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(Santa Cruz Sentinel)   In the middle of a robbery, facing a 5'3" guy with a shotgun, store employee thinks to himself, "I can take this guy." And he does   (santacruzsentinel.com) divider line 118
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2012-11-11 02:41:46 PM
And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.
 
2012-11-11 04:30:20 PM
He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.
 
2012-11-11 05:29:43 PM
A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?
 
2012-11-11 05:52:11 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


What else are you supposed to wear over your bandana?
 
2012-11-11 05:52:47 PM

CruiserTwelve:
Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Yeah, they had no problems with: "They learned that the man was holding a black, full-sized pump shotgun". Why is it ok to be racist towards shotguns?!?
 
2012-11-11 05:53:37 PM
FTFA: Police ask anyone who sees someone matching the description to call 9-1-1.

I saw that guy and tried to call but I couldn't find the hyphen key on the dialer.
 
2012-11-11 05:55:32 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


lh4.ggpht.com
 
2012-11-11 05:56:32 PM
no race description, so we're assuming the man is an african american
 
2012-11-11 05:56:47 PM
I might take my chances against a small handgun or a knife depending on the situation, but not with a shotgun. Fark that, that's what insurance money is for.
 
2012-11-11 05:57:34 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


Most people that live in cold climates?
 
2012-11-11 05:57:50 PM
This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
 
2012-11-11 06:01:03 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


Everyone?
 
2012-11-11 06:02:41 PM
If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.
 
2012-11-11 06:03:38 PM

CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.
 
2012-11-11 06:04:22 PM
5'-3"? Yosemite Sam must have got paroled.
 
2012-11-11 06:05:05 PM
Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.
 
2012-11-11 06:05:09 PM
Congratulations low wage earning savior of the cash register. Here is your Brad Hamilton award

i25.tinypic.com

You kicked 100% of his arse!
 
2012-11-11 06:06:20 PM

Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!


Horatio does NOT "don" sunglasses. Period.
 
2012-11-11 06:06:43 PM
Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!
 
2012-11-11 06:06:56 PM
Wanted for questioning?

media.washtimes.com
 
2012-11-11 06:07:27 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.
 
2012-11-11 06:07:30 PM

Captain Darling: CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.


Or it's just that obvious.
 
2012-11-11 06:08:09 PM
There are 2 sides to this as with every story.
A). The guy could perish and have his family sue for millions to save a hundred or maybe a thousand dollars that the business will just make an insurance claim on or eat the cost of the deductible?
B). The guy did a ninja backflip kick, disarming the would-be theft's AK-47 while "Saving The Infant Child!*"

*(twitter was involved...more at 11)

Which one is more likely and/or should happen.

/petty thieves are jackasses
//people who have knee-jerk reactions (hero tags) are borderline the same
 
2012-11-11 06:08:26 PM
What was robbed, a 7-Eleven, a warehouse full of gold ?
 
2012-11-11 06:08:28 PM
Just remember when facing a shotgun wielding robber the difference between hero and wall smear is a few pounds trigger pull...
 
2012-11-11 06:08:44 PM
"He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Police ask anyone who sees someone matching the description to call 9-1-1."

So... you want our help finding the guy... but his ethnicity is a secret? Really?
 
2012-11-11 06:09:48 PM

Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.


What have you got against surfers and vampires?
 
2012-11-11 06:11:07 PM
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Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.
 
2012-11-11 06:11:09 PM

Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?


He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.
 
2012-11-11 06:11:31 PM
Possible Update: Rumor is (In santa cruz)... hes was a Hispanic gang banger. Not black.

At least it wasn't another random homeless guy stabbing someone to death for no reason (other then mental disorder).
 
2012-11-11 06:14:20 PM
 
2012-11-11 06:16:05 PM
Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero
 
2012-11-11 06:17:43 PM

redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.


Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc.
 
2012-11-11 06:20:06 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Came to say this, too. They also forgot color of hair, eyes, and anything else that could help discern what he looks like. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of 5'3" males in their 20s in a five-mile radius.

An indie filmmaker was looking for the part of his father for a new movie, and specified white male in his 50s. Overnight, he had hundreds of comments about how sexist and racist he was. People really are that dumb. But the news shouldn't omit facts out of fear of jumping to stupid conclusions.
 
2012-11-11 06:21:30 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


This, just give him the money. It's pretty simple.
Having the business lose $1000, or a hole in your chest.

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


I wonder if rather than being afraid of printing it, they just assumed the person's race and didn't print it.
Even with no race mentioned, there are already race comments.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:05 PM

RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero


Firsy, many Santa Cruz bussnisses have a profit sharing model for their employees.

Second, most places I've worked in town (S.C) I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients. Most people I've worked with feel the same. We just have a smaller tighter knit community is Santa Cruz. We may be a liberal town but over half my friends own guns and won't put up with 1 oz of BS.

/and yes, we surf too.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:26 PM

redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.


Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:47 PM
Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".
 
2012-11-11 06:24:27 PM

Hector Remarkable: redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.

Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.


It's not, not not wrong. That is for sure
 
2012-11-11 06:24:58 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


The store has a policy against it primarily to cover their own ass (they don't have to pay for your funeral and can't be sued by your family). But if you're on your own, frankly whether something is worth the risk to your own life is your call.

//What difference does having other people in the room have to do with it? You've watched too many movies, man, short of there being a world's fair-sized crowd in every direction the danger to bystanders isn't particularly large, especially with a shotgun (which won't do things like go through walls, really).
 
2012-11-11 06:25:13 PM
Zontos
I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients.

That's stupid. They weren't taking your job.
 
2012-11-11 06:25:52 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


Especially if your a minimum wage worker bee. Why risk your life for a few bucks that your employer will recover from his insurance company. It's just not worth it to die or get seriously injured for the boss man. A friend of mine has been working three times when his employer was robbed at gun point. He's smart, he just handed the money over like he was trained to do. The last time was when he was working at a casino. Things went bad when the cops showed up, and there was a shoot out in the parking lot. Luckily, the bad guys were right out of GI Joe (or A-Team), and emptied their guns without hitting anything. The cops on the other hand wounded both would be robbers.

I can't imagine what it feels like to have the cops shooting it out in your parking lot as your diving for cover inside. Oh, and apparently Milwaukee sucks if your the working poor.
 
2012-11-11 06:26:48 PM
Hopefully dude gets enough hours for obamacare.
 
2012-11-11 06:27:00 PM

Jim_Callahan: TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.

The store has a policy against it primarily to cover their own ass (they don't have to pay for your funeral and can't be sued by your family). But if you're on your own, frankly whether something is worth the risk to your own life is your call.

//What difference does having other people in the room have to do with it? You've watched too many movies, man, short of there being a world's fair-sized crowd in every direction the danger to bystanders isn't particularly large, especially with a shotgun (which won't do things like go through walls, really).


Shotgun pellets leaving a barrel at 1200 FPS (at a minimum) are going to ricochet. Also seriously? Two people struggling over a gun could easily hurt someone else if the trigger gets pulled.
 
2012-11-11 06:34:05 PM

Zontos: RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero

Firsy, many Santa Cruz bussnisses have a profit sharing model for their employees.

Second, most places I've worked in town (S.C) I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients. Most people I've worked with feel the same. We just have a smaller tighter knit community is Santa Cruz. We may be a liberal town but over half my friends own guns and won't put up with 1 oz of BS.

/and yes, we surf too.


Check out the real-life internet tough guy, a/k/a 'Pussy Hands'
 
2012-11-11 06:34:59 PM

Captain Darling: CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.


Doesn't work, though. The people who need to talk about it bring it up anyway.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:54 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img651.imageshack.us image 480x256]

Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.


I LOVE that movie! Give Sam Raimi 100 mil to remake/re-imagine Army of Darkness, and I would pay to watch the hell out of it.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:55 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


They're not afraid. They only mention it if he's black. Read into that what you will.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:58 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


If they don't include it, he's white.
 
2012-11-11 06:44:55 PM

IlGreven: CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

If they don't include it, he's white.


The guy was Hispanic but thanks for playing. Link is up thread somewhere
 
2012-11-11 06:48:52 PM
"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfarker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."
 
2012-11-11 06:48:53 PM
Does he get to keep the shotgun?
 
2012-11-11 07:01:23 PM
Suppose he just wanted to see if he could get the shotgun? Sure, it's risky, but he'll be dead in 80 years one way or the other.
 
2012-11-11 07:02:45 PM
A business in the 200 block of California Avenue? So the Santa Cruz Market? That's the only business I remember anywhere near there. I had some friends who lived in a rental across the street from the church, between the church and this market. Fun fun times. Ah.... Santa Cruz...

/Go Slugs!
 
2012-11-11 07:07:04 PM
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Unavailable for comment
 
2012-11-11 07:07:10 PM

Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!


Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now
 
2012-11-11 07:08:59 PM

BigBooper: I LOVE that movie! Give Sam Raimi 100 mil to remake/re-imagine Army of Darkness, and I would pay to watch the hell out of it.


Word, man! So good, those movies. I can't tell you how many hours I've lost to watching the Evil Dead trilogy.

And if Raimi wants to give it a remake, hey, have at 'em!
 
2012-11-11 07:14:39 PM
What's the benefit of leaving witnesses?
 
2012-11-11 07:17:58 PM

OnlyM3: Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".


Yeah, because there are so many chromed shotguns out there, right?
 
2012-11-11 07:20:00 PM

DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now


Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-11-11 07:20:07 PM
Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.
 
2012-11-11 07:22:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".

Yeah, because there are so many chromed shotguns out there, right?


Well it could just have a wood stock... Like pretty much all of the standard 870s and 500s, though they have a synthetic option as we
 
2012-11-11 07:22:43 PM
He had no idea who owned the place.
 
2012-11-11 07:25:24 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


/thread
 
2012-11-11 07:25:53 PM
Of course, a 5'3" attacker with a shotgun, you could just duck while he fires, then jump him when he falls over from the recoil.
 
2012-11-11 07:26:44 PM
Does he get to keep the gun?
 
2012-11-11 07:32:35 PM

pup.socket: Does he get to keep the gun?


Yes, thanks to the landmark legal case of Finders and Keepers v. Losers and Weepers.
 
2012-11-11 07:33:14 PM
All you people saying 'don't fight back, just give him the money'- where do y'all work again? I'm sure there are plenty of criminals who'd love to make an easy score tonight.

/stupidest thing since 'gun free home' signs
 
2012-11-11 07:36:05 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


The word "Hero" has been twisted entirely out of its meaning on Fark. You can see the "Hero" tag slapped on stories of mother dogs nursing kittens and retarded children making it to the bathroom in time. Seldom does it signify actual bravery. On Fark you can't be sure that "Hero" just signifies anything more than "someone the poster approves of or sympathizes with."

One suspects this has something to do with the fact that many farkers are none too familiar with bravery. People who apparently think that bravery is on some kind of light switch to be flipped on or off at the conclusion of a cost/befit analysis can't possibly have had much association with the bold. Perhaps part of the problem is that we assume that to call a man "brave" is to praise him, yet it's quite possible to be both brave and a thick-skinned jackass. Indeed, it seems to help. It may also be that the sort of American who spends much time reading things on the Internet often finds the existence of brave men a bit threatening, or even insulting. After all, when you're accustomed to say that nothing is worth risking a life, "Safety First!", and call 911 and hide someplace safe, the guy who says, "Balls to that!" and handles the business himself suggests that someone could do better than act according to your values, and who the fark does he think he is?
 
2012-11-11 07:40:58 PM

ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


------

Right, because in the long, glorious history of armed robberies, no scumbag has EVER taken the money and then just killed everyone in sight for the fark of it. Armed robbers are always rational and reasonable. They are never drug-addled lunatics.
 
2012-11-11 07:43:58 PM
Grew up just down the street from there, it's a little dive of a neighborhood convenience store.
 
2012-11-11 07:46:51 PM

RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero


Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!
 
2012-11-11 07:49:02 PM

ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!
 
2012-11-11 07:49:50 PM

greyw1980: [mimg.ugo.com image 480x360]
Unavailable for comment


Now I gotta be sad all over again, thanks.
 
2012-11-11 07:49:59 PM

Bacontastesgood: redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.

Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc
.


ever see the paycheck for this type of reportage?
Trying to pay of your journalism degree on minimum wage. It doesn't work and after a while, you just don't care. Not every reporter breaks the Watergate story- in fact, most live lives of drunken desperation.
 
2012-11-11 07:51:18 PM
If they don't include it, he's non-white.
 
2012-11-11 07:52:34 PM

Marcintosh: Bacontastesgood: redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.

Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc.

ever see the paycheck for this type of reportage?
Trying to pay of your journalism degree on minimum wage. It doesn't work and after a while, you just don't care. Not every reporter breaks the Watergate story- in fact, most live lives of drunken desperation.


I know a few people who work for the local papers. They definitely make more than minimum wage, but it's definitely not bucketfuls of cash.
 
2012-11-11 07:53:29 PM

StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg


Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg
 
2012-11-11 07:53:49 PM

Felgraf: "Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfarker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."


Snow Crash FTW
 
2012-11-11 08:04:31 PM
havana_joe
Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!

Citizen! Enlist today in the War to Slightly Pad Your Boss's Profit Margin! Some of you (and some bystanders) may die, but it will be worth it, because your boss may get a bonus at the end of the year for having a slightly lower loss rate! And you will be fired for violating policy.

Nice throwing in some misogyny there btw.
 
2012-11-11 08:13:35 PM

havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!


It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.
 
2012-11-11 08:20:52 PM

soundguy: ISO15693:.

Right, because in the long, glorious history of armed robberies, no scumbag has EVER taken the money and then just killed everyone in sight for the fark of it. Armed robbers are always rational and reasonable. They are never drug-addled lunatics.



The rate of robbers who resort to murder AFTER the fact must be small enough as to be insignificant. Most get their shiat and get the hell out of there.

If you are defending these "heroic" actions, you are pretty stupid. There is nothing in a store cash register worth your life, especially if you're a minimum wage peon, and if you believe otherwise you are a complete idiot. I had a neighbor years back with a severe limp because he attempted to chase down some kid who stole a case of beer in front him, and didnt see the car coming in his rush into the parking lot.

He threw away his mobility, his actual ability in life to move, to have sex properly, to run around with his children, to escape in a real emergency, to move at a speed faster than "ambling", etc. for a $10-$15 case of piss beer. I have a slight feeling it was part of the reason he was such a bitter drunk. I wanted to ask him, why? Did you feel like you were making a stand against crime? Some kind of statement for justice? It's $10 from a chain store that loses twice that in shipping errors every day.

Give the irrational idiot whatever he wants to get the armed lunatic out of your vicinity. Your family wants their mom/dad to come home.
 
2012-11-11 08:27:07 PM

D_Evans45: to have sex properly


What's that?
 
2012-11-11 08:29:44 PM

StoPPeRmobile: D_Evans45: to have sex properly

What's that?


It involves drilling her like a jackhammer for two minutes then going outside for a smoke.
 
2012-11-11 08:37:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!

It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.


My bad! I'd put aging ovaries over young balls any day of the week! lol
 
2012-11-11 08:41:18 PM

havana_joe: Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!

It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.

My bad! I'd put aging ovaries over young balls any day of the week! lol


I try to, whenever I can find them.
 
2012-11-11 08:44:18 PM

Hector Remarkable: redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.

Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.


Dude, pass it before it goes out....
 
2012-11-11 09:06:08 PM

DownDaRiver: StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg

Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg


Yeah, that's the ticket!

jonlovitzastheliar.jpg
 
2012-11-11 09:38:09 PM

Tanthalas39: DownDaRiver: StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg

Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg

Yeah, that's the ticket!

jonlovitzastheliar.jpg


i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 09:49:50 PM

RanDomino: havana_joe
Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!

Citizen! Enlist today in the War to Slightly Pad Your Boss's Profit Margin! Some of you (and some bystanders) may die, but it will be worth it, because your boss may get a bonus at the end of the year for having a slightly lower loss rate! And you will be fired for violating policy.

Nice throwing in some misogyny there btw.



Unfair to throw the bosses/owners under the bus in this issue. They're generally unequivocal about their desire to see employees do the smart thing and just hand over the cash and minimize the risk of injury.

This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:24 PM

havana_joe: RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero

Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!


The reason there aren't more people like that in the world today is they all died doing shiat like this.
 
2012-11-11 10:13:55 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


I can't say I'd blame them. He's obviously an idiot. Who risks their life for a convenience store?

Rescuing people from a disaster is heroic. Standing up to a convenience store robber is just dumb. Give him the $200 in the cash register, call the police, and let them find the crook.
 
2012-11-11 10:41:01 PM

technicolor-misfit: Unfair to throw the bosses/owners under the bus in this issue. They're generally unequivocal about their desire to see employees do the smart thing and just hand over the cash and minimize the risk of injury.

This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.


vs those who talk shiat about how calm and rational they'd be when some asshat shoved a shotgun in their face. Not like that stupid clerk who must have watched all those B-grade action movies.
 
2012-11-11 10:41:08 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


active participation in a gunfight voids most insurance
 
2012-11-11 10:57:39 PM

technicolor-misfit: This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.


No, it isn't. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that he himself would be a badass in this situation. Some of us admire the act, and some of us feel the need to point out that it was was irrational, which has fark-all to do with being brave or heroic. Heroes generally are irrational. There was nothing on the heights of Normandy that was worth the lives of those who got themselves blown to bits trying to take it.

If there is anyone who looks like they have something to prove, it is those who, like you, are eager to respond to an act of bravery by saying, "...yeah, but he shouldn't have done it." The impulse to point out a man's faults when you hear of his virtues often comes from a bad place, and it makes you look bad.

Irrational bravery often makes the world a better place, and we admire it because it is a manifest recognition that there are things more important than your own life or safety. Sometimes those things are as insubstantial as an ideal. Take your human dignity for example. Some of us would submit to rape rather than die. Others of us would sooner die or risk death fighting off an armed rapist rather than be degraded in than fashion. The latter course is clearly irrational -- it is not worth your life to keep a penis out of your butt. Nevertheless, we admire and respect them that take the irrational option, and most of us are modest enough to admit that we don't know how we would act should we be confronted with the dire choice, though we hope we would be brave enough to be irrational.

Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug enriches himself at the expense of the law-abiding would be a bad feeling to a lot of us, like watching civilization take a wad of spit to the face. To venture a guess at the motives in this case, I doubt it was the money that mattered, nor a desire to protect the owner from loss. It was probably a matter of being too proud to allow a degenerate robber to walk over him, even though letting it happen would have been the rational thing to do. I salute this.
 
2012-11-11 11:04:38 PM

ShannonKW: technicolor-misfit: This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.

No, it isn't. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that he himself would be a badass in this situation. Some of us admire the act, and some of us feel the need to point out that it was was irrational, which has fark-all to do with being brave or heroic. Heroes generally are irrational. There was nothing on the heights of Normandy that was worth the lives of those who got themselves blown to bits trying to take it.

If there is anyone who looks like they have something to prove, it is those who, like you, are eager to respond to an act of bravery by saying, "...yeah, but he shouldn't have done it." The impulse to point out a man's faults when you hear of his virtues often comes from a bad place, and it makes you look bad.

Irrational bravery often makes the world a better place, and we admire it because it is a manifest recognition that there are things more important than your own life or safety. Sometimes those things are as insubstantial as an ideal. Take your human dignity for example. Some of us would submit to rape rather than die. Others of us would sooner die or risk death fighting off an armed rapist rather than be degraded in than fashion. The latter course is clearly irrational -- it is not worth your life to keep a penis out of your butt. Nevertheless, we admire and respect them that take the irrational option, and most of us are modest enough to admit that we don't know how we would act should we be confronted with the dire choice, though we hope we would be brave enough to be irrational.

Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug ...


Okay, now let's say this hero has a wife and kids he's providing for...
 
2012-11-11 11:15:03 PM
www.whogottherole.com 

Freeze, you diseased rhinocerous pizzle!
 
2012-11-11 11:16:17 PM

redmid17: The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.


I've heard similar stories from other friends. Although the evidence is anecdotal, I think it's enough reason to be skeptical of anything that you read in the news.
 
2012-11-11 11:19:13 PM

ShannonKW:
Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug ...


Heroes are typically people who risk their own lives for the lives of others
My life for yours.
They are being selfless to preserve another (usually innocent) person

Heroes are not people who risk their own lives for something that has very little value.
My life for your iphone.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:27 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.


The trick is to say those three magic words.
 
2012-11-11 11:53:47 PM

Nezorf: Heroes are typically people who risk their own lives for the lives of others


No they aren't. Achilles was a legendary hero. He got masses of his own people killed because he was offended at being cock-blocked. Alvin York was a hero. He was real good at killing people. Erwin Rommel was a hero. He was even better at killing people.

The dictionary doesn't support you. A hero is primary a man who is admired for his bravery. More broadly, and less commonly, he can be any man who is admired for his great deeds and qualities, but altruism (i.e. "risking their own lives for the lives of others") in nowhere specified under any definition of hero. That may be your private definition, but the bulk of the English speaking world has other ideas.

browntimmy: Okay, now let's say this hero has a wife and kids he's providing for...


They end up farked because his bravery. What's to understand? A brave act is a brave act, and it isn't made less brave because the outcome was shiatty. A lot of us would say that everyone would have been better off had Rommel been a whimpering coward rather than the hero he was and who even his enemies admired for his heroism.
 
2012-11-12 12:00:18 AM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


As he should be. There was no reason to take the risk.

Bacontastesgood: Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc.


Yup. *EVERY* case where I have actually known the details there have been major errors in them. They've always gotten the general gist right, the details wrong.

ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


Yup. If all they want is money give it to them. That's what insurance is for.
 
2012-11-12 12:03:10 AM
Youre missing the point Nezorf. Even had he been sprayed all over the wall for next to nothing, he would go out as a hero. I also admire people who risk their lives for chump change. Its not like this guy was a mere finger twitch from foolishly depriving his family from a son/brother/dad/etc.
 
2012-11-12 12:05:13 AM
Who's to say the f*cker wouldn't have just shot him to avoid any witnesses?

Choose your fights.
 
2012-11-12 12:35:52 AM

ShannonKW: Nezorf: Heroes are typically people who risk their own lives for the lives of others

No they aren't. Achilles was a legendary hero. He got masses of his own people killed because he was offended at being cock-blocked. Alvin York was a hero. He was real good at killing people. Erwin Rommel was a hero. He was even better at killing people.

The dictionary doesn't support you. A hero is primary a man who is admired for his bravery. More broadly, and less commonly, he can be any man who is admired for his great deeds and qualities, but altruism (i.e. "risking their own lives for the lives of others") in nowhere specified under any definition of hero. That may be your private definition, but the bulk of the English speaking world has other ideas.


Not going to argue dictionary semantics with you but all three of those fought in War. They were fighting for their country/freedom/fellow soldiers etc. Achilles isn't regarded as a hero for his fight over the woman. He was regarded as a hero prior to the Illiad and for his revenge on Hector. Did any of them fight for a truck of hay? A hat they lost? A coin purse?
 
2012-11-12 01:06:04 AM

ShannonKW: A hero is primary a man who is admired for his bravery. More broadly, and less commonly, he can be any man who is admired for his great deeds and qualities, but altruism (i.e. "risking their own lives for the lives of others") in nowhere specified under any definition of hero. That may be your private definition, but the bulk of the English speaking world has other ideas.




What an act of heroism might look like to ShannonKW.
theintelhub.com
 
2012-11-12 01:07:41 AM
 
2012-11-12 01:14:40 AM

Nezorf: Not going to argue dictionary semantics with you but all three of those fought in War. They were fighting for their country/freedom/fellow soldiers etc. Achilles isn't regarded as a hero for his fight over the woman. He was regarded as a hero prior to the Illiad and for his revenge on Hector. Did any of them fight for a truck of hay? A hat they lost? A coin purse?


Dictionary semantics matter when you're proposing, as you are, that someone else is misusing a term. You mean to say that the robbery victim in TFA does not qualify as a hero, and the go-to reference for the meaning of common-use terms is the dictionary. The definitions there are not beamed to us from other planets but are taken from the mainstream of common use.

The most common idea of a hero is apparently that he has admirable traits, usually bravery, and/or has done great deeds. It is true that defending a cash till from an armed robber is not a great deed in terms of its material effect, but neither is saving a puppy from a burning building. Both acts are undeniably brave however, so lots of people are bound to hail them as heroic.

I think that your problem is that you simply don't admire this man's act, not that you question its bravery. Your idea of admirable courage may be restricted to risking life for other people or great causes, but you would have to do some work to show that that is the "typical" notion of heroism as you say it is, especially among people who are speaking loosely.
 
2012-11-12 02:18:29 AM
I think the issue with the media not mentioning perp's ethnicity is that they are in the business of reporting facts, and the fact is, race is not a scientific moiety. Also, I don't think our would-be robber got into a discussion of his family history during this event.
 
2012-11-12 02:24:35 AM

technicolor-misfit: What an act of heroism might look like to ShannonKW.


[pic of WTC in flames.jpg]

I was seeing the discourse moving in that direction some time ago. There's a familiar pattern of thought that I could see cropping up. Using Erwin Rommel as an example of heroism probably helped it along.

Americans, and to a lesser extent Brits, appear to have lost the ability to acknowledge virtue in (i.e. to respect) their enemies. To admit some good in an evil man is commonly taken among our people to be an act of making an excuse for his acts, or being an "apologist". Clearly, few in America consider the 9/11 attackers heroic or brave, though I do.

I can't find out who said it, but there was some TV personality who, in the wake of 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan, observed the bare fact that it takes more courage to crash a plane into a building than it does to launch a cruise missile from a position of perfect safety. This truth provoked howls of outrage and he was made to apologize for it, though I couldn't see what the fuss was. Those men were undeniably brave -- braver by far than the pilot of the Enola Gay who killed far more innocents and lived to tell about it. They were admirably brave men, admirably true to their cause, who sacrificed themselves to set in motion a series of events that brought upon their people the white-hot hatred of the greatest military power on Earth and culminated in the conquest of two Muslim nations. None of their enemies could have hurt their cause worse than they themselves did.

If there were a Hell, it might be punishment enough that they be permitted to see the consequences of their acts.

Nevertheless, it was a brave act, and they were brave men to do it. You're right (accidentally -- you were just trying to be a mud-slinging twat, I'm sure) that I admired it. When I saw the WTC attacks I thought it was magnificent, though I couldn't figure out what the hell they were trying to accomplish. I feel about the same way about Pearl Harbor. Among those of us who can still admire the virtues of our enemies, yes, the Bad Guy can still be a hero.
 
2012-11-12 03:27:49 AM
I used to live on California ave and there is only one store I can think of and that's the little corner store owned by a Korean couple. Best kimchi in town stored in little mason jars. Csb.
 
2012-11-12 01:30:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.



Or, it's a lot better to relate the fact that 20 years ago, I would have been stupid enough to jump the guy in a display of studly bravery, risking the lives of those around me on the 1 in 10000 chance the guy was actually likely to shoot, whereas now I have the experience and perspective to understand that the risk is in no way worth it. The irony here is that it takes a lot more "balls" to choose the long view, in the moment when your hormones are tlel you to do something stupid and selfish.

Of course, the adolescent response to this is "haha old dude, you just dont have what it takes, screw your thoughtful perspective, kill 'em all and let god sort them out. If the guy shoots everyone, at least I'll die looking brave"
 
2012-11-12 03:10:50 PM

ISO15693: Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.



Or, it's a lot better to relate the fact that 20 years ago, I would have been stupid enough to jump the guy in a display of studly bravery, risking the lives of those around me on the 1 in 10000 chance the guy was actually likely to shoot, whereas now I have the experience and perspective to understand that the risk is in no way worth it. The irony here is that it takes a lot more "balls" to choose the long view, in the moment when your hormones are tlel you to do something stupid and selfish.

Of course, the adolescent response to this is "haha old dude, you just dont have what it takes, screw your thoughtful perspective, kill 'em all and let god sort them out. If the guy shoots everyone, at least I'll die looking brave"


I agree. What sounds better to you?
40 years later your grandson telling the story: "My grandpa died defending a 7-11" or actually meeting your grandson?
 
2012-11-12 03:19:13 PM

crypticsatellite: Who's to say the f*cker wouldn't have just shot him to avoid any witnesses?

Choose your fights.



Yeah, I know right, its not like 99.9% of convenience stores in our country have surveillance cameras or anything.
 
2012-11-12 04:00:09 PM
My employer pays me a lot more than this guy and there is *nothing* heroic I would do for my employer if my life would be in any way at risk. NOTHING. EVER. I'm sure 99.99% of my fellow employees and shareholders would feel exactly the same way.

My takeaway is that either people who work crap jobs are stupid or they are desperate for a way to distinguish themselves. Because there is no circumstance in which your bosses money is worth any risk of injury to any person, period.

OTOH people who do shiat like this make the world a tiny bit safer for the rest of us. They're stupid for doing it IMHO, but thanks.
 
2012-11-12 04:18:39 PM

D_Evans45: crypticsatellite: Who's to say the f*cker wouldn't have just shot him to avoid any witnesses?

Choose your fights.


Yeah, I know right, its not like 99.9% of convenience stores in our country have surveillance cameras or anything.


So, then who's to say he wouldn't have shot him anyway because he's a deranged person.

Is that better for you?
 
2012-11-12 05:00:28 PM
You can sit here and come up with alternate scenarios all day, fact is dude was a finger twitch from being sprayed all over the wall by a shotgun for next to nothing (contents of a cash register are nowhere near a humans life). He's just lucky enough that the coward holding up the store didnt have the balls or intent to kill anyone in the first place, that is the only reason he is still alive. 99% of the time the deranged person is going to shoot when someone reaches for their gun, he just happened to be facing a midget with no real crime skills.

This headline could have so easily become "Dumbass" tag : Clerk is blown away to discover that trying to pull shotguns from deranged robbers is not a good idea. More at 11." He wouldnt be so valiant then, he'd be the dumbass who got sprayed over the wall for chump change. "What a heroic action! Too bad he died, but what a courageous human being to die and leave a family behind over the contents of a cash register!"

Dont tell me, you also voted for Romney?
 
2012-11-13 08:54:12 PM

ideamaster: The trick is to say those three magic words.


But they're VERY easy to remember.

Klaatu...

... verata...

...

...

...

...
 
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