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(Politicus USA)   The WeSaySo Corporation reminds Governor Christie of their motto   (politicususa.com) divider line 36
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2012-11-11 02:47:45 PM  
6 votes:

Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?


I would believe the updated "Red Dawn" premise more if the North Koreans were aided by the Koch Brothers.
2012-11-11 02:43:18 PM  
4 votes:
These people really hate democracy, don't they?
2012-11-11 06:51:19 PM  
3 votes:
Chris Christie's loyalty is to himself before anyone else. Republicans need to he careful who they're messing with here.

This guy was only elected in New Jersey because the Deomcratic boss in the south of the state supporter him.

/convientantly, that same boss happens to own charter schools!
2012-11-11 05:12:26 PM  
3 votes:
Christie should inform them he intends to take a principled stand supporting the rule of law, and ask the NJ AG to investigate whether these shenanigans violate state or Federal law.
2012-11-11 08:52:52 PM  
2 votes:

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for
2012-11-11 07:40:09 PM  
2 votes:
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Obama: Don't you love your country?
Christie: Yes, sir.
Obama: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Christie: Yes, sir.
2012-11-11 06:46:59 PM  
2 votes:
So... the Kochs are mad that Christie isn't taking a "conservative" approach?

The ACA passed, and it won't be repealed. That's a fact.

States have two options under the ACA.
1. Set up a health insurance exchange at the state level. This lets governors work with the insurance companies within their own borders, and if they think their state has a special need fo some kind, they can make sure it's accounted for. Since conservatives champion states' rights, this seems like the smartest thing a Republican governor can do.
2. Allow the US government to set up a federal exchange within your state. It will no longer account for your state's perceived individual needs, and won't specifically work with the businesses operating within your borders. This is what the Kochs and their supporters shouldn't want.

So given those choices... #1 is the conservative approach. #2 is the liberal approach. The other governors (Jindal, Perry, etc.) are choosing invisible option #3 - pretend the ACA never passed. That's not liberal or conservative - it's regressive.

As with their other policies, the GOP sponsors are attempting to make time move in reverse. They're just dying to party like it's 1999.
2012-11-11 06:41:54 PM  
2 votes:

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


No. His golden boy status took a big hit during Sandy, and he is not Hispanic. He might run and be in the primary, but the powers that be will surely nominate someone that they think will pull the Hispanics because they honestly believe that will solve all of their problems.
2012-11-11 05:41:08 PM  
2 votes:
Good luck with that, Koch brothers.

/if they primary Christie, expect a Democrat to become the next governor.
2012-11-11 04:41:01 PM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.


Both knees.
2012-11-11 04:39:34 PM  
2 votes:
The New Jersey chapter of Americans for Prosperity sent out a press release Thursday questioning Governor Christie's obedience to the Koch Brothers and encouraged him to accept the "burden on the states to thwart" the ACA because after Republicans lost the election, "Congress will not be able to repeal the law." The press release cited "other conservative governors across the country like Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, and others have already taken a principled stand,"

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2012-11-11 04:37:21 PM  
2 votes:
Apparently duly elected officials shouldn't carry out the letter of the law. Who knew?
2012-11-11 03:03:07 PM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?


Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.
2012-11-11 02:49:53 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Oh yeah. The Koch brudders are very buttmad about last Tuesday all right.


good,
2012-11-12 12:12:12 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: What's been utterly bizarre this time around is how many millions of dollars people are spending to keep from paying hundreds of dollars in taxes.


It's all about the short-term mindset with these people. Think about their actions, and evaluate their endgame. They are trying to squeeze every cent out of the lower classes. But those lower classes barely have a pot to piss in.

If they really wanted to increase their fortune and standing, they would want to inflate the lower classes as much as possible. It's easier to squeeze juice from a grapefruit than from a raisin.
2012-11-11 11:01:05 PM  
1 votes:
It's amazing to me how many millions of dollars someone will spend to keep from paying thousands in taxes.
2012-11-11 10:02:02 PM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old.


Agreed on both points.

Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.

Ah, hell nah! She couldn't even get off her ass to fight for Uncle Teddy's place.

The last two Democrats to win the White House came out of left field, and were virtual unknowns before vaulting to prominence in early caucuses and primaries. I think it's going to be Cuomo, but am willing to consider other viewpoints.
2012-11-11 09:51:24 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?


That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.
2012-11-11 09:27:37 PM  
1 votes:
Christie should take a principled stand on the koch brothers' necks for that.
2012-11-11 09:00:07 PM  
1 votes:
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He'll get gastric bypass soon and he'll beat his "fightin' weight" by 2016
2012-11-11 08:45:11 PM  
1 votes:
The Affordable Care Act was hotly contested after it passed both houses of Congress and President Obama's signature making it a legitimate law, and after it was upheld in the Supreme Court, one thought Republicans would finally accept that it cleared every legal challenge and begin implementing provisions at the state level to help 20-30 million Americans get access to affordable health care. One of the mainstays of Willard Romney's campaign was his promise to repeal the ACA on his first day in office that not only displayed his ignorance of the repeal process, but also his lack of concern that millions of Americans would once again be at the mercy of the predatory health insurance industry and suffer from lack of healthcare. However, Romney's defeat was not the end of the battle over the ACA and, as expected, Republican governors are doing the bidding of the Koch Brothers to frustrate the health law's implementation.

Your bloviating isn't internally consistent.
2012-11-11 08:39:57 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: The New Jersey chapter of Americans for Prosperity sent out a press release Thursday questioning Governor Christie's obedience to the Koch Brothers and encouraged him to accept the "burden on the states to thwart" the ACA...

And, that, right there, is the problem. Thanks to Citizens United, what used to be rumored or implicit is now crowed and explicit - rich people believe, honestly believe, that they own the American government, from the White House on down, and that they run the show. Sure, we've cracked wise about it over the last 30 years or so, but blatant claims like this really drive home the fact that you, the vast majority of the American public, just don't matter.
2012-11-11 08:18:37 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


While it's true that people like the Koch Bros consider it a matter of "write the check - get the results", they must have gotten an inkling from this past week that it doesn't work that way anymore. If they didn't, they get it next time they lose.

The reason is simple: there aren't enough "useful fools" to get their minions elected, and unlike in the corporate world they can't bully, cajole and borrow proxy votes until they get their way. Moreover, the folks who are voting Dem by and large wouldn't vote for a Republican for any ANY position, or at least not after it came out the pol was doing the Koch Bros' bidding. In the internet age voters are increasingly immune to the Koch Bros of the world. After all, at the individual level it's just a check mark on a piece of paper. It may take another election or two for the lesson to sink in, but that old model of how to win an election is busted.
2012-11-11 07:58:54 PM  
1 votes:

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


Blue Team absorbs more and more of the leavings (moderates), and then when Tea Party finally turns off the lights on their empty room, the former "Democrat Party" will fracture. Last time a party did that, it was the "democratic-republicans" (at that time opposed to the federalist party) and we know what they produced.
2012-11-11 07:45:42 PM  
1 votes:
Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?
2012-11-11 07:44:43 PM  
1 votes:
Funny. I was discussing Christie last night with a long distance friend. I told my friend Christie would either end up running the GOP, in 3 to 4 years, or he would be a Dem. I would think the GOP would love to keep him.

I doubt they're smart enough to realize it, and will push him out.
2012-11-11 07:04:34 PM  
1 votes:
Damn I love love to see Christie call a press conference, reveal this publicly and remind these douchebags that just becasue they're rich, they don't make public policy. Hell, I might even vote for him.
2012-11-11 06:41:36 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah but couldn't Chris Christie just eat them, and then be all like, 'Oh, no, I don't know where they went..(burp)..."?
2012-11-11 06:40:19 PM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: Good luck with that, Koch brothers.

/if they primary Christie, expect a Democrat to become the next governor.


If they primary Christie, he says, "You can have the GOP nom", and goes independent/Libertarian.
2012-11-11 06:39:44 PM  
1 votes:
I really don't like the guy, but the Koch brothers must be insane to do this. Gov. Christie does not react well to being told what to do.
2012-11-11 06:30:13 PM  
1 votes:
The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.
2012-11-11 05:35:59 PM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.


QFT - Also at this point the GOP is too fractured to be owned - even by the Koch heads. 2016 primaries are going to be brutal.
2012-11-11 05:08:55 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.
2012-11-11 03:10:08 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?

Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.


I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.
2012-11-11 02:59:30 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Actually, this has probably boosted his overall cred. Harder to get momentum early but lots of overall support.
2012-11-11 02:42:00 PM  
1 votes:
So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.
 
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