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2012-11-11 07:26:46 PM  

Giltric: I wonder how the author with his constitutional edict this and constitutional edict that feels about the words........shall not be infringed.

Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........


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2012-11-11 07:27:06 PM  

TheBigJerk: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Didn't things look the same way in 2000 and 2008 for McCain and Romney respectively?

If the party heads decide it's someone's "turn" I think Gingrich is in the line, (though Huckabee would have a better chance). If they keep playing the "Lone Maverick, rugged individual who is clearly too independent to be bought, sold, and owned by the ACTUAL rulers" tripe then Chris Christie is their best bet, they just have to break him so they can be certain he'll obey.

But just as important is the question, will Christie even care? Politicians chase power because they want it, but some reach a certain level, like governor, and decide they're comfortable there. Some turn away from the pursuit of the big chair.


Yeah, Mario Cuomo for one. Probably Bloomberg.
 
2012-11-11 07:29:23 PM  
If Christie keeps himself positively in the spotlight for the next 4 years it may come down to the Koch GOP needing him, not he other way around.
 
2012-11-11 07:31:10 PM  

simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.


Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.
 
2012-11-11 07:35:07 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: If Christie keeps himself positively in the spotlight for the next 4 years it may come down to the Koch GOP needing him, not he other way around.


I have no idea what his policies are for NJ, but he's got that Jersey way of dealing with problems. "I congratulated Obama on his win, during the course of discussing Sandy. I sent Romney an email".
 
2012-11-11 07:36:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.

Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.


Narf?
 
2012-11-11 07:37:14 PM  
Most people understand that public servants, especially politicians, serve the people and part of their service includes following the law according to their oath of office, but Republicans reject the law when it contradicts ultra-conservative think tanks funded by wealthy industrialists Charles and David Koch

This article starts out like a left wing American Thinker piece. I'll be sure to give it the same disdain.
 
2012-11-11 07:37:14 PM  

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Yup. Though at this pace, it won't be for the GOP. They can't afford a guy of Christie's stature in the position he's in, to switch sides. Imagine how not good that would go for them.
 
2012-11-11 07:37:53 PM  
Seriously. You're gonna fark with someone political in Jersey?

Good luck with that.

/Jersey Strong
 
2012-11-11 07:38:44 PM  

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


At this rate he's going to be the 2016 Democratic nominee and cruise to victory.
 
2012-11-11 07:40:09 PM  
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Obama: Don't you love your country?
Christie: Yes, sir.
Obama: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Christie: Yes, sir.
 
2012-11-11 07:44:43 PM  
Funny. I was discussing Christie last night with a long distance friend. I told my friend Christie would either end up running the GOP, in 3 to 4 years, or he would be a Dem. I would think the GOP would love to keep him.

I doubt they're smart enough to realize it, and will push him out.
 
2012-11-11 07:45:13 PM  

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........

I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"

No im saying the author is much like the koch brothers.....willing to ignore things that pass constitutional muster based on their personal ideology

But thanks for derping.


I was about to mock you for trotting out this dusty old alt, but then somebody took the bait.

6.5/10
 
2012-11-11 07:45:42 PM  
Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?
 
2012-11-11 07:48:21 PM  
I hope Christie tells them to rot in hell.
 
2012-11-11 07:52:25 PM  
i132.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHH'M AGIN it!"
 
2012-11-11 07:57:09 PM  

simplicimus: Gyrfalcon: simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.

Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.

Narf?


Pretty much.
 
2012-11-11 07:58:09 PM  
Warning from the Koch Brothers cites the following: "other conservative governors across the country like Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Scott Walker..."

...sll were laughed out of the presidential primaries - so not a good idea to listen to the Koch Brothers, huh?
 
2012-11-11 07:58:54 PM  

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


Blue Team absorbs more and more of the leavings (moderates), and then when Tea Party finally turns off the lights on their empty room, the former "Democrat Party" will fracture. Last time a party did that, it was the "democratic-republicans" (at that time opposed to the federalist party) and we know what they produced.
 
2012-11-11 08:00:00 PM  

iron_city_ap: They can't afford a guy of Christie's stature in the position he's in, to switch sides. Imagine how not good that would go for them.


It could throw off the Earth's axial tilt!

/yes that was a fat joke
 
2012-11-11 08:00:27 PM  

winterbraid: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........

I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"

No im saying the author is much like the koch brothers.....willing to ignore things that pass constitutional muster based on their personal ideology

But thanks for derping.

I was about to mock you for trotting out this dusty old alt, but then somebody took the bait.

6.5/10




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2012-09-26 01:32:39

go on.......
 
2012-11-11 08:01:18 PM  
My dream match up in 2016 would be Christie vs Biden. Two guys that speak what's on their minds. It would be so refreshing.
 
2012-11-11 08:03:05 PM  

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?



I doubt they'll go the way of the Whigs, personally.

If I were placing bets, I'd put my money on an eventual Republican reorganization that leaves their hybridized, pseudo-libertarian wing (just barely) in control. They'll pick a couple of minor social issues where they can swing slightly left of the mainstream Democrats, ignore the rest, and focus their remaining energy on financial matters (and the deregulation thereof).

The one stumbling block I can see with that idea would be abortion. That's not a demographic linchpin they can cast aside all that easily.
 
2012-11-11 08:05:13 PM  

Wasteland: The one stumbling block I can see with that idea would be abortion. That's not a demographic linchpin they can cast aside all that easily.


They could at least shut up about rape.
 
2012-11-11 08:16:30 PM  
The silverlining of the Citizens United ruling: It goaded rich f*cks to take their money out of their off-shore accounts and to put it into the American economy. They got nothing for it, but we thank them for their contribution to the Obama Recovery.
 
2012-11-11 08:18:37 PM  

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


While it's true that people like the Koch Bros consider it a matter of "write the check - get the results", they must have gotten an inkling from this past week that it doesn't work that way anymore. If they didn't, they get it next time they lose.

The reason is simple: there aren't enough "useful fools" to get their minions elected, and unlike in the corporate world they can't bully, cajole and borrow proxy votes until they get their way. Moreover, the folks who are voting Dem by and large wouldn't vote for a Republican for any ANY position, or at least not after it came out the pol was doing the Koch Bros' bidding. In the internet age voters are increasingly immune to the Koch Bros of the world. After all, at the individual level it's just a check mark on a piece of paper. It may take another election or two for the lesson to sink in, but that old model of how to win an election is busted.
 
2012-11-11 08:22:57 PM  

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.
 
2012-11-11 08:25:44 PM  

Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.


Look how far Giuliani got, and he's a complete asshole.
 
2012-11-11 08:27:19 PM  
 
2012-11-11 08:27:43 PM  
The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.
 
2012-11-11 08:29:49 PM  
Koch Brothers: "Get in line or we bury you with ads, like we did to Obama ... No, stop laughing. Hey! Come back here!"
 
2012-11-11 08:33:46 PM  

tomcatadam: The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.


Oh sweet Jesus...YES!!!

/can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?
 
2012-11-11 08:35:28 PM  

This Face Left Blank: Nothing yet?


I loved that show as a kid.
 
2012-11-11 08:35:46 PM  
Christie talks like he's a total badass. Let's see if he tells the Koch's to go fark themselves.
 
2012-11-11 08:37:14 PM  
Sounds like the Koch brothers want to be 21st century Boss Tweeds.
 
2012-11-11 08:39:57 PM  
FTA: The New Jersey chapter of Americans for Prosperity sent out a press release Thursday questioning Governor Christie's obedience to the Koch Brothers and encouraged him to accept the "burden on the states to thwart" the ACA...

And, that, right there, is the problem. Thanks to Citizens United, what used to be rumored or implicit is now crowed and explicit - rich people believe, honestly believe, that they own the American government, from the White House on down, and that they run the show. Sure, we've cracked wise about it over the last 30 years or so, but blatant claims like this really drive home the fact that you, the vast majority of the American public, just don't matter.
 
2012-11-11 08:45:11 PM  
The Affordable Care Act was hotly contested after it passed both houses of Congress and President Obama's signature making it a legitimate law, and after it was upheld in the Supreme Court, one thought Republicans would finally accept that it cleared every legal challenge and begin implementing provisions at the state level to help 20-30 million Americans get access to affordable health care. One of the mainstays of Willard Romney's campaign was his promise to repeal the ACA on his first day in office that not only displayed his ignorance of the repeal process, but also his lack of concern that millions of Americans would once again be at the mercy of the predatory health insurance industry and suffer from lack of healthcare. However, Romney's defeat was not the end of the battle over the ACA and, as expected, Republican governors are doing the bidding of the Koch Brothers to frustrate the health law's implementation.

Your bloviating isn't internally consistent.
 
2012-11-11 08:46:14 PM  

Stone Meadow: tomcatadam: The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.

Oh sweet Jesus...YES!!!

/can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?


Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.
 
2012-11-11 08:48:10 PM  

Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.


I disagree. Christie is certainly abrasive but he's not a partisan. People who aren't pussies will recognize his nonpartisan ideals and the care he has for his state and they will vote for him. I'm not a Christie booster (like I said I did not vote for him first go-around) but so far he really is a breath of fresh air. He just doesn't bullshiat... I don't endorse all of his ideas but I know if I ever talked to him that, at the very least, we would be talking about what's best for New Jersey. He has intellectual integrity and you can't say that for 80% of politicians.
 
2012-11-11 08:52:52 PM  

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for
 
2012-11-11 08:55:18 PM  

simplicimus: TheBigJerk: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Didn't things look the same way in 2000 and 2008 for McCain and Romney respectively?

If the party heads decide it's someone's "turn" I think Gingrich is in the line, (though Huckabee would have a better chance). If they keep playing the "Lone Maverick, rugged individual who is clearly too independent to be bought, sold, and owned by the ACTUAL rulers" tripe then Chris Christie is their best bet, they just have to break him so they can be certain he'll obey.

But just as important is the question, will Christie even care? Politicians chase power because they want it, but some reach a certain level, like governor, and decide they're comfortable there. Some turn away from the pursuit of the big chair.

Yeah, Mario Cuomo for one. Probably Bloomberg.


in 2008, many voters were concerned that McCain would not live through a whole term. He was 72 at the time.

in 2016, Bloomberg will be 74. for those talking Gingrich, he will be 73 by then. he wasn't the runner up anyway, Frothy McFrotherson was.
 
2012-11-11 08:59:28 PM  

thunderbird8804: InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?

It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for


I was hoping that the Working Families Party would be stronger by now, but unfortunately it isn't on the ballots in enough states to make a difference nationally.
 
2012-11-11 08:59:51 PM  

Kuoxasar: I didn't vote for Christie the first time around but, without question, he's getting my vote next time.

He really does not give a fark about the Republican establishment or political circlejerking... he's just a Jersey boy and he cares about this state through and through. I'm tempted to say (although it's a difficult translation) that he would make an excellent president. He's gotta lose weight though because being president is as physically demanding as it is demanding in every other respect.


And that's what we should expect from our politicians, IMHO. Far too many of them are carpetbaggers who pretty much live in DC, and don't interact much with people back home until election-time....
 
2012-11-11 09:00:07 PM  
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He'll get gastric bypass soon and he'll beat his "fightin' weight" by 2016
 
2012-11-11 09:04:09 PM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.


... mission statement.
 
2012-11-11 09:05:32 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i132.photobucket.com image 288x231]

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHH'M AGIN it!"


That's a keeper of an idea.

oi50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-11 09:09:48 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.


Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?
 
2012-11-11 09:10:13 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: They got nothing for it, but we thank them for their contribution to the Obama Recovery.


Unintended consequences: the delicious irony that their massive injections of liquidity, particularly into the swing states, may have helped the incumbent by boosting the economy.
 
2012-11-11 09:26:26 PM  
It's hard to believe that this doesn't scare Republicans. A few billionaires trying to sway the election with huge amounts of cash. And then punishing people because you didn't get the results that you wanted.
 
2012-11-11 09:27:10 PM  

dumbobruni: thunderbird8804: InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?

It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for

I was hoping that the Working Families Party would be stronger by now, but unfortunately it isn't on the ballots in enough states to make a difference nationally.


The Green Party is probably the most recognizable on the left. If you get a little bit of funding behind them (say, a few young Hollywood millionaires looking for a domestic cause), I think a Green candidate could successfully run for the House of Representatives against center-right Democratic incumbents. Especially in ultra-liberal areas (Berkeley, Madison, other college-heavy districts, districts with huge wind-power industries), where the Democrat could be painted as a corporate shill who doesn't support the will of their constituency.

As long as the current Republican House districts will naturally turn blue, either through demographic change or bitter primary races. By 2020-2024 we could have 150 Republicans in the House, 250 Democrats, and 35 Green.

Independents may also see a surge in voting. Particularly in young or technology-centric areas, social media could easily offset TV and radio ads in the coming years.
 
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