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(The Big Story)   The AP has discovered the other woman that Petraeus was all in   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 36
    More: Followup, CIA Director David Petraeus, MacDill Air Force Base, Army Reserve, United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dianne Feinstein, holly, United States House Committee on Homeland Security  
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2012-11-11 11:06:01 PM
3 votes:
It has got to suck to be this Jill Kelley lady. She wasn't doing anything wrong and tried to report somebody that was harassing her, and now her name is going to get dragged through the mud in all of this. You know every right wing blog and nutcase is going to be claiming some wild theory of how she was working for Obama to discredit Petraeus.
2012-11-12 08:50:44 AM
2 votes:

cloud_van_dame: Yet another theory: Other other woman was not his mistress, but the female half of a couple that was friends with General P and his wife.
She somehow found out about the affair and that is why the mistress viewed her as a threat - she might tell Mrs. P and Mr. B.

Maybe now we know why Mrs. P has that "I did my time" look. She's sick of this shiat, but can't be bothered to file for divorce.


Why should she file for divorce and settle for a lower standard of living? If he wants a divorce, let hims sign over any minor children, the house, her preferred car. a minimum of half of all the savings and retirement accounts and agree to a generous alimony payment. Then, Mr. Publicly-humiliate-my-wife, can have a divorce.
2012-11-12 06:28:38 AM
2 votes:
No woman is worth losing your job and dignity over.
2012-11-12 04:17:09 AM
2 votes:

LiquidSky: Mistress A using P's own email doesn't make sense. The FBI investigation had been going on for months before they realised P was involved. Having it come from his email would've been a big farking hint that he might be involved.

So Mistress A definitely used her own email to harass lady B. I assume the FBI went through her emails (looking for evidence of the crazy) and stumbled across evidence of the affair.


Reports from today indicate that Mistress Bunny-Boiler set up a fake Petraeus gmail account and used that to harass Lady B, pretending to be Petraeus himself, including references to classified material.

Lady B, being a longtime friend of both Petraeuses, didn't think it was really him and thought someone had hacked his account. She contacted the FBI because of the serious nature of the threats, and because of suspected hacking.

FBI hears "hey, so... I'm getting psycho emails from Gen Petraeus. You might wanna make sure he didn't get hacked, cuz... security issues." FBI investigates the fake email account, figure out it's Bunny Boiler, and then stumble upon all manner of other crazy going on too.

This seems pretty direct to me. If I were in Lady B's shoes, I'd have done exactly the same thing. The FBI's reaction seems pretty fair to me too, considering the situation.
2012-11-12 04:11:35 AM
2 votes:

LiquidSky: gadian: noneyourbase: I think this is more likely. If you were having an affair with the DCI and his other Other Woman contacted you, would you go to the FBI?

My understanding is that Mistress A contacted lady B out of Petraeus's own email account. To lady B, it would have looked like Petraeus was threatening her in some way. If I believed the CIA director was threatening me, I'd take that shiat to the FBI, CIA, and the local news agencies to save my own skin, affair or not.

Mistress A using P's own email doesn't make sense. The FBI investigation had been going on for months before they realised P was involved. Having it come from his email would've been a big farking hint that he might be involved.

So Mistress A definitely used her own email to harass lady B. I assume the FBI went through her emails (looking for evidence of the crazy) and stumbled across evidence of the affair.

Actually, it likely that Mistress A was harassing lady B about something other than P - maybe B ran over her cat or something. If Mistress A though B was the other OTHER woman, you'd think the harassing emails would have hinted it was about a guy, and the FBI would've gone looking for something like that (and then they would've realised the P affair earlier).


Yeah, but if the coworker lady wasn't actually having an affair with Patraeus, she wouldn't have known for certain what the mistress was going on about, and would have rightly judged her as a mentally unstable stalker type, and if she realized who the mistress was and that she was a West Point grad, she probably would have felt even more threatened.

People who cheat are the most likely to think other people are cheating. It's not at all far fetched that the mistress was just off her rocker crazy. I've dealt with some crazy in my time, and let me tell you, reality is no roadblock to their delusions. They think whatever they want to think. She started having an affair with Patraeus by working with him (on the biography) so it's only natural that she'd get suspicious of his attractive female co-workers, because she assumes they're all crazed, cock-hungry skanks dying to starfark famous or important men, just like she is.

She'll also assume they're sneaky and stalkery like she is, so a lack of any evidence of an affair will be no deterrence to her paranoia. She'll just assume the other woman is a manipulative mastermind to be pulling it off, that she really has her hooks in her man because he's obviously protecting her by saying nothing is going on, and this will fuel her hatred even more, and the crazy dial will crank even further towards eleventy.
2012-11-11 11:22:34 PM
2 votes:

KrispyKritter: basemetal: I feel bad for the spouses. It's bad enough to know your spouse is a lying cheating whore, but now to have the whole sordid affair dragged through the main stream press ad nauseum would be like another kick in the nads.

it's truly in poor taste that this sewage makes its way into the mainstream. just as with President Obama's SS men cavorting with the locals or when President Clinton spent some quality time with a young lady, it reflects poorly on the country's leaders on the overall. school children are encouraged to keep abreast of current events. these are not the type of things we need influencing school children or citizens in other countries.


Uh, I really don't think citizens of other countries are as pearl clutching as those of us in the states. With the exception of Bill Clinton, whose image may (and I stress the word may) have been tarnished because of the sordid details that came out of the subsequent and bogus impeachment hearings, I think extramarital affairs are basically shrugged at for the most part in the rest of the world. And I truly don't think the Secret Service's antics in South America or Petreus's flings bear any reflection on President Obama.
2012-11-11 11:09:17 PM
2 votes:

maddermaxx: StreetlightInTheGhetto: The other theory was that the second second women wasn't having an affair with Petraeus, but that the crazy you shan't stick your dick into thought she was and started harassing her.

Main, that Daily Show interview is hilariously depressing in retrospect (and apparently it was obvious the first time around, but I remember thinking it was too damn boring so I clicked on Colbert before it got to that point).

Yeah, I would say the theory that the second woman wasn't having an affair with him is more likely, because if she WAS having an affair with him, she wouldn't have taken it to the FBI, i think. Most likely it's just someone he's friends with (article say she and her husband were friends with Petraeus), and the crazy lady went after her. Remember, they'll be going through Petraeus' email, so if anything was between them, it would come out eventually, and therefore he would have admitted to it.


Pretty much this. I'm sorry the second woman is going to get dragged into this as a second potential mistress when it looks to me like she was the one who went to the FBI herself.

And I don't blame her. The actual mistress has some serious crazy eyes. She probably looked at them and decided it was better to get dragged through the mud by the press than either be in the target of that bunny boiler herself, or have our nation's security compromised by her. She does not look like a woman with a level head and sober judgement, even above and beyond the affair part. She looks five alarm diaper astronaut crazy and I'd want the FBI sicced on her too.
2012-11-11 09:26:16 PM
2 votes:

Confabulat: Oh joy a local girl. Stay classy, Tampa Bay.


Still could be wrong:

A former associate of Petraeus confirmed the target of the emails was Kelley, but said there was no affair between the two, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the retired general's private life. The associate, who has been in touch with Petraeus since his resignation, says Kelley and her husband were longtime friends of Petraeus and wife, Holly.

Anonymous source, sure. And I could be wrong. But considering a) Kelley *went* to the FBI about the threats herself, which would have to be either really freaking threatening if the affair was true or not true at all for that to happen and b) the crazy accusing her, well...

Benefit of the doubt, I give it.

/like it matters
//other than BENGAZI!!! and "Well, CLINTON did it, why is it so bad?" this is pretty darn entertaining
///well, y'know, careers shattered and all, but I'll go with the SO on this one and say that if you're the head of the CIA you should know how to hide an affair and how to keep your special lady (or man) friend quiet, I mean, come on, you're the freaking CIA Director
2012-11-11 09:21:00 PM
2 votes:
The other theory was that the second second women wasn't having an affair with Petraeus, but that the crazy you shan't stick your dick into thought she was and started harassing her.

Main, that Daily Show interview is hilariously depressing in retrospect (and apparently it was obvious the first time around, but I remember thinking it was too damn boring so I clicked on Colbert before it got to that point).
2012-11-12 09:22:17 AM
1 votes:

RevCarter:
Agreed, except as a former army intel officer, she did have something of a professional obligation to keep her mouth shut.


Broadwell is an Army Reserve Officer. If she was dishing out classified information she should be locked up. The fact that she was involved in adultery, I'm surprised she's not enjoying a court-martial.
2012-11-12 04:32:02 AM
1 votes:

RevCarter: Just to muddle things further, Broadwell was revealing secret Benghazi information last month - Link

Seriously.


Wow. This chick is weapons-grade crazy.

Pretty sure we're gonna be hearing just how deep the rabbit hole goes over the next month or so.
2012-11-12 04:28:30 AM
1 votes:
The most important thing is that we can still write articles where the majority of the sources are anonymous. I understand the journalist perspective on this, maintaining the anonymity of your sources so you maintain your credibility, but how much of a shiat stain do you have to be to talk about on going investigations or talk about the personal lives of your friends then claim anonymity so you don't have to deal with any consequences? Still, as a journalist, isn't the information you gather from anonymous sources supposed to then be corroborated?

/Side note: anonymity in reference to whistle blowing should be maintained to discourage fear of reprisals
2012-11-12 02:59:35 AM
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If all of this, including the general's resignation, had transpired and come out right before the election, would we be practicing the words, "President Romney"?


Horse shiat
2012-11-12 02:55:01 AM
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If all of this, including the general's resignation, had transpired and come out right before the election, would we be practicing the words, "President Romney"?


Doubtful, it would have hyped up the Bengazi conspiracy nuts even further, but they were voting against Obama anyway. I don't think the average voter would blame Obama for a Republican ex-general having an affair.
2012-11-12 02:54:39 AM
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If all of this, including the general's resignation, had transpired and come out right before the election, would we be practicing the words, "President Romney"?


Because anger at a powerful man with multiple womenfolk makes us want to vote for a Mormon.
2012-11-12 02:33:04 AM
1 votes:

noneyourbase: I think this is more likely. If you were having an affair with the DCI and his other Other Woman contacted you, would you go to the FBI?


My understanding is that Mistress A contacted lady B out of Petraeus's own email account. To lady B, it would have looked like Petraeus was threatening her in some way. If I believed the CIA director was threatening me, I'd take that shiat to the FBI, CIA, and the local news agencies to save my own skin, affair or not.
2012-11-12 12:58:47 AM
1 votes:

RevCarter: Just to muddle things further, Broadwell was revealing secret Benghazi information last month - Link

Seriously.


Dayum. Wonder what other private CIA intel she learned. fark, no wonder Patraeus resigned. Really reckless and unprofessional on his part if he did tell her anything.

/don't stick your dick in crazy
//but if you do, definitely don't tell crazy anything important
2012-11-12 12:10:10 AM
1 votes:

RevCarter: Just to muddle things further, Broadwell was revealing secret Benghazi information last month - Link

Seriously.


Disclaimer: this whole BENGHAZI CONSPIRACY crap is still BS. Even disregarding the numerous attacks on embassies during Dubya's reign - douchebag terrorists took advantage of a pissed off population to f--k up an outpost diplomatic base. Horrible tragedy. Neither that, nor the [supposed] "coverup", was a "conspiracy". If there were any merit, the family members of those who died would be demanding an investigation, not telling political candidates to STFU and stop using their dead son as political capitol.

That said:


"Now I don't know if a lot of you heard this," she replied, "but the CIA annex had actually-had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that's still being vetted."


Holy f--king crap, I very nearly headdesked after reading that.

I'm all for transparency in government, but for national security's sake I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt for some time period to sensitive diplomatic information abroad. I think Manning hasn't been treated well, but I also think that releasing current information about diplomatic activities abroad is freaking dangerous. A time frame for when information has to be released for the public/scholars/historians/whatever - and within reason, extensions can be requested by the current administration - is something I would be much more comfortable with.

In any case, I'm tipsy, and holy crap, Shiat You Should Not F--king Disclose, especially if a source fed you this information (if you came across it through your own detective work, doesn't count, because if you could someone else could too): top of the list includes "CIA" in the text and "I don't know if you heard this" somewhere at the beginning.
2012-11-11 11:59:24 PM
1 votes:
Yet another theory: Other other woman was not his mistress, but the female half of a couple that was friends with General P and his wife.
She somehow found out about the affair and that is why the mistress viewed her as a threat - she might tell Mrs. P and Mr. B.

Maybe now we know why Mrs. P has that "I did my time" look. She's sick of this shiat, but can't be bothered to file for divorce.
2012-11-11 11:51:44 PM
1 votes:

RevCarter: Just to muddle things further, Broadwell was revealing secret Benghazi information last month - Link

Seriously.


If that story is accurate: As idiotic as it is for her to be attention whoring with classified intel, afaik it wasn't her JOB to keep secrets, it was HIS and he is the more deserving of our contempt.
2012-11-11 11:34:15 PM
1 votes:
Just to muddle things further, Broadwell was revealing secret Benghazi information last month - Link

Seriously.
2012-11-11 11:05:37 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: I feel bad for the spouses. It's bad enough to know your spouse is a lying cheating whore, but now to have the whole sordid affair dragged through the main stream press ad nauseum would be like another kick in the nads.


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/poor girl
2012-11-11 10:35:20 PM
1 votes:
Photo of the Petraeus (Petrii?), Jill Kelley, and her identical twin sister.

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2012-11-11 10:34:00 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The other theory was that the second second women wasn't having an affair with Petraeus, but that the crazy you shan't stick your dick into thought she was and started harassing her.

Main, that Daily Show interview is hilariously depressing in retrospect (and apparently it was obvious the first time around, but I remember thinking it was too damn boring so I clicked on Colbert before it got to that point).


Yeah, I would say the theory that the second woman wasn't having an affair with him is more likely, because if she WAS having an affair with him, she wouldn't have taken it to the FBI, i think. Most likely it's just someone he's friends with (article say she and her husband were friends with Petraeus), and the crazy lady went after her. Remember, they'll be going through Petraeus' email, so if anything was between them, it would come out eventually, and therefore he would have admitted to it.
2012-11-11 09:12:50 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Seriously? His mistress wasn't even harassing his wife but a different woman? That's almost impressive.


The whole thing reminds me of that crazy astronaut lady from a few years back. She had crazy eyes, too.
2012-11-11 08:07:26 PM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Even if he is a personal hero, his shine is tarnished but I wish him and his family the best through this. It's only going to get worse from here.


Pretty much this.

I actually rather liked Patreus before this and am personally disappointed in the man's action here and feel really sorry for his wife and family.

An intelligent head of intelligence doesn't make decisions with his little head.
2012-11-11 07:42:37 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Why can't people in power have concubines anymore.


His security clearance. Aside from the honor of a Flag Officer, the main concern is that this leaves him vulnerable to blackmail. Head of the CIA with a skeleton like that? Very, very dangerous.

When I got my TS/SCI they pretty much looked into everything in my life and I had to answer a few pretty embarrassing questions before they felt confident that I posed no risk.

That they actually found out about this through a tangential investigation should be ringing alarm bells. Guy screwed up big time. Even if he is a personal hero, his shine is tarnished but I wish him and his family the best through this. It's only going to get worse from here.

America specializes in tearing apart their heroes, even and especially when they deserve it.
2012-11-11 07:30:22 PM
1 votes:
Why can't people in power have concubines anymore. Solomon had 2000. That's a lot more than 99 Kanye. It was out in the open. Book it, done.

We need a sleeze like Kenedy with the spine of Andrew Jackson. Just have the wife, the mistress, the pool boy, the husband, or a donkey. As long as you get your job done well, I don't care what you're doing in bed.
2012-11-11 06:48:39 PM
1 votes:

abb3w: I thought it was sailors who were traditionally the ones with a woman in every port.


My Army buddy assures me that in the Navy it's "Wine, women and song" on shore and back on the boat it"s "Rum, bum and concertina".

Admittedly he may have made all that up cos apparently there's some kind of inter-service rivalry going on there.
2012-11-11 06:44:19 PM
1 votes:
He shouldn't have started affairs on multiple fronts.

Classic military blunder, that.

*harumph*
2012-11-11 06:18:01 PM
1 votes:
Oh joy a local girl. Stay classy, Tampa Bay.
2012-11-11 05:13:35 PM
1 votes:
I thought it was sailors who were traditionally the ones with a woman in every port.

OK; so, can anyone turn up another case of a married American political figure having two mistresses get in a fight that makes the news?
2012-11-11 04:49:47 PM
1 votes:

wambu: He will rue the day he approved that book title.


You know he and his mistress chuckled over the "Anaconda" chapter.
2012-11-11 04:19:50 PM
1 votes:

wambu: He will rue the day he approved that book title.


Given the pattern one has to wonder how many other ladies filled his bed in the past.
2012-11-11 04:15:24 PM
1 votes:
He will rue the day he approved that book title.
2012-11-11 04:08:32 PM
1 votes:
He should have got them both in a pile.
 
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