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(Politico)   Finally, a question with no end: "What's wrong with Florida?"   (politico.com) divider line 13
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2012-11-10 11:58:00 PM
4 votes:
We tried electronic ballots: which are way more accurate and less prone to errors, easier to understand, and easier to verify. Of course, that all got shot down thanks to a certain overly-vocal demographic with nothing better to do and too much fear of anything new...

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2012-11-11 08:21:17 AM
3 votes:

Nofun: We tried electronic ballots: which are way more accurate and less prone to errors, easier to understand, and easier to verify.


...and much easier to alter in subtle ways.

I would have no problems if the electronic voting machine was simply used as a "form filler". That is, you select your candidates on the voting machine (which has physical buttons on the side of the screen; none of this BS touchscreen stuff), it displays your result in the screen for your confirmation. After you verify it, it then it prints out the filled ballot on a piece of paper. You take the paper ballot to the optical scanning machine, which actually tabulates the ballot.

Thus, you have the advantages of the electronic machines (ease of voting, different languages, etc.), the advantages of optical scan ballots (paper trail, accurate, quick counting with the scanning machine, and easy verification by hand), and people can still submit paper ballots if they wish to avoid the electronic machines entirely.
2012-11-11 08:20:17 AM
2 votes:
I do love my state, but yeah. Florida government is bursting with ineptitude.

Particularly our reptilian asshole governor. How my fellow Floridians could have elected such a shiat stain is beyond me.
2012-11-11 12:12:57 PM
1 votes:
I believe the problem with Florida is the fact that it consists largely of snowbird transplants. It's the same problem with the tourists; even outside the parks, tourists will still throw trash around everywhere because 'someone else will handle it'. There's no concern for the local environment. . Similarly, snowbirds tend to have no respect for local infrastructure, balking at paying taxes for schools, etc. 'I don't have any kids in this school. I don't use this hospital. Get rid of all that stuff. Why am I paying taxes for it?' This is a completely different worldview than someone who sees their location as 'home'.
2012-11-11 10:35:07 AM
1 votes:

Without Fail: I voted at home and it took me over half an hour to fill out the ballot.


I looked at half of those amendment initiatives and voted no just because of the length of them. Sorry Charlie, if you need to 400 words long then obviously you're hiding all kinds of shiat in the verbiage. There's a reason Constitutional amendments are short and to the point.
2012-11-11 10:25:43 AM
1 votes:
So it turns out that when your state government is dedicated to stop you from voting, a major election becomes a logistical nightmare.
2012-11-11 09:38:17 AM
1 votes:
This year, the major problems were:

1. Governor Rick Scott shortened early voting from 14 to 8 days.

2. The ballot had 11 constitutional amendments, all proposed by the state legislature, that made it very difficult for unprepared voters to vote quickly.

Here is the first one:

CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
ARTICLE I, SECTION 28

HEALTH CARE SERVICES
.-Proposing an amendment to the State Constitution to prohibit laws or rules from compelling any person or employer to purchase, obtain, or otherwise provide for health care coverage; permit a person or an employer to purchase lawful health care services directly from a health care provider; permit a health care provider to accept direct payment from a person or an employer for lawful health care services; exempt persons, employers, and health care providers from penalties and taxes for paying directly or accepting direct payment for lawful health care services; and prohibit laws or rules from abolishing the private market for health care coverage of any lawful health care service. Specifies that the amendment does not affect which health care services a health care provider is required to perform or provide; affect which health care services are permitted by law; prohibit care provided pursuant to general law relating to workers' compensation; affect laws or rules in effect as of March 1, 2010; affect the terms or conditions of any health care system to the extent that those terms and conditions do not have the effect of punishing a person or an employer for paying directly for lawful health care services or a health care provider for accepting direct payment from a person or an employer for lawful health care services; or affect any general law passed by two-thirds vote of the membership of each house of the Legislature, passed after the effective date of the amendment, provided such law states with specificity the public necessity justifying the exceptions from the provisions of the amendment. The amendment expressly provides that it may not be construed to prohibit negotiated provisions in insurance contracts, network agreements, or other provider agreements contractually limiting copayments, coinsurance, deductibles, or other patient charges.


It says that Obama-care doesn't apply in Florida. It had no chance of being enforced and was not passed.
Several were longer than this one, and all were unnecessary. Eight of the 11 were defeated.

I voted at home and it took me over half an hour to fill out the ballot. It was like taking an SAT.

I believe that both of these issues were deliberately designed by Florida's Republican legislature to suppress voting.
2012-11-11 09:23:23 AM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Answer: It's full of old baby boomers who don't have to work for a living.


Well, old people do vote a lot. But you would think that a state that had high numbers of potential voters would take steps to improve their voting process, rather than try to make it harder,
Maybe I'm just being naive.
2012-11-11 08:45:25 AM
1 votes:

phenn: I do love my state, but yeah. Florida government is bursting with ineptitude.

Particularly our reptilian asshole governor. How my fellow Floridians could have elected such a shiat stain is beyond me.


It's not like they're actually FROM here. And they live in communities that don't even have schools, so why should they pay for schools? Or anything at all?
2012-11-11 08:42:52 AM
1 votes:

dofus: I live in Pasco County. I received a sample ballot in the mail well before the election. I filled in the spots at home in front of the computer so I could research what I was voting for. I went to the early voting place part way through the early voting period. Showed them my driver's license with it's magnetic strip on the back. They stuck it in a machine that validated my right to vote in that precinct and gave me a slip of paper. I took that 3 feet to the next person who exchanged it for a ballot that exactly matched the sample. Went to a booth and transferred all the spots. Stuffed the ballot in a scanner that verified one spot per question and dumped in a locked box.

I suppose someone took the locked boxes to some place where another scanner that did the actual counting.

Total time elapsed between parking car and leaving parking lot: about 20 minutes.

I remember thinking "Wow. Florida finally got its shiat together."


I'm going to guess you voted in a predominantly white district? The long lines and queues were reported as concentrated in areas with minority voters. It seems an odd outside possibility that black people take longer to vote, but that's not necessarily true.
2012-11-11 08:37:21 AM
1 votes:

homelessdude: Not for who they elected this time or how long they waited (which was admirable), but for the constant stream of idiots they elect to state office that control the voting process. They get smacked down for screwing up elections, then install another idiot in their place. When one state official displays some common sense like Crist did, they get put in place another whack job


Competence has a liberal bias.
2012-11-11 08:14:20 AM
1 votes:

G.I.R.B.: Serious Black: I think the better question is "What's right with Florida?" Unfortunately, I don't think that question has an answer.

Hey now!

/They make really good OJ........


//Pass the vodak

(preview is my friend)
2012-11-11 08:13:18 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: I think the better question is "What's right with Florida?" Unfortunately, I don't think that question has an answer.


Hey now!

/They make really good OJ........
 
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