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2012-11-11 09:27:37 PM  
Christie should take a principled stand on the koch brothers' necks for that.
 
2012-11-11 09:31:22 PM  

Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?


Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?
 
2012-11-11 09:39:53 PM  

simplicimus: Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?

Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?


Okay, I see a little damnation by faint praise...and the fact that you missed FDR, but joking aside, who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?
 
2012-11-11 09:51:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?


That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.
 
2012-11-11 09:52:37 PM  

Stone Meadow: simplicimus: Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?

Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?

Okay, I see a little damnation by faint praise...and the fact that you missed FDR, but joking aside, who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?


Sorry, forgot about FDR. As far as the DNC, darned if I know. They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old. Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.
 
2012-11-11 09:57:34 PM  
The Koch brothers bought and paid for the GOP and want their money's worth.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:18 PM  

Bucky Katt: The Koch brothers bought and paid for the GOP and want their money's worth.


Their ROI hasn't worked well for them.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:39 PM  

Aarontology: Bloody William: Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?

Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.

I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.


One knee? Blow jobs are easier on both knees.
 
2012-11-11 10:02:02 PM  

simplicimus: They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old.


Agreed on both points.

Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.

Ah, hell nah! She couldn't even get off her ass to fight for Uncle Teddy's place.

The last two Democrats to win the White House came out of left field, and were virtual unknowns before vaulting to prominence in early caucuses and primaries. I think it's going to be Cuomo, but am willing to consider other viewpoints.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:40 PM  

simplicimus: oryx: Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?

They have a song Link


And this.
 
2012-11-11 10:19:38 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: simplicimus: oryx: Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?

They have a song Link

And this.


Good find.
 
2012-11-11 10:30:45 PM  

Stone Meadow: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

While it's true that people like the Koch Bros consider it a matter of "write the check - get the results", they must have gotten an inkling from this past week that it doesn't work that way anymore. If they didn't, they get it next time they lose.

The reason is simple: there aren't enough "useful fools" to get their minions elected, and unlike in the corporate world they can't bully, cajole and borrow proxy votes until they get their way. Moreover, the folks who are voting Dem by and large wouldn't vote for a Republican for any ANY position, or at least not after it came out the pol was doing the Koch Bros' bidding. In the internet age voters are increasingly immune to the Koch Bros of the world. After all, at the individual level it's just a check mark on a piece of paper. It may take another election or two for the lesson to sink in, but that old model of how to win an election is busted.


Well... there are lots of old models.

Before Obama, Republicans were historically the best at Getting Out The Vote. Especially for midterm elections, where they had/have an advantage of supporters who tend to give more of a damn (and who can be "bookmarked" to make sure they're also targeted in Presidential Election Years):

sas-origin.onstreammedia.com

This is just a hypothesis on my part, but I believe you *can* throw a bunch of money - intelligently throw a bunch of money toward an election and have a decent effect, if the race is sufficiently close. If it isn't, then money won't solve anything. And with changing demographics, unless the GOP starts to see the goddamn light, you're right - it'll get to the point where money won't be enough.

That wasn't true in this election necessarily. The stupid huge amount of money simply wasn't spent where it needed to be - it was spent where it was easy to spend it.

Ads, mailers, etc., will have an effect to some degree - I doubt robocalls have any effect at all other than spreading disinformation but I guess they must have some if people keep buying them -

- but the most effective* way of persuading and encouraging voters is a combination of one on one interactions (in person over phone), and then get out the vote - while having someone go down to the damn clerk's offices and strike off voters who have already turned in their ballots. Divert those resources elsewhere. If a volunteer shows up to your office, have an accurate walk list ready for them. Spend money to make sure you have the best voter data you can buy to start with, then volunteers on the ground can amend the rest far, far before election day. Have the motherf--king tech available so poll watchers (pay them to be everywhere, you've got the money) can strike off early voters while callers follow up to make sure unlikely voters who are still your supporters get their ass to the polls.

IF the election is close, there will always be young kids looking to network and a good line on their resume, there will always be pissed off old people who can make sure their neighbors in their small town turn out for the polls... you can find people to do the very much needed legwork. You pay more of those young college kids, hell, you'll get an incredible amount of work out of whatever tiny sum you're paying.

But ignoring that very very integral part of an election, or doing it half-assedly because your "internal polls" are giving you "incredibly stupid confidence", then you're screwed. You can throw money at that problem and fix it, but you have to start early and the campaign you're throwing money at has to be honest enough to objectively look at the numbers - or if not, not be stupid enough to publically and privately assume everything is going to be fine without coordinating the best goddamn Get Out The Vote campaign the APPARENTLY EASILY AVAILABLE money can buy.

Yeah, if you're throwing your money toward a Super PAC you can't coordinate with the campaign (ha). But you can figure out where campaign offices are, and set up your shop one town over. If you have door knockers (paid or not) out, they *will* run into the candidate's campaign - mark those locations, move for the time being, follow up with them after a few weeks have passed. Teach people how to effectively communicate (spend money on market research for messaging if you want) to sway those undecided voters who see this dedicated person knocking on their door.

Have that down. Add unlimited money for the logistics, tech, to strategically start paying trusted volunteers as the election gets closer and closer. You have it.

Unless you're Karl Rove, then, well, you don't.

* I'm too damn tired to find a cite on this apparently, if I'm (factually) wrong let me know
 
2012-11-11 10:33:57 PM  

quatchi: Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?

That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.


... we have a week less than 4 years. No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC. It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.
 
2012-11-11 10:40:14 PM  

quatchi: Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?

That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.


typo or clever wordplay?
 
2012-11-11 10:46:59 PM  

Atheist Vuvuzela Marching Band: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 422x599]


Came for a B.P. Richfield... leaving satisfied.
 
2012-11-11 10:54:21 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ... we have a week less than 4 years.


So... too soon yer saying?

No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC.

A lot of people were stoked over Obama because of the speech he knocked it out of the park at the 2004 DNC but after the initial enthusiasm the conventional wisdom, that Obama himself even expressed at one point, was that a run in '08 for him was a stretch because of Hillary's "inevitability" factor.

It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.

Surmising for 2016 has only just begun.

Assuming Mittens won't take another crack at it the GOP will run Jeb Bush, Rick Santorum, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Assuming Hillary and Biden won't run the Dems will run Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kathleen Sebelius and Elizabeth Warren.

Just riffin', ya understand.
 
2012-11-11 10:55:06 PM  

winterbraid: typo or clever wordplay?


Typo. I'm not that clever.
 
2012-11-11 10:56:41 PM  
Maybe Deval Patrick as well.
 
2012-11-11 11:00:03 PM  

quatchi: StreetlightInTheGhetto: ... we have a week less than 4 years.

So... too soon yer saying?

No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC.

A lot of people were stoked over Obama because of the speech he knocked it out of the park at the 2004 DNC but after the initial enthusiasm the conventional wisdom, that Obama himself even expressed at one point, was that a run in '08 for him was a stretch because of Hillary's "inevitability" factor.

It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.

Surmising for 2016 has only just begun.

Assuming Mittens won't take another crack at it the GOP will run Jeb Bush, Rick Santorum, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Assuming Hillary and Biden won't run the Dems will run Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kathleen Sebelius and Elizabeth Warren.

Just riffin', ya understand.


Cory Booker may have a shot. Proven record as mayor of Newark and the media loves him.
 
2012-11-11 11:01:05 PM  
It's amazing to me how many millions of dollars someone will spend to keep from paying thousands in taxes.
 
2012-11-11 11:55:37 PM  

propasaurus: It's amazing to me how many millions of dollars someone will spend to keep from paying thousands in taxes.


What's been utterly bizarre this time around is how many millions of dollars people are spending to keep from paying hundreds of dollars in taxes.
 
2012-11-12 12:12:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What's been utterly bizarre this time around is how many millions of dollars people are spending to keep from paying hundreds of dollars in taxes.


It's all about the short-term mindset with these people. Think about their actions, and evaluate their endgame. They are trying to squeeze every cent out of the lower classes. But those lower classes barely have a pot to piss in.

If they really wanted to increase their fortune and standing, they would want to inflate the lower classes as much as possible. It's easier to squeeze juice from a grapefruit than from a raisin.
 
2012-11-12 01:26:11 AM  

Kuoxasar: Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.

I disagree. Christie is certainly abrasive but he's not a partisan. People who aren't pussies will recognize his nonpartisan ideals and the care he has for his state and they will vote for him. I'm not a Christie booster (like I said I did not vote for him first go-around) but so far he really is a breath of fresh air. He just doesn't bullshiat... I don't endorse all of his ideas but I know if I ever talked to him that, at the very least, we would be talking about what's best for New Jersey. He has intellectual integrity and you can't say that for 80% of politicians.


The abrasive guy is better served as a VP contender than the President. That's why Biden works so well.
 
2012-11-12 03:54:38 AM  

quatchi: Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.

Both knees.


i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 04:40:16 AM  

quatchi: Maybe Deval Patrick as well.


Castro (either one) probably deserves to be there as well, from a charisma standpoint if nothing else.
 
2012-11-12 07:44:04 AM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.


And "The Handmaid's Tale" a handbook.
 
2012-11-12 07:45:59 AM  
And for the record, Christie already vetoed the law setting up the state exchange in New Jersey. That is supposed to be set up by November 26th, or the Federal government will set one up instead.
 
2012-11-12 08:11:46 AM  

Miss Stein: quatchi: Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.

Both knees.

[i759.photobucket.com image 469x704]


I think you've got the positions reversed there....
 
2012-11-12 08:32:02 AM  

simplicimus: Sorry, forgot about FDR. As far as the DNC, darned if I know. They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old. Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.


Alan Grayson
 
2012-11-13 07:06:13 AM  
Bullets to the heads of Charles and David Koch, and Grover Norquist would be a great start.These people aren't Americans anyway.
 
2012-11-13 07:08:07 AM  

Giltric: I wonder how the author with his constitutional edict this and constitutional edict that feels about the words........shall not be infringed.

Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........


You mean those words that are in the same sentence as "well regulated"?
 
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