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2012-11-11 12:46:54 AM
8 votes:
My wedding gifts to them will be a platinum watch fob and some really nice combs.
2012-11-11 02:35:51 AM
7 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?


"Gender identity" and "sexual orientation" are actually separate things. Transgendered people "aren't just gay."
2012-11-10 09:42:36 PM
6 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


But it's an adorable one, so fark 'im.
2012-11-10 08:25:55 PM
6 votes:
What a really sweet article. Good for them!
2012-11-11 12:11:19 AM
5 votes:

NowhereMon: Kids that age have no idea what they want.


Just because you didn't doesn't mean they don't.
2012-11-10 11:45:24 PM
5 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Well, yeah. That's because that "God" fellow is a real prick.
2012-11-10 09:43:15 PM
5 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Just go away. No one likes you and your trolly ways here.

As for the couple, good for them. She looks like Justine Bateman. She's actually really cute and VERY convincing as a woman.
2012-11-11 02:51:15 AM
4 votes:
Two questions.

1. Is this gay or not?

2. Which one do I fap too?
2012-11-11 12:25:17 AM
4 votes:

NowhereMon: Kids that age have no idea what they want.


Remember when you had no idea whether you were a chick or a dude?
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-11-10 08:43:45 PM
4 votes:
Clearly, they are both histories greatest monsters.
2012-11-10 08:33:39 PM
4 votes:
D'awwww.
2012-11-11 12:15:10 PM
3 votes:

Devil's Advocaat: As cute and sappy as this is, the following line at the bottom of the article somewhat spoils it:

Sorry we are unable to accept comments for legal reasons.

Nice to know that the Daily Mail has such faith in its own readership that the comments were switched off to prevent hate speech aimed at a 16 and 18 year old in love with each other.


Yes, unfortunate, but it's completely reasonable, and the responsible thing to do.
In other news, I am also somewhat relieved at the relative lack of hate and derp in this thread. ...relative, that is, by Fark standards -but still, I guess that's progress.

And seriously, I think this is beautiful. They're two cute kids in love, and they understand each other better than others possibly could. If you don't get the whole transgendered thing, that's cool. But they get it. They get each other, and they're happy. Be happy for them.
2012-11-11 11:49:55 AM
3 votes:

ciberido: Myria: No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.

Consider that you might be happier living as female, even if people "read" you everywhere you went. There are transsexuals who are happier even when they don't "pass." I think for many people, and perhaps for you especially, "Will I be able to pass?" shouldn't be your biggest concern.


Myria, can you check back in at some point? It's concerning that the last thing you wrote was ... well, what it was. It's Sunday, so maybe by your own admission you're sleeping. I urge you to read and digest the comments of support you have just in this thread alone. There is more support out there. All hope is not lost! Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.
2012-11-11 05:12:08 AM
3 votes:
person loves person who loves them back.

it will be nice when this isn't "weird" news.
2012-11-11 03:59:13 AM
3 votes:

thisiszombocom: as long as the farked up people stay to themselves and dont have kids who farking cares


Exactly! I couldn't agree more. Wait... you were talking about bigots, right?
2012-11-11 03:14:43 AM
3 votes:

GungFu: I don't think I've seen this porn potential before.

I do hope they embrace the 'entertainment' business.


upload.wikimedia.orgupload.wikimedia.org

Ask and Ye Shall Receive (totally NSFW)

Buck Angel on the left is the only female-to-male transsexual in the porn business. Allanah Starr on the right is a male-to-female transsexual (shemale, all the lower bits intact).

To clarify... that's the pussy on the left, the cock on the right. If you're still confused, watch it, and be more confused than ever. 

Now try to answer "isn't this totally gay??" Well I'd sooner answer "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" I have no farking idea.
2012-11-11 02:38:24 AM
3 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?


Gender identity and attraction to others are two completely different things. One relates to self and one to others. Human nature is, by and large, far more subtle and complex than it often appears to be.
2012-11-11 01:08:43 AM
3 votes:

runujhkj: The only problem I have with articles like these is that when they're called out as transgendered in the headline, I'm just looking at the picture going "well duh, I can totally tell." You should withhold that information so I'm looking at the picture saying "what a strangely typical couple, what's odd about this?" Then, at the end, BAM - transgendered. And then people are shaken, like "whaaaat I totally couldn't tell from that picture." Maybe make a few people think. Not many, but maybe a few.


Katie looks like a teenage girl. Arin only looks transgendered because he pulled up lesbianswholooklikejustinbieber.com and thought "fark yeah. THAT'S the look for me"
2012-11-10 09:04:01 PM
3 votes:
It's very sweet and all. And I fully support them. But he needs to lose the lesbian hair.
2012-11-10 08:49:03 PM
3 votes:
This is an abomination against God.
2012-11-11 07:39:23 PM
2 votes:

Myria: No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Myria, if it makes you feel any better, when I met you at the LA meetup I didn't think you looked strongly masculine other than being taller than most women.
2012-11-11 05:12:56 PM
2 votes:

charmingkiddo: I don't see how mutilating your genitals makes you a different gender. If that makes you happy - go for it, but lets be real about what this is.

I do however, have a problem with letting 15 and 16 year olds do this.

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

If you check out this website you will see it is pretty common

[Weasel words] for people[Whom?] to get sex changes and regret them later[Citation Needed]- which is why minors shouldn't be allowed to have them[Editorializing]. At that age they are all confused[Citation Needed] and farked up[Citation Needed] even if everything is going great in their lives - it's just a confusing and awkward age[Citation Needed]. I say make people at least wait until they are 18 to give them a few more years to decide if that is what they really want to do. If you checked out that URL you will note that ALL[Citation Needed] those people[Weasel words] were 100% positive[Citation Needed] they wanted a sex change, and later changed their minds[Citation Needed].
2012-11-11 03:42:41 PM
2 votes:

Myria: queenalice: Myria, can you check back in at some point? It's concerning that the last thing you wrote was ... well, what it was. It's Sunday, so maybe by your own admission you're sleeping. I urge you to read and digest the comments of support you have just in this thread alone. There is more support out there. All hope is not lost! Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.

I'm alive... I fell asleep with my iPad in my hands since it was like 3 am here (Los Angeles time).

Thank you so much for that month of TotalFark. That was really sweet of you <3


You're very welcome. Your situation is not enviable but it is also not insurmountable. Have you watched Lana Wachowski's Human Rights Campaign speech? Watch it. 

There is a silver lining to your cloud. You can find it. Stretch it so it blankets out the gray.

I don't know what your gifts and passions are, but I know you must have them. Maybe (just a guess) it's writing. If so - write about what you are going through. Day by day.

There will be someone in the future who will read it and will suffer that much less knowing you went through the same thing and came out the other side.

Just one suggestion, maybe a trite one. I don't have all (or maybe any of) the answers -
but I know you are not a waste. You are extraordinary.

And as Pink sings, f*cking perfect.
2012-11-11 03:02:39 PM
2 votes:

Myria: Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.


Myria,

I can't imagine what you go through on a daily basis but I'm so sorry that the world that we live in
makes it necessary for you to go through it.

I totally understand preferring the dream world to the real world. There was a time when I would
have slept 24/7 if I could have.

Please PLEASE know that your life is NOT a waste.
2012-11-11 09:37:00 AM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


God created them that way and knew it would turn out like this.

And he loves them.

So... Deal with that.
2012-11-11 09:15:28 AM
2 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

Stupid, doesn't think things through or poor reading comprehension? Help me out here.


Ignorant. You know how you can tell? Because other people answered his question and he thanked them.

Not understanding transgender folks doesn't make someone stupid or mean. Many of us have not (to our knowledge) met someone who is, much less discussed their deepest feelings. That doesn't mean we don't like them or are going to do the whole "this is an abomination" thing - it simply means that we don't understand. So please don't insult someone who asks a question to learn more about the people they share the world with.
2012-11-11 06:36:00 AM
2 votes:
Dear Religious Wimps,

Baby Jesus is crying because this shiat is freaking adorable. It's like being surrounded by hellhound puppies who only breath fire when they burp.

Adult Jesus is weeping because 2000 years later you judgmental motherfarkers are still quicker to violence than peace, so his whole 33 year vacation from running the universe was an utter waste of time.
2012-11-11 06:10:56 AM
2 votes:

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


However it is that you want to be, and whoever it is that you are attracted to - it is out there. Don't stop looking. There are more things in heaven and earth, Myria, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
2012-11-11 04:08:43 AM
2 votes:
I'm amazed at the people in here saying they hope these kids don't procreate. Can't have the freaks and weirdos spreading their genes, right?

I've got some bad news for you. You are descended from a very long line of freaks and weirdos. It's called mutation. You owe everything to it, and sometimes it produces surprising results from unlikely sources. You don't have the omniscience to see all ends. You have no idea how helpful or hurtful their genes could be. Your arrogance on the other hand is extremely harmful.
2012-11-11 03:52:15 AM
2 votes:

ladydouji: Aww they make such a cute couple.

Am I weird for hoping they also made plans in case they ever want to have biological children(harvesting and storing some of her sperm and his eggs before they get too far in the re-assignment therapy and surgery) They would still need to use a surrogate though. Or they could forget the biological route and adopt


A lot of transsexuals don't have reassignment surgery on their genitals. With female-to-male, it's incredibly complicated, and "results" aren't all that great overall.

With male-to-female, they're damn good at making it LOOK female from the outside. However, the pubic bone is kind of in the wrong place, and the possible depth-of-penetration and keeping it "functional" are sometimes problematic. Sometimes it fails and "closes up" in the long run.... So it may NOT actually "work". It's complicated surgery and has risks. Furthermore, some M-F transgendered aren't bothered by having a penis as long as they've got boobs and a female face consistent with their identity.

So... well I really don't care. Not my business to worry about what genitals they have. I only troubled when I'm trying to be formally polite and am approached by a stranger who I wish to address as "Sir" or "Ma'am" and can't figure it out. I can only hope a mannish lesbian has probably been called "sir" before and doesn't think much of it.
2012-11-11 03:32:29 AM
2 votes:

phartman: A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not.


The problem with your example is that person you're talking about isn't (and wasn't) a guy, normal or otherwise. She was a woman all along. If you want to talk about her behaviour from an equality standpoint, you have to compare her to "any normal woman just admiring a female employee's boobs" and see where that gets you.

The fact that you consistently refer to her with masculine pronouns illustrates the problem.
2012-11-11 03:29:19 AM
2 votes:

milkyshirt: StopLurkListen: milkyshirt: I am so proud of you guys for not bringing the transgender derp into this thread (yet).

Voters in four states approved marriage equality propositions this week (and one state rejected a bigoted anti-equality one). I suspect the usual derpers are in the hospital for alcohol poisoning / are lying passed out in a pool of their own vomit on the curb next to their local bar.

And some of my best friends are passed out in a pool of their own vomit, so I say that with love.

That's great and all, really it is, but unfortunately there seems to be plenty of bigotry for trans people from people who are also pro-gay. I haven't figured out why. You would think someone who's capable of letting gay people follow their natural preferences would be able to recognize that trans people are trying to do the same thing.


I've talked about this with transgendered people before. I think the issue is three-fold. The first reason is selfish, but a lot of gay people don't like being lumped in with transgendered people. As supportive as we are of rights for all parts of the LGBT, it can be annoying when cisgendered straights assume we're all the same, that gay people are confused about their gender or like to cross-dress, and so forth. It can sometimes seem like the LG would have an easier time if it weren't for the BT. It's stupid, but that's reason one.

Reason two is that transgenderism (if that's the word, I'm not completely sober) is just not very well understood by most people, including gay people. If you're not transgendered it can be very hard to understand what it feels like, and if you are transgendered I imagine it can be very hard to explain. A lot of gay people just don't "get it," or think it's a cop-out on being gay, etc. It doesn't help that in certain countries (Iran) many gay men get sex-changes because it's legal and/or more acceptable to become a woman and be with a man than to be a man with another man. It's silly, especially for gay people who have dealt with stupid prejudice themselves, to think that someone would put up with the kind of bigotry transgendered people deal with without good reason, but people can be silly.

Lastly, and this isn't really a reason for bigotry but a reason bigotry can be perceived, is that the terminology is hard. I've known several transgendered people and the preferred terms and phrasing have been different with each of them. Some get offended if you say they "used to be" whatever gender, but it's the simplest way to describe the situation sometimes. Most dislike the term tranny, but some are okay with it, some insist on using cis-, some hate the word "normal," etc. Even when trying to be sensitive you can put your foot in your mouth at times.

Don't interpret any of this as excuses for bigotry, I'm just trying to explain the thought process a little.
2012-11-11 03:01:04 AM
2 votes:

rockforever: Two questions.

1. Is this gay or not?

2. Which one do I fap too?


1. Both.

2. Both.
2012-11-11 02:57:09 AM
2 votes:

rockforever: 2. Which one do I fap too?


You're 17. Looking at *linoleum* makes you wanna have sex.
2012-11-11 02:38:18 AM
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

I mean its great they found eachother...but wouldn't they just feel that way anyhow being their own sex?


What sex you are is quite independent from what sex you're attracted to. If one feels they are in the wrong body or identify more with one sex, it's not discovered by how you feel about your desired sexual partner. These things are quite separate.
2012-11-11 02:37:28 AM
2 votes:
They're both remarkably good looking in their new genders. And I don't see the Justin Bieber thing others are mentioning. Arin looks slightly androgynous, but already much more handsome than Bieber.
2012-11-11 12:29:06 AM
2 votes:
They are totally adorable.
2012-11-10 08:51:07 PM
2 votes:
D'awwww ^_^

I'm really happy for them.
2012-11-12 04:28:56 AM
1 votes:

runcible spork: tinfoil-hat maggie: I really don't understand anything you're saying right now. I know it's probably my point of view that is keeping me from it but really how are trans right's lagging behind right now? I don't understand your argument.

Sorry, I don't mean to be confusing. Maybe I'm not expressing myself clearly. I think transgender rights are lagging behind gay rights because (a) they got off to a later start as far as public awareness is concerned, and (2) transsexuality remains less widely understood, really understood, by the general populace than homosexuality; continuing to be yoked to the LGB "community" will not advance such understanding.


ok, I get it.... you're supporting both the advancement of trans rights as well as gay rights, and just happen to think that since they are such different phenomena, they ought to be treated separately, and promoted in parallel. Fair enough.

However, there are good reasons why LGB is lumped in with T, and it's because it's easier to convince people of a basic concept rather than a particular group. The basic concept is : "However consenting adults want to live their lives, as long as their not hurting anyone, shouldn't be a basis for discrimination."

This basic idea resonates with people, and disagreeing with it makes anyone uneasy, even the fundies, and it has gained enough traction among the libertarians to make it hard for anyone on the political right to go against this. This is what unites the LGBT community into one thing, and anytime smaller groups are united into one larger group they are more effective in bringing about social change.

Again, your heart is in the right place, so please disregard my former sarcasm, but strategically, I still don't see a good reason to break up the LGBT community into smaller parts -it's small enough already.
2012-11-12 12:31:34 AM
1 votes:

runcible spork: tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: runcible spork: Do trans folk (excluding the "fluid" poseurs and provacateurs) like the queer community?

I am only one person, so- I dont know. I tend to have a better time in queer bars when I go to a bar vs a straight one- most gays and lesbians are nice, based on my experiences.

Very true, and now I have to wonder what a fluid poseur is.

I've witnessed hostility from gay people against transgender people. Many times.

As for the "fluid" poseurs/provocateurs, I mean the people who say, "today (or at this moment) I feel female, so I'm going to use the ladies' room
in this here public place," regardless as to how they were presenting themselves. It's farcical. This was an issue when California was considering some legislative measure about public restrooms (was it to make them all unisex? can't recall). I mean the people who aren't really transgender but just get a kick out of challenging society's gender expectations, like real-life trolls. They generate much more reactive animosity rather than foster understanding and acceptance. Unfortunately, society is not yet at the point where it's ready to be truly and fully gender-blind. It's a nice dream, but we aren't even close.


Really? You're going to go to the "men using women's restrooms" argument? That's the line of attack that anti-gay activists use against every single LGBT politician and every single non-discrimination ordinance. You should really know better than to resort to that.
2012-11-11 11:00:42 PM
1 votes:

runcible spork: tinfoil-hat maggie: You still haven't said what you're solution is, and I still don't understand where you're coming from, the fact remains that each group can be bullied, harassed, and killed right now remains as well as denied employment and housing. I really don't understand your argument.

My point is that there are many minority or "fringe" groups which have been historically and are currently persecuted as a result of bigotry, ignorance, hate, and so forth. There is no reason to create an unnatural alliance of those who are homosexual and those who are transsexual. It promotes the very ignorance it seeks to overcome. I repeat, just because they are both marginalized because they appear to be related ("something to do with sex") they shouldn't be lazily combined.


It's not an "unnatural alliance" though. LGB and T people have been working together since the very beginning of the modern gay rights movement. It would be immoral to ditch the T from LGB just at the point where we're on the verge of equality, not when they've fought for the same things with us for so long.

Whether you want to admit it or not, gender and sexuality ARE intertwined in our culture, and anyone who does not conform to gender roles is afforded outsider status because of it. LGB people are outsiders because we don't conform to the traditional roles, T people are outsiders for the same reason. If you leave trans people behind, you're going to end up leaving butch lesbians and effeminate gay men behind too, because just like trans people, they aren't accepted largely due to their gender presentation.
2012-11-11 08:22:35 PM
1 votes:

Myria: Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.


I know this was posted yesterday, but I think I would hate myself if I didn't respond:

/HUG
2012-11-11 07:30:15 PM
1 votes:

runcible spork: ciberido: It's too early to be 100% certain, yes. But scientific evidence for the "born this way" theory of both transgender and homosexual (and bisexual) people seems to be mounting. I don't think that it's that much of a stretch to say that it will PROBABLY turn out that most lbgt people were born lbgt...

I abhor the idea of carelessly and ignorantly linking the "T" to the "LGB" grouping. It makes barely any sense. While it may have pragmatic political value (though I consider it to be dubious), especially in the short term, it ultimately confuses and misinforms people.



First off, I think it makes pretty good sense, honestly, because what all LGBTQ people have (yes, even the Qs) in common is that we face discrimination and ignorance because of sex and gender --- whether it be our OWN sex/gender or the sex/gender of the folks we fall in love with.

Second, I personally would go the opposite route --- I'd like to see CLOSER ties between the LBGTQ community and feminism, precisely because feminism, too, is about fighting discrimination that is based on sex or gender. Indeed, the more I read about misogyny, anti-feminism, homophobia, and transphobia, the more I think that those are essentially facets of the same "gem" (or polyhedron if you're a math geek or "multi-sided die" if you're a gamer geek). And that "gem," I suspect is hegemonic masculinity, the source of all this nonsense humanity has been struggling with for thousands or even millions of years. 

Third, as a bisexual myself, I'm well aware that the same people who want to jettison the T out of LBGTQ would like to get rid of the bisexuals as well, even though we are actually the majority of your group. "First they'll came for the transgender...." might be overstating the case a bit, but we need to hang together or we'll all hang separately after the LBGTQ community becomes a gay boys-only club. And don't think we don't know that that's what some of you boys want.

Fourth, if the problem is that people are confused and misinformed, then EDUCATE them. As has already been pointed out in this thread, there was a time when the homosexual on television was Jodie Dallas (played by Billy Crystal), a gay man who wore a dress. We as a society have learned since then that "man who wears a dress" and "gay man" are not synonyms. We've made progress. We're going to keep making progress. Cutting loose the "deadweight" really isn't going to speed things along. 

And Fifth, of course, it would be a vile and selfish thing to do. But I put this argument last since it seems the one least likely to sway you.
2012-11-11 07:19:06 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: I'm actually kind of jazzed to alive at this time and place in history. Rather like the song. It's like we're at top of a hill looking down at our destination. We've still got a long way to go, but it's mostly downhill from here.


I'm rather ashamed to admit, I don't think I remember ever having heard that song not in the context of car commercials. Though, I suppose I do have an excuse, being only 10 when it was released and all.

Back on topic, I agree that it's kind of exciting to be living at this point in time. Sure, there's a long way to go and a lot of work to be done, especially for trans people, but the fact that there's an end point that we can see is huge. People back when I was born who were the age then that I am now certainly wouldn't have been able to say that.
2012-11-11 04:21:19 PM
1 votes:

digitalrain: Please PLEASE know that your life is NOT a waste.


bears repeating .
2012-11-11 04:08:09 PM
1 votes:

Myria:

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


As others have said, our life is valuable for itself, because it's yours. As far as the limits of technology in re: your body type, you might be pleasantly surprised. My ex is a trans woman who is extremely large and burly/beefy, but nevertheless since she started hormones the change has been enormous; no surgery, just hormones and lases on the face for hair removal. She reports feeling much better, and to be honest, if I hadn't met her before her transition I wouldn't have known. For that matter, another ex of mine is a cis woman who was so butch that she was routinely mistaken for my boyfriend when we were in public. If advice from a cis man means anything to you, I'd say to start taking those steps. Regardless, know that there are people out there who support you, and your right to be who and what you need to be.


Theaetetus:

That's what my question was getting towards... If society didn't care, would surgery still be required?


For many individuals, yes.
2012-11-11 02:37:44 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Well, that's fine, but they aren't Christian. Here in America, we don't tell people to follow our religion, or criticize them based on our personal religious beliefs. After all, I could tell you that you're disobeying the Goddess by being rude to two people who are happy (where there are happy people, the Goddess is there, and while it's two people, not three, my interpretation is that anywhere there is joy is the realm of the Goddess), but I'm not, because I recognize you are a Christian and I don't get to criticize other people based on my personal beliefs.
2012-11-11 01:37:20 PM
1 votes:

Myria: queenalice: Myria, can you check back in at some point? It's concerning that the last thing you wrote was ... well, what it was. It's Sunday, so maybe by your own admission you're sleeping. I urge you to read and digest the comments of support you have just in this thread alone. There is more support out there. All hope is not lost! Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.

I'm alive... I fell asleep with my iPad in my hands since it was like 3 am here (Los Angeles time).

Thank you so much for that month of TotalFark. That was really sweet of you <3



Glad you came back. :) Hugs!

I used to hang out with a transgendered person. He went by Manny, and wore a beard, but said he felt he was a woman, and would occasionally shave, do makeup, etc, and was actually quite convincing due to his small build and stature. He grew up in a small hick town and was bullied very badly, so he grew a tough shell and was as manly as could be when needed, but his feminine side was very evident.

Unfortunately, Manny kinda farked over a good friend of mine, so I no longer associate with him/her (can't recall what his girl name was now, its been years)
2012-11-11 11:40:57 AM
1 votes:

cycle23: sleeps in trees: phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.

Nope not ok. If a woman or man crosses the acceptable comfort line it is harassment from a legal standpoint. Mind you I'm Canadian and there is presidence. Also I am a lesbian magnet.

Since you misspelled precedence I'm gonna go ahead and assume you also misspelled midget.


Bravo! Favorited.
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2012-11-11 11:27:24 AM
1 votes:

sleeps in trees: phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.

Nope not ok. If a woman or man crosses the acceptable comfort line it is harassment from a legal standpoint. Mind you I'm Canadian and there is presidence. Also I am a lesbian magnet.


Since you misspelled precedence I'm gonna go ahead and assume you also misspelled midget.
2012-11-11 10:34:19 AM
1 votes:
Hey, you know what my opinion is about this? Doesn't matter! It affects me not at all.

Actually, I'm very happy for them. If this is an abomination, well, that's god's problem. Whichever god it is who feels abominated against, that is.
2012-11-11 09:14:56 AM
1 votes:
Probably the only couple in the world who understands each other.
2012-11-11 09:01:07 AM
1 votes:
Well, at least they can't breed
2012-11-11 08:57:58 AM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

I mean its great they found eachother...but wouldn't they just feel that way anyhow being their own sex?


It's the only delusion supported by the medical community. If you think that you're Napoleon, they lock you in a rubber room, but if you think you're the opposite sex, they encourage you to run with it, and anybody who points out that it's just a delusion is ridiculed and labeled "hater" or "phobic." It's the modern version of "The Emperor's New Clothes."
2012-11-11 08:40:09 AM
1 votes:
Good for them. They look very very happy in those pics. I hope it works out for them.

/hard enough to find someone..why biatch about 2 in love?
2012-11-11 08:32:14 AM
1 votes:

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Myria, see if you can contact Joelle Ruby Ryan (PhD). We were in grad school together. She's scarred, but so strong. Google around -- last I heard she was teaching at U of NH.
2012-11-11 08:17:40 AM
1 votes:
Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.

Then why did God make them like this?
2012-11-11 07:13:25 AM
1 votes:

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


You're unhappy with the way you look and are having suicidal thoughts. For the time being, instead of thinking about a sex change, maybe you should get therapy to help yourself come to terms with your body and appearance as it is now. You shouldnt be having suicidal thoughts and you should be able. to function. After all, many people have disabilities that affect their appearance or gender identity but are able to function.
2012-11-11 06:36:12 AM
1 votes:

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Consistent use of estrogen can make big changes. I won't pretend I know exactly what you're dealing with, but transitioning m/f people have all been down that road. You'd have a lot of medical and trans community social support.
2012-11-11 05:39:43 AM
1 votes:
Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.
2012-11-11 04:15:31 AM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: We are becoming a John Varley novel.


I've never met a man who so hated his own penis like that guy.
2012-11-11 04:06:41 AM
1 votes:
We are becoming a John Varley novel.
2012-11-11 03:52:29 AM
1 votes:

bugmn99: But won't they feel stupid when they grow up and decide they don't want to be fruit loops anymore?


That's what I keep saying, but despite my persistent belief that eventually people will come around, millions of people are still Republicans.

What gives???
2012-11-11 03:52:05 AM
1 votes:

brobinson2001: Not trolling, but thank Nature they figured this out before they reproduced. Yeah, it's heartwarming on an emotional level, but from a purely genetic standpoint, I'm glad they both got snipped before spreading this crap into the general gene pool, and weakening the entire species.


If you're so informed as to what genes humanity will or will not need to survive in the future then I advise that you stop posting and run off to inform the scientific community.

Please, don't waste your brilliance on us. Go, now!
2012-11-11 03:49:38 AM
1 votes:
SVU did it.
2012-11-11 03:44:02 AM
1 votes:

brobinson2001: Not trolling, but thank Nature they figured this out before they reproduced. Yeah, it's heartwarming on an emotional level, but from a purely genetic standpoint, I'm glad they both got snipped before spreading this crap into the general gene pool, and weakening the entire species.


*psst* This sort of thing is hereditary.
2012-11-11 03:42:28 AM
1 votes:
But won't they feel stupid when they grow up and decide they don't want to be fruit loops anymore?
2012-11-11 03:26:44 AM
1 votes:
I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.
2012-11-11 03:26:22 AM
1 votes:
Yeah but it's in the Daily Fail so it obviously is fake unless another source corraborates it AMIRITE???
2012-11-11 03:22:04 AM
1 votes:

Oznog: GungFu: I don't think I've seen this porn potential before.

I do hope they embrace the 'entertainment' business.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]

Ask and Ye Shall Receive (totally NSFW)

Buck Angel on the left is the only female-to-male transsexual in the porn business. Allanah Starr on the right is a male-to-female transsexual (shemale, all the lower bits intact).

To clarify... that's the pussy on the left, the cock on the right. If you're still confused, watch it, and be more confused than ever. 

Now try to answer "isn't this totally gay??" Well I'd sooner answer "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" I have no farking idea.


Da F*ck?
2012-11-11 03:13:02 AM
1 votes:
Meh, same old same old.... Awww who am I kidding, I got teary. People just need to leave other people alone with their choices.
2012-11-11 03:12:52 AM
1 votes:
That is farkin' awesome. And I'm glad neither one of them looks like Ann Coulter.
2012-11-11 03:11:12 AM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Thanks for the help, it's just a weird concept that I can't understand. To me, feeling like you're a girl, thinking your a guy- despite having the obvious Equipment seems to be a sign of some sort if denial of reality.

But you know what? As long as they are happy-it's cool! I don't have to understand it!

Part of me used to wonder if the whole homophobia of our culture drove people in believing that they were born in the wrong body. But I guess it's deeper than that! They look in the mirror and sees someone far different than how the feel!

I know that hermaphroditism does exist..and that the recommended path is to wait until they are older to let them choose thei sex.


There's also stuff like androgen insensitivity syndrome. That one's a real mindfark.

The simple fact is that nature is rarely so clean cut as to give you two obvious and never overlapping binary states.
2012-11-11 03:09:20 AM
1 votes:
Aaaaaargh! I can't take it anymore!
Every time there's a Mail article at least one of the stories linked at the bottom of the page will show up here the next day.
Thing is, I've already read those articles.
This has become a circle-jerk of rotundic proportions.
How low has fark fallen? Used to be, this place was more on the frontline wave of info influx and now we're in more of a tidal pool that gets flushed when the Moon changes phase.

Thing is, if I left fark, where would I go? Outside? Not on your life.
2012-11-11 03:08:02 AM
1 votes:

milkyshirt: I am so proud of you guys for not bringing the transgender derp into this thread (yet).


The thread is young. And you discounted Silly Jesus, but to be fair, we all do :)
2012-11-11 03:05:01 AM
1 votes:
If claiming to have been born a woman but switched to being a man will increase my chances hooking up with 18 year old hotties I think I just found my new pickup line.
2012-11-11 03:02:51 AM
1 votes:
i159.photobucket.com
2012-11-11 03:01:03 AM
1 votes:

PhiloeBedoe: My wedding gifts to them will be a platinum watch fob and some really nice combs.


i3.kym-cdn.com
Are you a magi?
2012-11-11 02:57:39 AM
1 votes:
Of all the unlikely things in this story (boy becomes cute girl as a teenager; girl becomes Bieber-like cute boy as a teenager), they met at a center for trans teens in Oklahoma?

I hope this is true, but not many trans kids have themselves all sorted out by that age, and OK would be the last place where I'd think of it happening.
2012-11-11 02:56:11 AM
1 votes:
as long as the farked up people stay to themselves and dont have kids who farking cares
2012-11-11 02:51:38 AM
1 votes:
she's hot!

/you figure out which one i'm talking about.
2012-11-11 02:51:26 AM
1 votes:
Seriously, I don't know what you guys are on. She looks female. He looks male. A pretty boy, sure, but definitely male. If they've got the voices down, I doubt anyone could ever tell.

In fact, she is the first non-Asian MTF that I've seen that is actually hot.
2012-11-11 02:42:54 AM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Nah, they're with the opposite sex. It's all good.
2012-11-11 02:42:50 AM
1 votes:

Khellendros: What sex you are is quite independent from what sex you're attracted to. If one feels they are in the wrong body or identify more with one sex, it's not discovered by how you feel about your desired sexual partner. These things are quite separate.


Yeah. There are actually some people out there who are both gay and transgender at the same time. As in, you were born a man, you feel you're supposed to be a woman, and yet you're still attracted to women.

Needless to say, it's twice as tough for them. You have to deal with the fallout of declaring one, and then you've got the fallout of the other, and there aren't too many families that can handle that kind of a shock to the system.
2012-11-11 02:38:08 AM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

I mean its great they found eachother...but wouldn't they just feel that way anyhow being their own sex?


This episode of Our America with Lisa Ling ought to help. (I know it's a Chinese website. YouTube doesn't carry it.)
2012-11-11 01:35:03 AM
1 votes:

PhiloeBedoe: My wedding gifts to them will be a platinum watch fob and some really nice combs.


I see what you did there.
2012-11-11 01:10:19 AM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: runujhkj: The only problem I have with articles like these is that when they're called out as transgendered in the headline, I'm just looking at the picture going "well duh, I can totally tell." You should withhold that information so I'm looking at the picture saying "what a strangely typical couple, what's odd about this?" Then, at the end, BAM - transgendered. And then people are shaken, like "whaaaat I totally couldn't tell from that picture." Maybe make a few people think. Not many, but maybe a few.

Katie looks like a teenage girl. Arin only looks transgendered because he pulled up lesbianswholooklikejustinbieber.com and thought "fark yeah. THAT'S the look for me"


To be fair though, who hasn't pulled up lesbianswholooklikejustinbieber.com and thought that?
2012-11-11 01:01:18 AM
1 votes:
The only problem I have with articles like these is that when they're called out as transgendered in the headline, I'm just looking at the picture going "well duh, I can totally tell." You should withhold that information so I'm looking at the picture saying "what a strangely typical couple, what's odd about this?" Then, at the end, BAM - transgendered. And then people are shaken, like "whaaaat I totally couldn't tell from that picture." Maybe make a few people think. Not many, but maybe a few.
2012-11-11 12:53:10 AM
1 votes:

PhiloeBedoe: My wedding gifts to them will be a platinum watch fob and some really nice combs.



Ok, that was really, really funny.
2012-11-11 12:43:09 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: Did she (now he) get her (now his) dick? Cause THAT would be cool.


Well, for varying definitions of "getting it" otherwise:

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2012-11-11 12:41:58 AM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: NowhereMon: Kids that age have no idea what they want.

Remember when you had no idea whether you were a chick or a dude?


yeah, but the peyote wore off a couple hours later.
2012-11-11 12:38:15 AM
1 votes:
Did she (now he) get her (now his) dick? Cause THAT would be cool.
2012-11-10 11:38:49 PM
1 votes:
They're pretty adorable.
2012-11-10 10:44:44 PM
1 votes:
The two of them are an adorable couple. I hope the best for both!
2012-11-10 08:58:03 PM
1 votes:
They make a really cute lesbian couple.
2012-11-10 08:46:23 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: D'awwww.


I was going to say this but I couldn't think of the words.
2012-11-10 08:31:27 PM
1 votes:
I'm happy for them both...but, I have to admit that Arin looks like Justin Bieber.
 
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