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(Santa Cruz Sentinel)   In the middle of a robbery, facing a 5'3" guy with a shotgun, store employee thinks to himself, "I can take this guy." And he does   (santacruzsentinel.com) divider line 118
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2012-11-11 06:48:52 PM
"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfarker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."
 
2012-11-11 06:48:53 PM
Does he get to keep the shotgun?
 
2012-11-11 07:01:23 PM
Suppose he just wanted to see if he could get the shotgun? Sure, it's risky, but he'll be dead in 80 years one way or the other.
 
2012-11-11 07:02:45 PM
A business in the 200 block of California Avenue? So the Santa Cruz Market? That's the only business I remember anywhere near there. I had some friends who lived in a rental across the street from the church, between the church and this market. Fun fun times. Ah.... Santa Cruz...

/Go Slugs!
 
2012-11-11 07:07:04 PM
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2012-11-11 07:07:10 PM

Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!


Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now
 
2012-11-11 07:08:59 PM

BigBooper: I LOVE that movie! Give Sam Raimi 100 mil to remake/re-imagine Army of Darkness, and I would pay to watch the hell out of it.


Word, man! So good, those movies. I can't tell you how many hours I've lost to watching the Evil Dead trilogy.

And if Raimi wants to give it a remake, hey, have at 'em!
 
2012-11-11 07:14:39 PM
What's the benefit of leaving witnesses?
 
2012-11-11 07:17:58 PM

OnlyM3: Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".


Yeah, because there are so many chromed shotguns out there, right?
 
2012-11-11 07:20:00 PM

DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now


Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-11-11 07:20:07 PM
Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.
 
2012-11-11 07:22:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".

Yeah, because there are so many chromed shotguns out there, right?


Well it could just have a wood stock... Like pretty much all of the standard 870s and 500s, though they have a synthetic option as we
 
2012-11-11 07:22:43 PM
He had no idea who owned the place.
 
2012-11-11 07:25:24 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


/thread
 
2012-11-11 07:25:53 PM
Of course, a 5'3" attacker with a shotgun, you could just duck while he fires, then jump him when he falls over from the recoil.
 
2012-11-11 07:26:44 PM
Does he get to keep the gun?
 
2012-11-11 07:32:35 PM

pup.socket: Does he get to keep the gun?


Yes, thanks to the landmark legal case of Finders and Keepers v. Losers and Weepers.
 
2012-11-11 07:33:14 PM
All you people saying 'don't fight back, just give him the money'- where do y'all work again? I'm sure there are plenty of criminals who'd love to make an easy score tonight.

/stupidest thing since 'gun free home' signs
 
2012-11-11 07:36:05 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


The word "Hero" has been twisted entirely out of its meaning on Fark. You can see the "Hero" tag slapped on stories of mother dogs nursing kittens and retarded children making it to the bathroom in time. Seldom does it signify actual bravery. On Fark you can't be sure that "Hero" just signifies anything more than "someone the poster approves of or sympathizes with."

One suspects this has something to do with the fact that many farkers are none too familiar with bravery. People who apparently think that bravery is on some kind of light switch to be flipped on or off at the conclusion of a cost/befit analysis can't possibly have had much association with the bold. Perhaps part of the problem is that we assume that to call a man "brave" is to praise him, yet it's quite possible to be both brave and a thick-skinned jackass. Indeed, it seems to help. It may also be that the sort of American who spends much time reading things on the Internet often finds the existence of brave men a bit threatening, or even insulting. After all, when you're accustomed to say that nothing is worth risking a life, "Safety First!", and call 911 and hide someplace safe, the guy who says, "Balls to that!" and handles the business himself suggests that someone could do better than act according to your values, and who the fark does he think he is?
 
2012-11-11 07:40:58 PM

ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


------

Right, because in the long, glorious history of armed robberies, no scumbag has EVER taken the money and then just killed everyone in sight for the fark of it. Armed robbers are always rational and reasonable. They are never drug-addled lunatics.
 
2012-11-11 07:43:58 PM
Grew up just down the street from there, it's a little dive of a neighborhood convenience store.
 
2012-11-11 07:46:51 PM

RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero


Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!
 
2012-11-11 07:49:02 PM

ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.


Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!
 
2012-11-11 07:49:50 PM

greyw1980: [mimg.ugo.com image 480x360]
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Now I gotta be sad all over again, thanks.
 
2012-11-11 07:49:59 PM

Bacontastesgood: redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.

Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc
.


ever see the paycheck for this type of reportage?
Trying to pay of your journalism degree on minimum wage. It doesn't work and after a while, you just don't care. Not every reporter breaks the Watergate story- in fact, most live lives of drunken desperation.
 
2012-11-11 07:51:18 PM
If they don't include it, he's non-white.
 
2012-11-11 07:52:34 PM

Marcintosh: Bacontastesgood: redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.

Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc.

ever see the paycheck for this type of reportage?
Trying to pay of your journalism degree on minimum wage. It doesn't work and after a while, you just don't care. Not every reporter breaks the Watergate story- in fact, most live lives of drunken desperation.


I know a few people who work for the local papers. They definitely make more than minimum wage, but it's definitely not bucketfuls of cash.
 
2012-11-11 07:53:29 PM

StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg


Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg
 
2012-11-11 07:53:49 PM

Felgraf: "Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfarker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad."


Snow Crash FTW
 
2012-11-11 08:04:31 PM
havana_joe
Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!

Citizen! Enlist today in the War to Slightly Pad Your Boss's Profit Margin! Some of you (and some bystanders) may die, but it will be worth it, because your boss may get a bonus at the end of the year for having a slightly lower loss rate! And you will be fired for violating policy.

Nice throwing in some misogyny there btw.
 
2012-11-11 08:13:35 PM

havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!


It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.
 
2012-11-11 08:20:52 PM

soundguy: ISO15693:.

Right, because in the long, glorious history of armed robberies, no scumbag has EVER taken the money and then just killed everyone in sight for the fark of it. Armed robbers are always rational and reasonable. They are never drug-addled lunatics.



The rate of robbers who resort to murder AFTER the fact must be small enough as to be insignificant. Most get their shiat and get the hell out of there.

If you are defending these "heroic" actions, you are pretty stupid. There is nothing in a store cash register worth your life, especially if you're a minimum wage peon, and if you believe otherwise you are a complete idiot. I had a neighbor years back with a severe limp because he attempted to chase down some kid who stole a case of beer in front him, and didnt see the car coming in his rush into the parking lot.

He threw away his mobility, his actual ability in life to move, to have sex properly, to run around with his children, to escape in a real emergency, to move at a speed faster than "ambling", etc. for a $10-$15 case of piss beer. I have a slight feeling it was part of the reason he was such a bitter drunk. I wanted to ask him, why? Did you feel like you were making a stand against crime? Some kind of statement for justice? It's $10 from a chain store that loses twice that in shipping errors every day.

Give the irrational idiot whatever he wants to get the armed lunatic out of your vicinity. Your family wants their mom/dad to come home.
 
2012-11-11 08:27:07 PM

D_Evans45: to have sex properly


What's that?
 
2012-11-11 08:29:44 PM

StoPPeRmobile: D_Evans45: to have sex properly

What's that?


It involves drilling her like a jackhammer for two minutes then going outside for a smoke.
 
2012-11-11 08:37:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!

It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.


My bad! I'd put aging ovaries over young balls any day of the week! lol
 
2012-11-11 08:41:18 PM

havana_joe: Gyrfalcon: havana_joe: ISO15693: Subby... if the man is actually shooting people, and you subdue him, that's being a hero. If you escalate a situtation like this, by attacking the guy with the weapon - that's just stupidity. You are essentially risking your life, and the life of everyone around you, to try and grab some glory. Thats the ultimate in selfish.

Oh, STFU and grow a pair. The world would be a better place if more people had some balls now and then!

It's a lot better to deride people for having the nuts to occasionally take a chance you won't take for yourself, than to try to protect your life and property.

I would hardly recommend jumping just anyone with a shotgun; but if I saw an opportunity and thought I could exploit it, I'd take it. And I don't even have balls, just a couple of aging ovaries.

My bad! I'd put aging ovaries over young balls any day of the week! lol


I try to, whenever I can find them.
 
2012-11-11 08:44:18 PM

Hector Remarkable: redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.

Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.


Dude, pass it before it goes out....
 
2012-11-11 09:06:08 PM

DownDaRiver: StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg

Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg


Yeah, that's the ticket!

jonlovitzastheliar.jpg
 
2012-11-11 09:38:09 PM

Tanthalas39: DownDaRiver: StoPPeRmobile: DownDaRiver: Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

Fark 2008 called
They said to keep the meme
Wasn't funny then
Isn't funny now

Says the guy with a 2 year old account.

welcometofark.jpg

Says the person who probably never thought that maybe people have been around for awhile and changed over the years.

bushgivesfinger.jpg

Yeah, that's the ticket!

jonlovitzastheliar.jpg


i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 09:49:50 PM

RanDomino: havana_joe
Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!

Citizen! Enlist today in the War to Slightly Pad Your Boss's Profit Margin! Some of you (and some bystanders) may die, but it will be worth it, because your boss may get a bonus at the end of the year for having a slightly lower loss rate! And you will be fired for violating policy.

Nice throwing in some misogyny there btw.



Unfair to throw the bosses/owners under the bus in this issue. They're generally unequivocal about their desire to see employees do the smart thing and just hand over the cash and minimize the risk of injury.

This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:24 PM

havana_joe: RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero

Maybe the world would be a better place if more people would "man up" once in awhile. This guy is a hero!


The reason there aren't more people like that in the world today is they all died doing shiat like this.
 
2012-11-11 10:13:55 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


I can't say I'd blame them. He's obviously an idiot. Who risks their life for a convenience store?

Rescuing people from a disaster is heroic. Standing up to a convenience store robber is just dumb. Give him the $200 in the cash register, call the police, and let them find the crook.
 
2012-11-11 10:41:01 PM

technicolor-misfit: Unfair to throw the bosses/owners under the bus in this issue. They're generally unequivocal about their desire to see employees do the smart thing and just hand over the cash and minimize the risk of injury.

This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.


vs those who talk shiat about how calm and rational they'd be when some asshat shoved a shotgun in their face. Not like that stupid clerk who must have watched all those B-grade action movies.
 
2012-11-11 10:41:08 PM

crypticsatellite: And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.


active participation in a gunfight voids most insurance
 
2012-11-11 10:57:39 PM

technicolor-misfit: This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.


No, it isn't. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that he himself would be a badass in this situation. Some of us admire the act, and some of us feel the need to point out that it was was irrational, which has fark-all to do with being brave or heroic. Heroes generally are irrational. There was nothing on the heights of Normandy that was worth the lives of those who got themselves blown to bits trying to take it.

If there is anyone who looks like they have something to prove, it is those who, like you, are eager to respond to an act of bravery by saying, "...yeah, but he shouldn't have done it." The impulse to point out a man's faults when you hear of his virtues often comes from a bad place, and it makes you look bad.

Irrational bravery often makes the world a better place, and we admire it because it is a manifest recognition that there are things more important than your own life or safety. Sometimes those things are as insubstantial as an ideal. Take your human dignity for example. Some of us would submit to rape rather than die. Others of us would sooner die or risk death fighting off an armed rapist rather than be degraded in than fashion. The latter course is clearly irrational -- it is not worth your life to keep a penis out of your butt. Nevertheless, we admire and respect them that take the irrational option, and most of us are modest enough to admit that we don't know how we would act should we be confronted with the dire choice, though we hope we would be brave enough to be irrational.

Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug enriches himself at the expense of the law-abiding would be a bad feeling to a lot of us, like watching civilization take a wad of spit to the face. To venture a guess at the motives in this case, I doubt it was the money that mattered, nor a desire to protect the owner from loss. It was probably a matter of being too proud to allow a degenerate robber to walk over him, even though letting it happen would have been the rational thing to do. I salute this.
 
2012-11-11 11:04:38 PM

ShannonKW: technicolor-misfit: This isn't about bosses vs. peons. This is about insecure people who buy into some some lameass B-grade action movie version of honor and courage vs. people who don't feel the need to prove something by talking shiat on the internet about what badasses they'd be if anyone tried something while they were on the scene.

No, it isn't. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that he himself would be a badass in this situation. Some of us admire the act, and some of us feel the need to point out that it was was irrational, which has fark-all to do with being brave or heroic. Heroes generally are irrational. There was nothing on the heights of Normandy that was worth the lives of those who got themselves blown to bits trying to take it.

If there is anyone who looks like they have something to prove, it is those who, like you, are eager to respond to an act of bravery by saying, "...yeah, but he shouldn't have done it." The impulse to point out a man's faults when you hear of his virtues often comes from a bad place, and it makes you look bad.

Irrational bravery often makes the world a better place, and we admire it because it is a manifest recognition that there are things more important than your own life or safety. Sometimes those things are as insubstantial as an ideal. Take your human dignity for example. Some of us would submit to rape rather than die. Others of us would sooner die or risk death fighting off an armed rapist rather than be degraded in than fashion. The latter course is clearly irrational -- it is not worth your life to keep a penis out of your butt. Nevertheless, we admire and respect them that take the irrational option, and most of us are modest enough to admit that we don't know how we would act should we be confronted with the dire choice, though we hope we would be brave enough to be irrational.

Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug ...


Okay, now let's say this hero has a wife and kids he's providing for...
 
2012-11-11 11:15:03 PM
www.whogottherole.com 

Freeze, you diseased rhinocerous pizzle!
 
2012-11-11 11:16:17 PM

redmid17: The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.


I've heard similar stories from other friends. Although the evidence is anecdotal, I think it's enough reason to be skeptical of anything that you read in the news.
 
2012-11-11 11:19:13 PM

ShannonKW:
Thievery is a lesser affront to human dignity than rape, but it still rankles. To stand by passively while some thug ...


Heroes are typically people who risk their own lives for the lives of others
My life for yours.
They are being selfless to preserve another (usually innocent) person

Heroes are not people who risk their own lives for something that has very little value.
My life for your iphone.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:27 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.


The trick is to say those three magic words.
 
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