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(The Raw Story)   "Four presidents in the last century have won 50 percent of the vote twice: Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Obama"   (rawstory.com) divider line 35
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2012-11-11 03:34:42 PM  
4 votes:
This is the second time in recent memory that Bill Kristol has advocated something counter-intuitive to the GOP's position, which is interesting because Bill Kristol is never right about anything.

Ever.

No, seriously. I have never seen a pundit, journalist, critic or political commentator that is more habitually wrong than him. Every prediction, every claim, every assertion he makes is always wrong.

I think he knows this now, so he's deliberately advocating the opposite of what he wants to happen in hopes of being wrong about it.
2012-11-11 04:25:32 PM  
3 votes:
In other news, Bill Kristol to be excommunicated.

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2012-11-11 04:16:27 PM  
3 votes:
Ok, listen people. We have GOT to stop telling the GOP why they lost this election. While it is true that they have spent the last 8 years in a political echo chamber - making up facts willy-nilly to conform to their own world views - it isn't until recently that those in power in the GOP actually started believing their own BS. The fact is, unpleasant as they may be, they are not stupid - their base is stupid but not them. We cannot let them learn from their mistakes. So, from now on when asked your opinion on why they got totally shellacked, plead ignorance. Say something like "Gee, boss, I don't know why you lost. Your policies and ideas are brilliant. You really should have won. It must have been a glitch in the Matrix or something, Boss." Got it? We can't afford for them to learn and adapt. They are too dangerous to teach.
2012-11-11 04:12:53 PM  
3 votes:
For anyone who is curious, this is the full list of Presidents who have won over 50% of the popular vote at least twice:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama
2012-11-11 03:36:42 PM  
3 votes:
They'll just keep doing what they've been doing. Republicans will win the house in 2014 because there isn't a figurehead on the ballot in the democrat party to bring people to the polls. The GOP might win the senate too because it's the same people up for election that won when Obama first won, again no figure head to draw people to the polls.

If the dems have any chance of winning a majority in the house, they must have control of the state legislatures when the 2020 census comes out AND liberals must control the supreme court before another epic fail like citizens united gets decided.
2012-11-11 03:28:43 PM  
3 votes:
So basically, Obama is liked by everyone except those who watch Fox News?
2012-11-11 08:53:55 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: That stinking commie Eisenhower and his damned Nazi-collectivist INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM! DAMN HIM!


Dude, seriously. Good Highway System or Best Damn Highway System.

I've road-tripped plenty, but not as much as my produce and goods have, and we all enjoy the benefit.

We need WPA 2.0.
2012-11-11 05:54:44 PM  
2 votes:

theknuckler_33: The only reason Clinton didn't achieve that is because of Ross Perot.


Yeah, but that's like saying "The only reason he didn't get 50% of the vote is because not enough people voted for him."
2012-11-11 03:40:28 PM  
2 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: they must have control of the state legislatures when the 2020 census comes


Just to add to this point, the Tea Party's sole purpose was to rally people to the polls in 2010 so that state legislatures could be controlled by republicans when the census came out thus ensuring easier control of the house for republicans.
2012-11-11 03:27:07 PM  
2 votes:
So, conservatives then?
2012-11-11 06:17:34 PM  
1 votes:
For your argument to really have a point, you could only really discount people who never had a chance to run for a second term.

Presidents that were elected once and then defeated in re-election - or opted not to run, such as Johnson - automatically have less of an electoral mandate than Obama by comparison because they lost.
2012-11-11 06:08:39 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Only if you want to obscure the fact that they were two elections where a statistically significant percentage of votes went to someone other than the two major candidates.


Would a major third party candidate had run for office at all had there been a major party candidate that had the broad appeal capable of securing greater than 50% of the vote in the first place?

Maybe, maybe not. The point isn't that there's some magical line that exists and Obama crossed it, only that there are only a few ways to measure a candidate's electoral mandate - and as flawed and open to criticism as any of them may be, securing over 50% of the popular vote (in addition to a solid electoral college victory) is about the best measurement we've got.

As Kristol said, elections have consequences, even ones where a candidate doesn't receive 50% of the vote. But Obama did, twice, and that's important.
2012-11-11 06:02:12 PM  
1 votes:

dywed88: Stone Meadow: quartercomma: Didn't FDR win 50% twice twice?

No...four times, which doesn't count by GOP math.

Oh wait...that IS "twice twice".

He won a majority of the popular vote in back to back elections, 3 times.


He also won three times in a row twice and four times in a row once.

And farking defeated Hitler, Imperial Japan, Republican obstructionism, and the Great Depression. From a wheelchair.

Reagan saved us from commies only a day's drive from Harlingen, TX, so he's clearly the better man in every way.
2012-11-11 05:57:48 PM  
1 votes:
Republicans decided they wanted to be the party of rich, white males and southern racists who think Leave it Beaver is a documentary.

You made your bed now thats it burning around you don't cry.
2012-11-11 05:43:09 PM  
1 votes:

dywed88: Stone Meadow: quartercomma: Didn't FDR win 50% twice twice?

No...four times, which doesn't count by GOP math.

Oh wait...that IS "twice twice".

He won a majority of the popular vote in back to back elections, 3 times.


Which is pretty amazing, as the American public was sick and tired of the war by '44. Still, they gave him the job again before more or less taking it out on Harry Truman. Good thing for Harry we had the bomb, as I question his will to invade Japan.
2012-11-11 05:09:18 PM  
1 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: tdpatriots12: clkeagle: Loaded Six String: Depending on which Roosevelt, Ike's probably my favorite on the list.

From the Headline: last century

Unless 2012 - 1904

Teddy Roosevelt was only elected once as President. His first administration was McKinley's. In the 1912 election, he split the Republican vote with Taft, and Wilson was elected. So he wouldn't have qualified for this achievement anyway.

That's always blown my mind, that America voted against a man as great as Teddy Roosevelt. Maybe he wasn't the godly figure then he's grown to today, but it really shows how pathetically attached we are to the two-party system.

KrispyKritter: i'll never forgive the americans who voted bedtime for bonzo into office. i live in fear that one day a different large group of morans will vote ashton kutcher into office.

I giggled at this, and then realized in advance this could happen, I apologize in advance for my generation if we do this.


Teddy got purged because he wasn't conservative enough.

Seriously, that's why he lost his (second?) reelection bid and why he had to run under the Bull Moose Party.


/in related news, a black man named Hussein who was raised by a single mom managed to not only run for President and win (twice), but he won with over fifty percent of the popular vote (both times) and got over 330 electoral votes out of 538 (both times)
2012-11-11 04:50:09 PM  
1 votes:

tdpatriots12: For anyone who is curious, this is the full list of Presidents who have won over 50% of the popular vote at least twice:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama


It is pretty tough to include the first four on that list. A large proportion of the population never had an opportunity to vote for or against them as many states had electors chosen by the state legislatures without an election. Jackson is the first where I would pay attention to the popular, with only 2 of 23 state legislatures selecting electors in his first election and 1 in the second.

Though, as he was unopposed, Washington definitely would have received over 50%.
2012-11-11 04:36:33 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: Not a stiff in the bunch, with the possible excepton of Grant.


Lush, not a stiff.

And McKinley's not all that impressive, at this range.
2012-11-11 04:34:22 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: quartercomma: Didn't FDR win 50% twice twice?

No...four times, which doesn't count by GOP math.

Oh wait...that IS "twice twice".


He won a majority of the popular vote in back to back elections, 3 times.
2012-11-11 04:17:52 PM  
1 votes:

tdpatriots12: For anyone who is curious, this is the full list of Presidents who have won over 50% of the popular vote at least twice:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama


Not a stiff in the bunch, with the possible excepton of Grant.
2012-11-11 04:16:28 PM  
1 votes:

tdpatriots12: For anyone who is curious, this is the full list of Presidents who have won over 50% of the popular vote at least twice:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama


That is quite the list.
2012-11-11 04:09:42 PM  
1 votes:

tdpatriots12: Teddy Roosevelt was only elected once as President. His first administration was McKinley's. In the 1912 election, he split the Republican vote with Taft, and Wilson was elected. So he wouldn't have qualified for this achievement anyway.


Right. I was thinking "presidential ticket," but then we'd have to count Garner, Nixon, Bush, and Biden on the list.
2012-11-11 04:07:16 PM  
1 votes:

clkeagle: Loaded Six String: Depending on which Roosevelt, Ike's probably my favorite on the list.

From the Headline: last century

Unless 2012 - 1904


Teddy Roosevelt was only elected once as President. His first administration was McKinley's. In the 1912 election, he split the Republican vote with Taft, and Wilson was elected. So he wouldn't have qualified for this achievement anyway.
2012-11-11 03:59:21 PM  
1 votes:

Loaded Six String: Depending on which Roosevelt, Ike's probably my favorite on the list.


From the Headline: last century

Unless 2012 - 1904
2012-11-11 03:57:04 PM  
1 votes:

Loaded Six String: Depending on which Roosevelt, Ike's probably my favorite on the list.


Franklin. Teddy was actually only elected president once (he took office when William McKinley was assassinated).
2012-11-11 03:54:48 PM  
1 votes:

Smelly McUgly: ...and Reagan is the only empty-suit moron in the whole bunch. But at least he proved why you should never vote for some Hollywood actor to fill the highest office in the land.


I'd like to think 1984 was done more as an Orwell tribute than actual democracy.
2012-11-11 03:48:57 PM  
1 votes:
...and Reagan is the only empty-suit moron in the whole bunch. But at least he proved why you should never vote for some Hollywood actor to fill the highest office in the land.
2012-11-11 03:48:10 PM  
1 votes:

Gordon Bennett: Not a particular surprise. Wilson, Nixon and Clinton all had a significant third party candidate splitting the vote in one or both of their races. W Bush in 2000 was a special case. The others were only elected once.


Kinda circular logic tho. There's *always* third party candidates. They only become "significant" when they get more votes. The variable of 3rd party choices is fairly constant, however, I'm pretty sure Obama would have broke 50% no matter who the third party choices were, and that's probably true for Reagan, FDR, and Eisenhower as well.
2012-11-11 03:40:15 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't FDR win 50% twice twice?
2012-11-11 03:34:25 PM  
1 votes:
The Obama White House has announced that Butt Hurt will be fully covered under Obamacare.
2012-11-11 03:28:49 PM  
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: So, three conservatives and Reagan?


FTFM
2012-11-11 03:28:24 PM  
1 votes:
Is this one of those gloating things that gets on the conservatives' nerves?
2012-11-11 02:36:34 PM  
1 votes:
I didnt realize the 1968 popular vote was so close.
2012-11-11 02:19:09 PM  
1 votes:
So...socialism?
2012-11-11 01:11:54 PM  
1 votes:
...ouch.
 
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