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(Kansas City)   Tea Party economics in the state of Kansas have resulted in massive deficits, draining of the rainy day fund, and set up massive cuts to education and social services. The Tea Party solution: tax cuts   (kansascity.com) divider line 257
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2012-11-11 11:16:40 AM
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2012-11-11 11:17:02 AM
How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk
 
2012-11-11 11:21:15 AM

PanicMan: The laffer curve is a stupid meaningless concept that should never be used in any real world situation. There's just too many other factors you need to take into account.


Art Laffer is still pushing his curve. One of the people in my carpool attended speaking event of his last week. She said most were sent by their employers, and most spent their coffee breaks rolling their eyes and sighing.
 
2012-11-11 11:26:42 AM

nekom: vpb: You mean cutting your income doesn't help you pay bills? Sounds like socialisms!

Well, to be fair there is a case to be made for a counter-intuitive "lowering taxes increases revenue" argument. At least, to some degree. After all, with a 100% or 0% tax rate, your revenues would be quite low. I would think that finding that "sweet spot" for the highest revenue ought to be the goal, though finding that is probably near impossible.


In theory a 100% tax rate could generate revenue. If the government provides everything you need to live and people choose to work then it gets revenue. Of course, communism is a huge failure.
 
2012-11-11 11:27:01 AM
Once you realize their goal is not deficit reduction or economic growth, but the full dismantling of taxes and government, it makes perfect sense.

The modern GOP believe the Government is the only problem, their solution is to bankrupt it and sell it piecemeal to the highest bidder.
 
2012-11-11 11:28:36 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Kansas. Its like Somalia, but with old white people.


Welcome to favorites!
 
kth
2012-11-11 11:30:32 AM
jayhawk88:
Oh no it's worse than that, I'm in Wichita not Lawrence. Sarah Palin shows up at a Dillon's here in Andover on a Tuesday morning and 5,000 people are camping out overnight for it

Oddly enough, somewhere in the back of my brain must have remembered that from basketball threads, so I was thinking Wichita.

madanimalscientist: How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk


I went to KU, but I have a lot of friends who went to K-State. It's not a bad place, it isn't a liberal as Lawrence, but it's still a college town. My friends call it "Manhappiness." There are some lovely areas in north central Kansas and you're only an hour and a half from KC. I don't see a huge risk of the regents curtailing access to birth control.
 
2012-11-11 11:32:57 AM

kth: jayhawk88:
Oh no it's worse than that, I'm in Wichita not Lawrence. Sarah Palin shows up at a Dillon's here in Andover on a Tuesday morning and 5,000 people are camping out overnight for it

Oddly enough, somewhere in the back of my brain must have remembered that from basketball threads, so I was thinking Wichita.

madanimalscientist: How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk

I went to KU, but I have a lot of friends who went to K-State. It's not a bad place, it isn't a liberal as Lawrence, but it's still a college town. My friends call it "Manhappiness." There are some lovely areas in north central Kansas and you're only an hour and a half from KC. I don't see a huge risk of the regents curtailing access to birth control.


The only concern I have is that when this fiscal plan blows up in Kansas's face, education will be one of the first things targeted as the KS GOP tries to cover their ass from failure.
 
2012-11-11 11:33:00 AM

cirby: Mrtraveler01:
Yes, cutting taxes when you're in the red makes perfect sense.

It does when you're trying to get people to start doing business in your state, and you cut the budget accordingly. As I noted above, they only need a five percent cut in spending to balance the budget. If you're too dumb to find five percent of a state budget to cut, you need to stay out of politics entirely.

Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.


Except there is zero evidence that decreasing taxes will increase revenue. And every remotely independent group has came to the same conclusion. Trickle down and supply side economics are jokes.
 
2012-11-11 11:34:12 AM

FlashHarry: wasn't there some talk about cutting state taxes on all incomes above $200,000 to zero? or did i dream it? in any case - i can't tell anymore between satire and reality. the right wing is just that farking crazy.


I know they wanted to remove income taxes for professional positions, but of course not the people that support those positions. Cuz those jerb creaturs need money to create jerbs. For example, they wanted to remove income tax from lawyers, but not paralegals, doctors, but not nurses or CNAs, engineers, but not technicians or technical writers.

Let's see how that works out.
 
2012-11-11 11:36:02 AM

TyrantII: Once you realize their goal is not deficit reduction or economic growth, but the full dismantling of taxes and government, it makes perfect sense.

The modern GOP believe the Government is the only problem, their solution is to bankrupt it and sell it piecemeal to the highest bidder.


I use to think this was hyperbole, but stupid stuff like what they're doing in Kansas and the people who come to their defense, make me think otherwise.
 
2012-11-11 11:36:51 AM
Manhattan is fine. Oh you mean Manhattan Kansas.
Run away.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:35 AM

madanimalscientist: How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk


Manhattan has a best Buy now, so there's that.
 
2012-11-11 11:50:40 AM
Gosh...all they need is more rich people to trickle down on them. Problem solved!
 
2012-11-11 11:51:44 AM
Ed Grubermann
I've never known a Republican to take responsibility for their mistakes.
 
2012-11-11 11:53:32 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: Ed Grubermann
I've never known a Republican to take responsibility for their mistakes.


The Bush administration is the perfect example.
 
2012-11-11 11:55:00 AM
It seems like it takes a lot of effort to deny reality, much as it takes a lot of energy to hold a system out of equilibrium.

I expect that states acting rationally will prosper, while states governed using backwater strategies like Tea Party conservatism will continue to decline, until it gets bad enough that the electorate votes them out. I'm suppose that could takes years, however, and by that time the damage inflicted would be severe.
 
2012-11-11 11:55:23 AM

madanimalscientist: How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk


I got my MFA in Wichita a few years ago. I finished up right before Brownback was elected gov. For the most part I was able to get/do everything I needed and didn't run into much trouble with the locals, but I'm a guy.

The biggest thing I'd worry about if I were starting grad school there now would be whether my assistantship (if you're getting one) would stay funded all the way to the end. My department was already struggling when I got there. If you're going into the sciences you might be better off, since most schools tend to prioritize the sciences and de-prioritize the humanities when there are budget problems. By all accounts, it sounds like Kansas is doing its very damnedest to find out the exact location of rock bottom, so things will probably keep getting worse for a while.

Funding aside, the university usually generates a bubble of less-conservativism in which you can be comfortable, make like-minded friends, and so on.
 
2012-11-11 11:58:31 AM

Noam Chimpsky: The fallacy is the assertion by the commie editorialist that the state of Kansas has a responsibility to pay for all these commie dreams of his. Kansas needs to purge it's remaining liberals and it will be a utopia.


You know who else purged liberals to create a Utopia?
 
2012-11-11 12:01:14 PM

Vodka Zombie: So, what you're saying is that the Teabaggers have no idea what they're doing?

Quelle surprise!

Maybe you should vote with your own damn brains instead of what some gibbering moron on TV or AM radio tells you, eh?


They know exactly what they are doing. They are attempting to force a reduction in the government (social programs only). Make it inefficient, underfund it, force deficit by tax cuts, convince people that tax cuts will fix it, tada!
 
2012-11-11 12:08:13 PM
Normally I would say Kansas is making Oklahoma look smart, but the OK legislature is trying to do the same thing. They just have not gotten as far yet.
 
2012-11-11 12:16:26 PM

Barbaro's Broken Ankle: Everybody laughs at Kansas, but be aware that Brownback is just building up his conservative credentials in preparation for a run at President in 2016.


Problem: Conservative Credentials in 2016 are likely going to be worth jack shiat.
 
2012-11-11 12:20:34 PM
What part of "God will provide" am I missing?
 
2012-11-11 12:22:47 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I know they wanted to remove income taxes for professional positions, but of course not the people that support those positions. Cuz those jerb creaturs need money to create jerbs. For example, they wanted to remove income tax from lawyers, but not paralegals, doctors, but not nurses or CNAs, engineers, but not technicians or technical writers.

Let's see how that works out.


that's it.

jesus. what insanity!
 
2012-11-11 12:22:56 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Barbaro's Broken Ankle: Everybody laughs at Kansas, but be aware that Brownback is just building up his conservative credentials in preparation for a run at President in 2016.

Problem: Conservative Credentials in 2016 are likely going to be worth jack shiat.


Outside of the primary anyway.
 
2012-11-11 12:26:17 PM
Kansas: We Will Be First to Achieve Somalia Status!
 
2012-11-11 12:27:14 PM

nekom: vpb: You mean cutting your income doesn't help you pay bills? Sounds like socialisms!

Well, to be fair there is a case to be made for a counter-intuitive "lowering taxes increases revenue" argument. At least, to some degree. After all, with a 100% or 0% tax rate, your revenues would be quite low. I would think that finding that "sweet spot" for the highest revenue ought to be the goal, though finding that is probably near impossible.


You're making me laff with all that crap.

/ No crap.
// Just too far to one side of the curve.
 
2012-11-11 12:29:19 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Kittypie070: Let them suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.

And they'll convince themselves that it's all Obama's fault.


Of course. Because they're stupid.
 
2012-11-11 12:29:34 PM

Serious Black: Move to Lawrence. We're trying to fight against the state becoming Brownbackistan.


Is Lawrence an island of sanity like Austin, TX or Columbia, MO?
 
2012-11-11 12:29:49 PM

sdd2000: wingnut396: They left off one thing that Kansas can still do to close the budget gap. Sell off State owned assets. There is quite a bit they can do:

1. Sell the prisons to for profit companies. The inmates can pay for the operation of the prison by working at whatever jobs their corporate owners can make money with them doing. This strikes me as a way to also solve the migrant labor problem as low risk prisoners can be used to pick crops at harvest. I would imagine that arrests for short time offenses would go up right before harvest time.

2. Sell the roads and bridges, tolls everywhere. You can drive like 90MPH in Texas now on that freedom loving toll road.

3. Sell the State offices and buildings. Right now there are too many State employees as it is. There is no need to all that office space. Sell it off, especially after you fire most of the State workers, and lease back smaller offices from the corporations that now own the property.

4. Sell of the State parks and recreation areas to private recreation and resort companies. People that can't afford to pay an entrance fee to a nice lake or park should be working more anyway.

5. Sell off the schools, use whatever Federal dollars come in for education to pay for a voucher. The free market and churches will provide stuff like classroom VCRs for learnin' your young ones.


I'm surprised I could think of many ways to solve the Kansas budget crisis and this article only thinks that a useless rainy day fund is the only way they are going to do it.

They can also cut back on fire services and police and go the Colorado Springs route.
Link

This is the new faith based budgeting system. (We have faith that them damn socalizt will bail us out)


Sending firemen to die to protect houses is stupid.

If people don't want their house to burn down, chop down the freaking trees and cut the grass.
 
2012-11-11 12:31:27 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: Ed Grubermann
I've never known a Republican to take responsibility for their mistakes.


This...

CynicalLA: The Bush administration is the perfect example.


...and that.

/stay derpy, derpers~!
 
2012-11-11 12:36:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: People throw around tax cuts like it's a panacea to everything.

I've got to say this once and for all Tax cuts WILL NOT GET YOU OUT OF A DEFICIT!!!


I am afraid that you will need to repeat that ad naseum to be heard above the DERP. We need to keep making that point until even FOX news recognizes that tax cuts only spur economic growth in very limited circumstances. (Megan Kelly's question to Karl Rove about his republican math makes me believe that it is possible to reach part of the FOX crowd.)
 
2012-11-11 12:39:28 PM

cirby: Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.


Evidence that businesses are leaving? All I can find is people claiming that businesses are leaving, but I can't find evidence of any businesses that have actually left. I certainly don't see it around town.

And here's counter-evidence that millionaires are not leaving: Link
 
2012-11-11 12:42:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: The only concern I have is that when this fiscal plan blows up in Kansas's face, education will be one of the first things targeted as the KS GOP tries to cover their ass from failure.


Well, here's the thing. Kansas was already in the caboose as far as K-12 education. These reforms should place them dead last. So no kids going to Kansas public schools (or, obviously, most parochial schools) will have test scores remotely high enough to get into KU or KSU.

The universities are perfectly fine - they'll continue to be funded by their athletic department revenue. But they'll become nothing more than a temporary destination. Out-of-state students will attend school, and then leave Kansas before the ink on their sheepskins has dried. There will be no industries in Kansas that will require a college education - faith healers and clergy will replace doctors and teachers. Kansas-born youth, meanwhile, will continue to flock to trailer parks with five children each before they turn 21.

That's what pisses me off the most. It's not the kids' fault, but they'll suffer the most. Libertarianism should never trump humanitarianism, no matter what your economic beliefs tell you. If anyone has the ability to leave Kansas now for saner pastures, I'd suggest doing it as soon as you can.
 
2012-11-11 12:50:03 PM

Barbaro's Broken Ankle: Everybody laughs at Kansas, but be aware that Brownback is just building up his conservative credentials in preparation for a run at President in 2016.


I hate to say this, as shallow as it is, but the American people will not elect a guy named Brownback to the presidency.

No wai
 
2012-11-11 12:51:01 PM

Cuchulane: They just need more of these.


I love Doc Marten's!


Oh, wait...
 
2012-11-11 12:53:35 PM

Mrtraveler01: Bendal: McCrory is talking about how the government is "broken" and he's bringing a businessman's viewpoint to the state

MO dodged that bullet this election.

Luckily he was very incompetent in running a campaign as well as the fact that the incumbent is well like here due to his moderate views.

What I would like to know is when in the history of politics has business success = success in politics? The only businessman I can think of is Berlesconi, and we all know what kind of job he did with Italy.


I was amazed that, despite the Lt. Gov, MO is pretty much run by solid blue folk. Yet we go Red in federal. Seriously -- WTF?

Although, living in KCMO, I do often hit the stateline and just point and laugh...because it's warrented.
 
2012-11-11 12:55:08 PM

mgshamster: cirby: Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.

Evidence that businesses are leaving? All I can find is people claiming that businesses are leaving, but I can't find evidence of any businesses that have actually left. I certainly don't see it around town.

And here's counter-evidence that millionaires are not leaving: Link


The whole imminent collapse of California is RW folklore. I don't dispute it though - I would rather the sort of people who buy into it avoid California like the plague.
 
2012-11-11 12:55:22 PM

Lochsteppe: madanimalscientist: How bad is it in say, Manhattan? I just interviewed for grad school there. It's a great program, and the professor is amazing, but if it's really that bad....that might be a point in deciding whether or not to go. I can go back in the closet for a few years, and I can stay on my parents' insurance if the KSU one doesn't cover birth control, but if it's that bad in terms of politics/people....

\Honest opinions, please?
\\Going without birth control isn't an option - my endocrine system doesn't churn out enough progesterone, so I need it in pill form every day or I could wind up in the ER (if I was lucky).
\\\ Great program, nice people in the department, but if everyone else is crazy...idk

I got my MFA in Wichita a few years ago. I finished up right before Brownback was elected gov. For the most part I was able to get/do everything I needed and didn't run into much trouble with the locals, but I'm a guy.

The biggest thing I'd worry about if I were starting grad school there now would be whether my assistantship (if you're getting one) would stay funded all the way to the end. My department was already struggling when I got there. If you're going into the sciences you might be better off, since most schools tend to prioritize the sciences and de-prioritize the humanities when there are budget problems. By all accounts, it sounds like Kansas is doing its very damnedest to find out the exact location of rock bottom, so things will probably keep getting worse for a while.

Funding aside, the university usually generates a bubble of less-conservativism in which you can be comfortable, make like-minded friends, and so on.


I'm in animal science, specifically feedlot cattle research, so I think my assistantship (they don't let you in without one) is fairly safe, if I get in. I look relatively white, can keep religion/politics to myself, and can pass for straight, and I've got a good friend in KC, so I hopefully should be okay (and the animal science department is getting more and more women in it, so maybe less sexism, farmers notwithstanding).

It's a good program, the tuition is cheaper than other schools I've looked at, and I'd get the chance to travel a lot. If Manhattan is okay, as people have said, that reassures me somewhat. Besides, not like I plan on living in Kansas long-term. I'm a city kid at heart.

Thanks everyone for your candid opinions!
 
2012-11-11 12:57:19 PM

BeatrixK: I was amazed that, despite the Lt. Gov, MO is pretty much run by solid blue folk. Yet we go Red in federal. Seriously -- WTF?


The Dems here in MO are moderates and would be Republicans in states like New York or Massachusetts. That's the only way Democrats can ever win this state.

BeatrixK: Although, living in KCMO, I do often hit the stateline and just point and laugh...because it's warrented.


I like the KC suburbs...and that's pretty much the only part of Kansas I like. And it seems like we have more of a reason to point and laugh at them based on this article.

I'm just so happy MO won't be going down that same path for a while.
 
2012-11-11 12:58:28 PM

jso2897: mgshamster: cirby: Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.

Evidence that businesses are leaving? All I can find is people claiming that businesses are leaving, but I can't find evidence of any businesses that have actually left. I certainly don't see it around town.

And here's counter-evidence that millionaires are not leaving: Link

The whole imminent collapse of California is RW folklore. I don't dispute it though - I would rather the sort of people who buy into it avoid California like the plague.


Places like LA and San Francisco are doing fine.

Ironically, the places in California that are worst off happen to be areas that tend to vote Republican (ie: Central Valley).

Go figure.
 
2012-11-11 12:59:04 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: cirby: Oddly, there's not much mention of the $13.4 billion dollar budget. Which could be cut by a mere five percent to save that $707 million. It's a shame the Kansas state budget is so well-designed that they can't manage to cut five percent off of it within a year or so

Oh they'll find someplace to cut that $707M. They'll find it in places like medicaid, education, child protective services, welfare, and university funding. Next year they'll be faced with a similar situation and so will go on another round of cuts and repeat this annually until the state is an ignorant, impoverished backwater that subsists on federal farm subsidies.


Im pretty sure they have achieved that goal already.
 
2012-11-11 01:02:54 PM

Jackpot777: [i.imgur.com image 640x960]

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And this time, when they leave, they can go. I'm not fighting to bring them back.
 
2012-11-11 01:07:22 PM

ebamit: As a Kansan, I can say without question that these tax cuts benefit me personally. It's like they looked at my situation (multiple corps, partnership, and rental-property income) and devised a plan that ensured I will pay absolutely no state income tax. None. Zip. Nada.

W-2 wage earners? They continue to pay. And now, thanks to our brilliant governor, they will pay a much higher percentage of the state's revenue than before. This, my friends, is a perfect example of a regressive tax. Hurting the little people is OK as long as the rich benefit. Let them eat cake!

At first, I thought this plan was just an example of how stupid these small men are. I thought that they were living in a fantasy world thinking that this plan will attract new businesses into the state. Obviously, no business owner is going to relocate to Kansas simply because the owner will pay no state income tax. Anyone who believes this myth exposes just how little they understand about the dynamics of owning a business.

Upon reflection, I realized they can't possibly be this stupid. They don't suffer from ignorance; instead, they are simply bad people. Let's face it: W-2 wage earners don't donate to Republican campaigns. High earners do. Screw the W-2 earners!

From their point of view, ruining a once great place to live is simply a cost of ensuring reelection. It's nothing more, nothing less. Thus, this is not a "tax plan" or "business development program". It's just a cynical plan to ensure reelection.


that sounds familiar.. so your the one who came into the comments section on that article and started talking all this rational reasonableness. Shame on you. your supposed to help make the rubes spit and froth. but seriously, your spot on. ive been refreshing those comments all morning.. i think its turned into a half way interesting reasonable discussion.
 
2012-11-11 01:10:05 PM

Dansker: Noam Chimpsky: The fallacy is the assertion by the commie editorialist that the state of Kansas has a responsibility to pay for all these commie dreams of his. Kansas needs to purge it's remaining liberals and it will be a utopia.

You know who else purged liberals to create a Utopia?


Yeah, Pinochet. It created the Chilean Miracle.
 
2012-11-11 01:10:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: jso2897: mgshamster: cirby: Note, for a counterexample, California. They're in a deep fiscal (read: spending) hole, they just voted (again) to raise the hell out of taxes, and a lot of businesses just decided to either bail out of California entirely or cut back on any expansion plans.

Evidence that businesses are leaving? All I can find is people claiming that businesses are leaving, but I can't find evidence of any businesses that have actually left. I certainly don't see it around town.

And here's counter-evidence that millionaires are not leaving: Link

The whole imminent collapse of California is RW folklore. I don't dispute it though - I would rather the sort of people who buy into it avoid California like the plague.

Places like LA and San Francisco are doing fine.

Ironically, the places in California that are worst off happen to be areas that tend to vote Republican (ie: Central Valley).

Go figure.


Meanwhile, life at the Capital is just... odd.

/We have a strong mix in the areas surrounding Sacramento.
 
2012-11-11 01:10:55 PM

BeatrixK: I was amazed that, despite the Lt. Gov, MO is pretty much run by solid blue folk. Yet we go Red in federal. Seriously -- WTF?


Missouri Democrats have a lot more Missouruh in them than Missouri. When compared to the national party they're basically very moderate Republicans (when there was such a thing). Think Northeast or West Coast Republicans. They were also helped by being opposed by a bunch of raving dipshiat tea baggers. Missouri is still purple enough that that message doesn't really get a lot of momentum on a state-wide level.

Purely anecdotal as well, but Obama's race doesn't do him any favors here either from what I've seen and heard.
 
2012-11-11 01:19:47 PM

nekom: vpb: You mean cutting your income doesn't help you pay bills? Sounds like socialisms!

Well, to be fair there is a case to be made for a counter-intuitive "lowering taxes increases revenue" argument. At least, to some degree. After all, with a 100% or 0% tax rate, your revenues would be quite low. I would think that finding that "sweet spot" for the highest revenue ought to be the goal, though finding that is probably near impossible.


There's a case to be made in that it is a line of logic you can follow which leads from evidence to conclusion, however, it is a demonstrably wrong conclusion to make that cutting taxes across the board is a good idea in this sort of economic landscape.
 
2012-11-11 01:21:31 PM

Shrugging Atlas: They were also helped by being opposed by a bunch of raving dipshiat tea baggers.


You mean like Ed Martin for Attorney General? The one who seemed to have no farking clue what he was going to do once he repealed Obamacare? Because that's the only thing his damn ads kept talking about.
 
2012-11-11 01:24:52 PM

CynicalLA: Mrtraveler01: Noam Chimpsky: You want Kansans to be taxed to finance the parasitic existence of those who can't or won't finance their own existence. Cutting taxes effectively chokes off and purges these parasites and improves the quality of the state. Obama gets revenge against conservatives at the federal level and conservatives need to get revenge against the parasite left where they can, and that is at the state level in these liberal states.

This reminds me too much of Hotel Rwanda.

Yep.
In Rwanda, the Tutsis were stereotyped as inherent liars, thieves, and killers. Kangura also depicted the Tutsis as biologically distinct from the Hutus and as being consumed by malice and wickedness. Radio Télévision Libra Mille-Collines (RTLMC), the local media outlet, joined in the propaganda effort, accusing the Tutsis of being plotters and parasites, and using the Tutsis'


If the Tusis were living off the Hutus the way liberals are living off our tax dollars, then they were parasites. I doubt that's the case so your analogy doesn't hold, but I'd be all for the Hutus cutting taxes for the purpose of making the Tutsis leave their nation, if it was the case.

And just because liberals are inherent liars, thieves, parasites and perverts doesn't mean the next assertion of a group being these things is a true assertion.
 
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