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(The New York Times)   Nate Silver does a recap of all the polling firms to see how accurate they actually were. CNN? Pretty good. Rasmussen? Pretty bad. Gallup? It might be time to get out of the polling business   (fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 166
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2012-11-11 11:44:26 AM

DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.


They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?
 
2012-11-11 11:45:43 AM
I respect the work of 538, but to say that the most innacurate pollsters in your sample population should be discarded reeks of jackbooting thugs.
 
2012-11-11 11:45:44 AM

DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.


"Rocks, sand, and grains don't vote."
 
2012-11-11 11:45:51 AM

DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.


So they're population density deniers?
 
2012-11-11 11:45:52 AM

Monual: I wonder what he's going to call his new polling firm?


Either Blackwater. or Phillip-Morris.
 
2012-11-11 11:46:28 AM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Pretty interesting about how all we heard from the rightwingosphere was "polls r biased against Republicans!!1"... turns out that, on average, polls were actually biased against Democrats.


HAHAHAHAHAHAH
THIS THIS MORE THIS and ONLY FARKING THIS

ANYONE who still talks about polls being meaningless or biased in the reverse direction of the actual bias are either: lying, delusional or ignorant.

The best part is that the GOP supporters and leaders alike, will continue to live in their glass bubble. They have been living there too long to move. None of the other neighborhood want them to move next door. They are bad neighbors.

They will continue to do their own poling and trust their own results. They will continue to trust polls which support their world view and distrust everyone else.

Reality ??? HAHAHAHAH
 
2012-11-11 11:47:38 AM

BKITU: "Rocks, sand, and grains don't vote."


You haven't looked at Republican voters lately, have you?
 
2012-11-11 11:47:39 AM
Nate properly mentions hurricane Sandy as a reason that Obama was underestimated. But the other reason was how many voters turned out because of the suppression the attempted suppression. It backfired and made more people vote Democratic that might have not voted.
 
2012-11-11 11:48:39 AM

12349876: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

So they're population density deniers?


almost...needed..new..keyboard...magnificent bastard
 
2012-11-11 11:48:46 AM

DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.


I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:26 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Did you see the Boortz article from earlier this week where he was telling the GOP to give up gay rights, abortion, and a few other things? Last night I caught him basically saying Romney wasn't conservative enough.


Yeah, this one: Link.

I can see where he might advise the party to change its ways while in the throes of post-election despair, and then totally turn around and return to spouting their usual nonsense within days. Those guys all live in the Tea Party bubble...aka the echo-chamber, so instead of learning something rational from their defeat, they'll go more conservatard for '14.

Two years from now they'll lose more House and Senate seats before doubling down again for '16, when they'll not only not win the White House, but they'll lose control of the House. It will be '18 before they start making gains in Congress, and '24 before they stand a realistic chance of taking the White House...and only then if they ditch the Tards.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:41 AM

Doc Daneeka: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?


I would go a step further, how long before they stop being friends? I have found that the deluded GOP people which I have known, become intolerable after enough years. First I had to listen to 8 years of slicky willy, then 8 years of bush, you have to stand behind the president during times of war, then 4 years of obama is destroying america.

Life became so wonderful after unfriending them.
 
2012-11-11 11:50:29 AM

Doc Daneeka: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?


It's not just population density. To win an election, you need 50% plus 1 vote in an area. Republicans are more than happy the create their party platforms in such a way that red states win them 65% of the vote, but lose the vote by relatively small amounts in large states.
 
2012-11-11 11:50:51 AM

BKITU: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

"Rocks, sand, and grains don't vote."


Yes, but somewhere near the deserts of Barstow, Snoopy's brother Spike votes. Or doesn't.
 
2012-11-11 11:51:28 AM
Yall need to be a lot more selective in who you call 'friend'.
 
2012-11-11 11:52:05 AM
The #1 poll was Investor's Business Daily.

Jesus, that makes me so sad. They have such a BRILLIANT analytic paper for the stock market, yet their editorials are so goddamn batsh*t insane.
 
2012-11-11 11:52:19 AM

Kevin72: But the other reason was how many voters turned out because of the suppression the attempted suppression. It backfired and made more people vote Democratic that might have not voted.


THE BEST way to mobilize people, take away a right. Tell them they dont count.
 
2012-11-11 11:52:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.


So by that logic, military service members, veterans, and senior citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote either, since they're all on the government dole. Right?
 
2012-11-11 11:52:41 AM

DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.


I did the research for you. Obama took the 14 most densely populated states. Romney took 9 out of 11 least densely populated.
 
2012-11-11 11:52:53 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies.


However stupid that argument may be, I'm not even too sure that would change the election results much actually. Military personnel largely vote Republican, are public employees and the military happens to be the largest employer out there.
 
2012-11-11 11:53:51 AM
Whatever. I will still trust my much MANLIER right wing derp wizards, even though they're wrong about everything because they're stupid or deliberately trying to deceive me:

imageshack.us
 
2012-11-11 11:54:07 AM

Doc Daneeka: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?


12349876: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

So they're population density deniers?


Overall they're smart people. One is a civil engineer. His excuse is "there is no mandate because of all the red. The democratic message is not the will of the people. The electoral college is irrelevant". It's sad to watch an intelligent mind melt into blubber.
 
2012-11-11 11:54:27 AM

Gwyrddu: LouDobbsAwaaaay: (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies.

However stupid that argument may be, I'm not even too sure that would change the election results much actually. Military personnel largely vote Republican, are public employees and the military happens to be the largest employer out there.


Just a minor correction here: Military 'officers' are largely Republican. Military grunts and non-officer rankings tend to be a mix, Democratic, or apolitical(the best choice for military men, I believe).
 
2012-11-11 11:55:14 AM

NewportBarGuy: The #1 poll was Investor's Business Daily.

Jesus, that makes me so sad. They have such a BRILLIANT analytic paper for the stock market, yet their editorials are so goddamn batsh*t insane.


Google Surveys turned out to be one of the most accurate as well.

Which is funny, because I distinctly remember tenpoundsofderp on here a couple weeks ago saying that the Google polling should be ignored since it wasn't legitimate or reliable.
 
2012-11-11 11:56:06 AM

Doc Daneeka: LouDobbsAwaaaay: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.

So by that logic, military service members, veterans, and senior citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote either, since they're all on the government dole. Right?


Don't forget any employee of a business that takes a gov. contract, tax break for companies, property tax variance etc. etc.
 
2012-11-11 11:56:38 AM

12349876:
So they're population density deniers?


Have you ever read political textbooks in Texas?

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. The EARTH. As a creation of God, the Earth itself is holy. And those districts which contain more Earth per person have move divinely-inspired direction on who the best person as President should be."
 
2012-11-11 11:57:07 AM

Carth: I think it is a matter of most polls didn't anticipate how effective obama's get out to vote efforts would be. From what I read his was the first campaign to run it as well as they did so it likely didn't show up


except this is a bit silly. the polls that were wrong, were wrong for many different reasons.
this might be ONE of the many reasons, but it is not THE reason.
Unless the polls release the methodology and adjustments used, there is little or no way to determine the causes.

What we do know for a FACT, is that certain polls were very accurate and certain polls are worthless pieces of shiat.
 
2012-11-11 11:57:28 AM

Doc Daneeka: So by that logic, military service members, veterans, and senior citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote either, since they're all on the government dole. Right?


This is the kind of forced introspection that motivated him to rage-quit his FB friendship with me. He never had any answers to these questions, and finally just got tired of me asking.
 
2012-11-11 12:00:00 PM
Well, it's real simple:

Whatever Gallup and Rasmussen are doing is THE WRONG WAY.

Whatever IBD and Google are doing is THE RIGHT WAY.
 
2012-11-11 12:00:12 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Derpublican hacks on Fixed News Fair and Benghazi were right! The polls aren't accurate


It was REALLY cute how faux has been complaining about how unfair it was the Benghazi didnt get the proper true story reported!!!

NO ONE PAID ATTENTION TO US!

/The best PART, given the quality of fauxnews, when they finally get a story right, we will never know.
 
2012-11-11 12:02:34 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.


Peel away the layers and you're left with someone who wants only white land-owning males to have the vote.
 
2012-11-11 12:04:15 PM

DamnYankees: I'm an idiot. I see PPP now.


I see the PP too...
 
2012-11-11 12:04:55 PM

CynicalLA: It's just too funny that the Fark Independents ended up confusing their alternate reality polling.


I'm a Fark Independent, and I also respect and trust Nate Silver. I knew when I voted for Romney, that he didn't have a chance.

One of the reasons I'm an Independent and not a Republican is that I believe in math and science. I've been following Nate long enough to know he was reporting facts. And despite the fact that those facts didn't tell me what I wanted to hear, they were the truth. I live in Wisconsin, and I remember just a few months ago Nate gave an edge to Governor Walker in the recall. At that time, there were those on the left that were coming up with various reasons that Nate was wrong. Of course I don't remember anyone attacking Nate on a personal level. The lesson that everyone can learn from this is that it's easy to listen to those who tell you what you want to hear. But a good leader has to have the wisdom to look beyond what he or she wants to hear, and see things as they truly are. The fact that Romney was blindsided by the elections outcome shows that he may not have been the best choice to lead our country.
 
2012-11-11 12:05:40 PM
This article: Too gay sounding; didn't read
 
2012-11-11 12:06:33 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Doc Daneeka: So by that logic, military service members, veterans, and senior citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote either, since they're all on the government dole. Right?

This is the kind of forced introspection that motivated him to rage-quit his FB friendship with me. He never had any answers to these questions, and finally just got tired of me asking.


I had a "friend" exclaim how he was going to "buy some guns" right after the election. Yep, still whipping out that old canard. When someone pointed out that the only legislation Obama passed was the bill allowing gun possession in national parks, and that Romney had actually passed an assault weapons ban, they were told to "get stuffed". Yeah, you wouldn't want facts to cloud up your idiocy, you farking moran.

I feel bad, but when I hear from these tards, and their inability to defend their positions with reason or logic or facts or data, I lose all respect for them as a person, and really don't give a fark if I ever see or hear from them again.
 
2012-11-11 12:08:28 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Not completely related, but I used some of Nate's data to make this. Feel free to post it on FB, or wherever people want to rationalize voter ID laws and all the other shiat the GOP has been doing to suppress voter turnout.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 617x449]



What's your R^2?
 
2012-11-11 12:09:16 PM

BigBooper: CynicalLA: It's just too funny that the Fark Independents ended up confusing their alternate reality polling.

I'm a Fark Independent, and I also respect and trust Nate Silver. I knew when I voted for Romney, that he didn't have a chance.

One of the reasons I'm an Independent and not a Republican is that I believe in math and science. I've been following Nate long enough to know he was reporting facts. And despite the fact that those facts didn't tell me what I wanted to hear, they were the truth. I live in Wisconsin, and I remember just a few months ago Nate gave an edge to Governor Walker in the recall. At that time, there were those on the left that were coming up with various reasons that Nate was wrong. Of course I don't remember anyone attacking Nate on a personal level. The lesson that everyone can learn from this is that it's easy to listen to those who tell you what you want to hear. But a good leader has to have the wisdom to look beyond what he or she wants to hear, and see things as they truly are. The fact that Romney was blindsided by the elections outcome shows that he may not have been the best choice to lead our country.


You give me hope.
 
2012-11-11 12:10:08 PM

Infernalist: Well, it's real simple:

Whatever Gallup and Rasmussen are doing is THE WRONG WAY.

Whatever IBD and Google are doing is THE RIGHT WAY.


and yet, rasmussen probably wont change much. it is possible that gallup could change, but the trend is that they KNOW what they are doing, why should results matter??? LOL
 
2012-11-11 12:10:47 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.


Well, that's a new straw to grasp at, I'll give him that.

Not "majority of the country if you look at the map is red waaah!" but actually working out the acreage, that's a new angle. MATHEMATICAL!
 
2012-11-11 12:12:15 PM

zelachang: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Not completely related, but I used some of Nate's data to make this. Feel free to post it on FB, or wherever people want to rationalize voter ID laws and all the other shiat the GOP has been doing to suppress voter turnout.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 617x449]


What's your R^2?


0.069
 
2012-11-11 12:12:25 PM

Doc Daneeka: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?


Show the this. 2012 results with the state sizes adjusted for population

www-personal.umich.edu

From: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/el ection/2012/
 
2012-11-11 12:12:52 PM

Weaver95: if he keeps telling it like it is and proving his methodology to be correct, someone is gonna put a hit out on his ass. I admire his dedication to the truth but there are a LOT of people out there who do NOT like it when you call 'em out on their bullshiat. you can't just walk away from those people clean...they'll find you and they will get you.

I hope he's got a REAL good bodyguard.


Karl Rove is in more danger than Nate Silver. Nate could a useful tool, specially with his credibility. Karl sold his credibility for all the money he wasted on this election cycle. I haven't seen Nate break a sweat. Karl, on the other hand, lost his marbles on Fox News during election coverage. How much vig can you owe, yet, still keep you alive? Karl is looking like the walking dead.
 
2012-11-11 12:14:51 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: LouDobbsAwaaaay: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

I got a lot of this from a right-wing friend in the last election (he has since rage-quit our FB friendship, so I don't know how he handled this one, though I expect he didn't take it well). His arguments for the state really counting for republicans were: (1) if you counted the vote based on the total acreage of counties voting R/D, R wins, and (2) public employees shouldn't be allowed to vote because they just vote for the Dem who will give them more freebies. I don't know if he was this stupid back when we were actual friends in college, or if he just descended into madness when he moved to northern WI and got lost in the echo-chamber.

Well, that's a new straw to grasp at, I'll give him that.

Not "majority of the country if you look at the map is red waaah!" but actually working out the acreage, that's a new angle. MATHEMATICAL!


That's too complicated for the GOP so their new strategy is to split up the electoral vote by districts.

"If at first you don't succeed...cheat."
 
2012-11-11 12:15:15 PM

DubyaHater: Overall they're smart people. One is a civil engineer.


I know many engineers, family included. Book smarts don't translate into world smarts. The hoary old joke, usually reserved for professors, is they learned more and more about less and less until eventually knowing everything about nothing.
 
2012-11-11 12:16:22 PM

BigBooper: CynicalLA: It's just too funny that the Fark Independents ended up confusing their alternate reality polling.

I'm a Fark Independent, and I also respect and trust Nate Silver. I knew when I voted for Romney, that he didn't have a chance.

One of the reasons I'm an Independent and not a Republican is that I believe in math and science. I've been following Nate long enough to know he was reporting facts. And despite the fact that those facts didn't tell me what I wanted to hear, they were the truth. I live in Wisconsin, and I remember just a few months ago Nate gave an edge to Governor Walker in the recall. At that time, there were those on the left that were coming up with various reasons that Nate was wrong. Of course I don't remember anyone attacking Nate on a personal level. The lesson that everyone can learn from this is that it's easy to listen to those who tell you what you want to hear. But a good leader has to have the wisdom to look beyond what he or she wants to hear, and see things as they truly are. The fact that Romney was blindsided by the elections outcome shows that he may not have been the best choice to lead our country.


They definitely need more people like you voting Republican. There is just too much crazy in the party for me to even consider voting for them.
 
2012-11-11 12:16:52 PM

zelachang: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Not completely related, but I used some of Nate's data to make this. Feel free to post it on FB, or wherever people want to rationalize voter ID laws and all the other shiat the GOP has been doing to suppress voter turnout.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 617x449]


What's your R^2?


Oh, stat snap.
 
2012-11-11 12:16:55 PM

depsilor: I wonder what the REAL results would have been if all the Republican shenanigans hadn't worked. The GOP succeeded in getting the results as close as they were.

Unfortunately some still believe all this cunning could still work next time.

/second post ever


From what I understand their suppression tactics actually motivated people to get out and vote. So, the effect ranged from a minimal benefit to a small negative. The only thing that really benefited them was redistricting, which save a bunch of House seats.
 
2012-11-11 12:20:14 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: namatad: PLEASE dont change GOP!! We love you just the way you are!!!

Did you see the Boortz article from earlier this week where he was telling the GOP to give up gay rights, abortion, and a few other things? Last night I caught him basically saying Romney wasn't conservative enough.


Sounds good to me. I'm waiting for the next GOP presidential candidate to demand that Americans wear black uniforms and jackboots at all times. I'm waiting fror the GOP's total popular vote to be lower than the Zionist Socialist Party. I'm waiting until you can say "Who's the Republican candidate this year?" and other people will look at you and say "Who?"
 
2012-11-11 12:20:36 PM

Gwyrddu: Krymson Tyde: He just completely ignores Unskewed's poll.

WTF Nate?

Unskewed polls wasn't actually a poll though, it was a forecast based on polls, just like Nate Silver except without the math.


He actually did start doing his own online poll.
 
2012-11-11 12:22:55 PM

namatad: Doc Daneeka: DubyaHater: A couple of my right-leaning friends are still having teenage girl-level hissy fits over the election. They're looking at the overall popular vote map and wondering how Obama could possibly win "with that sea of red" in the middle of the country. I don't have the heart to explain it and I'd rather not lose a friend over the election.

They honestly don't understand the concept of population density?

I would go a step further, how long before they stop being friends? I have found that the deluded GOP people which I have known, become intolerable after enough years. First I had to listen to 8 years of slicky willy, then 8 years of bush, you have to stand behind the president during times of war, then 4 years of obama is destroying america.

Life became so wonderful after unfriending them.


I pretty much don't talk to anyone anymore unless I absolutely have to.
 
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