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2012-11-11 01:17:08 AM  
sorry, Ron, there are reasons for having a Federal government
 
2012-11-11 01:40:13 AM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-11-11 02:39:47 AM  
Now he can go back to his chosen field of refusing to give women abortions.
 
2012-11-11 07:17:07 AM  
He certainly gets a lot of press for a fringe candidate.
 
2012-11-11 07:38:57 AM  
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-11-11 07:39:00 AM  

nekom: He certainly gets a lot of press for a fringe candidate.


He has Friends in High Places.

img374.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-11 07:41:29 AM  

St_Francis_P: He has Friends in High Places.


He must. Don't get me wrong, it's good to hear a fresh new take on things, even if it is wrapped in total batshiat crazy, but he was never EVER a serious candidate. Yet he gets more publicity than someone such as, say Jill Stein, who has a completely reasonable left wing platform.
 
2012-11-11 07:53:18 AM  
Bawwww.
 
2012-11-11 08:50:27 AM  
RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.
 
2012-11-11 09:18:39 AM  

nekom: Yet he gets more publicity than someone such as, say Jill Stein, who has a completely reasonable left wing platform.


But you don't see a sh*t load of Redditors running around shouting "JILL STEIN" do you?
 
2012-11-11 09:27:22 AM  
The fruit of his loins is in Senate so his awful ideas live on, they're just spouted from underneath a poodle toupe.
 
2012-11-11 09:31:15 AM  
So he's retiring? Guess he'll still tilt at Government windmills or something.

His fixation on having a government too weak to work is really strange.
 
2012-11-11 09:34:31 AM  

GAT_00: RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.


"Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school. There's nothing wrong with his views from a conceptual framework, but they don't work in a world where the United States is depended upon for both economic and military security worldwide. If he were a candidate in say, a Liechtenstein or Monaco, his ideas would be quite compelling.
 
2012-11-11 09:34:54 AM  

Boxcutta: The fruit of his loins is in Senate so his awful ideas live on, they're just spouted from underneath a poodle toupe.


I'de watch the next couple of election cycles as well. His followers really jumped up into quite a few state level R leadership positions. Some of his (no way in hell ever gonna get done) policies were quite extreme. But he did have a few implimentable ideas that were quite realistic.

//Yes I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.

/No I didn't vote for romney in the general
 
2012-11-11 09:38:38 AM  
This guy needs to go quietly away.

Quickly
 
2012-11-11 09:41:18 AM  

Shaggy_C: GAT_00: RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.

"Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school. There's nothing wrong with his views from a conceptual framework, but they don't work in a world where the United States is depended upon for both economic and military security worldwide. If he were a candidate in say, a Liechtenstein or Monaco, his ideas would be quite compelling.

 
2012-11-11 09:42:24 AM  
How can a doctor have such a cavalier attitude about the livelihood of thousands of people?
 
2012-11-11 09:45:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: GAT_00: RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.

"Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school. There's nothing wrong with his views from a conceptual framework, but they don't work in a world where the United States is depended upon for both economic and military security worldwide. If he were a candidate in say, a Liechtenstein or Monaco, his ideas would be quite compelling.


Sorry - let's try that again. You have a point there - but it kind of brings us back to the old "galt's gulch" conundrum. Very, very little of the world is tiny enclaves of wealthy people. In fact, almost none of the world can be that. The fact remains that a man like Ron Paul has very little practical application in the real world - at least in the field of governance. And in my reading of TFA, he acknowledges as much.
 
2012-11-11 09:45:50 AM  
FTFA: Paul said Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney "was hit because ... one issue he was correct on, he opposed the [auto industry] bailouts, and the people in the Midwest voted against him: 'Oh, we have to be taken care of.'"

Consistent for a "libertarian" I guess. Aaaaand that's one of the reasons libertarians are useless at actually running a country. It's pretty much completely proven fact* that:
1 - Automakers could never have found the private money to go through bankruptcy without government help
2 - The domestic supply chains would collapse right after the automakers
3 - Millions more would end up unemployed than actually did

So fark you, Ron Paul, glad YOU'RE the one now unemployed.

* fact as accepted by the reality-based community, void in Republican circles and where otherwise prohibited
 
2012-11-11 09:46:41 AM  

Shaggy_C: GAT_00: RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.

"Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school. There's nothing wrong with his views from a conceptual framework, but they don't work in a world where the United States is depended upon for both economic and military security worldwide. If he were a candidate in say, a Liechtenstein or Monaco, his ideas would be quite compelling.


But how would he dodge answering questions on his personal socially conservative worldview on issues if he didn't have "States Rights" to fall back on? Are Lichtenstein and Monaco hotbeds of John Birch conspiracy theory worldviews and I just didn't know it?

No one finds Ron Paul appealing other than a tiny minority of American Republicans.
 
2012-11-11 09:48:10 AM  
Americans haven't heard the last of libertarian icon Ron Paul

There are only so many more election cycles after which this can likely be said. Dude's gettin' old. He isn't going to live forever.

/ knowing our luck he'll be the next Strom Thurmond and just hang around forever fart-walking around the halls
 
2012-11-11 09:49:27 AM  

Shaggy_C: He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school


I stand by my point. Understanding an idiotic economic system that has utterly failed to deliver in any economy doesn't mean you know something of value.
 
2012-11-11 09:52:39 AM  
As much as I like the libertarians....they've got issues. for starters, a solid third of the libertarians in the midstate seem to be thinly disguised racists. which, I grant you, is better than the local GOP, who seem to be mostly out of the closet with their racism....but still. I despise racists. the other problem i've got with the libertarians around here is they seem to believe that being looted and pillaged by a corporation is some sort of honor. they LOVE to get screwed over by a corporation - comcast, marcellus shale, tyco electronics...they LURVE to see their jobs outsourced, their money taken, rights trampled on...to them, it's a reason to celebrate. IMHO anyone who trusts Comcast to behave themselves without some sort form of outside regulation is an idiot. those sons of biatches would slap a meter on the internet and expect you to pay top dollar just to read the news or access your twitter feed.

so...as much as I like the theory behind the libertarians, what they practice isn't anywhere near the reality. and they really really gotta dump the racists.
 
2012-11-11 09:53:56 AM  
Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul
 
2012-11-11 09:54:08 AM  

yousaywut: Boxcutta: The fruit of his loins is in Senate so his awful ideas live on, they're just spouted from underneath a poodle toupe.

I'de watch the next couple of election cycles as well. His followers really jumped up into quite a few state level R leadership positions. Some of his (no way in hell ever gonna get done) policies were quite extreme. But he did have a few implimentable ideas that were quite realistic.


Which ones specifically? Rolling back the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because those lunch counter owners would have eventually done the right thing because of the invisible hand or something.
 
2012-11-11 09:55:25 AM  
Weaver, despite their loud minority status on the internets Libertarians are less than 1% of the population, and have been constantly so for 30 years. they can't afford to dump anyone. Racists, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers or Methodists.
 
2012-11-11 09:55:30 AM  

Boxcutta: yousaywut: Boxcutta: The fruit of his loins is in Senate so his awful ideas live on, they're just spouted from underneath a poodle toupe.

I'de watch the next couple of election cycles as well. His followers really jumped up into quite a few state level R leadership positions. Some of his (no way in hell ever gonna get done) policies were quite extreme. But he did have a few implimentable ideas that were quite realistic.

Which ones specifically? Rolling back the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because those lunch counter owners would have eventually done the right thing because of the invisible hand or something.


Uh huh, Did you actually want an answer or are you just going to make up what you want to hear?
 
2012-11-11 09:56:27 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Weaver, despite their loud minority status on the internets Libertarians are less than 1% of the population, and have been constantly so for 30 years. they can't afford to dump anyone. Racists, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers or Methodists.


Maybe the methodists.
 
2012-11-11 09:57:27 AM  
Paul said Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney "was hit because ... one issue he was correct on, he opposed the [auto industry] bailouts, and the people in the Midwest voted against him: 'Oh, we have to be taken care of.'"

fark you, Mr. Paul. That wasn't just about certain people "wanting to be taken care of." It was a measure to stop our economy, as in the U.S. economy, from completely melting down.
 
2012-11-11 09:57:47 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: This guy needs to go quietly away.

Quickly


Where is the fun in that? This guy needs to go away slowly, followed by a huge marching band.
 
2012-11-11 09:58:56 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: But how would he dodge answering questions on his personal socially conservative worldview on issues if he didn't have "States Rights" to fall back on? Are Lichtenstein and Monaco hotbeds of John Birch conspiracy theory worldviews and I just didn't know it?


Lichtenstein didn't give women the right to vote until the 1980s, and abortion is entirely illegal in all circumstances. Their tax rate is 1.2%. It's about the closest to a Ron Paul ideal as you can get in the real world - aside from the fact that the country is almost entirely dependent upon external nations to keep the economy running.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:28 AM  

WitchyWoman: How can a doctor have such a cavalier attitude about the livelihood of thousands of people?


Some people just really hate the TSA.
 
2012-11-11 09:59:41 AM  

Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 611x404]


Came here for that

/thank you for the morning giggle
 
2012-11-11 09:59:52 AM  

Snarfangel: Spanky_McFarksalot: This guy needs to go quietly away.

Quickly

Where is the fun in that? This guy needs to go away slowly, followed by a huge marching band.


And sparkles or glitter.
 
2012-11-11 10:03:12 AM  
What an idiot.
 
2012-11-11 10:07:06 AM  
www.freedomsphoenix.com
 
2012-11-11 10:08:45 AM  

WitchyWoman: How can a doctor have such a cavalier attitude about the livelihood of thousands of people?


www.clevelandleader.com

/It's not a Godwin if it's true.
 
2012-11-11 10:11:29 AM  

Shaggy_C: toomuchwhargarbl: But how would he dodge answering questions on his personal socially conservative worldview on issues if he didn't have "States Rights" to fall back on? Are Lichtenstein and Monaco hotbeds of John Birch conspiracy theory worldviews and I just didn't know it?

Lichtenstein didn't give women the right to vote until the 1980s, and abortion is entirely illegal in all circumstances. Their tax rate is 1.2%. It's about the closest to a Ron Paul ideal as you can get in the real world - aside from the fact that the country is almost entirely dependent upon external nations to keep the economy running.


So your perfect country example for Austrian economics has no applicable uses to other countries.

BRILLIANT.
 
2012-11-11 10:12:11 AM  

Weaver95: As much as I like the libertarians....they've got issues. for starters, a solid third of the libertarians in the midstate seem to be thinly disguised racists. which, I grant you, is better than the local GOP, who seem to be mostly out of the closet with their racism....but still. I despise racists. the other problem i've got with the libertarians around here is they seem to believe that being looted and pillaged by a corporation is some sort of honor. they LOVE to get screwed over by a corporation - comcast, marcellus shale, tyco electronics...they LURVE to see their jobs outsourced, their money taken, rights trampled on...to them, it's a reason to celebrate. IMHO anyone who trusts Comcast to behave themselves without some sort form of outside regulation is an idiot. those sons of biatches would slap a meter on the internet and expect you to pay top dollar just to read the news or access your twitter feed.

so...as much as I like the theory behind the libertarians, what they practice isn't anywhere near the reality. and they really really gotta dump the racists.



If you bring up comcast they will retort "Well the only reason Comcast exists is because of Big Government in the first place". Which is a fair point I guess, because there's no way any cable companies would ever exist without the government.

They'll then go on about how competing cable companies would definitely exist because they'd be more efficient... completely ignoring how insanely difficult it would be to get easement rights from everyone on the planet to run their cable poles. In a free market system all it takes is one ahole claiming he wants 50% of your profits to use his property, then bam, no cable lines for anyone.
 
2012-11-11 10:22:11 AM  
The comments are full of automatons with poor reasoning skills and a dismal grasp on American history. I hate every single last one of them. Idiots being guided by someone because he shows them a "truth" that doesn't and has never existed.
 
2012-11-11 10:23:10 AM  

Weaver95: As much as I like the libertarians....they've got issues. for starters, a solid third of the libertarians in the midstate seem to be thinly disguised racists. which, I grant you, is better than the local GOP, who seem to be mostly out of the closet with their racism....but still. I despise racists. the other problem i've got with the libertarians around here is they seem to believe that being looted and pillaged by a corporation is some sort of honor. they LOVE to get screwed over by a corporation - comcast, marcellus shale, tyco electronics...they LURVE to see their jobs outsourced, their money taken, rights trampled on...to them, it's a reason to celebrate. IMHO anyone who trusts Comcast to behave themselves without some sort form of outside regulation is an idiot. those sons of biatches would slap a meter on the internet and expect you to pay top dollar just to read the news or access your twitter feed.

so...as much as I like the theory behind the libertarians, what they practice isn't anywhere near the reality. and they really really gotta dump the racists.


I have been lurking on this board for more than six years. I've been there since the days of czarangelus and all the various alts of Afternoon Dog Delight.

You've changed a bit, Weaver, and the American right has gotten even further unhinged. The gulf between you and them is so vast now that I can't believe I considered you a right-winger then.

This is not a complaint :)
 
2012-11-11 10:23:38 AM  

Shaggy_C: "Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school.


The Austrian School is the Creationism of economics. He understands the Federal Reserve system so much, he wants to replace the system with the very thing it was created to replace due to the inadequacies of the old system.
 
2012-11-11 10:26:36 AM  

MithrandirBooga: In a free market system all it takes is one ahole claiming he wants 50% of your profits to use his property, then bam, no cable lines for anyone.


There's ways around that particular issue... 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-11 10:27:10 AM  
I really feel the poor dude really got screwed at the GOP convention this year.
 
2012-11-11 10:31:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: GAT_00: RON PAUL is somewhere between Grandpa Simpson and Time Cube on the relevancy scale. Crazy old man who doesn't know a damn thing about anything but somehow has millions of deluded fans who hang on his every word like a cult.

"Doesn't know a damn thing"? He has a very strong understanding of the federal reserve system and various economic theories, particularly the Austrian school. There's nothing wrong with his views from a conceptual framework, but they don't work in a world where the United States is depended upon for both economic and military security worldwide. If he were a candidate in say, a Liechtenstein or Monaco, his ideas would be quite compelling.


How dare you spout a non-mainstream-liberal idea in here. How DARE you, sir!
 
2012-11-11 10:33:14 AM  

Masso: I really feel the poor dude really got screwed at the GOP convention this year.


Yea, that taking a "vote" and then reading the "results" before anyone could say no was classic.
 
2012-11-11 10:34:11 AM  

Masso: I really feel the poor dude really got screwed at the GOP convention this year.


yeah he did. Romney was the Chosen One prior to the convention and that's all there was to it.
 
2012-11-11 10:35:09 AM  
Oppose the auto bailouts and watch mysteriously as manufacturing infrastructure permanently shifts to an asian country where their government is bailing out their auto industry.

Also, Mitt MAY not have lost as many points as he did over the auto industry if he hadn't lied so goddamn farking much about it. He is lucky he got a MI or OH vote at all after the final Jeep lie.

I can respect the solution of "fark everyone let the market sort it out" as a preferential alternative to government-assisted regulatory-capturing monopolies ruling the country. What I can't respect is when the proponents of such a solution are the first in line to support the latter anyways; something the Republicans have shown themselves to be right on top of every single time they get power.

Health care is the simplest example. It very obviously doesn't function well without regulations, but they don't deregulate it. Instead they give us part D. It's costs are hidden when its attached to businesses, but they don't care about that. Their states' rights attitude falls apart when they want one state to be able to sell insurance to the other 49, thus taking away their regulatory abilities, as well as any hope of transparency to the consumer. They can't even get on board with a health care exchange.

These people understand jack and shiat about the free market and are just a cobbled together mix of robber barons and an ignorant poor who skipped their history classes. Then they all get together and scream free market at us despite not having a clue what the invisible hand even is, how it functions, what externalities, what a tragedy of the commons is, etc.

fark that bullshiat, and Ron Paul and his gold standard can suck my balls.
 
2012-11-11 10:38:19 AM  

Masso: I really feel the poor dude really got screwed at the GOP convention this year.


He did, although I'm not sure it surprised anyone but Paul supporters. Maybe not even them.
 
2012-11-11 10:38:38 AM  

Weaver95: Masso: I really feel the poor dude really got screwed at the GOP convention this year.

yeah he did. Romney was the Chosen One prior to the convention and that's all there was to it.


Would it have mattered? If the media gave RP all the time in the world, would it have mattered once they got a few states into the primaries anyways?

I would have liked to see RPs ideas float around more, if only to see Republicans forced to discuss their rhetoric - highlighting both how poor many of Paul's ideas are as well as how shiatty the real policies of Romney are. But I don't think anyone but Mitt had a chance there. Out of the Republican primaries I don't think anyone other than Mitt would have done as well as he did in the general, either. I said this in a thread just last week, but I think Ron Paul survives as a respectable politician only because people don't really know him or his ideas. The more I learned the less I liked him, anyway.
 
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