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2012-11-11 11:32:14 AM
Or people are waiting for the Win8 Pro tablet and Microsoft needs to hurry up with that.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:08 AM
Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.
 
2012-11-11 11:50:33 AM

Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.


So much THIS^
 
2012-11-11 12:57:27 PM

Howie Spankowitz: "trying too hard."


Whaddaya mean? Microsoft understands these youngsters.

i831.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 02:38:56 PM
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2012-11-11 02:42:55 PM

Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.


Oh yeah, that's beyond annoying.
But, for all the Apple haters who go on and on about Apple hipsters and Mac fanboys, look at how Macs and iPhone/iPads are marketed. It's all about dad taking pictures of the kids, staying in touch with friends, shiat like that. Whereas MS and Android marketing is all about how hip/young/fresh it all is. It's all techno music (is that still a thing? I dunno, I'm too old for that) and kids dancing. They're trying to market to who they think Apple's demographic is.
 
2012-11-11 03:22:31 PM

propasaurus: Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.

Oh yeah, that's beyond annoying.
But, for all the Apple haters who go on and on about Apple hipsters and Mac fanboys, look at how Macs and iPhone/iPads are marketed. It's all about dad taking pictures of the kids, staying in touch with friends, shiat like that. Whereas MS and Android marketing is all about how hip/young/fresh it all is. It's all techno music (is that still a thing? I dunno, I'm too old for that) and kids dancing. They're trying to market to who they think Apple's demographic is.


They seem identical to Apple ads to me. So they seem quite good on that.
 
2012-11-11 03:37:30 PM
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2012-11-11 04:11:25 PM
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2012-11-11 04:23:02 PM

MasterAdkins: Or people are waiting for the Win8 Pro tablet and Microsoft needs to hurry up with that.


As just a tablet, there's no reason to get a Surface over an iPad, or even over one of the better Android tablets. The interface is nice, but not that much better, and there are still very few apps for it. The whole point of the thing, it seems to me, is to be able to run full-scale computer applications if I need to.
 
2012-11-11 05:25:06 PM
Steve Ballmer says Surface sales off to a "modest" start. Translation: "Oh God we've made another terrible mistake"


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A sale is something a whore does for money...
 
2012-11-11 06:15:54 PM

jake_lex: The whole point of the thing, it seems to me, is to be able to run full-scale computer applications if I need to.


At which point, I'd probably rather have a laptop.

Also, after having used Win8 on a touchscreen, I've gotta say- it's not a really great touch-screen OS. Mind you, my touch-screen has a bezel, and Win8 isn't designed to work with a bezel. So many gestures focus on swiping in from the edge.

There's nothing bad about Win8, and honestly, nothing really bad about the Surface. But there's nothing really compelling about them, either.
 
2012-11-11 06:20:09 PM
Bought one yesterday.

It's pretty great.
 
2012-11-11 06:24:28 PM
My wife wants a Windows 8 tabtop/laplet, whatever we're supposed to call them. She told me the Surface would suit her nicely. It took me five minutes of research to say "no way" to the Surface. To be called a laptop it should be one solid piece and work sitting on your lap. This thing has a damn kickstand that seems to be required when using the keyboard. Meaning my wife would never be able to use it in bed, or on the couch, as a laptop. So I decided the Samsung Series 5 Slate would be better suited.

Windows 8 looks like it can be a bigger success than people are painting it to be, the form factor of the Surface is what's going to cause a real flop.
 
2012-11-11 06:24:57 PM
Is that man incapable of NOT looking like a Sith?
 
2012-11-11 06:25:42 PM

Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.


They're really no worse than Apple's commercials. If an Apple logo popped up at the end people would be fellating this sh*t.
 
2012-11-11 06:26:43 PM

RevCarter: Bought one yesterday.

It's pretty great.


There's a reason why the iAstroturfers are out in full force.
 
2012-11-11 06:28:48 PM
They seem to be having some quality-control problems with the cover.
 
2012-11-11 06:29:07 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-11 06:32:35 PM
I played around with a Surface this afternoon.

It's a nice gadget. Good screen, good form factor. I like the interface better than Apple's. The normal keypad was awful when I tried to type rapidly, but the keyboard with depressible keys was nice.

The problem is that it doesn't run legacy Windows software. People who wanted limited function tablets probably already bought one. People (like me) who want something more akin to a convertible laptop want the Surface Pro, which isn't out yet, or the Lenovo Yoga, which appears to be on backorder everywhere.
 
2012-11-11 06:35:24 PM
Two things are a deal breaker for me (though one is a simple software thing):

1 Not making iit so it can be a Media Center Extender like the 360. Bad move by not having this... Being able to sit on my porch or in my bedroom and watch live or recorded TV and movies would've been fantastic instead of getting another TV for my bedroom. Not only that, but MS can consider this a potential loss in sales... tout this as a selling point, and they could have had another desktop unit sale to act as the source for WMC. At the very least, they should include the Extender ability for free when people get the WMC paid version, since they are already going a la carte with that on Win8.

2) Not having the ability to connect a 360 controller to it. MS's cost is, what, maybe $2-$3 for that radio? With mobile platform gaming proven to be a big market, what better way to get developers and more of the traditional gamers on board with this piece of hardware? No more having to have fingerprint smudges on your tablet if you want to play something, now you (with up to 3 other friends, even) can play using the well-established 360 controller. If someone didn't have one, well, there's another unit moved for MS. Even if MS included it now and it didn't pick up until the second revision of the Surface, at least it is enough for developers to start working on it to get some real decent games on there. Be kind of cool to be on a flight, prop the Surface on your tray table using the kickstand, pull out your controller and play Portal or some other game. This was an opportunity to start not only finally getting their foot in the door in terms of mobile platform gaming, but hell, if it had that capability, it would be a serious edge to the competition. Not only that, but they could have also had their 360 TV-style remotes sold for people who like to just prop it up someplace for a while a watch some Netflix or something... The initial cost is near nothing compared to what they could have gained.

Anyways, had those two things been included with the Surface, yeah, I would've picked one up. Would've only been another hundred bucks or so compared to getting a new TV for the bedroom, running cable lines, etc. etc. The convenience of that function alone would just about be worth it.

Ah well.
 
2012-11-11 06:53:13 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.

They're really no worse than Apple's commercials. If an Apple logo popped up at the end people would be fellating this sh*t.


Actually thought those were iPad commercials. I even said aloud, "How exciting Apple... you've made a keyboard."
 
2012-11-11 06:55:52 PM

RoxtarRyan: Not having the ability to connect a 360 controller to it. MS's cost is, what, maybe $2-$3 for that radio? With mobile platform gaming proven to be a big market, what better way to get developers and more of the traditional gamers on board with this piece of hardware?


That is such a great idea, I'm not surprised Microsoft didn't do it.

Anyway, FWIW, I bought a google nexus 7 just the other day. Fantastic device. I'm fully sold on Android. I should be in MS's ideal market for this device, but they were too late to market like usual.

It's a shame MS can't make a breakthrough on anything with cool factor. They might actually be able to learn something if they did.
 
2012-11-11 06:58:26 PM
Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?
 
2012-11-11 07:09:41 PM
I'm waiting for the Pro.
 
2012-11-11 07:10:57 PM

s2s2s2: Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?


Nope. And you're not on a iPad either.
You may think it's awesome, buy it's just a stop gab until you get to a real computer.

Posted from my iPad.
 
2012-11-11 07:13:57 PM

GAT_00: propasaurus: Howie Spankowitz: Those Surface commercials with the techno music and the assdarts dancing around clicking the f*cking thing are beyond annoying. They scream "trying too hard." Like your aging uncle who tries to "hang out" with his teenage nieces and nephews at family get togethers, whose references are all about 5-10 years out of date.

Oh yeah, that's beyond annoying.
But, for all the Apple haters who go on and on about Apple hipsters and Mac fanboys, look at how Macs and iPhone/iPads are marketed. It's all about dad taking pictures of the kids, staying in touch with friends, shiat like that. Whereas MS and Android marketing is all about how hip/young/fresh it all is. It's all techno music (is that still a thing? I dunno, I'm too old for that) and kids dancing. They're trying to market to who they think Apple's demographic is.

They seem identical to Apple ads to me. So they seem quite good on that.


THIS^
 
2012-11-11 07:17:25 PM

s2s2s2: Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?


TapeMachine, if you are serious and not just being snarky.
 
2012-11-11 07:19:02 PM
count me in the "waiting for pro" segment.
 
2012-11-11 07:22:48 PM

RoxtarRyan: Two things are a deal breaker for me (though one is a simple software thing):

1 Not making iit so it can be a Media Center Extender like the 360. Bad move by not having this... Being able to sit on my porch or in my bedroom and watch live or recorded TV and movies would've been fantastic instead of getting another TV for my bedroom. Not only that, but MS can consider this a potential loss in sales... tout this as a selling point, and they could have had another desktop unit sale to act as the source for WMC. At the very least, they should include the Extender ability for free when people get the WMC paid version, since they are already going a la carte with that on Win8.

2) Not having the ability to connect a 360 controller to it. MS's cost is, what, maybe $2-$3 for that radio? With mobile platform gaming proven to be a big market, what better way to get developers and more of the traditional gamers on board with this piece of hardware? No more having to have fingerprint smudges on your tablet if you want to play something, now you (with up to 3 other friends, even) can play using the well-established 360 controller. If someone didn't have one, well, there's another unit moved for MS. Even if MS included it now and it didn't pick up until the second revision of the Surface, at least it is enough for developers to start working on it to get some real decent games on there. Be kind of cool to be on a flight, prop the Surface on your tray table using the kickstand, pull out your controller and play Portal or some other game. This was an opportunity to start not only finally getting their foot in the door in terms of mobile platform gaming, but hell, if it had that capability, it would be a serious edge to the competition. Not only that, but they could have also had their 360 TV-style remotes sold for people who like to just prop it up someplace for a while a watch some Netflix or something... The initial cost is near nothing compared to what they could have gained.

...


You can connect a wired controller to it, so in reality you can just not a wireless.
 
2012-11-11 07:32:12 PM

t3knomanser: There's nothing bad about Win8, and honestly, nothing really bad about the Surface. But there's nothing really compelling about them, either.


There's one thing wrong with them, and that's that they're from Microsoft. It'd be like buying a motorcycle designed and marketed by Caterpillar. Although that didn't stop people from buying Xboxes, so what do I know.
 
2012-11-11 07:34:18 PM
I'm waiting for the more powerful version.
 
2012-11-11 07:36:02 PM

machodonkeywrestler: s2s2s2: Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?

TapeMachine, if you are serious and not just being snarky.


Oh, I was being plenty snarky, but I will look into that. Thank you.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: s2s2s2: Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?

Nope. And you're not on a iPad either.
You may think it's awesome, buy it's just a stop gab until you get to a real computer.

Posted from my iPad.


This is true.
 
2012-11-11 07:36:19 PM
It seems odd to me that Apple makes take-it-or-leave-it products, but their commercials are about individual expression, while Microsoft has a you-can-do-anything-with-this approach to products, but their commercials make users look like cogs that would thrill Leni Riefenstahl.
 
2012-11-11 07:38:08 PM

machodonkeywrestler: s2s2s2: Hey guys, anyone working with any awesome music creation applications on their Android device?

TapeMachine, if you are serious and not just being snarky.


Also, have you any thoughts on RecForge?
 
2012-11-11 07:43:22 PM

Nicholas Urfe: I played around with a Surface this afternoon.

It's a nice gadget. Good screen, good form factor. I like the interface better than Apple's. The normal keypad was awful when I tried to type rapidly, but the keyboard with depressible keys was nice.

The problem is that it doesn't run legacy Windows software. People who wanted limited function tablets probably already bought one. People (like me) who want something more akin to a convertible laptop want the Surface Pro, which isn't out yet, or the Lenovo Yoga, which appears to be on backorder everywhere.


I agree. They really screwed the pooch by not making non-"Metro" apps available in the Store from the get go in order to differentiate it from other tablets which are strictly touchscreen only.

They also need to get the driver situation sorted out quick. I bought one for a work project, and my HP OfficeJet 8500, which works perfectly fine on WiFi with WIn 8, won't print over a network with WinRT. W. T. F. Being able to full featured printing out of the box would have been a HUGE advantage over the iPad, which only supports a specific set of AirPrint capable printers.
 
2012-11-11 07:44:37 PM
tablet-news.com

which looks like someone crossed a Moby album cover with Assassin's Creed.
 
2012-11-11 07:44:56 PM
And "Surface" can be turned into an anagram of "Farce Us" but...
 
2012-11-11 07:44:56 PM

Dear Jerk: It seems odd to me that Apple makes take-it-or-leave-it products, but their commercials are about individual expression, while Microsoft has a you-can-do-anything-with-this approach to products, but their commercials make users look like cogs that would thrill Leni Riefenstahl.


Apple makes things based on what people want things to do. This allows most people to create without having to hassle much with the mechanics of it, while still allowing for some greater level of control over the process, via app selection.
But working on older versions of Acid WMD SoundForge in Windows was still my fave.
 
2012-11-11 07:45:34 PM

Mad_Radhu: Nicholas Urfe: I played around with a Surface this afternoon.

It's a nice gadget. Good screen, good form factor. I like the interface better than Apple's. The normal keypad was awful when I tried to type rapidly, but the keyboard with depressible keys was nice.

The problem is that it doesn't run legacy Windows software. People who wanted limited function tablets probably already bought one. People (like me) who want something more akin to a convertible laptop want the Surface Pro, which isn't out yet, or the Lenovo Yoga, which appears to be on backorder everywhere.

I agree. They really screwed the pooch by not making non-"Metro" apps available in the Store from the get go in order to differentiate it from other tablets which are strictly touchscreen only.

They also need to get the driver situation sorted out quick. I bought one for a work project, and my HP OfficeJet 8500, which works perfectly fine on WiFi with WIn 8, won't print over a network with WinRT. W. T. F. Being able to full featured printing out of the box would have been a HUGE advantage over the iPad, which only supports a specific set of AirPrint capable printers.


HP needs to write an app for it, and besides you bought something that only three people have, you have to wait til there is a market.
 
2012-11-11 07:45:41 PM
The first Xbox was dildos.
They should have left the game market to Sony.

/sometimes these things take time. It's not like you'll unseat apple overnight.
/the real question is if the follow on devices will keep gaining traction.
 
2012-11-11 07:46:44 PM
I'm waiting for Windows 9, or whenever Microsoft realizes that Metro is just Bob 2.0.

Hah, just kidding. They'll never admit that, so it's Debian/Ubuntu for me.
 
2012-11-11 07:49:54 PM

theflatline: HP needs to write an app for it, and besides you bought something that only three people have, you have to wait til there is a market.


The HP print drivers for Win 8 are already there and integrated into the OS. They've had plenty of time to get them out there, so I don't understand what the hold up is for RT, unless there is a limitation in the OS that prevents them from writing them.
 
2012-11-11 08:00:43 PM

I Like Bread: I'm waiting for Windows 9, or whenever Microsoft realizes that Metro is just Bob 2.0.

Hah, just kidding. They'll never admit that, so it's Debian/Ubuntu for me.


I haven't installed (or used) a w8 (wait, get it) device yet, but every person I've talked to (in person) that has loves it. They said it takes a few hours to get used to, but once you are, it's great.

Windows 8 is here, it's weird, get used to it. If it hasn't already it will shortly surpass the install base of all OSx machines. 9 might tweak it, but it is the way of the future for the next decade.

//If apple introduced a similar interface it would be heralded as amazing and revolutionary.
 
2012-11-11 08:06:17 PM

mjbok: I Like Bread: I'm waiting for Windows 9, or whenever Microsoft realizes that Metro is just Bob 2.0.

Hah, just kidding. They'll never admit that, so it's Debian/Ubuntu for me.

I haven't installed (or used) a w8 (wait, get it) device yet, but every person I've talked to (in person) that has loves it. They said it takes a few hours to get used to, but once you are, it's great.

Windows 8 is here, it's weird, get used to it. If it hasn't already it will shortly surpass the install base of all OSx machines. 9 might tweak it, but it is the way of the future for the next decade.

//If apple introduced a similar interface it would be heralded as amazing and revolutionary.


As someone that has used the beta for a while; the interface sucks for a desktop system. Yes, you do learn your way around after using it for a while. The issue I have is, it offers nothing better then Win 7. I was talking to a MS employee last week, and he has the same feeling.
 
2012-11-11 08:13:28 PM
I've been using the trial of Windows 8 on my desktop and after installing Start8, disabling Metro, disabling the hot corners, using the UXTheme patcher and getting a somewhat Aero style theme back it's not too horrible. Then again I have yet to find a single reason to use it over Windows 7 and lots of reasons not too. I'll be switching back soon. Metro might be fine on tablets but this hybrid abomination is worthless on a desktop.
 
2012-11-11 08:13:45 PM
Steve Ballmer says Surface sales off to a "modest" start. Translation: "Oh God we've made another terrible mistake."

Him?
 
2012-11-11 08:17:00 PM

Hand Banana: I've been using the trial of Windows 8 on my desktop and after installing Start8, disabling Metro, disabling the hot corners, using the UXTheme patcher and getting a somewhat Aero style theme back it's not too horrible. Then again I have yet to find a single reason to use it over Windows 7 and lots of reasons not too. I'll be switching back soon. Metro might be fine on tablets but this hybrid abomination is worthless on a desktop.


That was basically my experience. Tried using Metro, didn't like it. Then I started applying patches and tweaks to get an actual desktop that was usable until I finally just said, "Why am I wasting time with this? I'll just go back to 7."

"but... but... you can type in the search box and find the application you want!" Right. Just like you could in Windows 7 and Vista.
 
2012-11-11 08:31:07 PM
Like everyone else, I'm waiting for Surface Pro so I can load up actual Windows software.

/deciding whether or not to go to Impossible/Ironman difficulty in XCom:EU... Classic is too easy, but Impossible drives me nuts right now
 
2012-11-11 08:44:05 PM
Tablets are 99% toys for people to play with and show off. The iPad does all the toy stuff that people want. If it costs the same as an iPad and doesn't say, automatically notify me of supermodels on heat in the local area, why should I buy one?
 
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