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(Kansas City)   Tea Party economics in the state of Kansas have resulted in massive deficits, draining of the rainy day fund, and set up massive cuts to education and social services. The Tea Party solution: tax cuts   (kansascity.com ) divider line
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2012-11-11 01:38:24 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'

If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.


Somebody needs a hug.
 
2012-11-11 01:38:39 PM  
Yup knew it Kansas is set to implode.
 
2012-11-11 01:42:52 PM  

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'

If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.

Somebody needs a hug.


Here, let me move my wallet to my front pocket.
 
2012-11-11 01:43:38 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: cirby: Oddly, there's not much mention of the $13.4 billion dollar budget. Which could be cut by a mere five percent to save that $707 million. It's a shame the Kansas state budget is so well-designed that they can't manage to cut five percent off of it within a year or so

Oh they'll find someplace to cut that $707M. They'll find it in places like medicaid, education, child protective services, welfare, and university funding. Next year they'll be faced with a similar situation and so will go on another round of cuts and repeat this annually until the state is an ignorant, impoverished backwater that subsists on federal farm subsidies.


As a Kansas resident I can say the budget has already been slashed and slashed again. It has been bad and is just going to get worse. The wait at the DMV can EASILY be over 6 hours. I have a friend (quadriplegic) who can find caregivers any longer because the state wont pay a living wage. I love my little Johnson County suburb, but we might have to move.
 
2012-11-11 01:48:33 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'

If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.

Somebody needs a hug.

Here, let me move my wallet to my front pocket.


i18.photobucket.com

The Moon Cannot Be Stolen

Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.

Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."

The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.

Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."
 
2012-11-11 01:54:17 PM  
The best part about how angry chimpsky is is this.

All the things he hates are going to continue to happen. We don't even need to argue with him. Just enjoy the fact that he's going to hate the world he lives in for his entire life.
 
2012-11-11 01:58:44 PM  
You think Kansas is bad? Try the Liberal Party run state of New South Wales in Australia.

Down here Liberals are right wing (go figure). Right now we are in the middle of savage job and spending cuts. Our Premier (like your state Governors) has vowed that the cuts will continue, even though an independent accounting body has found a BILLION extra dollars that the state government didn't know it had.

///And STILL they are pushing ahead in a no-tender process to build a second casino in Sydney that nobody wants.

///Crazy!!!
 
2012-11-11 01:59:20 PM  
It's OK, we'll let the GOP fark it up, then when it gets really bad, we'll put a Democrat in there, get it all straightened up and then let them have it back to fark it all up again.

Sam Brownbeck will be a front runner for the GOP one day. Mark my words. If they had put someone like him in with rMoney, he might have had a better chance.
 
2012-11-11 01:59:35 PM  
If you're living in Kansas in the first place then you probably deserve to be miserable.
 
2012-11-11 02:06:19 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: ebamit: As a Kansan, I can say without question that these tax cuts benefit me personally. It's like they looked at my situation (multiple corps, partnership, and rental-property income) and devised a plan that ensured I will pay absolutely no state income tax. None. Zip. Nada.

W-2 wage earners? They continue to pay. And now, thanks to our brilliant governor, they will pay a much higher percentage of the state's revenue than before. This, my friends, is a perfect example of a regressive tax. Hurting the little people is OK as long as the rich benefit. Let them eat cake!

At first, I thought this plan was just an example of how stupid these small men are. I thought that they were living in a fantasy world thinking that this plan will attract new businesses into the state. Obviously, no business owner is going to relocate to Kansas simply because the owner will pay no state income tax. Anyone who believes this myth exposes just how little they understand about the dynamics of owning a business.

Upon reflection, I realized they can't possibly be this stupid. They don't suffer from ignorance; instead, they are simply bad people. Let's face it: W-2 wage earners don't donate to Republican campaigns. High earners do. Screw the W-2 earners!

From their point of view, ruining a once great place to live is simply a cost of ensuring reelection. It's nothing more, nothing less. Thus, this is not a "tax plan" or "business development program". It's just a cynical plan to ensure reelection.

that sounds familiar.. so your the one who came into the comments section on that article and started talking all this rational reasonableness. Shame on you. your supposed to help make the rubes spit and froth. but seriously, your spot on. ive been refreshing those comments all morning.. i think its turned into a half way interesting reasonable discussion.


Guilty as charged. Rational and reasonable are rarely seen on the KC Star boards, so I'll take that as a compliment!
 
2012-11-11 02:10:44 PM  
I am going to use this every chance I get:


'Is that some kind of Math You Do As A Republican To Make Yourself Feel Better?'
 
2012-11-11 02:13:31 PM  

wildcatben: I don't even want to talk about this...

We have to suffer through major embarrassments like our Board of Education and Brownback...
I have to sit helplessly as the Koch bros. primary the hell out of any moderate republican candidate...
Then watch them roll to victory based on the (R) next to their name...

My beloved state is becoming the Tea Party dream - a place where a lack of basic services, government-licensed privatization of public property and regressive social polices make for a "job creator" paradise of low taxes and regulations...

You know what's funny - conservatives like to blame liberalism (or more generally a secular society) for a decline in "traditional values" but their policies hurt small cities and towns (bastions of more conservative ideas) by cutting public education and blocking access to quality healthcare.

The result is a under-educated, under-employable population that will, in my opinion, be much more likely to experience high-divorce rates, teen pregnancy and drug use. 

/I know, I talked about it anyway...



Pfft at least you still have your far right religious doctrine as a guiding light
 
2012-11-11 02:15:05 PM  

Vodka Zombie: So, what you're saying is that the Teabaggers have no idea what they're doing?


I'd say that a small minority of them understand exactly what they're doing.

They're trying to destroy American's faith in the liberal government implemented by the founding fathers and replace it with a reactionary, authoritarian, dominionist form of government that they want to have instead.

The best way that the Tea Party has to destroy the American Constitution and destroy the current government is from within. By making the government broke, incompetent, and unresponsive to the needs of the wider population, eventually citizens will get fed up and throw the government out. When that happens, they'll implement the dream of the American Taliban.
 
2012-11-11 02:19:38 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: You think Kansas is bad? Try the Liberal Party run state of New South Wales in Australia.

Down here Liberals are right wing (go figure). Right now we are in the middle of savage job and spending cuts. Our Premier (like your state Governors) has vowed that the cuts will continue, even though an independent accounting body has found a BILLION extra dollars that the state government didn't know it had.

///And STILL they are pushing ahead in a no-tender process to build a second casino in Sydney that nobody wants.

///Crazy!!!


I spent a great deal of time in Britain (Stevenage for the Championship) and when people would say complete shiat about what they were told about the terrible socialist Europe, I would have dozens of examples of why they were talking out of their arses.

Most Fox News viewers over here have no idea how much The Dirty Digger used his Aussie experiences to shape American right-wing press. Australian Liberal, British Conservative, US Republican ...they are the same right-wing message on three land masses. They even swap analysts and media personnel. Hell: how long was Maggie Thatcher's son working for the GOP in Texas and taking part in shenanigans in Equitorial Guinea?
 
2012-11-11 02:24:51 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Yeah, Pinochet. It created the Chilean Miracle.


The "Miracle" where the right-wing authoritarian government of Chile controlled a larger percentage of the economy than the socialist government that preceded it?

Is Chile under Pinochet the dream of the Tea Party for America? Do you dream of the right-wing authoritarian secret police throwing bound political dissenters out of helicopter doors far out over the ocean, while the politically connected elite grab as much of the economic power of the country as possible through regulation and law?

If you guys love that so much, why don't you just move to your right-wing authoritarian paradise now? Perhaps Iran or Saudi Arabia will welcome you with open arms.
 
2012-11-11 02:36:34 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'

If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.

Somebody needs a hug.

Here, let me move my wallet to my front pocket.


i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 02:39:48 PM  
For years we heard a group of people claiming that the problem with America was the Tax and Spend Democrats. This group of people had their own cunning plan: spend and destroy America. Yes, they spent and kept the expenses off books, they spent and borrowed from foreign powers, they spent and went broke.
 
2012-11-11 02:40:56 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Dansker: Noam Chimpsky: The fallacy is the assertion by the commie editorialist that the state of Kansas has a responsibility to pay for all these commie dreams of his. Kansas needs to purge it's remaining liberals and it will be a utopia.

You know who else purged liberals to create a Utopia?

Yeah, Pinochet. It created the Chilean Miracle.


You mean the Military dictator indicted for human rights violations? The guy who had to be cremated to keep Chileans from vandalizing his tomb? That guy? Now I know you are a troll.
 
2012-11-11 02:45:33 PM  

G.I.R.B.: nekom: And deregulation. Don't forget deregulation.

Worked for J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie and all them nice guys a little while ago, let's bring those days back!


How about white slavery?
 
2012-11-11 02:46:44 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites.


And if blue were yellow in the same way that stripes are polka dots, then I'd say that bumblebees eat potato.
 
2012-11-11 02:52:48 PM  

The Larch: Noam Chimpsky: Yeah, Pinochet. It created the Chilean Miracle.

The "Miracle" where the right-wing authoritarian government of Chile controlled a larger percentage of the economy than the socialist government that preceded it?

Is Chile under Pinochet the dream of the Tea Party for America? Do you dream of the right-wing authoritarian secret police throwing bound political dissenters out of helicopter doors far out over the ocean, while the politically connected elite grab as much of the economic power of the country as possible through regulation and law?

If you guys love that so much, why don't you just move to your right-wing authoritarian paradise now? Perhaps Iran or Saudi Arabia will welcome you with open arms.


i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 02:55:05 PM  

dywed88: cirby: Mrtraveler01:
Yes, cutting taxes when you're in the red makes perfect sense.

It does when you're trying to get people to start doing business in your state, and you cut the budget accordingly. As I noted above, they only need a five percent cut in spending to balance the budget. If you're too dumb to find five percent of a state budget to cut, you need to stay out of politics entirely.

Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.

Except there is zero evidence that decreasing taxes will increase revenue. And every remotely independent group has came to the same conclusion. Trickle down and supply side economics are jokes.


NC is about to find out. One of the ideas McCrory has mentioned during his governor's campaign was that he intended to lower business taxes to encourage industry to locate here. He pointed out that the state has the highest gas taxes in the southeast as proof of the need to lower them, forgetting of course that NC also has the 2nd most miles of state-maintained roads in the country (behind Texas), and those roads don't pave themselves. His campaign sounded like Romney-light; get rid of "job killing regulations", lower corporate taxes, and reduce the size and scope of government.
 
2012-11-11 02:58:21 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Shrugging Atlas: They were also helped by being opposed by a bunch of raving dipshiat tea baggers.

You mean like Ed Martin for Attorney General? The one who seemed to have no farking clue what he was going to do once he repealed Obamacare? Because that's the only thing his damn ads kept talking about.


God that guy was the worst. His radio ads sounded like they were put together by a freshman advertising class as well.

He has an ad up on an electronic billboard I pass on the way home about repealing Obamacare and I still can't stop my eyes from rolling every time I see it. I mean even setting aside the fact he can do basically nothing against Obamacare...THAT'S what you choose to run on?
 
2012-11-11 03:03:36 PM  

nekom: Well, to be fair there is a case to be made for a counter-intuitive "lowering taxes increases revenue" argument. At least, to some degree. After all, with a 100% or 0% tax rate, your revenues would be quite low. I would think that finding that "sweet spot" for the highest revenue ought to be the goal, though finding that is probably near impossible.


Why would anyone want the point of highest revenue? That means you are getting an ROI approaching zero on your marginal taxes paid. You want to have the lowest rate with the highest derivative value that can satisfy your spending requirements. If those requirements exceed the inflection point, you need to rethink your governing philosophy.
 
2012-11-11 03:04:46 PM  

Bendal: One of the ideas McCrory has mentioned during his governor's campaign was that he intended to lower business taxes to encourage industry to locate here


One of the crazier thoughts that goes through my heads sometimes is this:

What would happen if we set all taxes on business profits to zero, but taxed all short term and long capital gain disbursements to anyone in the world at the same rate as the American personal income tax rate? In other words, encourage all businesses to declare all profits in the United States. GE and Exxon and Apple can make all the money they want here, and they pay no taxes on it as long as it stays with them. But as soon as they money flows to shareholders anywhere in the world, it gets taxed as personal income.

Would that help business growth? Hurt business growth? Is it the type of thing that would cause strange rent seeking? I am not an economist, and I really don't know what would happen.

Also keep in mind that this is exactly the opposite of what Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan wanted to do... so I suspect you'd get no support from the vulture capitalists on this...
 
2012-11-11 03:06:10 PM  

cirby: a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.


[Citation needed]
 
2012-11-11 03:06:21 PM  

The Larch: Noam Chimpsky: If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites.

And if blue were yellow in the same way that stripes are polka dots, then I'd say that bumblebees eat potato.


You'd have thought the [f]right[ened] wing would have figured out that reality is like the tide that swamps their King Canute Worship version of 'reality'.

i26.tinypic.com

Sorry: liberals, some group living off the other group's earnings, parasites.

Please proceed, Chimpsky.

/that parasite side of the image should now be 70%+ red.
 
2012-11-11 03:07:03 PM  

The Larch: Noam Chimpsky: If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites.

And if blue were yellow in the same way that stripes are polka dots, then I'd say that bumblebees eat potato.


Thank gawd.
I read his post and thought I might be having a stroke.

Then I read yours.
I feel better now, thank you.

/your username is a household staple. 15&11 yr. olds, so I think I'm doing it sorta right, this raising of the new crop of nerds
//they're younger than the hipster thing, and they think it's silly. But you can't argue with cool mustaches. That's the part they said can stay.
///potato sounds like the voice of glaDos (or however you farking spell it )
in my head
//therefore I must read the rest of the thread in Morgan Freeman's voice.
/back down ladder of slashies
 
2012-11-11 03:10:35 PM  

TheMysticS: The Larch: Noam Chimpsky: If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites.

And if blue were yellow in the same way that stripes are polka dots, then I'd say that bumblebees eat potato.

Thank gawd.
I read his post and thought I might be having a stroke.

Then I read yours.
I feel better now, thank you.

/your username is a household staple. 15&11 yr. olds, so I think I'm doing it sorta right, this raising of the new crop of nerds
//they're younger than the hipster thing, and they think it's silly. But you can't argue with cool mustaches. That's the part they said can stay.
///potato sounds like the voice of glaDos (or however you farking spell it )
in my head
//therefore I must read the rest of the thread in Morgan Freeman's voice.
/back down ladder of slashies


Don't be too quick to rule out a stroke..
 
2012-11-11 03:17:52 PM  

Serious Black: Kittypie070: Let them suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.

Hey, I'm not stupid. I voted for people who didn't support his ridiculous tax cut plan. I talked up how idiotic it was to my friends and asked them to share the message. Hell, a not insignificant number of Republicans I talk to actually agree that it's ridiculous. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of farking lunatics out on the west end of the state who want the state to look like a Christian version of Pakistan.


The good news is that those idiots are on the verge of running out of water, so you can just wait them out and then move the Capitol to Lawrence.

Or is it Capital? I hate those two words.
 
2012-11-11 03:17:53 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Dansker: Noam Chimpsky: The fallacy is the assertion by the commie editorialist that the state of Kansas has a responsibility to pay for all these commie dreams of his. Kansas needs to purge it's remaining liberals and it will be a utopia.

You know who else purged liberals to create a Utopia?

Yeah, Pinochet. It created the Chilean Miracle.


Excellent answer!
 
2012-11-11 03:20:01 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: wildcatben: I don't even want to talk about this...

We have to suffer through major embarrassments like our Board of Education and Brownback...
I have to sit helplessly as the Koch bros. primary the hell out of any moderate republican candidate...
Then watch them roll to victory based on the (R) next to their name...

My beloved state is becoming the Tea Party dream - a place where a lack of basic services, government-licensed privatization of public property and regressive social polices make for a "job creator" paradise of low taxes and regulations...

You know what's funny - conservatives like to blame liberalism (or more generally a secular society) for a decline in "traditional values" but their policies hurt small cities and towns (bastions of more conservative ideas) by cutting public education and blocking access to quality healthcare.

The result is a under-educated, under-employable population that will, in my opinion, be much more likely to experience high-divorce rates, teen pregnancy and drug use. 

/I know, I talked about it anyway...

It needs to be repeated. At least the hyper-rich will be fine in their gated communities.


I will be the first in line to take out the guards at the gate. They will suffer too, even if I have to kill them all in the process.
 
2012-11-11 03:22:27 PM  

The Larch: Do you dream of the right-wing authoritarian secret police throwing bound political dissenters out of helicopter doors far out over the ocean ....


Free helicopter trips with complimentary cement blocks and steel railings for left wing welfare queen slackers? Not on this watch pal, they'll outsource it.
 
2012-11-11 03:25:08 PM  

Delay: G.I.R.B.: nekom: And deregulation. Don't forget deregulation.

Worked for J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie and all them nice guys a little while ago, let's bring those days back!

How about white slavery?


Sho nuff
 
2012-11-11 03:25:50 PM  
If I were to interview someone for a job opening, and that person's cover letter said "This position is useless and stupid and all of the people who use our products are worthless parasites", would I be surprised if I chose to hire that person and he/she did an awful job?
 
2012-11-11 03:30:58 PM  

balloot: If I were to interview someone for a job opening, and that person's cover letter said "This position is useless and stupid and all of the people who use our products are worthless parasites", would I be surprised if I chose to hire that person and he/she did an awful job?


If you're dumb enough to hire that person anyways, I wouldn't put being surprised at the failure past you.
 
2012-11-11 04:03:52 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state.


I don't think you understand how "public goods and services" work.
 
2012-11-11 04:10:32 PM  
i677.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-11 04:12:52 PM  
This used to be a great place to live. Now it's like the whole joint has a gas leak or something.
 
2012-11-11 04:41:25 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'

If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.

Somebody needs a hug.

Here, let me move my wallet to my front pocket.


You are a known liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.
 
2012-11-11 05:19:20 PM  
I know it sounds crazy to a liberal, but the "smaller government" crowd actually wants LESS government. LESS. That's right, not more, not the same amount, but LESS. OK?

You liberals have a different opinion and that's fine. You are wrong, but in this country you have the right to hold an incorrect opinion and then vote your convictions. (not convicts, although we know you love padding the polls)

Less government by way of cutting off the resources that fund government, forcing the hard choices. That's what the fiscal cliff could do for us at the federal level.
 
2012-11-11 05:31:18 PM  

bwilson27: THANK YOU FOX NEWS AND GLENN BECK!!!!!!


for keeping us infromed?
 
2012-11-11 05:31:36 PM  

thrgd456: I know it sounds crazy to a liberal, but the "smaller government" crowd actually wants LESS government. LESS. That's right, not more, not the same amount, but LESS. OK?

You liberals have a different opinion and that's fine. You are wrong, but in this country you have the right to hold an incorrect opinion and then vote your convictions. (not convicts, although we know you love padding the polls)

Less government by way of cutting off the resources that fund government, forcing the hard choices. That's what the fiscal cliff could do for us at the federal level.


Yeah but that isn't reality. This is:
Ohio really did go to President Obama last night, and he really did win. And he really was born in Hawaii. And he really is legitimately president of the United States -- again. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics did not make up a fake unemployment rate last month. And the Congressional Research Service really can find no evidence that cutting taxes on rich people grows the economy. And the polls were not skewed to oversample Democrats. And Nate Silver was not making up fake projections about the election to make conservatives feel bad. Nate Silver was doing math. And climate change is real. And rape really does cause pregnancy sometimes. And evolution is a thing. And Benghazi was an attack on us; it was not a scandal by us. And nobody is taking away anyone's guns. And taxes have not gone up. And the deficit is dropping, actually. And Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. And the moon landing was real. And FEMA is not building concentration camps. And U.N. election observers are not taking over Texas. And moderate reforms of the regulations on the insurance industry and the financial-services industry in this country are not the same thing as Communism.
Most of your fellow Americans know these things and in addition, they know that the GOP is NOT a party of small government.
The snake oil pitch about small government has been seen through, and rejected.
Reality.
 
2012-11-11 05:32:55 PM  

thrgd456: I know it sounds crazy to a liberal, but the "smaller government" crowd actually wants LESS government. LESS. That's right, not more, not the same amount, but LESS. OK?

You liberals have a different opinion and that's fine. You are wrong, but in this country you have the right to hold an incorrect opinion and then vote your convictions. (not convicts, although we know you love padding the polls)

Less government by way of cutting off the resources that fund government, forcing the hard choices. That's what the fiscal cliff could do for us at the federal level.


As you are an established liar, your claims lack credibility.
 
2012-11-11 05:43:30 PM  
Chimpsky, if the Tea Party Pinochet gets to run things, you'll be among the first to be shoved out the helicopter wearing nothing but handcuffs and leg irons.

You. Personally.

Think about it.
 
2012-11-11 05:57:21 PM  

Dimensio: thrgd456: I know it sounds crazy to a liberal, but the "smaller government" crowd actually wants LESS government. LESS. That's right, not more, not the same amount, but LESS. OK?

You liberals have a different opinion and that's fine. You are wrong, but in this country you have the right to hold an incorrect opinion and then vote your convictions. (not convicts, although we know you love padding the polls)

Less government by way of cutting off the resources that fund government, forcing the hard choices. That's what the fiscal cliff could do for us at the federal level.

As you are an established liar, your claims lack credibility.


Well, whether he is intentionally lying or not, he is stating an untruth - the "small government" hoax.
The "smaller government" crowd is fake - they DO NOT believe in less government. They just want government that serves their needs, and theirs alone, and ignores those of others. Try to talk to a "small government conservative" about cutting defense, or firing some cops, or tearing down a few jails - you'll find out how much they believe in "small government". Talk to them about not having government snooping into women's ladyparts, or stopping gays from marrying and you'll find out how much they believe in "small governemnt".
Anyway, even if the believe were sincere, it would be childish. Who really believes that the biggest, richest, most powerful society that has ever existed (and this applies whether I am speaking of America or the modern West as a whole)can be ruled by a "small government"?
It's chuckleheaded idiocy at best, and sly, cynical hypocrisy most of the time.
 
2012-11-11 08:08:48 PM  
Sadly, I live in Kansas. It's gotten to the point where the moment I see my state's name in any article headline I immediately groan and ask, "NOW what?" Kansas is the poster child for right-wing thinking, and the state government is a perfect reflection of that. Hell, even the Kochs are here in Wichita. I enjoy discussing politics, even with people who are ideologically different, but there are very few people I can do so with here without having an aneurysm. The vast majority of the population here are ultra-conservative, and the tea party has a strong base. They've also immunized themselves to rational arguments and facts, immediately dismissing anything they disagree with as "liberal spin" (even if it's from a bi-partisan source) and happily citing back conservative blogs as though they were reputable academic studies. At work, total strangers might walk up to you and make an Obama joke or complain about liberals, simply assuming you're one of them. And why not? I'm a left-of-center independent, but I can tell you that there's very few left-of-anything in Kansas; except, perhaps, in Lawrence.

On election day at the polling location, there was a staffer who demanded to know whose car was illegally parked and loudly declared it was about to be towed. One of the women in line in front of me made a disgusted look and told her friend, "She must be a democrat." True story.

/Sorry for the rant.
//Is suffocating here.
///Thinking about getting out.
 
2012-11-11 08:09:03 PM  

The Larch: Vodka Zombie: So, what you're saying is that the Teabaggers have no idea what they're doing?

I'd say that a small minority of them understand exactly what they're doing.

They're trying to destroy American's faith in the liberal government implemented by the founding fathers and replace it with a reactionary, authoritarian, dominionist form of government that they want to have instead.

The best way that the Tea Party has to destroy the American Constitution and destroy the current government is from within. By making the government broke, incompetent, and unresponsive to the needs of the wider population, eventually citizens will get fed up and throw the government out. When that happens, they'll implement the dream of the American Taliban.


What in the world makes them think they will be on top after they topple the house of cards?
 
2012-11-11 08:18:26 PM  

thrgd456: I know it sounds crazy to a liberal, but the "smaller government" crowd actually wants LESS government. LESS. That's right, not more, not the same amount, but LESS. OK?


Then why do they always grow the government when they're in charge? Bush created an entirely new cabinet level department.
 
2012-11-11 08:31:20 PM  
Who could imagine that they would freak out in Kansas?
 
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