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2012-11-11 03:59:13 AM

thisiszombocom: as long as the farked up people stay to themselves and dont have kids who farking cares


Exactly! I couldn't agree more. Wait... you were talking about bigots, right?
 
2012-11-11 04:06:41 AM
We are becoming a John Varley novel.
 
2012-11-11 04:08:43 AM
I'm amazed at the people in here saying they hope these kids don't procreate. Can't have the freaks and weirdos spreading their genes, right?

I've got some bad news for you. You are descended from a very long line of freaks and weirdos. It's called mutation. You owe everything to it, and sometimes it produces surprising results from unlikely sources. You don't have the omniscience to see all ends. You have no idea how helpful or hurtful their genes could be. Your arrogance on the other hand is extremely harmful.
 
2012-11-11 04:09:33 AM

phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.


Nope not ok. If a woman or man crosses the acceptable comfort line it is harassment from a legal standpoint. Mind you I'm Canadian and there is presidence. Also I am a lesbian magnet.
 
2012-11-11 04:12:57 AM

NobleHam: I've talked about this with transgendered people before. I think the issue is three-fold. The first reason is selfish, but a lot of gay people don't like being lumped in with transgendered people. As supportive as we are of rights for all parts of the LGBT, it can be annoying when cisgendered straights assume we're all the same, that gay people are confused about their gender or like to cross-dress, and so forth. It can sometimes seem like the LG would have an easier time if it weren't for the BT. It's stupid, but that's reason one.

Reason two is that transgenderism (if that's the word, I'm not completely sober) is just not very well understood by most people, including gay people. If you're not transgendered it can be very hard to understand what it feels like, and if you are transgendered I imagine it can be very hard to explain. A lot of gay people just don't "get it," or think it's a cop-out on being gay, etc.


I see it mostly as a lack of empathy. I'm not trans, so I'm not going to say I know what it's like, but it's not hard for me to recognize that it has to really suck to not identify with your own body, especially living in a family/culture that is not accepting.

And while anyone who's not an idiot should be able to distinguish between gender identity and sexual preference, I think LGBT are lumped together because, from the outside, the struggle for acceptance and the bullying and hatred from others appear very similar, if not identical.
 
2012-11-11 04:15:31 AM

Coelacanth: We are becoming a John Varley novel.


I've never met a man who so hated his own penis like that guy.
 
2012-11-11 04:34:12 AM
College will ruin this story
 
2012-11-11 04:55:23 AM

Gosling: Yeah. There are actually some people out there who are both gay and transgender at the same time. As in, you were born a man, you feel you're supposed to be a woman, and yet you're still attracted to women.


If I remember from my late night Loveline listening a few years back Dr. Drew often said that people who undergo sex change operations do so to pursue relationships with the same sex they changed to more than the opposite. Or gender. I forget which one I'm supposed to say in which case.
 
2012-11-11 05:06:25 AM

PhiloeBedoe: My wedding gifts to them will be a platinum watch fob and some really nice combs.


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O, those would be magical gifts
 
2012-11-11 05:12:08 AM
person loves person who loves them back.

it will be nice when this isn't "weird" news.
 
2012-11-11 05:24:23 AM

GhostFish: I'm amazed at the people in here saying they hope these kids don't procreate. Can't have the freaks and weirdos spreading their genes, right?

I've got some bad news for you. You are descended from a very long line of freaks and weirdos. It's called mutation. You owe everything to it, and sometimes it produces surprising results from unlikely sources. You don't have the omniscience to see all ends. You have no idea how helpful or hurtful their genes could be. Your arrogance on the other hand is extremely harmful.


So let me get this straight...They are mutants? I have to live out my life as a simple male hetero and they get to be X-men.

Seems unfair.
 
2012-11-11 05:30:53 AM

DerekSD: she's hot!

/you figure out which one i'm talking about.


da fuq is this i don't even....

/seriously though good for them
 
2012-11-11 05:35:13 AM
Which one has the vajaja? Can they reproduce? Well they've at least doubled their wardrobe!
 
2012-11-11 05:37:30 AM
Link

Gosling:

Yeah. There are actually some people out there who are both gay and transgender at the same time. As in, you were born a man, you feel you're supposed to be a woman, and yet you're still attracted to women.


img854.imageshack.us

/agrees 
//not hot
///linked, that is
 
2012-11-11 05:39:43 AM
Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.
 
2012-11-11 05:45:38 AM

Myria: Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.


:(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?
 
2012-11-11 05:53:45 AM

queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?


No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.
 
2012-11-11 05:58:15 AM
None of my business, or anybody else's.
Glad they're happy, may they live happily ever after.
 
2012-11-11 06:01:16 AM

Myria: Those who tell us that we should just accept our birth gender don't understand that they're asking us to kill ourselves. We'd rather be dead than have to live as the sex we were born. The mental pain from feeling that you're the opposite gender, known as gender dysphoria, is extremely intense and often leads to suicide.

I'm still living as male because I still look male. From this, I have suicidal thoughts several times per week from gender dysphoria. I sleep all day on weekends because the dream world is so much less painful than the real world, and keeps me from crying.

My life is a waste.


I have a close family member that is now post-op like 20 years and even before she transitioned she was relatively well adjusted and happy, albiet it involved alot of therapy and acceptance by some close friends and family.

The frequency and severity of the feelings you are experiencing makes me wonder if you may have an underlying condition, such as chronic depression. If you haven't sought therapy, then you should do so. If you are currently seeing a therapist, then you should definately explore this with them.
 
2012-11-11 06:06:06 AM

brobinson2001: Not trolling, but thank Nature they figured this out before they reproduced. Yeah, it's heartwarming on an emotional level, but from a purely genetic standpoint, I'm glad they both got snipped before spreading this crap into the general gene pool, and weakening the entire species.

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2012-11-11 06:08:25 AM
 
2012-11-11 06:10:56 AM

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


However it is that you want to be, and whoever it is that you are attracted to - it is out there. Don't stop looking. There are more things in heaven and earth, Myria, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
 
2012-11-11 06:16:28 AM
As cute and sappy as this is, the following line at the bottom of the article somewhat spoils it:


Sorry we are unable to accept comments for legal reasons.


Nice to know that the Daily Mail has such faith in its own readership that the comments were switched off to prevent hate speech aimed at a 16 and 18 year old in love with each other.
 
2012-11-11 06:22:21 AM
Wow. This thread reaffirms my belief that there are terrible human beings that frequent this site.

Thanks Fark!
 
2012-11-11 06:36:00 AM
Dear Religious Wimps,

Baby Jesus is crying because this shiat is freaking adorable. It's like being surrounded by hellhound puppies who only breath fire when they burp.

Adult Jesus is weeping because 2000 years later you judgmental motherfarkers are still quicker to violence than peace, so his whole 33 year vacation from running the universe was an utter waste of time.
 
2012-11-11 06:36:12 AM

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Consistent use of estrogen can make big changes. I won't pretend I know exactly what you're dealing with, but transitioning m/f people have all been down that road. You'd have a lot of medical and trans community social support.
 
2012-11-11 06:40:33 AM

BronyMedic: Wow. This thread reaffirms my belief that there are terrible human beings that frequent this site.

Thanks Fark!

 
2012-11-11 06:43:27 AM
The real question here that no one is asking, how come they look like siblings?
 
2012-11-11 07:13:25 AM

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


You're unhappy with the way you look and are having suicidal thoughts. For the time being, instead of thinking about a sex change, maybe you should get therapy to help yourself come to terms with your body and appearance as it is now. You shouldnt be having suicidal thoughts and you should be able. to function. After all, many people have disabilities that affect their appearance or gender identity but are able to function.
 
2012-11-11 07:34:47 AM
So, in other words, they wasted alot of money on surgery.

/I may be a lesbian trapped in a mans body, but I ain't cutting nothing off.
 
2012-11-11 07:47:28 AM

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Then God needs to revamp His definition of 'abomination'.

/ says the conflicted, bisexual practicing Catholic
 
2012-11-11 07:54:55 AM

StopLurkListen: rockforever: 2. Which one do I fap too?

You're 17. Looking at *linoleum* makes you wanna have sex.


OK who let Xander in here?
 
2012-11-11 07:55:27 AM
How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.
 
2012-11-11 08:03:18 AM
Arin, the youger of the two, is still biologically female.
 
2012-11-11 08:14:03 AM
Yes, because every decision I made at 18 was a wise one.
 
2012-11-11 08:14:31 AM

BronyMedic: Wow. This thread reaffirms my belief that there are terrible human beings that frequent this site.

Thanks Fark!


And there are a lot of very good people who post here. Don't forget about them.
 
2012-11-11 08:15:40 AM

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.


Wow, pretty much every ignorant anti-LGBT misconception all in one post. You're very efficient, I'll give you that much.
 
2012-11-11 08:17:40 AM
Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.

Then why did God make them like this?
 
2012-11-11 08:19:24 AM

halloran: You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far.


Troll or mind-numbingly stupid? It's so damned hard to tell these days.
 
2012-11-11 08:19:39 AM

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.


Ah, you're so provincial it's almost cute.
 
2012-11-11 08:19:46 AM

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.


8/10 - you could have fit something else in there, not sure what but I don't think you pissed off everyone yet.
 
2012-11-11 08:21:27 AM

rockforever: Two questions.

1. Is this gay or not?

2. Which one do I fap too?


1. Depends on where they are in the trans.

2. 1 is 16 1 is 18. Do the math.
 
2012-11-11 08:30:53 AM

phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.


she could have found other people to ask besides coworkers. i mean, she could have easily found a good support group elsewhere, thanks to the intarwebs.

using the women's bathroom though? shouldn't be a problem for anybody.
 
2012-11-11 08:32:14 AM

Myria: queenalice: :(

I don't have gender i.d. issues but I know what you're talking about with the whole sleeping is better than being awake.

Obvious follow-up question is, what are you going to do about it? Is it an issue with having the funds to have the necessary procedures to get you in your right skin?

No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Myria, see if you can contact Joelle Ruby Ryan (PhD). We were in grad school together. She's scarred, but so strong. Google around -- last I heard she was teaching at U of NH.
 
2012-11-11 08:35:01 AM
How nice for them!
 
2012-11-11 08:38:53 AM

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.

 

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-11 08:40:09 AM
Good for them. They look very very happy in those pics. I hope it works out for them.

/hard enough to find someone..why biatch about 2 in love?
 
2012-11-11 08:57:48 AM
Honest question:

Is the dude's new "equipment" operational? Do they install one of those Reebok Pump kind of things? Where do they get the new appendage from?

The mechanics behind the new equipment on both sides is intriguing in a medical science kind of way.

/ DRTFA
 
2012-11-11 08:57:58 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

I mean its great they found eachother...but wouldn't they just feel that way anyhow being their own sex?


It's the only delusion supported by the medical community. If you think that you're Napoleon, they lock you in a rubber room, but if you think you're the opposite sex, they encourage you to run with it, and anybody who points out that it's just a delusion is ridiculed and labeled "hater" or "phobic." It's the modern version of "The Emperor's New Clothes."
 
2012-11-11 09:01:07 AM
Well, at least they can't breed
 
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