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2012-11-11 09:04:21 AM  
beancounters.blogs.com
 
2012-11-11 09:10:06 AM  
So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?
 
2012-11-11 09:14:56 AM  
Probably the only couple in the world who understands each other.
 
2012-11-11 09:15:28 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

Stupid, doesn't think things through or poor reading comprehension? Help me out here.


Ignorant. You know how you can tell? Because other people answered his question and he thanked them.

Not understanding transgender folks doesn't make someone stupid or mean. Many of us have not (to our knowledge) met someone who is, much less discussed their deepest feelings. That doesn't mean we don't like them or are going to do the whole "this is an abomination" thing - it simply means that we don't understand. So please don't insult someone who asks a question to learn more about the people they share the world with.
 
2012-11-11 09:20:27 AM  
I guess this means that they aren't gay?
 
2012-11-11 09:35:02 AM  

runujhkj: The only problem I have with articles like these is that when they're called out as transgendered in the headline, I'm just looking at the picture going "well duh, I can totally tell." You should withhold that information so I'm looking at the picture saying "what a strangely typical couple, what's odd about this?" Then, at the end, BAM - transgendered. And then people are shaken, like "whaaaat I totally couldn't tell from that picture." Maybe make a few people think. Not many, but maybe a few.


1. That would require a level of cleverness the Daily Fail has never, ever achieved.
2. That would also be called "going full Matthew McConnaghey" and you should never go "full Matthew McConnaghey."

In other news:
i.dailymail.co.uk
If we really were British, would we be gobsmacked or snackered?
 
2012-11-11 09:37:00 AM  

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


God created them that way and knew it would turn out like this.

And he loves them.

So... Deal with that.
 
2012-11-11 09:39:59 AM  
This thread has done went full retard.
 
2012-11-11 09:45:24 AM  

Shadowtag: It's like being surrounded by hellhound puppies who only breath fire when they burp.


This is officially the greatest image ever. Does it exist somewhere or do I have to make it?
 
2012-11-11 09:47:55 AM  

dopekitty74: So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?


No, one has girlparts and the other has mutilated boyparts. And, they're a straight couple... always will be.
 
2012-11-11 09:51:46 AM  
As fark won't let me respond to anything halloran said now that i've plonked it....

Kerplonk!
 
2012-11-11 09:56:54 AM  
They are adorable
 
2012-11-11 10:02:05 AM  
images.guitarcenter.com

Male / Female.


Simple enough for power cords.

A bit more complicated with humans.
 
2012-11-11 10:20:22 AM  

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Now here's a conundrum: If one of them never had a sex change (thus making them a gay couple), would it be less of an abomination?
 
2012-11-11 10:28:39 AM  

8InchFloppy: GhostFish: I'm amazed at the people in here saying they hope these kids don't procreate. Can't have the freaks and weirdos spreading their genes, right?

I've got some bad news for you. You are descended from a very long line of freaks and weirdos. It's called mutation. You owe everything to it, and sometimes it produces surprising results from unlikely sources. You don't have the omniscience to see all ends. You have no idea how helpful or hurtful their genes could be. Your arrogance on the other hand is extremely harmful.

So let me get this straight...They are mutants? I have to live out my life as a simple male hetero and they get to be X-men.

Seems unfair.


To be fair only one of them is an ex-man.

/still not our business
 
2012-11-11 10:31:01 AM  

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.


One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...
 
2012-11-11 10:34:19 AM  
Hey, you know what my opinion is about this? Doesn't matter! It affects me not at all.

Actually, I'm very happy for them. If this is an abomination, well, that's god's problem. Whichever god it is who feels abominated against, that is.
 
2012-11-11 10:40:04 AM  
It must be topsy turvy day! And didn't that "guy" change his name to "Beiber"?

Seriously though. Love is difficult enough to find in this world. So grab it with both hands when you find it.
 
2012-11-11 10:43:42 AM  
They ARE a cute couple, surprisingly so, I was half expecting this to be about sex changed naked mole-rats or some such, with the way Fark links are when it comes to Cute, Hottie, etc. Yet I still clicked it anyway... :P

Coelacanth: We are becoming a John Varley novel.


I am ok with this, as long as it is without the aliens that do the whole attempted extermination of humanity thing.
 
2012-11-11 10:47:47 AM  
I had a massive d'awwww for the article, they look like two happy kids who enjoy being around each other. And that's all that really matters, isn't it?

So of course I came here knowing full well it'd be full of derp and haters. It hasn't been quite the trainwreck I was expecting, but then it helps when you put certain threadshiatters on ignore.
 
2012-11-11 10:50:07 AM  

DrPainMD: dopekitty74: So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?

No, one has girlparts and the other has mutilated boyparts. And, they're a straight couple... always will be.


See this person?

images.art.com

www.erikacoimbra.com.br

That's Erika Coimbra. Competed with Brazil on the volleyball team in 2000 and 2004.

She has XY chromosones. Male chromosones. She has had no surgery.

Do you think she should be required to marry a guy, or a girl?
 
2012-11-11 10:53:12 AM  
daaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
2012-11-11 10:55:31 AM  

someguy945: Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.

Now here's a conundrum: If one of them never had a sex change (thus making them a gay couple), would it be less of an abomination?


chan.catiewayne.com
 
2012-11-11 11:13:27 AM  

Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.


Sweet! good for them. God is a dick.
 
2012-11-11 11:14:31 AM  

NowhereMon: Kids that age have no idea what they want.


But yet every single kid makes decisions before they reach adulthood (age=35) that they live with for their entire lives, and most of them don't look as happy as these two.
 
2012-11-11 11:15:56 AM  

Amos Quito: someguy945: Silly Jesus: This is an abomination against God.

Now here's a conundrum: If one of them never had a sex change (thus making them a gay couple), would it be less of an abomination?

[chan.catiewayne.com image 262x313]


I am (and was) well aware he was joking around. I'm joking around with him. I don't even consider it a troll attempt.
 
2012-11-11 11:17:35 AM  

BronyMedic: Wow. This thread reaffirms my belief that there are terrible human beings that frequent this site.

Thanks Fark!


Really? I was pleasantly surprised at how few bigots commented on this. Maybe it's just my faulty memory, but I recall previous trans threads being much much worse than this.
 
2012-11-11 11:17:55 AM  

thisiszombocom: as long as the farked up people stay to themselves and dont have kids who farking cares


We are all just hoping you don't reproduce. Just stand a little closer as you microwave your tub o'butter and biscuits.
 
2012-11-11 11:18:11 AM  

brobinson2001: Not trolling, but thank Nature they figured this out before they reproduced. Yeah, it's heartwarming on an emotional level, but from a purely genetic standpoint, I'm glad they both got snipped before spreading this crap into the general gene pool, and weakening the entire species.


My Father's transgendered, I guess I should just head off to your death camp right?
 
2012-11-11 11:19:34 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: DrPainMD: dopekitty74: So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?

No, one has girlparts and the other has mutilated boyparts. And, they're a straight couple... always will be.

See this person?

[images.art.com image 385x476]

[www.erikacoimbra.com.br image 210x384]

That's Erika Coimbra. Competed with Brazil on the volleyball team in 2000 and 2004.

She has XY chromosones. Male chromosones. She has had no surgery.

Do you think she should be required to marry a guy, or a girl?


I think he should marry whomever he wants to marry. It's nobody's business but his own (and the fiances, of course).
 
2012-11-11 11:19:55 AM  
One side of my brain thinks this is spiffy, good for them. The other side thinks it's just damn inefficient.
 
2012-11-11 11:23:38 AM  

brobinson2001: Not trolling, but thank Nature they figured this out before they reproduced. Yeah, it's heartwarming on an emotional level, but from a purely genetic standpoint, I'm glad they both got snipped before spreading this crap into the general gene pool, and weakening the entire species.


Hahah. Oh man. So, can you explain Honey Boo Boo and how shiat like her existance isn't the weakening to which you refer? Also.. do you wear a robe and pointy hat only on the weekends or every day?
 
2012-11-11 11:25:04 AM  

Oznog: ladydouji: Aww they make such a cute couple.

Am I weird for hoping they also made plans in case they ever want to have biological children(harvesting and storing some of her sperm and his eggs before they get too far in the re-assignment therapy and surgery) They would still need to use a surrogate though. Or they could forget the biological route and adopt

A lot of transsexuals don't have reassignment surgery on their genitals. With female-to-male, it's incredibly complicated, and "results" aren't all that great overall.

With male-to-female, they're damn good at making it LOOK female from the outside. However, the pubic bone is kind of in the wrong place, and the possible depth-of-penetration and keeping it "functional" are sometimes problematic. Sometimes it fails and "closes up" in the long run.... So it may NOT actually "work". It's complicated surgery and has risks. Furthermore, some M-F transgendered aren't bothered by having a penis as long as they've got boobs and a female face consistent with their identity.

So... well I really don't care. Not my business to worry about what genitals they have. I only troubled when I'm trying to be formally polite and am approached by a stranger who I wish to address as "Sir" or "Ma'am" and can't figure it out. I can only hope a mannish lesbian has probably been called "sir" before and doesn't think much of it.


How about stop pretending it is 1885 and just call them "You"?
 
2012-11-11 11:26:52 AM  
At their wedding the champagne will taste just like Coca~Cola
 
2012-11-11 11:27:24 AM  

sleeps in trees: phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.

Nope not ok. If a woman or man crosses the acceptable comfort line it is harassment from a legal standpoint. Mind you I'm Canadian and there is presidence. Also I am a lesbian magnet.


Since you misspelled precedence I'm gonna go ahead and assume you also misspelled midget.
 
2012-11-11 11:28:41 AM  
At least it is still marriage between one man and one woman, amirite?
 
2012-11-11 11:32:49 AM  

halloran: How is this cute and adorable? These poor kids underwent surgery to 'become' something they are not. They were bullied and felt out of place and felt the only way out was to change there gender. It's such a weird thing to do. They may even have problems later in life .... so many risks involved all because of sex. Sex is not for fun. It is to make more human babies. Be happy with who you are. These urges are nothing more than animal instincts. If you can't control your animal instincts you are not very evolved. You need to recognise the fact that being gay is abnormal and if it was normal then everyone would be gay and no humans would have made it this far. We would never have stepped foot on the moon because humans would be extinct.


If we would have stuck to your idiotic philosophy we never would have stepped foot on the moon because the Earth would still be flat and the center of the universe.

Males dogs put it in the butt of other male dogs, but there are plenty of biatches running around. 'Splain that?
 
2012-11-11 11:35:33 AM  

DrPainMD: Darth_Lukecash: Yeah...but... Okay I'm really confused.

So transgender really means you think you're born the wrong sex... But how do you know that you're not just gay?

I mean its great they found eachother...but wouldn't they just feel that way anyhow being their own sex?

It's the only delusion supported by the medical community. If you think that you're Napoleon, they lock you in a rubber room, but if you think you're the opposite sex, they encourage you to run with it, and anybody who points out that it's just a delusion is ridiculed and labeled "hater" or "phobic." It's the modern version of "The Emperor's New Clothes."


Since it is supported by "the medical community", perhaps your definintion of the word "delusional" is not the medical definition.
 
2012-11-11 11:40:09 AM  

DrPainMD: The Jami Turman Fan Club: DrPainMD: dopekitty74: So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?

No, one has girlparts and the other has mutilated boyparts. And, they're a straight couple... always will be.

See this person?

[images.art.com image 385x476]

[www.erikacoimbra.com.br image 210x384]

That's Erika Coimbra. Competed with Brazil on the volleyball team in 2000 and 2004.

She has XY chromosones. Male chromosones. She has had no surgery.

Do you think she should be required to marry a guy, or a girl?

I think he should marry whomever he wants to marry. It's nobody's business but his own (and the fiances, of course).


Ahem. Thouest can stop writing "whom" now.. it's the 21st century. I noticed you did not put two spaces after your period. Pick a stupid convention and stick with it, smart guy.
 
2012-11-11 11:40:41 AM  
I do wonder, how much of gender identity disorder is due to discomfort with one's physical body, as opposed to how much is due to discomfort with stereotypical gender roles correlated with one's sex. For example, if our society never pressured anyone into certain roles and was completely accepting of people, would they go through with the surgery?

From the article:
"'Girly things didn't interest me, but I was worried what people would think if I said I wanted to be a boy, so I kept it secret.'
Arin's mother Denise, 41, encouraged him to compete in local pageant contests and he became an accomplished female ballet and clogging dancer. But Arin's secret love was riding motocross bikes with his father Mitch, 42, and doing triathlons and rock-climbing."

and from another article about Katie Hill:
In a house teeming with testosterone, Luke never wanted to do typical boy stuff.
His dad, Randy Hill, served as a lieutenant colonel in the Marines and leads the ROTC program at Bixby High School.
"We need to prepare for the fact that our child will probably be gay," Jazzlyn would tell Randy, hoping she could help him adjust to the idea. Randy was a jock, athletic, and wanted a son to play football and catch with.
Luke would never be that boy. He would sit quietly with Crayolas and color.


So, if Arin was encouraged as a girl - and not just by tolerant parents in spite of society, but by society - to do anything she wanted, including rock-climbing and motorcross, and if Luke was encouraged as a boy to do anything he wanted, including coloring and playing with dolls, would they later have wanted surgery?
Any TG farkers with some insight?
 
2012-11-11 11:40:57 AM  

cycle23: sleeps in trees: phartman: I have transgender on my team working as a data analyst. A few months before he became she, he was constantly asking the women about their breasts and in general, being really really weird. The HR people got involved and he was three seconds from being fired for sexual harassment, until he blurted out that he was considering a sex change and 'just wanted advice', and his wife wouldn't give it. Suddenly all was forgiven and he was allowed to continue what every else found rather creepy. This is just wrong and not from a 'God will punish' standpoint but from an equality standpoint. Any normal guy just admiring a female employee's boobs would be vilified, but this guy was not. He later became she and insisted on using the lady's room, which further weirded everyone out. I guess my point is that tolerance can some times be a bit one-sided. If I were in his high-heels, I think I would have quit my job and simply started again elsewhere instead of putting fellow employees under pressure. FWIW.

Nope not ok. If a woman or man crosses the acceptable comfort line it is harassment from a legal standpoint. Mind you I'm Canadian and there is presidence. Also I am a lesbian magnet.

Since you misspelled precedence I'm gonna go ahead and assume you also misspelled midget.


Bravo! Favorited.
img221.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-11 11:42:59 AM  
This far and no Garp references?

sgrumbleoutloud.files.wordpress.com

Come on, give Lithgow some love, folks.
 
2012-11-11 11:45:13 AM  

Myria: No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.


Consider that you might be happier living as female, even if people "read" you everywhere you went. There are transsexuals who are happier even when they don't "pass." I think for many people, and perhaps for you especially, "Will I be able to pass?" shouldn't be your biggest concern.
 
2012-11-11 11:49:55 AM  

ciberido: Myria: No, it's an issue with the current limit of medical technology. I don't think that doctors can do anything to help me look female, since my body type is so strongly masculine. I can afford surgeries, but they wouldn't do any good. I'm better off dead.

Consider that you might be happier living as female, even if people "read" you everywhere you went. There are transsexuals who are happier even when they don't "pass." I think for many people, and perhaps for you especially, "Will I be able to pass?" shouldn't be your biggest concern.


Myria, can you check back in at some point? It's concerning that the last thing you wrote was ... well, what it was. It's Sunday, so maybe by your own admission you're sleeping. I urge you to read and digest the comments of support you have just in this thread alone. There is more support out there. All hope is not lost! Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.
 
2012-11-11 11:50:10 AM  

DrPainMD: dopekitty74: So right now, both have girlparts down below?

I understand that the surgery to add boy parts is pretty gnarly (not in a good way) but doesn't this technically make them a lesbian couple?

No, one has girlparts and the other has mutilated boyparts. And, they're a straight couple... always will be.


It's interesting how much this bothers you. You really, really seem intimidated by transsexuals.
 
2012-11-11 11:56:21 AM  
As you like it.
 
2012-11-11 12:01:59 PM  

BronyMedic: Wow. This thread reaffirms my belief that there are terrible human beings that frequent this site.

Thanks Fark!


You needed some kind of reminder? I just guess that about every site I visit ever for all time eternally.
 
2012-11-11 12:02:50 PM  
First, I know a married transgender couple so this doesn't look like news to me.

Second, if the Farker's name is "SillyJesus", don't take his "Abomination" comment seriously; he was probably giggling when he posted it.

As for the couple in the article, these people seem to have known at a really young age that they wanted to be the gender opposite the one they were born as.
Without being in their place, we have know way to evaluate that decision except that what they have done doesn't change our ability to live our own lives; reading about it may have opened our minds a little. The fact that they are happy as they are (now) is pretty cool.
 
2012-11-11 12:04:32 PM  

Prey4reign: runujhkj: The only problem I have with articles like these is that when they're called out as transgendered in the headline, I'm just looking at the picture going "well duh, I can totally tell." You should withhold that information so I'm looking at the picture saying "what a strangely typical couple, what's odd about this?" Then, at the end, BAM - transgendered. And then people are shaken, like "whaaaat I totally couldn't tell from that picture." Maybe make a few people think. Not many, but maybe a few.

1. That would require a level of cleverness the Daily Fail has never, ever achieved.
2. That would also be called "going full Matthew McConnaghey" and you should never go "full Matthew McConnaghey."

In other news:
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x511]
If we really were British, would we be gobsmacked or snackered?


I can dream, dammit. It's not exactly high-level journalism to not tell the reader something that colors their perception of the entire article.
 
2012-11-11 12:07:15 PM  
So who farks who?
 
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