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(Santa Cruz Sentinel)   In the middle of a robbery, facing a 5'3" guy with a shotgun, store employee thinks to himself, "I can take this guy." And he does   (santacruzsentinel.com) divider line 118
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2012-11-11 02:41:46 PM
And then watch as the employee gets fired for standing up to the robber.
 
2012-11-11 04:30:20 PM
He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.
 
2012-11-11 05:29:43 PM
A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?
 
2012-11-11 05:52:11 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


What else are you supposed to wear over your bandana?
 
2012-11-11 05:52:47 PM

CruiserTwelve:
Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Yeah, they had no problems with: "They learned that the man was holding a black, full-sized pump shotgun". Why is it ok to be racist towards shotguns?!?
 
2012-11-11 05:53:37 PM
FTFA: Police ask anyone who sees someone matching the description to call 9-1-1.

I saw that guy and tried to call but I couldn't find the hyphen key on the dialer.
 
2012-11-11 05:55:32 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


lh4.ggpht.com
 
2012-11-11 05:56:32 PM
no race description, so we're assuming the man is an african american
 
2012-11-11 05:56:47 PM
I might take my chances against a small handgun or a knife depending on the situation, but not with a shotgun. Fark that, that's what insurance money is for.
 
2012-11-11 05:57:34 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


Most people that live in cold climates?
 
2012-11-11 05:57:50 PM
This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
 
2012-11-11 06:01:03 PM

Indolent: A blue beanie? Who the hell wears beanies these days?


Everyone?
 
2012-11-11 06:02:41 PM
If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.
 
2012-11-11 06:03:38 PM

CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.
 
2012-11-11 06:04:22 PM
5'-3"? Yosemite Sam must have got paroled.
 
2012-11-11 06:05:05 PM
Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.
 
2012-11-11 06:05:09 PM
Congratulations low wage earning savior of the cash register. Here is your Brad Hamilton award

i25.tinypic.com

You kicked 100% of his arse!
 
2012-11-11 06:06:20 PM

Apos: This would-be robber hoped for an easy score-and, surprisingly.....



*dons sunglasses*


.....came up quite short.

/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!


Horatio does NOT "don" sunglasses. Period.
 
2012-11-11 06:06:43 PM
Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!
 
2012-11-11 06:06:56 PM
Wanted for questioning?

media.washtimes.com
 
2012-11-11 06:07:27 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.
 
2012-11-11 06:07:30 PM

Captain Darling: CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.


Or it's just that obvious.
 
2012-11-11 06:08:09 PM
There are 2 sides to this as with every story.
A). The guy could perish and have his family sue for millions to save a hundred or maybe a thousand dollars that the business will just make an insurance claim on or eat the cost of the deductible?
B). The guy did a ninja backflip kick, disarming the would-be theft's AK-47 while "Saving The Infant Child!*"

*(twitter was involved...more at 11)

Which one is more likely and/or should happen.

/petty thieves are jackasses
//people who have knee-jerk reactions (hero tags) are borderline the same
 
2012-11-11 06:08:26 PM
What was robbed, a 7-Eleven, a warehouse full of gold ?
 
2012-11-11 06:08:28 PM
Just remember when facing a shotgun wielding robber the difference between hero and wall smear is a few pounds trigger pull...
 
2012-11-11 06:08:44 PM
"He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Police ask anyone who sees someone matching the description to call 9-1-1."

So... you want our help finding the guy... but his ethnicity is a secret? Really?
 
2012-11-11 06:09:48 PM

Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.


What have you got against surfers and vampires?
 
2012-11-11 06:11:07 PM
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Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.
 
2012-11-11 06:11:09 PM

Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?


He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.
 
2012-11-11 06:11:31 PM
Possible Update: Rumor is (In santa cruz)... hes was a Hispanic gang banger. Not black.

At least it wasn't another random homeless guy stabbing someone to death for no reason (other then mental disorder).
 
2012-11-11 06:14:20 PM
 
2012-11-11 06:16:05 PM
Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero
 
2012-11-11 06:17:43 PM

redmid17: No idea. When I got mugged by three Hispanic gentlemen, the police took down the entire story. The newspaper called me a few days later for my comment, but I passed except to confirm some details about the story. They then printed the story from the police report, except they got the crime wrong, omitted the race, and misreported what was stolen and how they approached me. I'd guess incompetence to be honest.


Every interaction I've had with reporters has led me to wonder how such dumb, ignorant, totally incapable people live from day to day. I mean, you'd expect them to accidentally put gas in the back seat of their car or something, then light up a celebratory cigarette. Or forget how to inhale air, walk out of a 10th story window, cut their hand off while preparing a meal, etc.
 
2012-11-11 06:20:06 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


Came to say this, too. They also forgot color of hair, eyes, and anything else that could help discern what he looks like. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of 5'3" males in their 20s in a five-mile radius.

An indie filmmaker was looking for the part of his father for a new movie, and specified white male in his 50s. Overnight, he had hundreds of comments about how sexist and racist he was. People really are that dumb. But the news shouldn't omit facts out of fear of jumping to stupid conclusions.
 
2012-11-11 06:21:30 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


This, just give him the money. It's pretty simple.
Having the business lose $1000, or a hole in your chest.

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


I wonder if rather than being afraid of printing it, they just assumed the person's race and didn't print it.
Even with no race mentioned, there are already race comments.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:05 PM

RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero


Firsy, many Santa Cruz bussnisses have a profit sharing model for their employees.

Second, most places I've worked in town (S.C) I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients. Most people I've worked with feel the same. We just have a smaller tighter knit community is Santa Cruz. We may be a liberal town but over half my friends own guns and won't put up with 1 oz of BS.

/and yes, we surf too.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:26 PM

redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.


Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.
 
2012-11-11 06:23:47 PM
Wow thanks mr reporter. I couldn't have slept tonight if I wasn't' told it was a "black shotgun".
 
2012-11-11 06:24:27 PM

Hector Remarkable: redmid17: Mad Mark: Hector Remarkable: If more surfers carried guns there'd be much less crime in Santa Cruz. And the more silver bullets, the less vampires. One thing I never could stand about the place.

What have you got against surfers and vampires?

He doesn't like that they don't carry guns very often.

Look, surfing vampires are a problem. And now, if we've got vampires, surfing at us, shooting at us, what chance do we have? What chance, I ask you, do we have against vampires riding the waves when they're shooting back at us? The whole place is out of control. Lots of vampires. Lots of surfers. Lots of shooting. This guy clearly only escaped because he was a surfing vampire, and he's out there now, with a shotgun, surfing around Monterrey Bay, by the moonlight, shooting off his shotgun, and drinking the blood of innocent Californian boaters. And I say that's very, very wrong.


It's not, not not wrong. That is for sure
 
2012-11-11 06:24:58 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


The store has a policy against it primarily to cover their own ass (they don't have to pay for your funeral and can't be sued by your family). But if you're on your own, frankly whether something is worth the risk to your own life is your call.

//What difference does having other people in the room have to do with it? You've watched too many movies, man, short of there being a world's fair-sized crowd in every direction the danger to bystanders isn't particularly large, especially with a shotgun (which won't do things like go through walls, really).
 
2012-11-11 06:25:13 PM
Zontos
I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients.

That's stupid. They weren't taking your job.
 
2012-11-11 06:25:52 PM

TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.


Especially if your a minimum wage worker bee. Why risk your life for a few bucks that your employer will recover from his insurance company. It's just not worth it to die or get seriously injured for the boss man. A friend of mine has been working three times when his employer was robbed at gun point. He's smart, he just handed the money over like he was trained to do. The last time was when he was working at a casino. Things went bad when the cops showed up, and there was a shoot out in the parking lot. Luckily, the bad guys were right out of GI Joe (or A-Team), and emptied their guns without hitting anything. The cops on the other hand wounded both would be robbers.

I can't imagine what it feels like to have the cops shooting it out in your parking lot as your diving for cover inside. Oh, and apparently Milwaukee sucks if your the working poor.
 
2012-11-11 06:26:48 PM
Hopefully dude gets enough hours for obamacare.
 
2012-11-11 06:27:00 PM

Jim_Callahan: TorqueToad: Seems like in most cases if the person has a gun and you don't, unless they are there to KILL you, if they just want money, let them freakin' have it. Is your life (or anyone else's who might be caught in the crossfire) worth whatever they were planning on stealing?

Not sure if this guy is a hero. Especially if other people were in the room.

The store has a policy against it primarily to cover their own ass (they don't have to pay for your funeral and can't be sued by your family). But if you're on your own, frankly whether something is worth the risk to your own life is your call.

//What difference does having other people in the room have to do with it? You've watched too many movies, man, short of there being a world's fair-sized crowd in every direction the danger to bystanders isn't particularly large, especially with a shotgun (which won't do things like go through walls, really).


Shotgun pellets leaving a barrel at 1200 FPS (at a minimum) are going to ricochet. Also seriously? Two people struggling over a gun could easily hurt someone else if the trigger gets pulled.
 
2012-11-11 06:34:05 PM

Zontos: RanDomino: Risking your life to save your boss's profit margin = hero

Firsy, many Santa Cruz bussnisses have a profit sharing model for their employees.

Second, most places I've worked in town (S.C) I was willing to fight for my job from thieves/transients. Most people I've worked with feel the same. We just have a smaller tighter knit community is Santa Cruz. We may be a liberal town but over half my friends own guns and won't put up with 1 oz of BS.

/and yes, we surf too.


Check out the real-life internet tough guy, a/k/a 'Pussy Hands'
 
2012-11-11 06:34:59 PM

Captain Darling: CruiserTwelve: Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

Or they don't want to deal with a deluge of racist comments that are inevitable any time a suspect's race is mentioned and it isn't white.


Doesn't work, though. The people who need to talk about it bring it up anyway.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:54 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img651.imageshack.us image 480x256]

Naturally, he had to ask the robber to leave the store.


I LOVE that movie! Give Sam Raimi 100 mil to remake/re-imagine Army of Darkness, and I would pay to watch the hell out of it.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:55 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


They're not afraid. They only mention it if he's black. Read into that what you will.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:58 PM

CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.


If they don't include it, he's white.
 
2012-11-11 06:44:55 PM

IlGreven: CruiserTwelve: He was described as a short man in his 20s about 5 feet, 3 inches tall. He wore a blue beanie, grey hooded sweatshirt, white socks, a black patterned bandana, black gloves, pants, and slip-on shoes.

Why is the press afraid to report a suspect's race? It's the most visible aspect of a person's physical description, but they rarely include it. I'm guessing their afraid they'll look racist.

If they don't include it, he's white.


The guy was Hispanic but thanks for playing. Link is up thread somewhere
 
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