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(Chicago Trib)   Notre Dame is 10-0, and the BCS will undoubtedly find a way to make up some sort of mathematical formula that will keep them out of the #1 spot, but the Coach's poll should get it right   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 106
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2012-11-11 09:00:51 AM
Nate Silver? Yes, put down the cognac. The BCS needs you.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:10 AM
Oregon and Kansas State would both roll right through Notre Dame. ND is third, at best. Alabama is better than ND but the Tide laid an egg yesterday.
 
2012-11-11 10:09:10 AM
I'll have some of whatever subby has been smoking. ND will be #3, right where they belong.
 
2012-11-11 10:10:35 AM
I believe that formula would be "doesn't belong to a conference, so fark them."
 
2012-11-11 10:13:42 AM
It'd help if they didn't almost lose to shiatty teams like PItt and Purdue ... and BYU
 
2012-11-11 10:15:46 AM
Poor old Notre Dame...they never get any respect in the media.
 
2012-11-11 10:16:30 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Oregon and Kansas State would both roll right through Notre Dame. ND is third, at best. Alabama is better than ND but the Tide laid an egg yesterday.


Isn't it wonderful that all four will get a chance to prove themselves against each other on the field so that at the end of the season there can be no possible disp-- oh, right, this is college football we're talking about. (sigh) Resume discussing the real-world consequences of imaginary football games.
 
2012-11-11 10:19:11 AM
Terrible pass offense - if they ever get behind, they're going to be in real trouble. A team that can't throw the ball really shouldn't be number one, but then again LSU and Alabama have both won titles in recent years with nothing but defense and a running game, so...shows what I know.
 
2012-11-11 10:27:16 AM
If only ND could get some respect in this country.

Seriously, their tough schedule has turned out to be pretty average. And yet they have still managed to keep a lot of games close. SOS has fallen to 28th in the Country. So the argument is pretty weak. Oregon's SOS is 9th, KSU is 31, but they have been dominant.

I loathe Oregon, but they would roll ND. KSU I am not so high on, they are one Klein injury from being mediocre.
 
2012-11-11 10:36:38 AM

funktilious_j: SOS has fallen to 28th in the Country


A lot of these games get scheduled 2-3 years in advance. In any event, it's not a creampuff schedule by any stretch of the imagination. Also, I would dare say that the difference between any of the top 10 teams is a lot smaller than you think it is. In any event, I'm rooting for ND to finish undefeated at #3. That'll really crank up the pressure for a BCS playoff.
 
2012-11-11 10:39:16 AM

NewWorldDan: funktilious_j: SOS has fallen to 28th in the Country

A lot of these games get scheduled 2-3 years in advance. In any event, it's not a creampuff schedule by any stretch of the imagination. Also, I would dare say that the difference between any of the top 10 teams is a lot smaller than you think it is. In any event, I'm rooting for ND to finish undefeated at #3. That'll really crank up the pressure for a BCS playoff.


Already set

Not enough teams imo but it's a start
 
2012-11-11 10:49:44 AM

funktilious_j: SOS has fallen to 28th in the Country.


...and playing 5 ACC teams a year isn't going to help that, IMO.
 
2012-11-11 10:54:27 AM
Yes. Poor, persecuted Notre Dame. Always with the odds and the powers-that-be stacked against them, vainly struggling to carry on in a world that doesn't give them any respect or television coverage or 18 million bandwagon fans.
 
2012-11-11 11:03:24 AM
notre dame sucks. they're kinda like florida this year. neither team should have the record that they have and both are ranked too high. it will probably self-correct in a couple of weeks when usc beats notre dame and florida st beats florida though
 
2012-11-11 11:04:48 AM
As a ND fan, I think they should be #3. Drop Ala. to 4. For years the SEC has cried that the regular season is a playoff and the BCS is just fine. Well, bye....
 
2012-11-11 11:07:11 AM
If only there were a network devoted to Notre Dame's escapades!
 
2012-11-11 11:18:59 AM
They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.
 
2012-11-11 11:19:52 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: Nate Silver? Yes, put down the cognac. The BCS needs you.


Current polling and projections give the BCS a 72 percent chance of screwing something up. Remember, it is probability analysis.
 
2012-11-11 11:25:02 AM
Look at all the Notre Dame apologists. Seriously, fark you guys and fark your special rights football school.
 
2012-11-11 11:26:42 AM

TheManofPA: They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.


And rightly so. ND has lived off of their ultimate Storied College status for decades now.

Join a conference or be laughed at, Notre Dame.

The B1G offered numerous times, but ND was always too convinced ND is God's Gift to Football.
 
2012-11-11 11:27:24 AM
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/this thread is full of it
 
2012-11-11 11:27:47 AM
The coach's poll? Which coach has his own poll?
 
2012-11-11 11:34:49 AM
Don't worry. They'll get embarrassed by UGA or Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and life will go on.
 
2012-11-11 11:36:19 AM
With no conference championship to artificially boost their SOS, they'll suffer the final week regardless of this week. Oregon knows a bit about that.
 
2012-11-11 11:40:17 AM

PowerSlacker: I'll have some of whatever subby has been smoking. ND will be #3, right where they belong.


Yep - there are 3 unbeatens (setting aside schools who let players get illicit tattoos) and Notre Dame is clearly third best.

/In a playoff system, they would play K-State in the semifinals, while the other game would feature Oregon against the SEC champ. How is this even debatable?
//of course we have to wait a couple of years to implement that wild 'settle it on the field' concept
 
2012-11-11 11:40:29 AM
notre dame appears to have a tougher schedule than oregon, so i wouldn't be mad if oregon got left out. oregon played an embarrassingly bad out of conference schedule and it would be nice to see them punished for it the same way that auburn (deservedly) did in 2004.
if you look at their 6 toughest games, it's pretty even
notre dame............................................oregon
stanford.................................................stanford
oklahoma...............................................oregon st
usc........................................................usc
byu........................................................usc or ucla
michigan................................................fresno st
michigan st............................................arizona
 
2012-11-11 11:41:00 AM
WTF. A&M beats the #1 one school and doesn't budge a single spot? The #2 #3 and #4 schools all win and Bama is still at the top? How in the hell did Stanford drop a spot by beating #11? Am I the only one who thinks none of these polls make any sense? Sure I can see some BS Voodoo in the BCS but across the AP and Coach's Poll?
 
2012-11-11 11:42:07 AM
Where does TAMU move up to? They have 2 losses but just beat the #1 team on the road.

I bet Michael Slive is pissed they were allowed to join the conference...
 
2012-11-11 11:48:03 AM
Oregon will go undefeated.
Kansas St. will go undefeated.
The Nation Championship Game will feature Notre Dame and a one loss Alabama.

/The screams of hate will be deafening.
 
2012-11-11 11:51:07 AM

chuggernaught: Oregon will go undefeated.
Kansas St. will go undefeated.
The Nation Championship Game will feature Notre Dame and a one loss Alabama.

/The screams of hate will be deafening.


What about the LSU-Alabama re-re-rematch?!!!!
 
2012-11-11 11:56:14 AM

chuggernaught: Oregon will go undefeated.
Kansas St. will go undefeated.
The Nation Championship Game will feature Notre Dame and a one loss Alabama.

/The screams of hate will be deafening.


If the human polls had their way, yes, but the BCS computers *detest* ND and *love* Oregon and K-State.
 
2012-11-11 11:57:43 AM
fark Notre Dame, forever and always. The best years in America were the last few years when you were irrelevant. Please move back to obscurity where you belong. Thank you.

signed, Everyone Else
 
2012-11-11 11:59:23 AM
Notre Dame is the weakest of the undefeated teams. Not even close. They will lose to USC, so all this will be moot.
 
2012-11-11 12:36:02 PM
ND only put up 3 touchdowns against BC. That'll be their excuse.
 
2012-11-11 12:44:47 PM
I can't wait til ND faces a real team in a bowl and gets its face melted off.
 
2012-11-11 12:51:26 PM

funky monkey: WTF. A&M beats the #1 one school and doesn't budge a single spot? The #2 #3 and #4 schools all win and Bama is still at the top? How in the hell did Stanford drop a spot by beating #11? Am I the only one who thinks none of these polls make any sense? Sure I can see some BS Voodoo in the BCS but across the AP and Coach's Poll?


You are looking at last week's polls.
 
2012-11-11 12:52:16 PM

JosephFinn: I believe that formula would be "doesn't belong to a conference, so fark them."


I think teams should just not schedule ND until they join a conference.
 
2012-11-11 12:53:39 PM
The zebras won 2 of the games for ND. They are overrated.

Bama should have lost last week also.

Two teams that should have 2 losses.
 
2012-11-11 01:03:01 PM

ClavellBCMI: If the human polls had their way, yes, but the BCS computers *detest* ND and *love* Oregon and K-State.


The human polls hate Oregon and K-State so much they're ranked No. 1 and 2.

/Notre Dame isn't playing USC in South Bend - they're f*cked. They used South Bend refs to beat Stanford and Pitt - what are they going to do when the refs don't ignore TDs to give them wins? Or give them catches they don't make, and PI they don't earn?
 
2012-11-11 01:03:03 PM
Isn't K-State being ranked #1 one of the signs of the apocalypse?

/remember when they were so bad, it would make Northwestern, Ball State, and Temple blush.
 
2012-11-11 01:19:36 PM

funky monkey: WTF. A&M beats the #1 one school and doesn't budge a single spot? The #2 #3 and #4 schools all win and Bama is still at the top? How in the hell did Stanford drop a spot by beating #11? Am I the only one who thinks none of these polls make any sense? Sure I can see some BS Voodoo in the BCS but across the AP and Coach's Poll?


They need room for six SEC teams in the top 12. They deserve, with a total one of combined OOC win against a BCS conference opponent.
 
2012-11-11 01:28:36 PM
Notre Dame is the most over-ranked team in recent memory.
 
2012-11-11 01:37:45 PM
Oregon is simply unstoppable at this point. You can't negotiate with them, you can't defend against them, you can only hope that Chip Kelly will be merciful and not grind you into the dirt. Oregon hasn't scored less than 40 points IN EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. They're like a damn tsunami of football. You issue a warning to everyone and try to stay out of it's way.
 
2012-11-11 01:38:43 PM

French Rage: funky monkey: WTF. A&M beats the #1 one school and doesn't budge a single spot? The #2 #3 and #4 schools all win and Bama is still at the top? How in the hell did Stanford drop a spot by beating #11? Am I the only one who thinks none of these polls make any sense? Sure I can see some BS Voodoo in the BCS but across the AP and Coach's Poll?

They need room for six SEC teams in the top 12. They deserve, with a total one of combined OOC win against a BCS conference opponent.


just off the top of my head, i know that lsu beat washington and alabama beat michigan.
 
2012-11-11 01:42:52 PM

novschmozkapop: Oregon is simply unstoppable at this point. You can't negotiate with them, you can't defend against them, you can only hope that Chip Kelly will be merciful and not grind you into the dirt. Oregon hasn't scored less than 40 points IN EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. They're like a damn tsunami of football. You issue a warning to everyone and try to stay out of it's way.


oregon is beatable. it just requires a large, physical defensive line and a month to prepare. a couple of years ago, auburn wouldn't have won if they had played oregon during the regular season. but with 6 weeks to prepare, they were able to get in game shape, practice against against the hurry up, and execute a great defensive game plan. because of their style of play and their talent, oregon will always win a lot of games in the regular season. whether or not they win in the bowl season is kind of a toss-up. if they execute well and are well-prepared for their opponent, they should win.
 
2012-11-11 01:45:32 PM
Hahahahaha, Sagarin's rankings actually left Alabama untouched at #1, and moved A&M into 4th, bumping ND to 5th.

/SU fan
//yesterday was about as enjoyable as it's been since McNabb graduated
 
2012-11-11 01:48:42 PM

funktilious_j: Klein



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2012-11-11 01:53:48 PM
I would rank K-State #1, ND #2, and Oregon #3. Oregon has taken advantage of the fact they are media darlings and have had a relatively easy schedule, at least when compared to K-State and N.D. If Oregon beats an equally overrated Stanford, the best ND can hope for is #2. They will need for Texas to take down Kstate. Of course, ND could lose and this discussion will come to an abrupt end.

I have always hated ND. Well, jealous of them is more like it, but I have always had respect for the schedule they play.
 
2012-11-11 01:57:10 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Oregon and Kansas State would both roll right through Notre Dame. ND is third, at best. Alabama is better than ND but the Tide laid an egg yesterday.


Pretty much this. I hate Oregon (being in Washington myself), but that team would Steamroll through ND. Hate to admit it, but Oregon looks to be the huge favorite to run away with it now.
 
2012-11-11 01:59:17 PM

animesucks: French Rage: funky monkey: WTF. A&M beats the #1 one school and doesn't budge a single spot? The #2 #3 and #4 schools all win and Bama is still at the top? How in the hell did Stanford drop a spot by beating #11? Am I the only one who thinks none of these polls make any sense? Sure I can see some BS Voodoo in the BCS but across the AP and Coach's Poll?

They need room for six SEC teams in the top 12. They deserve, with a total one of combined OOC win against a BCS conference opponent.

just off the top of my head, i know that lsu beat washington and alabama beat michigan.


Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.
 
2012-11-11 02:18:45 PM
At best, ND is third... In this poll. Oregon and Kansas State are better and both will present a much tougher game than Pitt.

Of course, Oregon or Kansas State can still lose... It's just not likely.
 
2012-11-11 02:33:22 PM

IAmRight: Notre Dame isn't playing USC in South Bend - they're f*cked


They've actually played considerably better on the road than they have in South Bend.
 
2012-11-11 02:42:02 PM
I don't understand why Norte dame should HAVE to join a conference and why it's so farkin terrible that they don't.
 
2012-11-11 02:44:02 PM

French Rage: Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.


Yes and you fail to mention the pac 12 isnt doing much better, oregon had 3 games to start the season that would rival any cupcake schedule, even the teams they play out of bcs conferences are still called cupcakes when sec teams bring them in.
 
2012-11-11 02:48:42 PM

IAmRight: ClavellBCMI: If the human polls had their way, yes, but the BCS computers *detest* ND and *love* Oregon and K-State.

The human polls hate Oregon and K-State so much they're ranked No. 1 and 2.

/Notre Dame isn't playing USC in South Bend - they're f*cked. They used South Bend refs to beat Stanford and Pitt - what are they going to do when the refs don't ignore TDs to give them wins? Or give them catches they don't make, and PI they don't earn?


Ummm.... You realize that the AWAY team picks the refs right? When ND played Stanford that was a PAC-12 crew officiating the game. It will be a Big East crew at the USC game.....
 
2012-11-11 02:49:18 PM

Malcolm_Sex: I don't understand why Norte dame should HAVE to join a conference and why it's so farkin terrible that they don't.


People hate notre dame as a tradition, which is one of the reasons they hate notre dame to begin with. They have traditions that acquired them fans across the country regardless of location . I like that Nd is an independent and schedules rivals from across the country. I like that they still graduate at a high rate. I like that they still punish players for breaking team rules. I've never seen the Nd hate until I started reading the sports threads here on fark and jesus Christ I don't get it. They are undefeated. Rank them high. When they lose rank them lower. Till then maybe your team shouldn't have lost.
 
2012-11-11 02:55:13 PM

GQueue: IAmRight: Notre Dame isn't playing USC in South Bend - they're f*cked

They've actually played considerably better on the road than they have in South Bend.


Well they'll have to actually play well instead of depending on the refs to bail 'em out, is all I'm saying.

Pumpernickel bread: I would rank K-State #1, ND #2, and Oregon #3. Oregon has taken advantage of the fact they are media darlings and have had a relatively easy schedule, at least when compared to K-State and N.D. If Oregon beats an equally overrated Stanford, the best ND can hope for is #2. They will need for Texas to take down Kstate. Of course, ND could lose and this discussion will come to an abrupt end.

I have always hated ND. Well, jealous of them is more like it, but I have always had respect for the schedule they play.


Meh, they played Chokelahoma, were gifted a game against Stanford when the refs decided TDs don't count if they're against Notre Dame, and beat a mediocre Michigan squad that got steamrolled by an actual top team.

/Oregon has three consecutive games against ranked opponents coming up; those three will put them well ahead of Notre Dame in SOS (at the top, anyway - though I'd argue Pitt isn't any better than Ark St or Tenn Tech - they DID get their ass whooped by Youngstown St. Purdue isn't any good, either.)
 
2012-11-11 02:59:16 PM

Obama's Left Nut: Ummm.... You realize that the AWAY team picks the refs right?


Notre Dame uses the Big East refs anyway - and it was a Big East review crew that failed to see the obvious TD. (Pac-12 refs were the on-field refs, but yeah, they suck dicks at officiating, too, usually f*cking the conference over.)
 
2012-11-11 03:01:42 PM
Out of all American sports, college football is the one ready for relegation. Get rid of the conferences and set up 8 tiered leagues of 15 schools each. Bottom 2 teams move down next season, top 2 teams move up. This allows the teams to have a similar schedule with the other teams in their league and allows an easy playoff format at each level.
 
2012-11-11 03:04:41 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Notre Dame is the most over-ranked team in recent memory.


They were overrated for too long, and they firmly belong behind K-State and Oregon this year (unless those teams lose), but I'm guessing your last few years were a blank? They started the season unranked. They climbed up the polls because their opponents were overrated, namely Michigan State and BYU. I'll agree this is the weakest I can ever remember seeing an undefeated #3, but to be fair, they've won tough games when teams behind them have slipped up. FSU would be ahead of them if not for N Carolina St. Ohio State would be in the running if not for tattoogate. Their offense is meh but that defense is legit. The top teams they've played turned out to be not nearly as strong as everyone thought, but they haven't had any free rides, either. BC was their first real gimme all season. OK, Purdue isn't good either, but K-State played Missouri St. and North Texas FFS. Oregon played bupkus until Week 4. The undefeated teams not named Notre Dame have basically had at least three bye weeks each.

On the flip side, despite being remarkably underrated while being the strongest conference in the country the prior few seasons, the SEC is WAAAAAY overrated this season. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina and LSU haven't beaten shiat outside their conference. The combined top teams' best OOC wins are a dismantling of a badly overrated Michigan team and A&M's squeaker over Louisiana Tech. I mean, jeepers, Mississippi St. made it as high as #11 beating this fearsome gauntlet of powerhouses: Jackson State, Auburn, Troy, South Alabama, Kentucky, Tenneseee, Middle Tennessee. Auburn and Arkansas are usually competitive but this year they're awful, and Florida just got exposed by a Sun Belt team.

As long as nobody's played nobody, Clemson's gotta be frustrated looking at all the SEC teams packed in front of it when their only sin was losing to 9-1 Florida State.
 
2012-11-11 04:24:11 PM
They beat Purdue with help from the refs and they shat their pants against Pitt. They are not a #1 caliber team.
 
2012-11-11 04:32:51 PM

animesucks: notre dame appears to have a tougher schedule than oregon, so i wouldn't be mad if oregon got left out. oregon played an embarrassingly bad out of conference schedule and it would be nice to see them punished for it the same way that auburn (deservedly) did in 2004.
if you look at their 6 toughest games, it's pretty even
notre dame............................................oregon
stanford.................................................stanford
oklahoma...............................................oregon st
usc........................................................usc
byu........................................................usc or ucla
michigan................................................fresno st
michigan st............................................arizona


Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.
 
2012-11-11 04:53:49 PM
Me, I am disappointed that Alabama won't be rolling up Notre Dame 55-3 in the BCS title game. Guess K-State or Oregon will have to do.
 
2012-11-11 05:00:41 PM
I'm personally still entertaining this scenario in my head (it would require a LOT of dominoes to fall in just the right places):

1. Oregon, K-State, and Notre Dame all win out through the regular season
2. Notre Dame, despite being 12-0, is left out of the BCS title game for their less quality wins
3. Alabama wins out from here on and becomes SEC champion
4. The BCS pits Oregon/K-State in the title game and Notre Dame/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl
5. Notre Dame beats Alabama and finishes 13-0
6. We get a split co-championship with Notre Dame #1 in the AP Poll and the Oregon/K-State winner #1 in the BCS

This would certainly be a pretty fitting end to the deeply flawed BCS system. That damn playoff can't come soon enough.
 
2012-11-11 05:30:35 PM

ScouserDuck: animesucks: notre dame appears to have a tougher schedule than oregon, so i wouldn't be mad if oregon got left out. oregon played an embarrassingly bad out of conference schedule and it would be nice to see them punished for it the same way that auburn (deservedly) did in 2004.
if you look at their 6 toughest games, it's pretty even
notre dame............................................oregon
stanford.................................................stanford
oklahoma...............................................oregon st
usc........................................................usc
byu........................................................usc or ucla
michigan................................................fresno st
michigan st............................................arizona

Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.


And by "they" I meant k-state.
 
2012-11-11 05:33:35 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: I'm personally still entertaining this scenario in my head (it would require a LOT of dominoes to fall in just the right places):

1. Oregon, K-State, and Notre Dame all win out through the regular season
2. Notre Dame, despite being 12-0, is left out of the BCS title game for their less quality wins
3. Alabama wins out from here on and becomes SEC champion
4. The BCS pits Oregon/K-State in the title game and Notre Dame/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl
5. Notre Dame beats Alabama and finishes 13-0
6. We get a split co-championship with Notre Dame #1 in the AP Poll and the Oregon/K-State winner #1 in the BCS

This would certainly be a pretty fitting end to the deeply flawed BCS system. That damn playoff can't come soon enough.


I have always the talk about split championships because in the BCS era, they do not exist. Every school signed onto the BCS system and that organization is the only one that can declare a champion. The AP poll is only a component of this ridiculous system and its granting a championship is only for the sake of tradition and is worth no more than a pile of crap in your hand. I, for one, look forward to the scenario you envision and laugh at all of the NDers crowing about their AP Championship-Flavor Trophy. And by the way, death to the BCS!!
 
2012-11-11 05:40:35 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They beat Purdue with help from the refs and they shat their pants against Pitt. They are not a #1 caliber team.


They barely beat Michigan, who committed 6 turnovers.
 
2012-11-11 05:50:43 PM

jayhawk88: Poor old Notre Dame...they never get any respect in the media.


This. Quit poor mouthing it ND fan. You've gotten special treatment longer than anyone in this thread has been breathing.
 
2012-11-11 06:03:55 PM

ScouserDuck: ScouserDuck: animesucks: notre dame appears to have a tougher schedule than oregon, so i wouldn't be mad if oregon got left out. oregon played an embarrassingly bad out of conference schedule and it would be nice to see them punished for it the same way that auburn (deservedly) did in 2004.
if you look at their 6 toughest games, it's pretty even
notre dame............................................oregon
stanford.................................................stanford
oklahoma...............................................oregon st
usc........................................................usc
byu........................................................usc or ucla
michigan................................................fresno st
michigan st............................................arizona

Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

And by "they" I meant k-state.


And there was going to be an Oregon-Georgia matchup (next year?) but that got cancelled too. It's not like Oregon doesn't try to schedule better OOC opponents (Boise St., Tennessee, and LSU are recent examples).
 
2012-11-11 06:13:34 PM

Generation_D: TheManofPA: They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.

And rightly so. ND has lived off of their ultimate Storied College status for decades now.

Join a conference or be laughed at, Notre Dame.

The B1G offered numerous times, but ND was always too convinced ND is God's Gift to Football.



Thank you for announcing to the world loudly and clearly that you know fark-all about college football. Openly pronouncing your ignorance of the sport helps us all ignore anything else you may have to say on the subject.

Link
 
2012-11-11 06:28:46 PM

downtownkid: Generation_D: TheManofPA: They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.

And rightly so. ND has lived off of their ultimate Storied College status for decades now.

Join a conference or be laughed at, Notre Dame.

The B1G offered numerous times, but ND was always too convinced ND is God's Gift to Football.


Thank you for announcing to the world loudly and clearly that you know fark-all about college football. Openly pronouncing your ignorance of the sport helps us all ignore anything else you may have to say on the subject.

Link


That article only makes Notre Dame look worse. Suck it up princesses.
 
2012-11-11 06:36:15 PM

carnifex2005: downtownkid: Generation_D: TheManofPA: They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.

And rightly so. ND has lived off of their ultimate Storied College status for decades now.

Join a conference or be laughed at, Notre Dame.

The B1G offered numerous times, but ND was always too convinced ND is God's Gift to Football.


Thank you for announcing to the world loudly and clearly that you know fark-all about college football. Openly pronouncing your ignorance of the sport helps us all ignore anything else you may have to say on the subject.

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That article only makes Notre Dame look worse. Suck it up princesses.


The only way you take that away from the article is if you were so full of hate for the Irish that a neutral reading is impossible. No matter, wallow in your hate and bigotry. No one really cares. What the article actually does do s directly contradict the utter stupidity that Generation D posted.
 
2012-11-11 06:38:37 PM
Oregon would destroy ND.
 
2012-11-11 07:04:22 PM

downtownkid: carnifex2005: downtownkid: Generation_D: TheManofPA: They were talking about it during one of the games yesterday if KS, ORE, and ND go undefeated that it would be KS-ORE. One of the announcers was like, "Could you imagine telling the past that there would be a situation where ND would be undefeated and left out of the title game, and even funnier that Kansas State would go over them; you'd be laughed at". He wasn't using it as a ND SHOULD GO, but more of a how times change thing.

And rightly so. ND has lived off of their ultimate Storied College status for decades now.

Join a conference or be laughed at, Notre Dame.

The B1G offered numerous times, but ND was always too convinced ND is God's Gift to Football.


Thank you for announcing to the world loudly and clearly that you know fark-all about college football. Openly pronouncing your ignorance of the sport helps us all ignore anything else you may have to say on the subject.

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That article only makes Notre Dame look worse. Suck it up princesses.

The only way you take that away from the article is if you were so full of hate for the Irish that a neutral reading is impossible. No matter, wallow in your hate and bigotry. No one really cares. What the article actually does do s directly contradict the utter stupidity that Generation D posted.


How about you join Notre Dame on that cross they've created for themselves?
 
2012-11-11 07:12:56 PM
I love how Notre Dame has the #1 rated defense in the country and nobody even pays attention to it.

It's like - win ugly games by playing defense, like the SEC has done for for the past 6 years, and suddenly doing it that way is "out of style".
 
2012-11-11 07:18:55 PM

ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.


Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.
 
2012-11-11 07:19:05 PM

Super Chronic: The coach's poll? Which coach has his own poll?


Notre Dame got one first-place vote, so Subby must have been talking about that guy.
 
2012-11-11 07:19:27 PM
So when Alabama ends up in the title game over an unbeaten ND, who's going to complain honestly?

That's right, nobody. Notre Dame has never been relevant in their history.
 
2012-11-11 07:21:48 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: I love how Notre Dame has the #1 rated defense in the country and nobody even pays attention to it.

It's like - win ugly games by playing defense, like the SEC has done for for the past 6 years, and suddenly doing it that way is "out of style".


Bama is basically tied with them. They should have 2 losses just like ND.

And Oregon has the 30th defense. So lets look at Offense. Oregon is number 1 by a long way. ND is way down the list in offense. Now ay should ND be ranked above Oregon.
 
2012-11-11 07:26:17 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: I love how Notre Dame has the #1 rated defense in the country and nobody even pays attention to it.


If by "#1 rated defense" you mean total defense Notre Dame is #8
 
2012-11-11 07:41:15 PM
Irish should have lost to Stanford...the Cardinal got robbed...fark Notre Dame.
 
2012-11-11 07:41:15 PM

theurge14: captainmaxthedestroyer: I love how Notre Dame has the #1 rated defense in the country and nobody even pays attention to it.

If by "#1 rated defense" you mean total defense Notre Dame is #8


by #1 rated I meant #1 rated. tied for 1st in scoring D (with the mighty Alabama), 1st in TD's allowed (9)
 
2012-11-11 07:51:20 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: theurge14: captainmaxthedestroyer: I love how Notre Dame has the #1 rated defense in the country and nobody even pays attention to it.

If by "#1 rated defense" you mean total defense Notre Dame is #8

by #1 rated I meant #1 rated. tied for 1st in scoring D (with the mighty Alabama), 1st in TD's allowed (9)


How ever did they manage that against such offensive juggernauts as Pitt, Navy, Purdue, and Boston College?

/Oklahoma always chokes in big games so I'm not gonna give you a ton of credit for that.
 
2012-11-11 07:56:04 PM
KSU:
Mizzou St (FCS)
North Texas
Kansas
Iowa St

Oregon:
Arkansas St
Tennesee Tech (FCS)
Wazzu
Colorado

Juggernauts
 
2012-11-11 08:27:47 PM

theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.


Oregon wanted to add a game against LSU and had to reschedule with KState to make it happen, but Kstate just couldn't find room in their schedule to do it (bullshiat alert).

Oregon executive assistant AD Dave Williford told me that when the 2011 Cowboys Classic offered a slot against LSU, Oregon asked Kansas State to reschedule. Kansas State, needing to go to a nine-game Big 12 schedule, said, let's just call off the home-and-home, and Oregon agreed
 
2012-11-11 09:33:24 PM

Baryogenesis: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.

Oregon wanted to add a game against LSU and had to reschedule with KState to make it happen, but Kstate just couldn't find room in their schedule to do it (bullshiat alert).

Oregon executive assistant AD Dave Williford told me that when the 2011 Cowboys Classic offered a slot against LSU, Oregon asked Kansas State to reschedule. Kansas State, needing to go to a nine-game Big 12 schedule, said, let's just call off the home-and-home, and Oregon agreed


can't really fault either team. hopefully they get a chance to play in the future. it would be a fun home and home series
 
2012-11-11 09:40:39 PM

animesucks: Baryogenesis: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.

Oregon wanted to add a game against LSU and had to reschedule with KState to make it happen, but Kstate just couldn't find room in their schedule to do it (bullshiat alert).

Oregon executive assistant AD Dave Williford told me that when the 2011 Cowboys Classic offered a slot against LSU, Oregon asked Kansas State to reschedule. Kansas State, needing to go to a nine-game Big 12 schedule, said, let's just call off the home-and-home, and Oregon agreed

can't really fault either team. hopefully they get a chance to play in the future. it would be a fun home and home series


If you read the article you can blame a team...Kansas state.
 
2012-11-11 09:40:59 PM

steamingpile: French Rage: Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.

Yes and you fail to mention the pac 12 isnt doing much better, oregon had 3 games to start the season that would rival any cupcake schedule, even the teams they play out of bcs conferences are still called cupcakes when sec teams bring them in.


The 5 Pac-12 teams in the top 25 played 5 of their 15 OOC games against BCS conference teams. Of course, if you factor in that the extra conference game all Pac-12 teams play is by definition against a BCS conference team, it goes up to 10 of 20.
 
2012-11-11 09:50:38 PM

French Rage: steamingpile: French Rage: Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.

Yes and you fail to mention the pac 12 isnt doing much better, oregon had 3 games to start the season that would rival any cupcake schedule, even the teams they play out of bcs conferences are still called cupcakes when sec teams bring them in.

The 5 Pac-12 teams in the top 25 played 5 of their 15 OOC games against BCS conference teams. Of course, if you factor in that the extra conference game all Pac-12 teams play is by definition against a BCS conference team, it goes up to 10 of 20.


i guess more impressively, those teams included: wisconsin, notre dame, nebraska, and syracuse.
 
2012-11-11 11:14:15 PM

animesucks: French Rage: steamingpile: French Rage: Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.

Yes and you fail to mention the pac 12 isnt doing much better, oregon had 3 games to start the season that would rival any cupcake schedule, even the teams they play out of bcs conferences are still called cupcakes when sec teams bring them in.

The 5 Pac-12 teams in the top 25 played 5 of their 15 OOC games against BCS conference teams. Of course, if you factor in that the extra conference game all Pac-12 teams play is by definition against a BCS conference team, it goes up to 10 of 20.

i guess more impressively, those teams included: wisconsin, notre dame, nebraska, and syracuse.


I'm not going to say Washington and Michigan are better/worse than that group, just that there are more of them.
 
2012-11-11 11:15:40 PM
Cris Collinswoth is drunk again
 
2012-11-12 12:18:18 AM
Late to the party, but is subby seriously crying that ND is a VICTIM? SERIOUSLY?
 
2012-11-12 02:14:04 AM
it's simple, ND K State and Oregon'll all win out, the computers will shut ND out of the NC game, ND'll meet Nebraska in the Rose Bowl, after 3 quarters ND'll have a 14 point lead, Nebraska'll score 24 unanswered points and win by 10
 
2012-11-12 07:06:00 AM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: I'm personally still entertaining this scenario in my head (it would require a LOT of dominoes to fall in just the right places):

1. Oregon, K-State, and Notre Dame all win out through the regular season
2. Notre Dame, despite being 12-0, is left out of the BCS title game for their less quality wins
3. Alabama wins out from here on and becomes SEC champion
4. The BCS pits Oregon/K-State in the title game and Notre Dame/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl
5. Notre Dame beats Alabama and finishes 13-0
6. We get a split co-championship with Notre Dame #1 in the AP Poll and the Oregon/K-State winner #1 in the BCS

This would certainly be a pretty fitting end to the deeply flawed BCS system. That damn playoff can't come soon enough.


In your scenario, there's no way the Rose or Fiesta pass on an undefeated ND and let them fall to the Sugar.

If it's Oregon#1 vs KState#2

Rose gets the 1st pick to replace Oregon vs B1G champ
Fiesta gets the 2nd pick to replace KState
Fiesta gets the 3rd pick vs their 2nd pick
Sugar gets the 4th pick vs SEC champ
Orange gets the 5th pick(stuck with Big East champ) vs ACC champ

If it's KState#1 vs Oregon#2

Fiesta gets the 1st pick to replace KState
Rose gets the 2nd pick to replace Oregon vs B1G champ
Fiesta gets the 3rd pick vs their 1st pick
Sugar gets the 4th pick vs SEC champ
Orange gets the 5th pick(stuck with Big East champ) vs ACC champ
 
2012-11-12 07:39:47 AM
Let's just face it. If all 3 teams win out, the best two teams are ranked 1 and 2. Kansas and Oregon. No arguements, no doubts justthe facts.
 
2012-11-12 09:33:31 AM

ScouserDuck: animesucks: Baryogenesis: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.

Oregon wanted to add a game against LSU and had to reschedule with KState to make it happen, but Kstate just couldn't find room in their schedule to do it (bullshiat alert).

Oregon executive assistant AD Dave Williford told me that when the 2011 Cowboys Classic offered a slot against LSU, Oregon asked Kansas State to reschedule. Kansas State, needing to go to a nine-game Big 12 schedule, said, let's just call off the home-and-home, and Oregon agreed

can't really fault either team. hopefully they get a chance to play in the future. it would be a fun home and home series

If you read the article you can blame a team...Kansas state.


First of all this all happened in 2010.

K-State has Auburn lined up for 2014. Our 2012-2013 schedules were already set. The earliest this game would be played would've been 2015 or 2016.

However Oregon already has Michigan State set for 2014 and 2015, and Texas A&M for 2016 and 2017.

The earliest the series would've been rescheduled would've been 2018-2019. Both KSU and Oregon AD's shook hands and said have a nice day.

2 years later K-State played a home and home with Miami, Oregon settled on Tennessee Tech or something.

Point moot, continued accusations are just Oregon crying. There's no crying in football.
 
2012-11-12 09:52:04 AM

theurge14: 2 years later K-State played a home and home with Miami, Oregon settled on Tennessee Tech or something.


Which are both pretty comparable football programs these days.
 
2012-11-12 10:14:52 AM

stupid me: Let's just face it. If all 3 teams win out, the best two teams are ranked 1 and 2. Kansas and Oregon. No arguements, no doubts justthe facts.


I think Kansas State might have a problem with that you moran.
 
2012-11-12 11:35:34 AM

theurge14: ScouserDuck: animesucks: Baryogenesis: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon had Kansas state this year on the preseason schedule. They backed out. You're right. Oregon should get punished for it.

Oregon fans continue to repeat this lie. Hilarious.

Oregon wanted to add a game against LSU and had to reschedule with KState to make it happen, but Kstate just couldn't find room in their schedule to do it (bullshiat alert).

Oregon executive assistant AD Dave Williford told me that when the 2011 Cowboys Classic offered a slot against LSU, Oregon asked Kansas State to reschedule. Kansas State, needing to go to a nine-game Big 12 schedule, said, let's just call off the home-and-home, and Oregon agreed

can't really fault either team. hopefully they get a chance to play in the future. it would be a fun home and home series

If you read the article you can blame a team...Kansas state.

First of all this all happened in 2010.

K-State has Auburn lined up for 2014. Our 2012-2013 schedules were already set. The earliest this game would be played would've been 2015 or 2016.

However Oregon already has Michigan State set for 2014 and 2015, and Texas A&M for 2016 and 2017.

The earliest the series would've been rescheduled would've been 2018-2019. Both KSU and Oregon AD's shook hands and said have a nice day.

2 years later K-State played a home and home with Miami, Oregon settled on Tennessee Tech or something.

Point moot, continued accusations are just Oregon crying. There's no crying in football.


Oregon isn't crying. There's no reason to. They're in the drivers seat. With 3 ranked teams left ( should they go to the conference title game), if they win out they'll be number 1 with no chance of getting passed up for the game. Oregon fans are just calling out a program for being pussies. Oregon said, "hey, let's reschedule." K state said "thanks but no thanks."

Pussies.
 
2012-11-12 01:25:31 PM

French Rage: animesucks: French Rage: steamingpile: French Rage: Ah I knew I was missing a game because I had only counted 15 with 8 left to play out of 24. OK, so far 2 for 16, and with 3 intra-state OOC matchups against BCS foes left that will make it 5 of 24.

Yes and you fail to mention the pac 12 isnt doing much better, oregon had 3 games to start the season that would rival any cupcake schedule, even the teams they play out of bcs conferences are still called cupcakes when sec teams bring them in.

The 5 Pac-12 teams in the top 25 played 5 of their 15 OOC games against BCS conference teams. Of course, if you factor in that the extra conference game all Pac-12 teams play is by definition against a BCS conference team, it goes up to 10 of 20.

i guess more impressively, those teams included: wisconsin, notre dame, nebraska, and syracuse.

I'm not going to say Washington and Michigan are better/worse than that group, just that there are more of them.


We know Nebraska is better than Michigan this year, because they played and Nebraska won.


Ed the Hammer: it's simple, ND K State and Oregon'll all win out, the computers will shut ND out of the NC game, ND'll meet Nebraska in the Rose Bowl, after 3 quarters ND'll have a 14 point lead, Nebraska'll score 24 unanswered points and win by 10


Holy crap! That's exactly how NU plays! The Huskers fall behind, the other team considers the game won, then the Huskers spring the trap!
 
2012-11-12 03:46:23 PM

chuggernaught: We know Nebraska is better than Michigan this year, because they played and Nebraska won.


Not to take away from Nebraska's record, they won fair and square, but they're the only team that faced Michigan's third-string QB.
 
2012-11-12 03:53:39 PM

ScouserDuck: Oregon isn't crying.


Sure they are. They won't shut up about the "nobody will schedule us" talking point. Go look at any comments board on any ESPN college football article.

Oregon fans are just calling out a program for being pussies. Oregon said, "hey, let's reschedule." K state said "thanks but no thanks."

Only Oregon fans continue to believe that's how things happened. If only the Pac-12 were a strong enough conference where Oregon fans didn't have to worry so much about this. If only Oregon could've managed to put together a better OOC than Tennessee Tech, Arkansas State and Fresno State.
 
2012-11-12 03:57:07 PM
Why would Oregon care, since they'll be No. 1 at the end of the year if they win out?
 
2012-11-12 04:07:27 PM

theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon isn't crying.

Sure they are. They won't shut up about the "nobody will schedule us" talking point. Go look at any comments board on any ESPN college football article.

Oregon fans are just calling out a program for being pussies. Oregon said, "hey, let's reschedule." K state said "thanks but no thanks."

Only Oregon fans continue to believe that's how things happened. If only the Pac-12 were a strong enough conference where Oregon fans didn't have to worry so much about this. If only Oregon could've managed to put together a better OOC than Tennessee Tech, Arkansas State and Fresno State.


Do you know how to read? If Oregon wins out they'll be number 1. Period. Our OOC schedule doesn't matter.

I guess it's my fault that I expected elementary critical thinking and reading skills from a fan of a Big 12 school.

Just in case you have 0 ability to make basic inferences I'm saying that you probably aren't very smart.
 
2012-11-12 04:10:39 PM

ScouserDuck: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon isn't crying.

Sure they are. They won't shut up about the "nobody will schedule us" talking point. Go look at any comments board on any ESPN college football article.

Oregon fans are just calling out a program for being pussies. Oregon said, "hey, let's reschedule." K state said "thanks but no thanks."

Only Oregon fans continue to believe that's how things happened. If only the Pac-12 were a strong enough conference where Oregon fans didn't have to worry so much about this. If only Oregon could've managed to put together a better OOC than Tennessee Tech, Arkansas State and Fresno State.

Do you know how to read? If Oregon wins out they'll be number 1. Period. Our OOC schedule doesn't matter.


Yeah, Alabama losing changed that. Before then it sure did, and yet Oregon fans still have a hard time letting it go.

I guess it's my fault that I expected elementary critical thinking and reading skills from a fan of a Big 12 school.

Just in case you have 0 ability to make basic inferences I'm saying that you probably aren't very smart.


Yeah, sick burn bro.
 
2012-11-12 04:18:24 PM

theurge14: ScouserDuck: theurge14: ScouserDuck: Oregon isn't crying.

Sure they are. They won't shut up about the "nobody will schedule us" talking point. Go look at any comments board on any ESPN college football article.

Oregon fans are just calling out a program for being pussies. Oregon said, "hey, let's reschedule." K state said "thanks but no thanks."

Only Oregon fans continue to believe that's how things happened. If only the Pac-12 were a strong enough conference where Oregon fans didn't have to worry so much about this. If only Oregon could've managed to put together a better OOC than Tennessee Tech, Arkansas State and Fresno State.

Do you know how to read? If Oregon wins out they'll be number 1. Period. Our OOC schedule doesn't matter.

Yeah, Alabama losing changed that. Before then it sure did, and yet Oregon fans still have a hard time letting it go.

I guess it's my fault that I expected elementary critical thinking and reading skills from a fan of a Big 12 school.

Just in case you have 0 ability to make basic inferences I'm saying that you probably aren't very smart.

Yeah, sick burn bro.


You're right, had bama not lost Oregon would have been #2 keeping k state out of the big one.

Bottom line: Oregon wins out they're ranked #1 regardless of OOC schedule. Kansas state had a chance to reschedule Oregon and didn't want to. Oregon wanted to reschedule so that they could play LSU. K state used it as a way to pussy out of an agreement made by the previous coach.

Lets recap: Oregon wins out = #1.
Kansas State, no matter their record, pussies.
 
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