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(Daily Mail)   Not sure what your kids are doing? UK database has the personal info on 8 million schoolchildren and is gathering more everyday, and sharing with authorities; for your own good   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 60
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2012-11-11 01:05:40 PM  
They're gathering more everyday semi-colon mistakes, apparently.
 
2012-11-11 01:06:47 PM  
The greater good. THE GREATER GOOD.
 
2012-11-11 01:09:42 PM  
No need to worry, Mate, so long as your child is a member of the Young Pioneers, Comrade!
 
2012-11-11 01:10:26 PM  
Remember, remember...
 
2012-11-11 01:10:36 PM  
For those of you not OK with this, the US is quickly headed in this direction.
 
2012-11-11 01:11:17 PM  
Don't worry parents, we just need those fingerprints, DNA sample, voice imprint, face and profile pictures, and a retinal scan because... predators.
 
2012-11-11 01:13:45 PM  
Don't worry, it's the daily fail. Next week they'll be screaming that the database needs more information because of child abuse.
 
2012-11-11 01:13:55 PM  

zepher: For those of you not OK with this, the US is quickly headed in this direction.


The US is already in this direction. They just don't blab about it to the media...
 
2012-11-11 01:14:20 PM  
Also this is priceless -

'A separate software program called API can allow external officials such as social workers to access a child's information.'
 
2012-11-11 01:15:00 PM  
There are definitely some people out there thinking WAY too much about the children..
And they need to take a seat..Over there..
 
2012-11-11 01:15:59 PM  
I'm not okay with this but when you start posting all your personal information for the world to see, what do you expect the government to do?

It's like holding a bleeding baby seal in front of a polar bear and expecting it not to eat it.
 
2012-11-11 01:16:02 PM  
Say it isn't so! The school system has a database with every child's age, sex, behavioral AND academic records! Oh the huge manatees!

Not sure how this is even interesting, let alone news. Even when I was a kid, "This is going on your permanent record." was a not-too-uncommon threat. Is the shocking part that now they're all in one database on those new-fangled computers? The audacity.

Just about every "story" that Fark links to on that website seems like contrived, invented news. It should be banninated.
 
2012-11-11 01:17:05 PM  
csimg.choozen.co.uk
 
2012-11-11 01:18:03 PM  

Dinkledort: Say it isn't so! The school system has a database with every child's age, sex, behavioral AND academic records! Oh the huge manatees!

Not sure how this is even interesting, let alone news. Even when I was a kid, "This is going on your permanent record." was a not-too-uncommon threat. Is the shocking part that now they're all in one database on those new-fangled computers? The audacity.

Just about every "story" that Fark links to on that website seems like contrived, invented news. It should be banninated.


I'd say that was a pretty good troll up until the last line. Ya dun goofed, it was too obvious.
 
2012-11-11 01:18:13 PM  

Gothnet: Also this is priceless -

'A separate software program called API can allow external officials such as social workers to access a child's information.'


Journalists: informing you in the dumbest way possible since 1776.
 
2012-11-11 01:20:29 PM  
But they have Universal Health care so that makes it OK.

It would seem that people want to be cared for more than they want to be free.
 
2012-11-11 01:20:35 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: [csimg.choozen.co.uk image 300x300]


farm4.staticflickr.com

so there.
 
2012-11-11 01:21:59 PM  
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP THINKING OF THE CHILDREN?!
 
2012-11-11 01:25:10 PM  

zepher: For those of you not OK with this, the US is quickly headed in this direction.

-=-
They just have to break us all down, just like a horse, before we get some oats. And they are doing a good job at it too.

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2012-11-11 01:27:13 PM  

Dinkledort: Say it isn't so! The school system has a database with every child's age, sex, behavioral AND academic records! Oh the huge manatees!

Not sure how this is even interesting, let alone news. Even when I was a kid, "This is going on your permanent record." was a not-too-uncommon threat. Is the shocking part that now they're all in one database on those new-fangled computers? The audacity.


It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.
 
2012-11-11 01:29:47 PM  
"A separate software program called API can allow external officials
such as social workers to access a child's information."

bahahaha
 
2012-11-11 01:33:59 PM  

anthos: The greater good. THE GREATER GOOD.


THE SPECIES!
 
2012-11-11 01:34:55 PM  
Oh noes, it has details of their AGE! And their GENDER! And if they BEHAVE or not!!! PANIC IN THE STREETS!!!
 
2012-11-11 01:39:13 PM  

Suede head: Oh noes, it has details of their AGE! And their GENDER! And if they BEHAVE or not!!! PANIC IN THE STREETS!!!


NANNY STATE GONE WILD!1!!
 
2012-11-11 01:42:58 PM  

logic523: They're gathering more everyday semi-colon mistakes, apparently.


What he/she said. It actually hurt to read the headline.
 
2012-11-11 01:43:43 PM  
Orwell was right,just off on the date.
 
2012-11-11 01:48:08 PM  

Snarfangel: WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP THINKING OF THE CHILDREN?!


obeygiant.com
No.
 
2012-11-11 01:50:36 PM  
It's like a pedophile dating site. Or cafeteria. Or something.
 
2012-11-11 01:53:49 PM  
A democrat's Utopia.

Whatever, I'm not breaking any laws, derp!
 
2012-11-11 01:59:23 PM  

anthos: The greater good. THE GREATER GOOD.


Shut it!
 
2012-11-11 02:00:00 PM  

traylor: It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.


In the UK? You sure about that?
 
2012-11-11 02:00:42 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's like a pedophile dating site. Or cafeteria. Or something.


It's perfect for the pedophile with Internets search who wants to query for troubled youth to befriend and manipulate.
 
2012-11-11 02:12:40 PM  

traylor: It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.


You sure about that?
Because many, many states collect just about the same information and keep it in a giant database when you purchase a handgun.
And with new Obama appointments to the SCOTUS this will be extended to a national database on all guns.
 
2012-11-11 02:21:41 PM  

Rindred: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's like a pedophile dating site. Or cafeteria. Or something.

It's perfect for the pedophile with Internets search who wants to query for troubled youth to befriend and manipulate.


Don't worry. Elected officials can usually get their children left off the database. "high risk" hacker targets or some such.

I wish I were joking...
 
2012-11-11 02:24:49 PM  
Lighten up, Francis. Some agencies tabulate statistics. Comes in handy when you need information.
 
2012-11-11 02:25:36 PM  
Doesn't every school system in every country keep records on the kids they are teaching?
 
2012-11-11 02:34:31 PM  

Honest Bender: zepher: For those of you not OK with this, the US is quickly headed in this direction.

The US is already in this direction. They just don't blab about it to the media...


QFT, and then some.
 
2012-11-11 02:38:22 PM  

zepher: traylor: It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.

You sure about that?
Because many, many states collect just about the same information and keep it in a giant database when you purchase a handgun.
And with new Obama appointments to the SCOTUS this will be extended to a national database on all guns.


Erm got a cite for that? The 1986 FOPA prevents that as far as I know. Multiple handgun purchases within a set time set off an NCIS alert, but they cannot legally collect that information.
 
2012-11-11 02:42:45 PM  

KrispyKritter: Lighten up, Francis. Some agencies tabulate statistics. Comes in handy when you need information.


I think that the facts that the database was secret, done without the parent's knowledge -therfore consent and the fact that is used for more that statistical purposes is the cause for concern.

If it no big deal why did they try to keep it secret? 

Your line of thinking is whywe get things like indefinite detention, The Patriot Act, warrant-less wiretaps etc.
 
2012-11-11 02:44:54 PM  
i.huffpost.com
Approves, because children need to be watched, touched, and admired lovingly.
 
2012-11-11 02:48:51 PM  

ChuDogg: traylor: It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.

In the UK? You sure about that?


zepher:
You sure about that?


Good questions there. I'm only 99% sure. I know these are the laws in Hungary, and they were made to ensure conformity with EU laws. So I guess there are very similar laws in the UK.

On a side note, the problem here is that they are collecting data (or a combination of data) that can be used to identify a person with high probability (aka personal data). Name and DOB, SSN, street address, IP address, face photos all fall into this category. You need to fill a special form where you declare what information you collect for what purpose and what is the particular law that allows you to do that, and you also need to name the person who will be responsibly that everything is done according to laws. Without this you are facing fines or jail time. And there are also special laws for sensitive informations, such as race and ethnicity, sexual and religious affinity, health, political views, etc.
 
2012-11-11 02:55:19 PM  
Oh and btw here's a wiki link to the basics of EU's laws on personal data protection.

Link
 
2012-11-11 03:01:46 PM  
"Let me tell you this, the whole planet is leaking. Everybody is leaking. Everyone is spewing up their guts onto the internet, putting up their relationship status and photos of their vajazzles. We have come to a point where there are people, millions of people, who are quite happy to trade a kidney in order to go on television, and to show people their knickers, to show people their skid-marks, and then complain to OK Magazine about a breach of privacy. The exchange of private information, that is what drives our economy, but you come after me because you can't arrest a land mass, can you? You can't cuff a country? You can't lynch that guy there, can you? But you decide you can sit there and you can judge, and you can ogle me like a Page 3 girl. You don't like it. Well, you don't like yourself. You don't like your species. And you know what? Neither do I. But how dare you come and lay this at my door. How dare you blame me...for this. Which is the result of a political class which has given up on morality and simply pursues popularity at all costs. I am you, and you are me." - Malcolm Tucker
 
2012-11-11 03:12:34 PM  
Still better than a farking courier.
 
2012-11-11 03:24:47 PM  
two working parents
a second generation of latch key children
Degenerate media influence.
The mind pollution of the internet (god i do so love 4chan though)

In the absence of parents, their disdain for discipline in the school system and a general lack of supervisorvision leading to jouvenille deliquency...what do you expect.
 
2012-11-11 03:28:43 PM  

traylor: It is against the law to collect personal information this way. Particularly, without clearly defining the purpose of the database and who will be allowed in what circumstances to access the information, and it is especially unlawful to do this without the prior consent of the parents.


The Data Protection Act lays down strict rules about the collection, storage, security and destruction of information, but there is absolutely nothing to stop schools or local education authorities keeping information on children in their care. In fact, I'd be astonished if any weren't doing it. In this case the Daily Mail shock and outrages seems to come from the fact that one company is running a lot of these databases. Big deal.
 
2012-11-11 03:31:04 PM  

traylor: On a side note, the problem here is that they are collecting data (or a combination of data) that can be used to identify a person with high probability (aka personal data). Name and DOB, SSN, street address, IP address, face photos all fall into this category. You need to fill a special form where you declare what information you collect for what purpose and what is the particular law that allows you to do that, and you also need to name the person who will be responsibly that everything is done according to laws.


No official permission from the authorities is needed to collect information. You do have to make sure that you use it properly, and you have to let people see the information you hold on them.
 
2012-11-11 03:42:21 PM  

orbister: traylor: On a side note, the problem here is that they are collecting data (or a combination of data) that can be used to identify a person with high probability (aka personal data). Name and DOB, SSN, street address, IP address, face photos all fall into this category. You need to fill a special form where you declare what information you collect for what purpose and what is the particular law that allows you to do that, and you also need to name the person who will be responsibly that everything is done according to laws.

No official permission from the authorities is needed to collect information. You do have to make sure that you use it properly, and you have to let people see the information you hold on them.


Under the DPA you have to say that you are collecting the information as well.

Before the derp gets into full swing the only way this information can be shared is either with permision of the data subject or via statutory need. So the social servaces or police can't just ask for information they must have a legal need for it.

Capita could ingnore it but vialating the DPA is a personal offence so you are just as liable as the company you work for. £500,000 fine for the company and jail time for the person.
 
2012-11-11 04:12:52 PM  

orbister: there is absolutely nothing to stop schools or local education authorities keeping information on children in their care. In fact, I'd be astonished if any weren't doing it. In this case the Daily Mail shock and outrages seems to come from the fact that one company is running a lot of these databases. Big deal.


It's one thing that they collect and keep personal information that is needed to run their business. It's quite a different thing if they let third parties access the database for undefined purposes.

orbister: No official permission from the authorities is needed to collect information.


Sorry I didn't know that. I hoped that it was similar to our laws. (In Hungary you do have to register yourself at a government office, although there are exceptions to this law.)
 
2012-11-11 04:24:17 PM  

Norfolking Chance: No official permission from the authorities is needed to collect information. You do have to make sure that you use it properly, and you have to let people see the information you hold on them.

Under the DPA you have to say that you are collecting the information as well.


True, but have have to tell the subject, not the authorities. Sorry, should have been clearer.
 
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