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2012-11-11 12:01:33 PM  
If the researchers were assessing for subjectively assessed behavior like 'bounciness', it should have been double-blinded.
 
2012-11-11 12:07:14 PM  
Here's the paper in Scientific Reports.
 
2012-11-11 12:10:50 PM  
/puts a cell phone on top of a bag of microwave popcorn
 
2012-11-11 12:13:19 PM  
I'm confused. How can the world have almost as many cell phone subscriptions as occupants? Do lots of people have multiple subscriptions?

Otherwise, every baby, remote Amazon rainforest dweller, prisoner, and Amish person would need to have one.
 
2012-11-11 12:13:36 PM  
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2012-11-11 12:18:27 PM  

Aces and Eights: I'm confused. How can the world have almost as many cell phone subscriptions as occupants? Do lots of people have multiple subscriptions?

Otherwise, every baby, remote Amazon rainforest dweller, prisoner, and Amish person would need to have one.


Yes. I can't speak for stats but nearly everyone in east Africa had one (from personal experience), and while I was travelling in the middle east it appears most people had 2 or 3. Not sure why.

There are many 2 or 3 number holders in western nations too - home + work.
 
2012-11-11 12:20:41 PM  

Aces and Eights: remote Amazon rainforest dweller,


I think you underestimate how prevalent cellphones have become in the third world.
 
2012-11-11 12:21:01 PM  

Aces and Eights: Do lots of people have multiple subscriptions?


A regular phone, a couple of prepaid 'burners' for your Craigslist transactions, OnStar in your car, a 3G e-book reader, ...
 
2012-11-11 12:23:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Here's the paper in Scientific Reports.


So what saying is:
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?
 
2012-11-11 12:25:58 PM  
crystalmoth.com
 
2012-11-11 12:30:42 PM  
mooreslore.corante.com
 
2012-11-11 12:30:53 PM  
Wow OK--I clearly have been out of touch with reality.

Note to self: get more cell phone subscriptions.
 
2012-11-11 12:33:48 PM  

Now I Is!: Ivo Shandor: Here's the paper in Scientific Reports.

So what saying is:
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?


Bears repeating.
 
2012-11-11 12:34:46 PM  
So, who want the job of pulling the splinters out of her puss?
 
2012-11-11 12:37:10 PM  
i36.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 12:37:53 PM  
media.chick.com
 
2012-11-11 12:49:05 PM  
"In half the mice, the cellphone was active and in half of the ... cages the cellphone was turned off so it wasn't transmitting a signal at all,"

Sure, that's what the government wants you to think!
 
2012-11-11 12:51:55 PM  
It'll be nice to see replicate studies to determine if the effect is real.

/I never believe just one study.
 
2012-11-11 12:52:37 PM  

Maus III: [media.chick.com image 458x235]


What the hell is that from?
 
2012-11-11 12:54:21 PM  
If you want your kids to have weird super powers, be sure to keep your cell phone near pregnant loved ones

I don't understand... are my irradiated loved ones going to gift my children with super powers?
 
2012-11-11 12:54:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "In half the mice, the cellphone was active and in half of the ... cages the cellphone was turned off so it wasn't transmitting a signal at all,"

Sure, that's what the government wants you to think!


If I didn't know better I'd say you were some sort of conspiracy theorist. But I do know better and i know that cellphones are not off until the battery has been removed. Just turning it off does not prevent anyone with the right equipment / authorisation from tracking the phone.
 
2012-11-11 01:00:11 PM  
This is why I never let my fetus talk on the phone.
 
2012-11-11 01:00:46 PM  
If you want your kid to come out super awesome, play Japanese speed metal in the womb 24/7.
 
2012-11-11 01:01:19 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Approves
 
2012-11-11 01:02:09 PM  
In the 1970's I had a CB radio in my car. When I keyed the mike, a fluorescent light bulb (the long ones -- CFL's weren't invented yet) placed next to the antenna, would light up.

A friend of mine touched the antenna of another car, transmitting with a 'linear' (power booster) and burned his fingers. The antenna was not physically hot.

By the time microwave ovens hit the stores, we knew these invisible waves could do harm. The ovens were and are, shielded.

Now, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.

Your brain, under the cement skull, is about the consistency of a hard boiled egg.

The doses of radiation might be minute, but the signal still has to reach a cell tower, which can be miles away, meaning it has a lot of power. Plus, your cell also has to be able to send it's signal through most buildings, built of cement, steel and wire.

I don't know, but logic seems to dictate that with your brain centimeters away from the antenna, the more bursts of radio energy, in whatever form, you fire through it, just might start having cooked cells.

Fetal tissue is even more delicate. The baby is protected somewhat by the layers of abdominal fat and muscle of the mother, plus the amniotic fluid, but the cellular structure is still fragile.

So, that lady you see riding around a department store in one of their industrial grade scooters, cell phone plastered to her ear, yapping loudly for around 30 minutes is more than likely frying her brain. If pregnant, she's happily cooking some of her infant's brain before the bugger can even make an appearance.

(Which might answer a whole lot of questions about some folks.)

In the past, we've happily used assorted things that turned out to be anywhere from potentially harmful to downright deadly and blissfully didn't know this, especially when Corporations decided that informing us just might decrease their sales.

Lead -- especially used as water pipes and solder, shot for shotguns, PVC in plastics used for food containers and water bottles, a widely used pesticide -- DDT -- that worked wonders -- but affected future generations of animals and people by not going away, asbestos (it's natural and Organic!), and little things like spreading used motor oil along dirt roads to settle the dust in summer. Don't forget the Automobile Industry, which, nearly since it's invention, has ignored, hidden, glossed over and covered up dangers in their products to boost sales. The Corvair comes to mind.

There was a huge resistance to lead controls, especially from the paint industries. Lead based paints were more durable -- even if they slowly poisoned everyone in the vicinity. So much resistance came from the Industrial sector -- who foresaw the huge expense of having to repaint their heavy duty machinery more frequently with non-lead paint, that a compromise was reached. Lead paint is still used for industrial purposes only.

Like on that tractor you bought for your farm.

When someone hands us a 'magical, labor saving device' we nearly always choose to overlook any potential dangers involved. Most of us do not even consider future ramifications. By the time we start dropping dead or spawning an unusually high rate of really stupid kids, we still fight to disprove the obvious.

Who knew those marvelous computers could eventually steal your identity, ruin your lives, spy on you, expose your secrets to billions globally and even allow strangers thousands of miles away to drive your kid to suicide and turn thousands more into basically drooling, energy drink swilling, Doritos's chomping, couch sitting game players, hidden away from the sun and fresh air?

(I never thought I'd see the day when two young ADULTS went to court because one stole the other's expensive 'toy' -- an X-box. Now, game related court cases are so common, that they're boring.)

Maybe our brains are getting cooked a lot faster than we know.
 
2012-11-11 01:02:44 PM  

DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: "In half the mice, the cellphone was active and in half of the ... cages the cellphone was turned off so it wasn't transmitting a signal at all,"

Sure, that's what the government wants you to think!

If I didn't know better I'd say you were some sort of conspiracy theorist. But I do know better and i know that cellphones are not off until the battery has been removed. Just turning it off does not prevent anyone with the right equipment / authorisation from tracking the phone.


How can they track it if it's off?
 
2012-11-11 01:12:34 PM  

Aces and Eights: I'm confused. How can the world have almost as many cell phone subscriptions as occupants? Do lots of people have multiple subscriptions?

Otherwise, every baby, remote Amazon rainforest dweller, prisoner, and Amish person would need to have one.


In my house there are 4 people and 8 cellular devices. My wife, myself, and our two teen boys each have a smartphone. I also have a work issued phone and cellular usb modem. The ADT security system has a built in cell. We also have a laptop with an unactivated built in cell modem.

No iPads or other tablets with cell service or anything like that, and only 7 of the 8 devices are activated, but still that is a 2 to 1 ratio.
 
2012-11-11 01:14:45 PM  

erewhon: If the researchers were assessing for subjectively assessed behavior like 'bounciness', it should have been double-blinded.


Is there any indication it wasn't? You (and I) haven't bothered to read the paper itself: Tamir S. Aldad, Geliang Gan, Xiao-Bing Gao, Hugh S. Taylor. Fetal Radiofrequency Radiation Exposure From 800-1900 Mhz-Rated Cellular Telephones Affects Neurodevelopment and Behavior in Mice. Scientific Reports, 2012; 2 DOI: 10.1038/srep00312

But a quick search for "blind" finds some things. There ya go.
 
2012-11-11 01:19:03 PM  
There is some evidence that cellphones affect sperm count and motility.

Link
 
2012-11-11 01:39:43 PM  

Now I Is!: So what saying is:


In this case it's an open-access journal so "The Internets" are just a few clicks away from the unfiltered Research if they want it, and if they have enough remaining attention span to read it. Still no cure for local news or grandmas.

Rik01: Now, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.


I'm not saying it's a good idea to beam any of them into your brain, but power levels matter. A cell phone is a couple of watts, your CB might have been 50W, and a microwave oven is around 1000W.
 
2012-11-11 01:44:52 PM  

Rik01: ow, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.



Has anyone ever felt something in their ear crack, and start to bleed, after cell phone use?
 
2012-11-11 02:06:45 PM  

iaazathot: There is some evidence that cellphones affect sperm count and motility.

Link


You need to stop teabagging your cellphone.
 
2012-11-11 02:07:10 PM  

WeenerGord: Rik01: ow, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.


Has anyone ever felt something in their ear crack, and start to bleed, after cell phone use?


Yes, usually after talking to a Republican.
 
2012-11-11 02:44:10 PM  
Will Wi-Fi routers turn my kid into Jason Bourne?
 
2012-11-11 02:50:33 PM  
RiK01 shares many words of wisdom in their post. Sad thing is, there's no escaping the madness. You may try to minimize your exposure but if you're in the USA for example good luck finding an area not affected by man made devices altering your environment. Good luck finding clean air and clean water. Go outside and look around you. We are surrounded by many people who have less sense than farm animals. Mankind's destructive nature seems to have no limitations.
 
2012-11-11 02:57:57 PM  

Rik01: Now, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.


So can sunlight and a light bulb and even the infrared energy given off by your loved ones. With enough energy everything will in fact cook you to death.

In other words your argument is idiotic since energy levels matter.
 
2012-11-11 03:04:08 PM  
"Cellphone manufacturers, including Blackberry and Apple, also say consumers should keep devices away from the body due to potential safety risks but these warnings often go unnoticed because they are featured in device manuals."

Yeah, let me just reach into these fume hood gloves to remotely operate my phone
 
2012-11-11 03:15:26 PM  
It doesn't seem like they took into account the possibility of noise from the electronics rather than the speakers. A deactivated (which I take to mean turned off) phone will lack any of the fun high frequency noise that a working phone would have. Even turning off the antenna would cause the noise level to go down. Mice have much better hearing than humans so I'd guess they'd be much more likely to hear such noise.

Plenty of people, especially those who are younger and thus have better hearing, can hear the annoying high pitched whine of some electronics like CRTs and florescent light power supplies.

They claim that stress wasn't a factor but one of the comments on the nature site questions the validity of their methodology and analysis on this point.
 
2012-11-11 03:59:43 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: erewhon: If the researchers were assessing for subjectively assessed behavior like 'bounciness', it should have been double-blinded.

Is there any indication it wasn't? You (and I) haven't bothered to read the paper itself: Tamir S. Aldad, Geliang Gan, Xiao-Bing Gao, Hugh S. Taylor. Fetal Radiofrequency Radiation Exposure From 800-1900 Mhz-Rated Cellular Telephones Affects Neurodevelopment and Behavior in Mice. Scientific Reports, 2012; 2 DOI: 10.1038/srep00312

But a quick search for "blind" finds some things. There ya go.


At work, no access except this wonderful iPhone, and then only if you go outside and stand just...right...

/lunch break yay vending machines
 
2012-11-11 04:07:24 PM  

Ivo Shandor: I'm not saying it's a good idea to beam any of them into your brain, but power levels matter. A cell phone is a couple of watts, your CB might have been 50W, and a microwave oven is around 1000W.


Actually modern cell phones are down around 0.2 watts and not only does power matter (the 1000 W oven is 5000 times more powerful) but frequency matters a whole bunch too. x-rays, cosmic rays, etc are ionizing energy, they can cause cell and DNA damage, radio and microwaves aren't. We have been bombarded by the radio station's broadcasts for decades with no known effects.
 
2012-11-11 04:10:37 PM  

Honest Bender: DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: "In half the mice, the cellphone was active and in half of the ... cages the cellphone was turned off so it wasn't transmitting a signal at all,"

Sure, that's what the government wants you to think!

If I didn't know better I'd say you were some sort of conspiracy theorist. But I do know better and i know that cellphones are not off until the battery has been removed. Just turning it off does not prevent anyone with the right equipment / authorisation from tracking the phone.

How can they track it if it's off?


It is not off, unless you remove the battery it is on standby and it will still send and receive data in order to maintain a connection to the towers. If you have access to the records from the towers it is an easy triangulation to get the approximate location of the telephone. Since the data send by the telephone is wireless anyone within a certain radius can listen in on it and they can track your phone if they know which signature to look for.

Conclusion; if you go to a protest and you expect things to turn sour, something remove the battery from your phone before entering the area or leave it at home.

/No one cares about where you were
 
2012-11-11 04:46:26 PM  

Rik01: In the 1970's I had a CB radio in my car. When I keyed the mike, a fluorescent light bulb (the long ones -- CFL's weren't invented yet) placed next to the antenna, would light up.

A friend of mine touched the antenna of another car, transmitting with a 'linear' (power booster) and burned his fingers. The antenna was not physically hot.

By the time microwave ovens hit the stores, we knew these invisible waves could do harm. The ovens were and are, shielded.

Now, carry this tidbit of knowledge along and you realize that, changing the frequency, packing it all into a hand held device with a booster and condensed antenna, means your cell phone might not light up a fluorescent bulb, but placed right next to your head, it's going to emit radiation that, in one form, can cook an egg.

Your brain, under the cement skull, is about the consistency of a hard boiled egg.

The doses of radiation might be minute, but the signal still has to reach a cell tower, which can be miles away, meaning it has a lot of power. Plus, your cell also has to be able to send it's signal through most buildings, built of cement, steel and wire.

I don't know, but logic seems to dictate that with your brain centimeters away from the antenna, the more bursts of radio energy, in whatever form, you fire through it, just might start having cooked cells.

Fetal tissue is even more delicate. The baby is protected somewhat by the layers of abdominal fat and muscle of the mother, plus the amniotic fluid, but the cellular structure is still fragile.

So, that lady you see riding around a department store in one of their industrial grade scooters, cell phone plastered to her ear, yapping loudly for around 30 minutes is more than likely frying her brain. If pregnant, she's happily cooking some of her infant's brain before the bugger can even make an appearance.

(Which might answer a whole lot of questions about some folks.)

In the past, we've happily used assorted things that turned out to be anywhere fro ...



Wow. shiat comes out your mouth instead of out into your pants.

amazing.
 
2012-11-11 05:34:06 PM  

LovingTeacher: Actually modern cell phones are down around 0.2 watts and not only does power matter (the 1000 W oven is 5000 times more powerful) but frequency matters a whole bunch too. x-rays, cosmic rays, etc are ionizing energy, they can cause cell and DNA damage, radio and microwaves aren't.


Microwaves aren't ionizing on a per-photon basis, but they're perfectly capable of it when you cram enough of them together and mix in a few electrons. Put a light bulb in a microwave oven if you don't believe this (or watch someone else do it on youtube).

Splitting DNA is one way to damage a cell, but it's not the only possibility. Hypothetically, what if an induced electromagnetic field was able to make some important protein fold incorrectly? You're not breaking any chemical bonds, just pushing the charged regions around a bit so that the molecule ends up in a different final state.

DerAppie: It is not off, unless you remove the battery it is on standby and it will still send and receive data in order to maintain a connection to the towers.


I doubt it, unless you have been targeted ahead of time and someone has loaded custom firmware onto your phone. There's no reason for an "off" phone to have any of its RF circuits powered up. It would drain the battery, and it would cause problems on airplanes or in hospitals where transmitters are supposed to be turned off.
 
2012-11-11 05:34:51 PM  
It's no wonder that the number of papers getting retracted due to bad science outnumber the ones that make it through publishing completely unscathed 3 to 1.

Apparently, they don't teach physics at Yale. And a little, neat thing called the Photoelectric effect. But more importantly, they don't seem to teach something even more important... The preponderance of evidence. And in this case, the preponderance of evidence points seriously against this story.

And people wonder why no one trusts the biomed field anymore.
 
2012-11-11 06:10:20 PM  
I've said for years there is a connection between cell phones and all this autism, but someone always shows up and says nu uh.
 
2012-11-11 06:44:24 PM  

Ivo Shandor: DerAppie: It is not off, unless you remove the battery it is on standby and it will still send and receive data in order to maintain a connection to the towers.

I doubt it, unless you have been targeted ahead of time and someone has loaded custom firmware onto your phone. There's no reason for an "off" phone to have any of its RF circuits powered up. It would drain the battery, and it would cause problems on airplanes or in hospitals where transmitters are supposed to be turned off.


I've done some googling:

Depending on your phone and the settings it might or might not be possible to track it if you turned it "off." Some phones do go to a standby state for features such as a timer which can turn the phone on again so it can run the alarm clock and some do not. Since it can't be completely off to run these features, it can be tracked.

I retract the blanket statement and replace it with the more nuanced one in this post.
 
2012-11-11 06:56:04 PM  

DerAppie: It is not off, unless you remove the battery


"They can still track you if your phone is off!"
"How can they track you if it's off?"
"Because it's not off!"

Ok, crazy dude. I'm not going to argue around in circles if you're just going to lie in your original thesis...
 
2012-11-11 11:05:16 PM  

Burke Turkey: Yes. I can't speak for stats but nearly everyone in east Africa had one (from personal experience), and while I was travelling in the middle east it appears most people had 2 or 3. Not sure why..


Not sure if serious...? You don't know why? I an calling bullshiat. You did not go to Africa.
 
2012-11-11 11:24:10 PM  

freewill: Will Wi-Fi routers turn my kid into Jason Bourne?


Screw that. I want mine to turn me into Cole from inFamous. A device that emits radiation and turns me into a superhero.
 
2012-11-11 11:45:03 PM  
I don't use a cellphone, am I safe??

No.
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