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(Wikipedia)   Although secession is unconstitutional, the constitution allows for states to split or combine into new states. North and South Florida anyone?   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line 239
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2012-11-11 11:00:31 PM
The Republicans are a T-1000.

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2012-11-11 11:00:51 PM

theorellior: I'll just leave this here...

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I'm really confused why the state of Dearborn doesn't actually include Dearborn, Michigan.

Other than that, yeah, "Superior" got a shout-out!

/If the adorably grizzled plaid wearing bearded rapscallion hermits in the UP haven't been able to secede from the lazy trolls in the LP who didn't even fight a real war with Ohio to get the UP in the first place (did I piss off all Michiganders yet?), I doubt North/South Florida would ever happen
 
2012-11-11 11:01:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: Because it will help the GOP win?


It is the only thing that matters. Not improving the party, not introducing better ideas to actually help the entire country.

No, change everything just to win. Winning is THE main goal in the GOP, apparently.
 
2012-11-11 11:03:32 PM

I_Hate_Iowa: tomasso: Same with Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire

Wouldn't combining New Hampshire and Vermont be like oil and water? Who has the bigger population?


Maine
 
2012-11-11 11:03:41 PM
Can we cut Douglas county out of Kansas and make it a state?
 
2012-11-11 11:05:08 PM

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: Because it will help the GOP win?

It is the only thing that matters. Not improving the party, not introducing better ideas to actually help the entire country.

No, change everything just to win. Winning is THE main goal in the GOP, apparently.


Close - Winning NOW is the main GOP goal. Otherwise, why work so hard to piss off America's fastest growing demographic?

/+Muslims, who -- all things being equal -- are natural Republicans
 
2012-11-11 11:06:38 PM

beantowndog: I_Hate_Iowa: tomasso: Same with Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire

Wouldn't combining New Hampshire and Vermont be like oil and water? Who has the bigger population?

Maine


I'll be damned. I thought for sure Maine'd be emptier than that. Or I guess I'm also overestimating VT and NH's population density too.
 
2012-11-11 11:06:41 PM

Smallberries: California needs to be split into 3 or more. SoCal, North California, and Farmer Cal.


Four states. Jefferson (everything north of Tahoe, about 39 North), SoCal (everything south of the Tehachapi Mountains, or 35 North), Pacifica (west of I-5) and Valley (East of I-5).

/actually, the border between Pacifica and Valley could parallel I-5 rather than be exactly on it, I just used that since it's pretty obvious on the map.
 
2012-11-11 11:10:42 PM

cmb53208: Wisconsin could probably be split right down the middle leaving a western half which would be predominately Democrat, with the eastern half being predominately Republican.


As a Milwaukeean, fark this noise to hell and back.

Also splitting Wisconsin seems kind of silly. For equality in the Senate, all of the states would be roughly the size of what Wisconsin is currently.

Honestly if we're actually going to try and solve this problem, I'd propose the Swiss solution. Their upper house is proportioned the same way ours is (set number of representatives for each canton), but extremely small cantons, the Dakotas and Wyomings of Switzerland, are classified as "half cantons" and only get one representative in the upper house.

I'd be quite alright if Wyoming, Delaware, etc. only had one senator and California, Texas, and New York had 3.
 
2012-11-11 11:10:58 PM

one small post for man: Can we cut Douglas county out of Kansas and make it a state?


Don't leave Shawnee behind! Please?
 
2012-11-11 11:12:47 PM
Lol sure are a lot of people talking about secession.
 
2012-11-11 11:15:49 PM

vpb: I have wondered about this.

You have states that are insignificant in the electoral college but have oversize representation in the senate. And you have states where it's the other way around.

If you could combine small states they could matter more in the electoral college, if you could divide states like New York, they would matter more in the Senate.

It's a matter of trading Senatorial influence for Presidential influence I think.


What about California? We have 40 times the population of certain states but the same 2 senators. And NO say in presidential elections, not in the primaries, not one advertisement. I have to watch Rachel Maddow to see the Ohio tank commercial as a metacommercial.
 
2012-11-11 11:16:23 PM

vpb: You have states that are insignificant in the electoral college but have oversize representation in the senate. And you have states where it's the other way around.

If you could combine small states they could matter more in the electoral college, if you could divide states like New York, they would matter more in the Senate.

It's a matter of trading Senatorial influence for Presidential influence I think.


No. North and South Dakota have three electoral votes each. As the Great State of Unified Dakota, they'd have...three. Four at the most.

The Electoral College magnifies the importance of small states for exactly the same reason that the Senate does. This is why, except for Virginia/West Virginia in the chaos of the Civil War, no state has ever been split up. No other state wants to see their own power diluted like that. And it's why there will never be Unified Dakota--they'd be throwing away two Senators and a Representative for nothing.
 
2012-11-11 11:18:25 PM
Considering haw partisan we have become, most northerners did not like being lead by Bush, most southerners don't like being lead by Obama. I think the time is coming for a northern US and a southern US.

Free trade and movement would remain. The Northern US would have a more liberal government the Southern gov would be more conservative.

everyone would probably be a heck of a lot happier
 
2012-11-11 11:19:13 PM
What is it with these retarded maps where they carefully avoid using any existing state boundaries or names? I mean, that one was so frustrated they renamed Hawaii and probably wished they could combine a couple of its islands with Guam but realized that would be exposing their trollary a bit too much. Just go back to playing RPGs already.

We live in a passive-aggressive world. We can't even get shiat like Quebec or Washington D.C. sorted out, forget totally redrawing a map and giving it dumbass names.
 
2012-11-11 11:20:42 PM
As someone living in the Northeast, I'm becoming more and more okay with talk of state's rights. Why should some Tea Party congressmen from Alabama stop me from joining the rest of the first world?

/the northeast becoming its own country is a secret fantasy of mine.
 
2012-11-11 11:22:15 PM

abb3w: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'd say more than five. Like, however many atoms that make that place up.

An interesting notion; but "five" is what they were promised by the treaty of annexation.


It's already been done.

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2012-11-11 11:22:16 PM

pxsteel: Considering haw partisan we have become, most northerners did not like being lead by Bush, most southerners don't like being lead by Obama. I think the time is coming for a northern US and a southern US.

Free trade and movement would remain. The Northern US would have a more liberal government the Southern gov would be more conservative.

everyone would probably be a heck of a lot happier


I could have saved myself a post and just said "this".
 
2012-11-11 11:22:59 PM

quatchi: North/South Florida?

Cutting Florida in half?

So.. the Bobbitt amendment?

/Yeah, not proud of that one.


The Xanth Amendment.
 
2012-11-11 11:23:04 PM

pxsteel: everyone would probably be a heck of a lot happier


Or not.

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2012-11-11 11:24:08 PM
Where's the double FLORIDA tag subby?
 
2012-11-11 11:26:10 PM
I support a two-state solution; America and Jesusland
 
2012-11-11 11:27:01 PM
I have always thought that California and Texas should be split and Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas should be combined. Maybe Idaho and and Nevada combine. Then make Guam and the Virgin Islands into states.
 
2012-11-11 11:29:18 PM
As I recall, there actually was a plan long, long ago to create Florida as two states - East and West Florida. It didn't pan out, I think because "West Florida" would only be connected to "East Florida" and thus have all land routes and trade dependent upon them, so to settle the matter, they just made it one state.

//Peninsular problems.
 
2012-11-11 11:33:40 PM

lawsucks: Repubicans suffering from incredible butthurt.l


Check this out.

I'm thinking of signing all of them and getting everyone else to as well, so I can soak in the schadenfreude when they realise Obama is just going to ignore their retardation.
 
2012-11-11 11:36:14 PM

MithrandirBooga: lawsucks: Repubicans suffering from incredible butthurt.l

Check this out.

I'm thinking of signing all of them and getting everyone else to as well, so I can soak in the schadenfreude when they realise Obama is just going to ignore their retardation.


It is a trick to get you to sign up on whitehouse.gov! Wake up sheeple!
 
2012-11-11 11:37:39 PM

LordOfThePings: pxsteel: everyone would probably be a heck of a lot happier

Or not.

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Thanks. That was easy on the eyes.
 
2012-11-11 11:39:31 PM

LordOfThePings: pxsteel: everyone would probably be a heck of a lot happier

Or not.

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Dear Northern US. The Southern US would be be happy to trade So Cal, Nev and Col for the flyover states.
 
2012-11-11 11:42:58 PM

MithrandirBooga: lawsucks: Repubicans suffering from incredible butthurt.l

Check this out.

I'm thinking of signing all of them and getting everyone else to as well, so I can soak in the schadenfreude when they realise Obama is just going to ignore their retardation.


Oh look:

Peacefully grant the State of Missouri to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government
right next to it
Peacefully grant the State of Missouri to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government

Those fu(king retards are gonna ruin the site for the rest of us.
 
2012-11-11 11:43:53 PM
Too late.

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2012-11-11 11:44:56 PM

doyner: Clearly we need to do whatever is most beneficial to the Republican party.


Hang all Democrats?
 
2012-11-11 11:45:20 PM

MisterTweak: Too late.

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I can see Russia from New York!
 
2012-11-11 11:46:03 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Those fu(king retards are gonna ruin the site for the rest of us.


But wait there's more!

The State of South Carolina to Secede from the Union and form it's own Government as a Sovereign State
and then
Peacefully grant the State of S.C. to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

I'm seriously considering adding a petition to take down the secession petitions. With the power of the internet, I bet that could get to 25,000 'signatures' before the others do
 
2012-11-11 11:48:17 PM
Does that matter?

Our Government doesn't about the constitution anymore
 
2012-11-11 11:48:29 PM

urban.derelict: Combine virginia and west virginia, enough of this sh*t, they're the ONLY instance of 'country' and 'west country'... f8ckin' rednecks


Fark that Northern VA wants to secede from the downstate drain on our economy. We don't get the right representation in the statehouse and they take our money. Let us be free. We'll even take DC they at least have a tax base.
 
2012-11-11 11:48:56 PM

theorellior: I'll just leave this here...

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There is no way in any deities name you could make michigan natives take Toledo.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:34 PM

theorellior: I'll just leave this here...

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Eff you I ain't living under some Northies rule or traveling all the way to friggin Bismark when I want to yell at my Rep.
 
2012-11-11 11:52:59 PM

Shaggy_C: Wait, since when is secession "unconstitutional"? ThatT doesn't even make sense. It's anti-constitutional, sure, but the document isn't a suicide pact.


Texas v. White
 
2012-11-11 11:53:27 PM

Hunter_Worthington: That would be a waste of time. The better thing to do would be allocate Electoral Votes to the candidate winning the majority of the House Districts in the state, i.e., if Florida had a majority GOP delegation, the GOP candidate would get the whole state's electoral vote.

That would end that "swing state" nonsense.


Obama won more votes than Romney in Ohio. If Ohio apportioned its delegates in the way Nebraska does, with a vote going to the winner of each congressional district and 2 to the statewide winner, Obama would have lost Ohio something like 12-6 despite taking more votes overall.
 
2012-11-11 11:54:39 PM

Hunter_Worthington: That would be a waste of time. The better thing to do would be allocate Electoral Votes to the candidate winning the majority of the House Districts in the state, i.e., if Florida had a majority GOP delegation, the GOP candidate would get the whole state's electoral vote.

That would end that "swing state" nonsense.


The trouble with that is not all house districts are created equal. IN VA there is a difference of 600,000 people between the most populated district and the least populated district.
 
2012-11-11 11:57:02 PM

tarkus1980: Hunter_Worthington: That would be a waste of time. The better thing to do would be allocate Electoral Votes to the candidate winning the majority of the House Districts in the state, i.e., if Florida had a majority GOP delegation, the GOP candidate would get the whole state's electoral vote.

That would end that "swing state" nonsense.

Obama won more votes than Romney in Ohio. If Ohio apportioned its delegates in the way Nebraska does, with a vote going to the winner of each congressional district and 2 to the statewide winner, Obama would have lost Ohio something like 12-6 despite taking more votes overall.


And if they did it the way a normal state does, the GOP would have ran the table.

punkwrestler: Hunter_Worthington: That would be a waste of time. The better thing to do would be allocate Electoral Votes to the candidate winning the majority of the House Districts in the state, i.e., if Florida had a majority GOP delegation, the GOP candidate would get the whole state's electoral vote.

That would end that "swing state" nonsense.

The trouble with that is not all house districts are created equal. IN VA there is a difference of 600,000 people between the most populated district and the least populated district.


That's a feature, not a bug.
 
2012-11-12 12:01:25 AM
We could just get rid of the electoral college. It doesnt seem fair that the two largest cities in Kentucky go blue yet the rest of the state can drown them out.

I like living in this beautiful state, I just hate the republicans in it.
 
2012-11-12 12:03:09 AM

abb3w: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'd say more than five. Like, however many atoms that make that place up.

An interesting notion; but "five" is what they were promised by the treaty of annexation.


Already happened.

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2012-11-12 12:03:41 AM
thepeoplespdx.com
 
2012-11-12 12:05:27 AM

Hunter_Worthington: That's a feature, not a bug.


Gerrymandering is a feature and not a bug?

How much spray paint did you huff before coming to that conclusion?
 
2012-11-12 12:10:21 AM

doyner: Clearly we need to do whatever is most beneficial to the Republican party.


This! It's about time someone on this internet message discussion reading board figured this out. Democracy and liberty are only as good as the number of Republicans that are in power.
 
2012-11-12 12:10:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: Or we could take the far more straight forward approach and use a direct election.


I'm all for getting rid of the Electoral College.

But that doesn't help people channel their butthurt the way talking secession does.
 
2012-11-12 12:12:16 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: abb3w: I think the split of Texas into five pieces makes more immediate sense.

Nah, just split Alaska in half, so Texas becomes the 3rd biggest state.


Apply cool water directly to the burned area (Texas).
 
2012-11-12 12:12:33 AM
The great state of Alabama, home of Nick Saban, racist tweets, racists and rocket scientists, would happily welcome her new citizens living in Pensacola, Panama City, Bonifay and associated regions.
 
2012-11-12 12:12:47 AM

CmndrFish: cmb53208: Wisconsin could probably be split right down the middle leaving a western half which would be predominately Democrat, with the eastern half being predominately Republican.

As a Milwaukeean, fark this noise to hell and back.

Also splitting Wisconsin seems kind of silly. For equality in the Senate, all of the states would be roughly the size of what Wisconsin is currently.

Honestly if we're actually going to try and solve this problem, I'd propose the Swiss solution. Their upper house is proportioned the same way ours is (set number of representatives for each canton), but extremely small cantons, the Dakotas and Wyomings of Switzerland, are classified as "half cantons" and only get one representative in the upper house.

I'd be quite alright if Wyoming, Delaware, etc. only had one senator and California, Texas, and New York had 3.


That defeats the whole purpose of the Senate, which is that every state be represented equally. We already have the house for proportional representation.
 
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