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2012-11-11 02:05:58 PM
Oh yeah. The Koch brudders are very buttmad about last Tuesday all right.
 
2012-11-11 02:42:00 PM
So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.
 
2012-11-11 02:43:18 PM
These people really hate democracy, don't they?
 
2012-11-11 02:47:45 PM

Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?


I would believe the updated "Red Dawn" premise more if the North Koreans were aided by the Koch Brothers.
 
2012-11-11 02:49:53 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh yeah. The Koch brudders are very buttmad about last Tuesday all right.


good,
 
2012-11-11 02:52:32 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?

I would believe the updated "Red Dawn" premise more if the North Koreans were aided by the Koch Brothers.


Yeah, as long as they were able to keep their fortunes, I don't think they'd hesitate.
 
2012-11-11 02:59:30 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Actually, this has probably boosted his overall cred. Harder to get momentum early but lots of overall support.
 
2012-11-11 03:03:07 PM

Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?


Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.
 
2012-11-11 03:10:08 PM

Bloody William: Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?

Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.


I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.
 
2012-11-11 04:19:10 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh yeah. The Koch brudders are very buttmad about last Tuesday all right


well, duh. talk about a really poor ROI . at least the ad agencies made some money, which is nice, i guess.
 
2012-11-11 04:37:21 PM
Apparently duly elected officials shouldn't carry out the letter of the law. Who knew?
 
2012-11-11 04:39:34 PM
The New Jersey chapter of Americans for Prosperity sent out a press release Thursday questioning Governor Christie's obedience to the Koch Brothers and encouraged him to accept the "burden on the states to thwart" the ACA because after Republicans lost the election, "Congress will not be able to repeal the law." The press release cited "other conservative governors across the country like Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, and others have already taken a principled stand,"

images4.wikia.nocookie.net 
 
2012-11-11 04:41:01 PM

Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.


Both knees.
 
2012-11-11 05:08:55 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.
 
2012-11-11 05:12:26 PM
Christie should inform them he intends to take a principled stand supporting the rule of law, and ask the NJ AG to investigate whether these shenanigans violate state or Federal law.
 
2012-11-11 05:25:24 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Nominee of the Republicans or the Democrats?
 
2012-11-11 05:35:59 PM

simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.


QFT - Also at this point the GOP is too fractured to be owned - even by the Koch heads. 2016 primaries are going to be brutal.
 
2012-11-11 05:41:08 PM
Good luck with that, Koch brothers.

/if they primary Christie, expect a Democrat to become the next governor.
 
2012-11-11 05:41:42 PM
NJ is still very liberal. The Kochs only have so much power there.
 
2012-11-11 06:10:44 PM

simplicimus: I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.


THIS.
 
2012-11-11 06:20:22 PM
For the love of Pete, when are the Pepsi brothers going to stand up and fight this insanity?!?
 
2012-11-11 06:21:28 PM

alienated: TV's Vinnie: Oh yeah. The Koch brudders are very buttmad about last Tuesday all right

well, duh. talk about a really poor ROI . at least the ad agencies made some money, which is nice, i guess.


Look at it this way, instead of these asshats holding their money in the Cayman Islands, it's now being circulated into the U.S. Economy.
 
2012-11-11 06:30:13 PM
The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.
 
2012-11-11 06:31:38 PM
With a helpful picture explaining why republicans are so homophobic.


/Koch kills democracy
 
2012-11-11 06:35:24 PM

Hershey Highway Patrol: The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.


I thought they'd consider it porn.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:49 PM

quatchi: simplicimus: I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.

THIS.


thirded. chris christie doesnt give a shiat.
 
2012-11-11 06:38:45 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


I think he'll be the nominee for some party...just not the Republican party.
 
2012-11-11 06:39:15 PM
jspivey.wikispaces.com
 
2012-11-11 06:39:44 PM
I really don't like the guy, but the Koch brothers must be insane to do this. Gov. Christie does not react well to being told what to do.
 
2012-11-11 06:40:19 PM

themindiswatching: Good luck with that, Koch brothers.

/if they primary Christie, expect a Democrat to become the next governor.


If they primary Christie, he says, "You can have the GOP nom", and goes independent/Libertarian.
 
2012-11-11 06:41:36 PM
Yeah but couldn't Chris Christie just eat them, and then be all like, 'Oh, no, I don't know where they went..(burp)..."?
 
2012-11-11 06:41:54 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


No. His golden boy status took a big hit during Sandy, and he is not Hispanic. He might run and be in the primary, but the powers that be will surely nominate someone that they think will pull the Hispanics because they honestly believe that will solve all of their problems.
 
2012-11-11 06:43:01 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Christ Christie for RONPAUL 2016
 
2012-11-11 06:43:29 PM
Does anyone know how likely Christie is to ditch the republican party and become an independent?
 
2012-11-11 06:43:44 PM

RedPhoenix122: Look at it this way, instead of these asshats holding their money in the Cayman Islands, it's now being circulated into the U.S. Economy.


This is true.
 
2012-11-11 06:46:59 PM
So... the Kochs are mad that Christie isn't taking a "conservative" approach?

The ACA passed, and it won't be repealed. That's a fact.

States have two options under the ACA.
1. Set up a health insurance exchange at the state level. This lets governors work with the insurance companies within their own borders, and if they think their state has a special need fo some kind, they can make sure it's accounted for. Since conservatives champion states' rights, this seems like the smartest thing a Republican governor can do.
2. Allow the US government to set up a federal exchange within your state. It will no longer account for your state's perceived individual needs, and won't specifically work with the businesses operating within your borders. This is what the Kochs and their supporters shouldn't want.

So given those choices... #1 is the conservative approach. #2 is the liberal approach. The other governors (Jindal, Perry, etc.) are choosing invisible option #3 - pretend the ACA never passed. That's not liberal or conservative - it's regressive.

As with their other policies, the GOP sponsors are attempting to make time move in reverse. They're just dying to party like it's 1999.
 
2012-11-11 06:48:29 PM
"That's a nice state ya got there. Be a shame if somethin' were ta happen to it..."
 
2012-11-11 06:48:58 PM
I didn't vote for Christie the first time around but, without question, he's getting my vote next time.

He really does not give a fark about the Republican establishment or political circlejerking... he's just a Jersey boy and he cares about this state through and through. I'm tempted to say (although it's a difficult translation) that he would make an excellent president. He's gotta lose weight though because being president is as physically demanding as it is demanding in every other respect.
 
2012-11-11 06:51:19 PM
Chris Christie's loyalty is to himself before anyone else. Republicans need to he careful who they're messing with here.

This guy was only elected in New Jersey because the Deomcratic boss in the south of the state supporter him.

/convientantly, that same boss happens to own charter schools!
 
2012-11-11 06:52:53 PM

EvilEgg: NJ is still very liberal. The Kochs only have so much power there.


Plus, they have to contend with this guy and his crew:

www.ballsofsteelorfullretard.com

/nice SuperPAC you have there
//shame if anything should happen to it...
 
2012-11-11 06:53:35 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


I hope he is. I voted for Obama twice and would seriously consider voting for Christie. The GOP needs some new blood and some new ideas. They lost this election because they lost people like me. The solution to that isn't to go ludicrous speed to the Derp System, it's people like Chris Christie.
 
2012-11-11 07:00:08 PM
Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?
 
2012-11-11 07:04:11 PM

oryx: Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?


They have a song Link
 
2012-11-11 07:04:34 PM
Damn I love love to see Christie call a press conference, reveal this publicly and remind these douchebags that just becasue they're rich, they don't make public policy. Hell, I might even vote for him.
 
2012-11-11 07:08:23 PM

dletter: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Nominee of the Republicans or the Democrats?


IlGreven: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think he'll be the nominee for some party...just not the Republican party.


Whatever you two are smoking, may I have some?

I really don't like the man. I like when he stands up against stupid BS, be it a Muslim nominee for judge or stupid f--king idiots calling him out for working with the President to help his constituency recover after a disaster. But while I probably would vote for him in the Republican primary (unless Huntsman runs again, and I can't think of another Republican other than the two of them I'd vote for) I sure as hell wouldn't vote for him in the general election.

And there is not a snowball's chance in hell he'd get the Democratic nomination. Seriously. Stop it. Both these posts can't be in jest, right?

/get to choose which primary I vote for in my state
 
2012-11-11 07:11:51 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Didn't things look the same way in 2000 and 2008 for McCain and Romney respectively?

If the party heads decide it's someone's "turn" I think Gingrich is in the line, (though Huckabee would have a better chance). If they keep playing the "Lone Maverick, rugged individual who is clearly too independent to be bought, sold, and owned by the ACTUAL rulers" tripe then Chris Christie is their best bet, they just have to break him so they can be certain he'll obey.

But just as important is the question, will Christie even care? Politicians chase power because they want it, but some reach a certain level, like governor, and decide they're comfortable there. Some turn away from the pursuit of the big chair.
 
2012-11-11 07:13:51 PM
I wonder how the author with his constitutional edict this and constitutional edict that feels about the words........shall not be infringed.

Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........
 
2012-11-11 07:16:10 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


No, it's quite obvious now that Christie is too much of a free thinker.

And that kind of stuff just doesn't fly in the GOP.
 
2012-11-11 07:18:37 PM

Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........


I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"
 
2012-11-11 07:23:04 PM

Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........

I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"


No im saying the author is much like the koch brothers.....willing to ignore things that pass constitutional muster based on their personal ideology

But thanks for derping.
 
2012-11-11 07:26:46 PM

Giltric: I wonder how the author with his constitutional edict this and constitutional edict that feels about the words........shall not be infringed.

Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-11 07:27:06 PM

TheBigJerk: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Didn't things look the same way in 2000 and 2008 for McCain and Romney respectively?

If the party heads decide it's someone's "turn" I think Gingrich is in the line, (though Huckabee would have a better chance). If they keep playing the "Lone Maverick, rugged individual who is clearly too independent to be bought, sold, and owned by the ACTUAL rulers" tripe then Chris Christie is their best bet, they just have to break him so they can be certain he'll obey.

But just as important is the question, will Christie even care? Politicians chase power because they want it, but some reach a certain level, like governor, and decide they're comfortable there. Some turn away from the pursuit of the big chair.


Yeah, Mario Cuomo for one. Probably Bloomberg.
 
2012-11-11 07:29:23 PM
If Christie keeps himself positively in the spotlight for the next 4 years it may come down to the Koch GOP needing him, not he other way around.
 
2012-11-11 07:31:10 PM

simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.


Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.
 
2012-11-11 07:35:07 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: If Christie keeps himself positively in the spotlight for the next 4 years it may come down to the Koch GOP needing him, not he other way around.


I have no idea what his policies are for NJ, but he's got that Jersey way of dealing with problems. "I congratulated Obama on his win, during the course of discussing Sandy. I sent Romney an email".
 
2012-11-11 07:36:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.

Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.


Narf?
 
2012-11-11 07:37:14 PM
Most people understand that public servants, especially politicians, serve the people and part of their service includes following the law according to their oath of office, but Republicans reject the law when it contradicts ultra-conservative think tanks funded by wealthy industrialists Charles and David Koch

This article starts out like a left wing American Thinker piece. I'll be sure to give it the same disdain.
 
2012-11-11 07:37:14 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Yup. Though at this pace, it won't be for the GOP. They can't afford a guy of Christie's stature in the position he's in, to switch sides. Imagine how not good that would go for them.
 
2012-11-11 07:37:53 PM
Seriously. You're gonna fark with someone political in Jersey?

Good luck with that.

/Jersey Strong
 
2012-11-11 07:38:44 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


At this rate he's going to be the 2016 Democratic nominee and cruise to victory.
 
2012-11-11 07:40:09 PM
img204.imageshack.us

Obama: Don't you love your country?
Christie: Yes, sir.
Obama: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Christie: Yes, sir.
 
2012-11-11 07:44:43 PM
Funny. I was discussing Christie last night with a long distance friend. I told my friend Christie would either end up running the GOP, in 3 to 4 years, or he would be a Dem. I would think the GOP would love to keep him.

I doubt they're smart enough to realize it, and will push him out.
 
2012-11-11 07:45:13 PM

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........

I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"

No im saying the author is much like the koch brothers.....willing to ignore things that pass constitutional muster based on their personal ideology

But thanks for derping.


I was about to mock you for trotting out this dusty old alt, but then somebody took the bait.

6.5/10
 
2012-11-11 07:45:42 PM
Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?
 
2012-11-11 07:48:21 PM
I hope Christie tells them to rot in hell.
 
2012-11-11 07:52:25 PM
i132.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHH'M AGIN it!"
 
2012-11-11 07:57:09 PM

simplicimus: Gyrfalcon: simplicimus: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

I think the owners underestimate Christie. He's kind of like the Honey Badger of Republicans.

Yeah, they're threatening a fat man from New Jersey. He may be immune to threats from Jew bankers by now.

Narf?


Pretty much.
 
2012-11-11 07:58:09 PM
Warning from the Koch Brothers cites the following: "other conservative governors across the country like Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Scott Walker..."

...sll were laughed out of the presidential primaries - so not a good idea to listen to the Koch Brothers, huh?
 
2012-11-11 07:58:54 PM

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


Blue Team absorbs more and more of the leavings (moderates), and then when Tea Party finally turns off the lights on their empty room, the former "Democrat Party" will fracture. Last time a party did that, it was the "democratic-republicans" (at that time opposed to the federalist party) and we know what they produced.
 
2012-11-11 08:00:00 PM

iron_city_ap: They can't afford a guy of Christie's stature in the position he's in, to switch sides. Imagine how not good that would go for them.


It could throw off the Earth's axial tilt!

/yes that was a fat joke
 
2012-11-11 08:00:27 PM

winterbraid: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........

I'm not seeing where you going with this.

Are you saying that having a hissy fit because you couldn't repeal Obamacare is "taking a principled stand"

No im saying the author is much like the koch brothers.....willing to ignore things that pass constitutional muster based on their personal ideology

But thanks for derping.

I was about to mock you for trotting out this dusty old alt, but then somebody took the bait.

6.5/10




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2012-09-26 01:32:39

go on.......
 
2012-11-11 08:01:18 PM
My dream match up in 2016 would be Christie vs Biden. Two guys that speak what's on their minds. It would be so refreshing.
 
2012-11-11 08:03:05 PM

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?



I doubt they'll go the way of the Whigs, personally.

If I were placing bets, I'd put my money on an eventual Republican reorganization that leaves their hybridized, pseudo-libertarian wing (just barely) in control. They'll pick a couple of minor social issues where they can swing slightly left of the mainstream Democrats, ignore the rest, and focus their remaining energy on financial matters (and the deregulation thereof).

The one stumbling block I can see with that idea would be abortion. That's not a demographic linchpin they can cast aside all that easily.
 
2012-11-11 08:05:13 PM

Wasteland: The one stumbling block I can see with that idea would be abortion. That's not a demographic linchpin they can cast aside all that easily.


They could at least shut up about rape.
 
2012-11-11 08:16:30 PM
The silverlining of the Citizens United ruling: It goaded rich f*cks to take their money out of their off-shore accounts and to put it into the American economy. They got nothing for it, but we thank them for their contribution to the Obama Recovery.
 
2012-11-11 08:18:37 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


While it's true that people like the Koch Bros consider it a matter of "write the check - get the results", they must have gotten an inkling from this past week that it doesn't work that way anymore. If they didn't, they get it next time they lose.

The reason is simple: there aren't enough "useful fools" to get their minions elected, and unlike in the corporate world they can't bully, cajole and borrow proxy votes until they get their way. Moreover, the folks who are voting Dem by and large wouldn't vote for a Republican for any ANY position, or at least not after it came out the pol was doing the Koch Bros' bidding. In the internet age voters are increasingly immune to the Koch Bros of the world. After all, at the individual level it's just a check mark on a piece of paper. It may take another election or two for the lesson to sink in, but that old model of how to win an election is busted.
 
2012-11-11 08:22:57 PM

FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.


Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.
 
2012-11-11 08:25:44 PM

Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.


Look how far Giuliani got, and he's a complete asshole.
 
2012-11-11 08:27:19 PM
 
2012-11-11 08:27:43 PM
The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.
 
2012-11-11 08:29:49 PM
Koch Brothers: "Get in line or we bury you with ads, like we did to Obama ... No, stop laughing. Hey! Come back here!"
 
2012-11-11 08:33:46 PM

tomcatadam: The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.


Oh sweet Jesus...YES!!!

/can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?
 
2012-11-11 08:35:28 PM

This Face Left Blank: Nothing yet?


I loved that show as a kid.
 
2012-11-11 08:35:46 PM
Christie talks like he's a total badass. Let's see if he tells the Koch's to go fark themselves.
 
2012-11-11 08:37:14 PM
Sounds like the Koch brothers want to be 21st century Boss Tweeds.
 
2012-11-11 08:39:57 PM
FTA: The New Jersey chapter of Americans for Prosperity sent out a press release Thursday questioning Governor Christie's obedience to the Koch Brothers and encouraged him to accept the "burden on the states to thwart" the ACA...

And, that, right there, is the problem. Thanks to Citizens United, what used to be rumored or implicit is now crowed and explicit - rich people believe, honestly believe, that they own the American government, from the White House on down, and that they run the show. Sure, we've cracked wise about it over the last 30 years or so, but blatant claims like this really drive home the fact that you, the vast majority of the American public, just don't matter.
 
2012-11-11 08:45:11 PM
The Affordable Care Act was hotly contested after it passed both houses of Congress and President Obama's signature making it a legitimate law, and after it was upheld in the Supreme Court, one thought Republicans would finally accept that it cleared every legal challenge and begin implementing provisions at the state level to help 20-30 million Americans get access to affordable health care. One of the mainstays of Willard Romney's campaign was his promise to repeal the ACA on his first day in office that not only displayed his ignorance of the repeal process, but also his lack of concern that millions of Americans would once again be at the mercy of the predatory health insurance industry and suffer from lack of healthcare. However, Romney's defeat was not the end of the battle over the ACA and, as expected, Republican governors are doing the bidding of the Koch Brothers to frustrate the health law's implementation.

Your bloviating isn't internally consistent.
 
2012-11-11 08:46:14 PM

Stone Meadow: tomcatadam: The GOP could go for Christie. Alas, I think they are aiming for another Bush.

Oh sweet Jesus...YES!!!

/can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?


Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.
 
2012-11-11 08:48:10 PM

Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.


I disagree. Christie is certainly abrasive but he's not a partisan. People who aren't pussies will recognize his nonpartisan ideals and the care he has for his state and they will vote for him. I'm not a Christie booster (like I said I did not vote for him first go-around) but so far he really is a breath of fresh air. He just doesn't bullshiat... I don't endorse all of his ideas but I know if I ever talked to him that, at the very least, we would be talking about what's best for New Jersey. He has intellectual integrity and you can't say that for 80% of politicians.
 
2012-11-11 08:52:52 PM

InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?


It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for
 
2012-11-11 08:55:18 PM

simplicimus: TheBigJerk: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Didn't things look the same way in 2000 and 2008 for McCain and Romney respectively?

If the party heads decide it's someone's "turn" I think Gingrich is in the line, (though Huckabee would have a better chance). If they keep playing the "Lone Maverick, rugged individual who is clearly too independent to be bought, sold, and owned by the ACTUAL rulers" tripe then Chris Christie is their best bet, they just have to break him so they can be certain he'll obey.

But just as important is the question, will Christie even care? Politicians chase power because they want it, but some reach a certain level, like governor, and decide they're comfortable there. Some turn away from the pursuit of the big chair.

Yeah, Mario Cuomo for one. Probably Bloomberg.


in 2008, many voters were concerned that McCain would not live through a whole term. He was 72 at the time.

in 2016, Bloomberg will be 74. for those talking Gingrich, he will be 73 by then. he wasn't the runner up anyway, Frothy McFrotherson was.
 
2012-11-11 08:59:28 PM

thunderbird8804: InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?

It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for


I was hoping that the Working Families Party would be stronger by now, but unfortunately it isn't on the ballots in enough states to make a difference nationally.
 
2012-11-11 08:59:51 PM

Kuoxasar: I didn't vote for Christie the first time around but, without question, he's getting my vote next time.

He really does not give a fark about the Republican establishment or political circlejerking... he's just a Jersey boy and he cares about this state through and through. I'm tempted to say (although it's a difficult translation) that he would make an excellent president. He's gotta lose weight though because being president is as physically demanding as it is demanding in every other respect.


And that's what we should expect from our politicians, IMHO. Far too many of them are carpetbaggers who pretty much live in DC, and don't interact much with people back home until election-time....
 
2012-11-11 09:00:07 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

cdn.thedailybeast.com


He'll get gastric bypass soon and he'll beat his "fightin' weight" by 2016
 
2012-11-11 09:04:09 PM

Hershey Highway Patrol: The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.


... mission statement.
 
2012-11-11 09:05:32 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i132.photobucket.com image 288x231]

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHH'M AGIN it!"


That's a keeper of an idea.

oi50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-11 09:09:48 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.


Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?
 
2012-11-11 09:10:13 PM

shower_in_my_socks: They got nothing for it, but we thank them for their contribution to the Obama Recovery.


Unintended consequences: the delicious irony that their massive injections of liquidity, particularly into the swing states, may have helped the incumbent by boosting the economy.
 
2012-11-11 09:26:26 PM
It's hard to believe that this doesn't scare Republicans. A few billionaires trying to sway the election with huge amounts of cash. And then punishing people because you didn't get the results that you wanted.
 
2012-11-11 09:27:10 PM

dumbobruni: thunderbird8804: InfamousG: Serious question: the republican party lost resoundingly, despite the many more millions in propaganda produced compared to democrats and independents. They held a House majority almost fully because of gerrymandering districts to guarantee seats. As more people abandon the republican party (or die of old age) and as the party leaders become ever more extremist, what will replace it if it implodes completely?

It's my fondest hope that the Democrats step in to fill the role of the American right wing (which they pretty much have done already), and a pre-existing or newly created leftist party gains political strength to become their counterpart. A lot of us on the left have had to play realpolitik for a long time, always voting for the "lesser evil", and never really feeling like we have a candidate or party of our own, and it would be nice to be able to make our mark on US policy.

/Lash the capitalist elements of Marx's philosophy to the dynamism of American capitalism, and add in the broad and fully committed internationalism of the long gone Trotskyists and you'd have something that would really be worth voting for

I was hoping that the Working Families Party would be stronger by now, but unfortunately it isn't on the ballots in enough states to make a difference nationally.


The Green Party is probably the most recognizable on the left. If you get a little bit of funding behind them (say, a few young Hollywood millionaires looking for a domestic cause), I think a Green candidate could successfully run for the House of Representatives against center-right Democratic incumbents. Especially in ultra-liberal areas (Berkeley, Madison, other college-heavy districts, districts with huge wind-power industries), where the Democrat could be painted as a corporate shill who doesn't support the will of their constituency.

As long as the current Republican House districts will naturally turn blue, either through demographic change or bitter primary races. By 2020-2024 we could have 150 Republicans in the House, 250 Democrats, and 35 Green.

Independents may also see a surge in voting. Particularly in young or technology-centric areas, social media could easily offset TV and radio ads in the coming years.
 
2012-11-11 09:27:37 PM
Christie should take a principled stand on the koch brothers' necks for that.
 
2012-11-11 09:31:22 PM

Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?


Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?
 
2012-11-11 09:39:53 PM

simplicimus: Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?

Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?


Okay, I see a little damnation by faint praise...and the fact that you missed FDR, but joking aside, who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?
 
2012-11-11 09:51:24 PM

Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?


That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.
 
2012-11-11 09:52:37 PM

Stone Meadow: simplicimus: Stone Meadow: Reverend Monkeypants: Stone Meadow: can you say Cuomo 350+ to Jeb Bush less than 190?

Please no. Us NYers do not support this comcept.

Okay, as a Californian with only a passing familiarity with your Governor, I'll bite. Why not? Is it that he's a bloviating asshole, or that he is sooooooo good you can't stand to make do without him?

Andrew is not his father, Plus, the last candidate from NY was Teddy Roosevelt. Why give up NY just to be President?

Okay, I see a little damnation by faint praise...and the fact that you missed FDR, but joking aside, who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?


Sorry, forgot about FDR. As far as the DNC, darned if I know. They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old. Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.
 
2012-11-11 09:57:34 PM
The Koch brothers bought and paid for the GOP and want their money's worth.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:18 PM

Bucky Katt: The Koch brothers bought and paid for the GOP and want their money's worth.


Their ROI hasn't worked well for them.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:39 PM

Aarontology: Bloody William: Aarontology: These people really hate democracy, don't they?

Democracy is irrelevant against sustaining plutocracy.

I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.


One knee? Blow jobs are easier on both knees.
 
2012-11-11 10:02:02 PM

simplicimus: They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old.


Agreed on both points.

Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.

Ah, hell nah! She couldn't even get off her ass to fight for Uncle Teddy's place.

The last two Democrats to win the White House came out of left field, and were virtual unknowns before vaulting to prominence in early caucuses and primaries. I think it's going to be Cuomo, but am willing to consider other viewpoints.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:40 PM

simplicimus: oryx: Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?

They have a song Link


And this.
 
2012-11-11 10:19:38 PM

CigaretteSmokingMan: simplicimus: oryx: Their motto is "whatever it is we're against it"?

They have a song Link

And this.


Good find.
 
2012-11-11 10:30:45 PM

Stone Meadow: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

While it's true that people like the Koch Bros consider it a matter of "write the check - get the results", they must have gotten an inkling from this past week that it doesn't work that way anymore. If they didn't, they get it next time they lose.

The reason is simple: there aren't enough "useful fools" to get their minions elected, and unlike in the corporate world they can't bully, cajole and borrow proxy votes until they get their way. Moreover, the folks who are voting Dem by and large wouldn't vote for a Republican for any ANY position, or at least not after it came out the pol was doing the Koch Bros' bidding. In the internet age voters are increasingly immune to the Koch Bros of the world. After all, at the individual level it's just a check mark on a piece of paper. It may take another election or two for the lesson to sink in, but that old model of how to win an election is busted.


Well... there are lots of old models.

Before Obama, Republicans were historically the best at Getting Out The Vote. Especially for midterm elections, where they had/have an advantage of supporters who tend to give more of a damn (and who can be "bookmarked" to make sure they're also targeted in Presidential Election Years):

sas-origin.onstreammedia.com

This is just a hypothesis on my part, but I believe you *can* throw a bunch of money - intelligently throw a bunch of money toward an election and have a decent effect, if the race is sufficiently close. If it isn't, then money won't solve anything. And with changing demographics, unless the GOP starts to see the goddamn light, you're right - it'll get to the point where money won't be enough.

That wasn't true in this election necessarily. The stupid huge amount of money simply wasn't spent where it needed to be - it was spent where it was easy to spend it.

Ads, mailers, etc., will have an effect to some degree - I doubt robocalls have any effect at all other than spreading disinformation but I guess they must have some if people keep buying them -

- but the most effective* way of persuading and encouraging voters is a combination of one on one interactions (in person over phone), and then get out the vote - while having someone go down to the damn clerk's offices and strike off voters who have already turned in their ballots. Divert those resources elsewhere. If a volunteer shows up to your office, have an accurate walk list ready for them. Spend money to make sure you have the best voter data you can buy to start with, then volunteers on the ground can amend the rest far, far before election day. Have the motherf--king tech available so poll watchers (pay them to be everywhere, you've got the money) can strike off early voters while callers follow up to make sure unlikely voters who are still your supporters get their ass to the polls.

IF the election is close, there will always be young kids looking to network and a good line on their resume, there will always be pissed off old people who can make sure their neighbors in their small town turn out for the polls... you can find people to do the very much needed legwork. You pay more of those young college kids, hell, you'll get an incredible amount of work out of whatever tiny sum you're paying.

But ignoring that very very integral part of an election, or doing it half-assedly because your "internal polls" are giving you "incredibly stupid confidence", then you're screwed. You can throw money at that problem and fix it, but you have to start early and the campaign you're throwing money at has to be honest enough to objectively look at the numbers - or if not, not be stupid enough to publically and privately assume everything is going to be fine without coordinating the best goddamn Get Out The Vote campaign the APPARENTLY EASILY AVAILABLE money can buy.

Yeah, if you're throwing your money toward a Super PAC you can't coordinate with the campaign (ha). But you can figure out where campaign offices are, and set up your shop one town over. If you have door knockers (paid or not) out, they *will* run into the candidate's campaign - mark those locations, move for the time being, follow up with them after a few weeks have passed. Teach people how to effectively communicate (spend money on market research for messaging if you want) to sway those undecided voters who see this dedicated person knocking on their door.

Have that down. Add unlimited money for the logistics, tech, to strategically start paying trusted volunteers as the election gets closer and closer. You have it.

Unless you're Karl Rove, then, well, you don't.

* I'm too damn tired to find a cite on this apparently, if I'm (factually) wrong let me know
 
2012-11-11 10:33:57 PM

quatchi: Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?

That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.


... we have a week less than 4 years. No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC. It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.
 
2012-11-11 10:40:14 PM

quatchi: Stone Meadow: who else is hanging in the DNC wings that's Presidential material?

That's the thing. It's wide open. Five minutes after the 2008 elections people basically said 2012 is gonna be Mitt v Obama and Obama will win and they were right.

I was one of them.

Now? Honestly can't tell you who will be the nom for either side.

Got a few ideas who will ruin but as to who will win it's anybody's guess.


typo or clever wordplay?
 
2012-11-11 10:46:59 PM

Atheist Vuvuzela Marching Band: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 422x599]


Came for a B.P. Richfield... leaving satisfied.
 
2012-11-11 10:54:21 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ... we have a week less than 4 years.


So... too soon yer saying?

No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC.

A lot of people were stoked over Obama because of the speech he knocked it out of the park at the 2004 DNC but after the initial enthusiasm the conventional wisdom, that Obama himself even expressed at one point, was that a run in '08 for him was a stretch because of Hillary's "inevitability" factor.

It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.

Surmising for 2016 has only just begun.

Assuming Mittens won't take another crack at it the GOP will run Jeb Bush, Rick Santorum, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Assuming Hillary and Biden won't run the Dems will run Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kathleen Sebelius and Elizabeth Warren.

Just riffin', ya understand.
 
2012-11-11 10:55:06 PM

winterbraid: typo or clever wordplay?


Typo. I'm not that clever.
 
2012-11-11 10:56:41 PM
Maybe Deval Patrick as well.
 
2012-11-11 11:00:03 PM

quatchi: StreetlightInTheGhetto: ... we have a week less than 4 years.

So... too soon yer saying?

No one was really calling Obama in 08 in 2004. A few people, but the focus was on Hillary IIRC.

A lot of people were stoked over Obama because of the speech he knocked it out of the park at the 2004 DNC but after the initial enthusiasm the conventional wisdom, that Obama himself even expressed at one point, was that a run in '08 for him was a stretch because of Hillary's "inevitability" factor.

It doesn't matter. Surmising over now.

Surmising for 2016 has only just begun.

Assuming Mittens won't take another crack at it the GOP will run Jeb Bush, Rick Santorum, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Assuming Hillary and Biden won't run the Dems will run Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kathleen Sebelius and Elizabeth Warren.

Just riffin', ya understand.


Cory Booker may have a shot. Proven record as mayor of Newark and the media loves him.
 
2012-11-11 11:01:05 PM
It's amazing to me how many millions of dollars someone will spend to keep from paying thousands in taxes.
 
2012-11-11 11:55:37 PM

propasaurus: It's amazing to me how many millions of dollars someone will spend to keep from paying thousands in taxes.


What's been utterly bizarre this time around is how many millions of dollars people are spending to keep from paying hundreds of dollars in taxes.
 
2012-11-12 12:12:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: What's been utterly bizarre this time around is how many millions of dollars people are spending to keep from paying hundreds of dollars in taxes.


It's all about the short-term mindset with these people. Think about their actions, and evaluate their endgame. They are trying to squeeze every cent out of the lower classes. But those lower classes barely have a pot to piss in.

If they really wanted to increase their fortune and standing, they would want to inflate the lower classes as much as possible. It's easier to squeeze juice from a grapefruit than from a raisin.
 
2012-11-12 01:26:11 AM

Kuoxasar: Fart_Machine: FloydA: So, does anyone still think Christie is going to be the 2016 nominee? The owners of the GOP have spoken.

Christie won't get the nomination because sooner or later his abrasive personality will erase all the bipartisan good will he has gotten due to Sandy.

I disagree. Christie is certainly abrasive but he's not a partisan. People who aren't pussies will recognize his nonpartisan ideals and the care he has for his state and they will vote for him. I'm not a Christie booster (like I said I did not vote for him first go-around) but so far he really is a breath of fresh air. He just doesn't bullshiat... I don't endorse all of his ideas but I know if I ever talked to him that, at the very least, we would be talking about what's best for New Jersey. He has intellectual integrity and you can't say that for 80% of politicians.


The abrasive guy is better served as a VP contender than the President. That's why Biden works so well.
 
2012-11-12 03:54:38 AM

quatchi: Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.

Both knees.


i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 04:40:16 AM

quatchi: Maybe Deval Patrick as well.


Castro (either one) probably deserves to be there as well, from a charisma standpoint if nothing else.
 
2012-11-12 07:44:04 AM

Hershey Highway Patrol: The Koch boys consider the Hunger Games a documentary.


And "The Handmaid's Tale" a handbook.
 
2012-11-12 07:45:59 AM
And for the record, Christie already vetoed the law setting up the state exchange in New Jersey. That is supposed to be set up by November 26th, or the Federal government will set one up instead.
 
2012-11-12 08:11:46 AM

Miss Stein: quatchi: Aarontology: I really wonder when they meet with politicians if they make them bend on one knee in fealty.

Both knees.

[i759.photobucket.com image 469x704]


I think you've got the positions reversed there....
 
2012-11-12 08:32:02 AM

simplicimus: Sorry, forgot about FDR. As far as the DNC, darned if I know. They could try Hillary, but she'll be too old and the country is tired of dynasties. Crazy Uncle Joe would be fun, but he's too old. Maybe one of the Kennedys, it's been a while. Probably Carolyn.


Alan Grayson
 
2012-11-13 07:06:13 AM
Bullets to the heads of Charles and David Koch, and Grover Norquist would be a great start.These people aren't Americans anyway.
 
2012-11-13 07:08:07 AM

Giltric: I wonder how the author with his constitutional edict this and constitutional edict that feels about the words........shall not be infringed.

Im guessing he takes a principled stand against it........


You mean those words that are in the same sentence as "well regulated"?
 
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