012-11-12 07:01:38 AM  

Woolwine: AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer Cricket isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.

FTFY


Technically cricket has very few ties. A tie is when the match ends with the scores even. What cricket has a shiatload of are draws, which is when the team that would likely lose plays slowly enough that the game hasn't ended AFTER FIVE DAYS.
/baseball had the same problem once
//then we invented electricity
 
2012-11-12 07:20:56 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-12 07:21:43 AM  
The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a tie. Neither team played well enough to win, but neither team played poorly enough to lose.

Sure, you could go to penalty kicks/shots, or a free throw shooting contest, or linemen kicking field goals, or some other way to determine a winner, but that's solely so there will be a winner and a loser, rather than a tie.
 
2012-11-12 07:29:14 AM  

Gonz: The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a tie. Neither team played well enough to win, but neither team played poorly enough to lose.

Sure, you could go to penalty kicks/shots, or a free throw shooting contest, or linemen kicking field goals, or some other way to determine a winner, but that's solely so there will be a winner and a loser, rather than a tie.


I agree with this. Nobody showed enough superiority to actually beat the other team. If a winner is not strictly necessary (eg playoffs) a tie is the appropriate result.
 
2012-11-12 07:42:47 AM  
How the fark do you get a delay of game called, in overtime, when setting up for the game winning FG?

Of course how the fark did Akers miss form 30 or whatever it was before that...

/Just overtime FG fail in general yesterday
 
2012-11-12 07:48:00 AM  

Gonz: The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a tie. Neither team played well enough to win, but neither team played poorly enough to lose.

Sure, you could go to penalty kicks/shots, or a free throw shooting contest, or linemen kicking field goals, or some other way to determine a winner, but that's solely so there will be a winner and a loser, rather than a tie.


I disagree. If a tie results after the extra time allotted, each team chooses a player from the other team and shoots them in the head. You then play another 10mins. If a tie is still in place, choose and shoot another player, ad infinitum.

OR..... you just make one player sit out for the rest of the game and force the other team to play with a backup.
 
2012-11-12 07:52:12 AM  
In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.
 
2012-11-12 07:54:41 AM  

Gonz: The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a tie. Neither team played well enough to win, but neither team played poorly enough to lose.


I'd like to make a better argument than that. Aside from obvious entertainment value, isn't the "regular season" just an extended form of playoff seeding? Ties aren't important in basketball or baseball where there are a crapton of games (you get plenty of chances to earn your spot without needing a single game), but in football, every game counts. If you've played the full game plus overtime and still can't determine a winner, the teams are at obvious parity.

I get that people don't like them because they're anticlimactic and encourage conservative playcalling. To reiterate, ties don't belong in playoffs, ever. But this was a regular season game. I'm not sure a team that, say, plays a favorite neck-and-neck for a full game and then some, only to fall short in some artificial gimmick whose sole purpose is to eliminate ties, should have essentially the same record hit as one that got blown out by 35 points. If the game didn't determine the winner of the outcome, then the outcome is that the game didn't determine a winner, duh.
 
2012-11-12 08:01:49 AM  

LesserEvil: In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.


The correct answer is the Arena Football model -- each team gets a possession, then it's sudden death. The NFL's current rule of "...unless you score a touchdown" is just absurd and need to be removed.

If you want to be "more fair", you can enforce equal numbers of offensive drives in OT, so play like college's innings but have kickoffs and punts -- however, you couldn't have alternating "who goes first" like in college.
 
2012-11-12 08:14:07 AM  

LesserEvil: In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.


Well my friend, it is you're lucky day, because this is exactly how NFL football works. Ties can happen in regular season play, but in the postseason there is always a winner.
 
2012-11-12 08:14:58 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: LesserEvil: In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.

Well my friend, it is you're your lucky day, because this is exactly how NFL football works. Ties can happen in regular season play, but in the postseason there is always a winner.


grumble grumble...coffee...grumble grumble
 
2012-11-12 08:16:16 AM  
anyone else notice that the refs seem to throw that yellow flag more often when the game is on the line? I was watching a few different games.. one of the trends i noticed was the flag would come out SUPER late, and only if the team that was down didn't succeed on the particular play they were attempting.

/yeah yeah, I'm probably crazy.
 
2012-11-12 08:22:43 AM  

Gonz: The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a tie. Neither team played well enough to win, but neither team played poorly enough to lose.


Scoring draws are apt for what you say. Some 0-0s are great defensive performances, most are attacking displays ranging from mediocre to downright comical.
 
2012-11-12 08:23:55 AM  

Gonz: but neither team played poorly enough to lose.


except during the overtime.
 
2012-11-12 08:24:14 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: LesserEvil: In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.

Well my friend, it is you're lucky day, because this is exactly how NFL football works. Ties can happen in regular season play, but in the postseason there is always a winner.


At least in the regular season, hockey resorts to the shootout (skills contest) to resolve the tie. It's a compromise many fans can live with between full bonus hockey and the owners' concerns over player health.

Perhaps the NFL could do something like that...

Donnchadha: The correct answer is the Arena Football model -- each team gets a possession, then it's sudden death. The NFL's current rule of "...unless you score a touchdown" is just absurd and need to be removed.

If you want to be "more fair", you can enforce equal numbers of offensive drives in OT, so play like college's innings but have kickoffs and punts -- however, you couldn't have alternating "who goes first" like in college.


I realize the problem with running OT periods until there is a winner - player health. The college system is a decent compromise on this, without the skills contest.

CSB time: I was at the Michigan-Northwestern game this weekend that ended in OT. Most of the game was frustrating as a Michigan fan, but it was still epic. Who can say no to bonus football?
 
2012-11-12 08:27:30 AM  
I never knew in the professional ranks it would kind of end that way. I'd hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or hate to see what happens in the playoffs
 
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2012-11-12 08:42:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.


werd.

MugzyBrown: I never knew in the professional ranks it would kind of end that way. I'd hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or hate to see what happens in the playoffs


different rules in the playoffs to prevent ties.
 
2012-11-12 08:43:47 AM  

MugzyBrown: I never knew in the professional ranks it would kind of end that way. I'd hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or hate to see what happens in the playoffs


Dude, really? Or am I just feeding here?

From Wikipedia: "The Panthers stunned the favored Rams in double-overtime, the fifth longest game in NFL history, in a thrilling finish to a game that featured big swings in momentum. St. Louis built up a 6-0 lead early in the second quarter, but wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad's touchdown on a fumble recovery gave Carolina a 7-6 advantage. Kickers John Kasay and Jeff Wilkins spent the rest of the second and the third quarter trading field goals. But in the fourth period, Brad Hoover's 7-yard rushing touchdown gave the Panthers a 23-12 lead.

However, St. Louis rallied back. After Kasay missed a 54-yard field goal attempt with 6:26 left in regulation, the Rams drove 57 yards in 15 plays, featuring a 22-yard reception by Marshall Faulk on fourth down and two, and scored with Faulk's 1-yard touchdown run. Marc Bulger's subsequent 2-point conversion pass to Dane Looker cut the score to 23-20 with 2:39 to go. Then Wilkins recovered his own onside kick, setting up a 43-yard drive that ended with his 33-yard field goal. The field goal would cause some controversy, as the Rams held the ball inside the Carolina 20 yard line with less than a minute remaining, and one timeout. But Rams Coach Mike Martz elected to play for the tie, allowing the clock to run down and kicked the tying field goal, rather than let his quick-scoring offense try for the winning touchdown. Wilkins' 5th field goal of the game as time expired in the 4th Quarter tied it at 23 and sent it into overtime.

Both teams missed field goals in the first overtime period. The Panthers would march down to the Rams 22 yard line on their first drive in overtime, and Carolina kicker John Kasay in fact made a 40-yard field goal that would have won the game. But the Panthers were flagged for delay of game, and Kasay's attempt from 45 yards was wide right. On the Rams ensuing possession, Wilkins attempted a 53-yard field goal, but it fell short.

The Rams held the ball late in the first overtime, and were driving into Carolina territory, however an errant Bulger pass was intercepted by Carolina cornerback Ricky Manning, Jr. On the first play of the second overtime period, Jake Delhomme threw a 69-yard touchdown pass to Steve Smith to win the game. It marked the first double-overtime game and longest NFL game since the 1986 playoffs.

Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme completed 16 of 26 passes for 290 yards and a touchdown, with 1 interception. Smith caught 6 passes for 163 yards and a touchdown. Bulger threw for 332 yards, but was intercepted three times. Rams receiver Isaac Bruce caught 7 passes for 116 yards.

This turned out to be the last hurrah for The Greatest Show on Turf, as the Rams would head into a steady decline over the next several seasons."
 
2012-11-12 08:46:33 AM  

SnatchMcGillicudy: snip ...


For reference, that was the Divisional Round in the 2003-2004 season. Heartbreaking game for St. Louis, they haven't recovered since really.
 
2012-11-12 08:53:24 AM  
Have each team get five alternating single downs from the 5-yard line to score a TD, coin toss to decide order. NO FIELD GOALS. Highest TD count after 5 each wins or sudden death if tied.
 
2012-11-12 09:09:04 AM  
I like the regular season ties. If there was a tie every other week it would get annoying, but they happen infrequently (the last one was four years ago) and they throw an extra variable into the playoff possibilities. So here's a vote to keep things just the way they are.
 
2012-11-12 09:12:52 AM  

LesserEvil: CSB time: I was at the Michigan-Northwestern game this weekend that ended in OT. Most of the game was frustrating as a Michigan fan, but it was still epic. Who can say no to bonus football?


That game was awesome. Amazing how loud the stadium got during Northwestern's OT drive.
 
2012-11-12 09:16:01 AM  

SnatchMcGillicudy: Dude, really? Or am I just feeding here?


Sorry, I think Donnie Mac hacked into my fark account.
 
2012-11-12 09:19:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.


In good soccer, lots of stuff happens. Look at the Chelsea / Liverpool game from this past weekend. Yeah, it was a 1-1 draw but there was a combined 25 shots, 64 tackles, and 25 fouls (which is so many that it's kind of getting ridiculous), plus 11 total corner kicks. That's a lot of stuff happening.

The reason it's boring is because you don't like it, which is totally fine. I find golf, NASCAR, and basketball to be amazingly boring games. I'm not going to try to convince you that you MUST like soccer or can't like basketball.
 
2012-11-12 09:27:05 AM  

meanmutton: In good soccer, lots of stuff happens. Look at the Chelsea / Liverpool game from this past weekend. Yeah, it was a 1-1 draw but there was a combined 25 shots, 64 tackles, and 25 fouls (which is so many that it's kind of getting ridiculous), plus 11 total corner kicks. That's a lot of stuff happening.

The reason it's boring is because you don't like it, which is totally fine. I find golf, NASCAR, and basketball to be amazingly boring games. I'm not going to try to convince you that you MUST like soccer or can't like basketball.


After watching more and more soccer, I find the NFL more and more boring. The penalties, the commercials, the pacing just is a drag.

Plus it's easier to get 2hrs, gauranteed, to carve out of your schedule than to carve out 3 1/2 hours.
 
2012-11-12 09:31:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Some dipshiat on Facebook was trying to equate the American rejection of soccer with hypocrisy of accepting ties in football.

Soccer isn't a boring sport because of ties and low scoring. It's boring because nothing happens.


Also, it's been 4 freaking years since there was a tie in an NFL game. There are ties in soccer every damn week.
 
2012-11-12 09:36:29 AM  

meanmutton: LesserEvil: CSB time: I was at the Michigan-Northwestern game this weekend that ended in OT. Most of the game was frustrating as a Michigan fan, but it was still epic. Who can say no to bonus football?

That game was awesome. Amazing how loud the stadium got during Northwestern's OT drive.


The changes to the Big House help, but it's still tough to get real volume there as in other stadiums. Aiming the offensive drives toward the student section was a natural choice for Michigan, heh heh.
 
2012-11-12 09:38:39 AM  

meanmutton: LesserEvil: CSB time: I was at the Michigan-Northwestern game this weekend that ended in OT. Most of the game was frustrating as a Michigan fan, but it was still epic. Who can say no to bonus football?

That game was awesome. Amazing how loud the stadium got during Northwestern's OT drive.


I was in row 25 on the north 40, seeing the tipped pass that set up the equalizing field goal and that OT in person was an amazing experience.
 
2012-11-12 09:42:03 AM  

MugzyBrown: I never knew in the professional ranks it would kind of end that way. I'd hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or hate to see what happens in the playoffs


I see what you did, there, Donovan.

Also, the new generation's Donovan McNabb:

"I didn't know you could tie," 49ers free safety Dashon Goldson said. "When I saw both sides walking onto the field, I was like, 'Where's everybody going?'"
 
2012-11-12 09:50:30 AM  
Regarding NCAA overtime: Because it's fun to watch doesn't make it any less silly.

Soccer shootouts are fun to watch, and tension filled, etc, but they're stupid...same goes with NCAA overtime.
 
2012-11-12 09:51:35 AM  

Donnchadha: LesserEvil: In hockey, during playoffs, you play until you win. Football should be no different... but pro football's OT rules blow. At least the NCAA understands it is a game of possession and allows for continued play, even if it ups the ante by disallowing the 1PAT after the second OT round.

Pro football's OT made no sense with "sudden death" (even if the coin toss didn't correlate much with the eventual winner) and the new rules are half measures that are still rather stupid. These guys get paid millions to play a game for us on Sundays, so the owners want to protect that investment. I say we fans, who support those teams with our money, should get to see teams battle it out to exhaustion, if need be.

The correct answer is the Arena Football model -- each team gets a possession, then it's sudden death. The NFL's current rule of "...unless you score a touchdown" is just absurd and need to be removed.

If you want to be "more fair", you can enforce equal numbers of offensive drives in OT, so play like college's innings but have kickoffs and punts -- however, you couldn't have alternating "who goes first" like in college.


Or you could, you know, extend the game by a standard period measurement ("quarter") and play under the normal rules until there's a winner (the period of time ends and one team has scored more points). It kills me that people think that changing a game's rules for overtime is some sort of good idea. If it were, why wouldn't you just use the OT rules in regulation play?
 
2012-11-12 09:54:52 AM  
The lulz was wonderful. It was the perfect topping to the Iggles implosion.
 
2012-11-12 09:54:59 AM  

Carousel Beast: If it were, why wouldn't you just use the OT rules in regulation play?


For the same reason that you have a regular season - to be able to guarantee a certain amount of time worth of entertainment for fans, which would encourage them to buy tickets. If you played a football game until someone scored, and several games ended within the first five minutes, no one would buy the product.

By the time OT rolls around, this is no longer a problem - in fact, virtually everyone wants the game over as soon as possible.
 
2012-11-12 10:06:16 AM  

Gonz: linemen kicking field goals


I don't believe this suggestion has warranted nearly enough attention

/for the lulz
 
2012-11-12 10:16:05 AM  
What about Davis Cup tennis. In the entire history of the event, every single match-up ever has been a tie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis_Cup
 
2012-11-12 10:54:05 AM  

IAmRight: Carousel Beast: If it were, why wouldn't you just use the OT rules in regulation play?

For the same reason that you have a regular season - to be able to guarantee a certain amount of time worth of entertainment for fans, which would encourage them to buy tickets. If you played a football game until someone scored, and several games ended within the first five minutes, no one would buy the product.

By the time OT rolls around, this is no longer a problem - in fact, virtually everyone wants the game over as soon as possible.


Because people are being held hostage in the stadium? Play the game or don't, but don't make up BS rules because you're whining that it's too hard to keep going as normal.

/In the Major Leagues it's referred to as "Free Baseball"
 
2012-11-12 11:17:40 AM  
Soccer can still end in ties because the UK discovered and accepted spread betting before the USA did.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:28 AM  

IAmRight: Carousel Beast: If it were, why wouldn't you just use the OT rules in regulation play?

For the same reason that you have a regular season - to be able to guarantee a certain amount of time worth of entertainment for fans, which would encourage them to buy tickets. If you played a football game until someone scored, and several games ended within the first five minutes, no one would buy the product.


Like boxing and mma? People still go to those games.

/being a devil's advocate.
 
2012-11-12 11:20:29 AM  

The Smails Kid: Gonz: linemen kicking field goals

I don't believe this suggestion has warranted nearly enough attention

/for the lulz


i.huffpost.com

Done that...
 
2012-11-12 11:31:39 AM  

Carousel Beast: In the Major Leagues it's referred to as "Free Baseball"


That's because baseball fans are idiots.

/besides, the people that matter are TV stations and advertisers - no one gives a sh*t about what's good for the fans

meanmutton: Like boxing and mma? People still go to those games.


Not to the tune of several million per week for several months.
 
2012-11-12 11:42:38 AM  

Carousel Beast: IAmRight: Carousel Beast: If it were, why wouldn't you just use the OT rules in regulation play?

For the same reason that you have a regular season - to be able to guarantee a certain amount of time worth of entertainment for fans, which would encourage them to buy tickets. If you played a football game until someone scored, and several games ended within the first five minutes, no one would buy the product.

By the time OT rolls around, this is no longer a problem - in fact, virtually everyone wants the game over as soon as possible.

Because people are being held hostage in the stadium? Play the game or don't, but don't make up BS rules because you're whining that it's too hard to keep going as normal.

/In the Major Leagues it's referred to as "Free Baseball"


Exactly.

Do people complain when a band they like plays an extra set of music? They sure do when the singer storms off in a huff three songs into their regular set, though.

At the Michigan game this weekend, NOBODY left early. Usually, with the game (mostly) decided with 5 or 6 game minutes remaining, many people head out to beat the traffic out of Ann Arbor. Not last Saturday. Yet they could have left if they really wanted to... nobody was being forced to stay and watch the conclusion (and most hardcore Michigan fans would have told you we were going to win in OT)
 
2012-11-12 11:47:37 AM  

IAmRight: /besides, the people that matter are TV stations and advertisers - no one gives a sh*t about what's good for the fans


I think the networks relish the opportunity to push more advertising nationally when a game goes into overtime, rather than turn over programming to the local channel's infomercial slot. Sports will always command a higher advertising rate than the local affiliate's programming.
 
2012-11-12 11:52:35 AM  

LesserEvil: I think the networks relish the opportunity to push more advertising nationally when a game goes into overtime, rather than turn over programming to the local channel's infomercial slot. Sports will always command a higher advertising rate than the local affiliate's programming.


Part of the agreement with the NFL means that the station has to change it to the next game - if that OT happened in one of the morning games (and there are 3x as many morning/early afternoon games as later games), then everyone would've been pulled off that game to see the beginning of some other game.

The network that has the game might like it, but the other networks don't - and when you have games on every single network and are getting paid by all of them, you don't want to upset any of them.

Similarly, the advertisers paid for x number of spots per game - when they go into OT, they're either getting extra spots for free or maybe they work that out later (I don't have experience with it on the NFL level - but on smaller-level games, yeah, they've paid for a set number of spots - that's why in some games with not very many stoppages in play, you'll get some extra-long breaks at the end, or they'll throw in breaks where there might not otherwise be any).
 
2012-11-12 12:19:40 PM  
Football needs a shootout. The NHL implemented it and
Fans have loved it from day one. No complaints whatsoever.
 
2012-11-12 02:15:52 PM  

IAmRight: LesserEvil: I think the networks relish the opportunity to push more advertising nationally when a game goes into overtime, rather than turn over programming to the local channel's infomercial slot. Sports will always command a higher advertising rate than the local affiliate's programming.

Part of the agreement with the NFL means that the station has to change it to the next game - if that OT happened in one of the morning games (and there are 3x as many morning/early afternoon games as later games), then everyone would've been pulled off that game to see the beginning of some other game.

The network that has the game might like it, but the other networks don't - and when you have games on every single network and are getting paid by all of them, you don't want to upset any of them.

Similarly, the advertisers paid for x number of spots per game - when they go into OT, they're either getting extra spots for free or maybe they work that out later (I don't have experience with it on the NFL level - but on smaller-level games, yeah, they've paid for a set number of spots - that's why in some games with not very many stoppages in play, you'll get some extra-long breaks at the end, or they'll throw in breaks where there might not otherwise be any).


I've heard the NFL broadcasters have a certain number guaranteed to air, then basically offers up slots that may or may not air, but you only pay if the game goes long.
 
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