I felt pretty bad in 2004 because the President was reelected after it became abundantly clear that his administration had mislead the country into a pointless war on false pretenses. A war that was leading to countless and pointless civilian and military casualties.

That had all been established, but the population felt like ignoring it and let that bastard stay in office for another 4 years.

So yeah, I was reasonably miffed. I wasn't upset that Kerry lost. I was upset that no one seemed to give a shiat about pointless war and death being embraced as nationalism.

So no, hopefully the right doesn't feel as bad as all that. Because if they do they are histrionic whiners and they need a good slap. If you want to cry about Obama winning, someone should give you something to really cry about.

I love the "libs were worse in 2004" argument. I wonder if it had anything to do with the goddamn Iraqi war, idiots.

The GOP is angry that the guy enacting universal healthcare was re-elected in a landslide. The democrats were angry that the guy who started a war based on false intelligence, that got 5000 Americans killed, was re-elected based on one state that happened to have a laundry list of questionable voting controversies ranging from fictitious voter registration purges to cronyism in the voting machine purchases.

Golly, I can totally see it now.

Bill Frist: Of course, Democrats also had reasons to legitimately feel worse as re-electing Bush made us the farking laughingstock of the world (on the flip side, the world was HEAVILY backing Obama), and, I feel pretty safe saying, Bush will easily go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst post-war president.

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That's one thing I overlooked in all of the celebrating: part of the reason the Republicans want to bash down Obama is to save Dubya's record. If Obama is just as bad as Dubya, that means that (according to whatever Republicans think logic is) that Dubya isn't the nation's worst president. Of course, they tried to do this by linking various Obama problems with Dubya catastrophes ("This is Obama's Katrina," etc.) so they could start their little shiatty revisionist history nonsense.

Now look at it: Obama is doing a great job considering the obstructionism of the Republicans in Congress. He got some form of healthcare reform passed. He managed to catch the man Dubya never could, and excelled in the face of adversity. The main complaint about Obama is that he wants to bring the country that Dubya separated back together. The worst complaints about Dubya stem from two big holes in Manhattan, quadrupled gas prices, New Orleans being in horrible disrepair, and...well, we would need a list, wouldn't we?

The part that pisses off the Republicans the most is that it tosses their beliefs about race out the window. Dubya grew up with privilege, had everything going in his favor....and is possibly the stupidest person alive. Obama grew up and worked for everything he had, and today is possibly one of the best presidents that this nation has ever seen. Obama is the living embodiment of the ideal that Republicans claim to be for but never support. Obama is the one rebuilding the nation to its glory. You see a Republican mentioning that? They're too busy trying to find more word games to cover for their bigotry. And they still pretend that Dubya--the pinnacle of what their sheltered and twisted worldview--doesn't exist.

Of course, Democrats also had reasons to legitimately feel worse as re-electing Bush made us the farking laughingstock of the world (on the flip side, the world was HEAVILY backing Obama), and, I feel pretty safe saying, Bush will easily go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst post-war president.

The Far right conservatives weren't voting for Romney, they were simply voting against Obama I seriously doubt any type of outreach made by president Obama will be well received. The far right won't give a shiat if Obama offers Romney a place on his cabinet. What they cared about is Obama getting a second term, they are so insane with hatred they would rather work towards destroying the country to self prophetize the 1000 years of darkness of the Obama re-election. instead of trying to work with liberals to improve the country.

The answer offered by party mandarins and the establishment press was that the time had come for Democrats to return to the moderation and centrism of the Clinton era

ORLY? So the Democrats adapted by going back towards the center despite what the extremists of their supporters wanted, but the answer for Republican's getting their butts kicked is to pander even more to their side's extremists?

Hmm, OK... Go for it idiots.

Guntram Shatterhand: Bill Frist: Of course, Democrats also had reasons to legitimately feel worse as re-electing Bush made us the farking laughingstock of the world (on the flip side, the world was HEAVILY backing Obama), and, I feel pretty safe saying, Bush will easily go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst post-war president.

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That's one thing I overlooked in all of the celebrating: part of the reason the Republicans want to bash down Obama is to save Dubya's record. If Obama is just as bad as Dubya, that means that (according to whatever Republicans think logic is) that Dubya isn't the nation's worst president. Of course, they tried to do this by linking various Obama problems with Dubya catastrophes ("This is Obama's Katrina," etc.) so they could start their little shiatty revisionist history nonsense.

Now look at it: Obama is doing a great job considering the obstructionism of the Republicans in Congress. He got some form of healthcare reform passed. He managed to catch the man Dubya never could, and excelled in the face of adversity. The main complaint about Obama is that he wants to bring the country that Dubya separated back together. The worst complaints about Dubya stem from two big holes in Manhattan, quadrupled gas prices, New Orleans being in horrible disrepair, and...well, we would need a list, wouldn't we?

The part that pisses off the Republicans the most is that it tosses their beliefs about race out the window. Dubya grew up with privilege, had everything going in his favor....and is possibly the stupidest person alive. Obama grew up and worked for everything he had, and today is possibly one of the best presidents that this nation has ever seen. Obama is the living embodiment of the ideal that Republicans claim to be for but never support. Obama is the one rebuilding the nation to its glory. You see a Republican mentioning that? They're too busy trying to find more word games to cover for their bigotry. And they still pretend that Dubya--the pinnacle of what their sheltered and twisted worldview--doesn't exist.

It's not about Obama's race. Not primarily. That's just a bonus that they can play on to help with the larger goal. The larger goal is to provide the various sects of the GOP with a single target for their frustration and hatred.

They've been conned into hating Obama as a way to keep the party from tearing itself apart. That is the rationale behind the insane hatred and distrust that is channeled at Obama. It gives them a reason to stay united as a party.

Without the socialist, gay, Muslim Kenyan in office these various groups have little to no reason to get along and unite under one banner.

The establishment recognizes as much, and they will happily destroy a decent man in the eyes of the people if it let's them hold on to power.

skinink: I have no sympathy for the Republican Party when all nine of the nominees in their Primary really weren't qualified to be President. The smart Republicans (Jeb Bush, Chris Christie) just sat this one out.

HEY. I'm the libbiest lib that ever did lib, but I would have been so happy had Huntsman been the Republican nom.

In a world where Conservatives were not wing-nuts, I'd tolerate a Huntsman presidency.

Oh god, Tuesday sucked, but remember 8 years ago? You know, when the Democrats were even more pissed off because we started a war based on lies that got a bunch of people killed for no reason? So HA! Take that Democrats!

YoungSwedishBlonde: Oh god, Tuesday sucked, but remember 8 years ago? You know, when the Democrats were even more pissed off because we started a war based on lies that got a bunch of people killed for no reason? So HA! Take that Democrats!

FARKING THIS.

Also: he of the anti-war left, African parentage, utterly socially liberal and with the middle name Hussein

Well no shiat, Sherlock. Here in America, we try not to judge people based on their race, or on a middle name popular multiple decades ago. Don't know what it's like out in Best Korea, though.

Republicans: I Feel your Pain!

NOT

This is correct. I felt horrible 8 years ago. I remember rocking my kid to sleep, heartbroken that he would grow up in a world where that man was president. I was crushed that he might remember GWB as president, and worried about what this might portend for his future.

I imagine that's a lot like what a lot of the GOP must feel like now. The difference of course, being I didn't dislike GWB because of his race or because of make-believe.

bulldg4life: I love the "libs were worse in 2004" argument. I wonder if it had anything to do with the goddamn Iraqi war, idiots.

The GOP is angry that the guy enacting universal healthcare was re-elected in a landslide. The democrats were angry that the guy who started a war based on false intelligence, that got 5000 Americans killed, was re-elected based on one state that happened to have a laundry list of questionable voting controversies ranging from fictitious voter registration purges to cronyism in the voting machine purchases.

Golly, I can totally see it now.

When I get home from walking these dogs I need to Favorite you.

All I have to add as to their loss is this.

randomjsa: That's what has been funny about the snickering and snorting from the liberals.

I remember how they acted in 2004 after Bush won. They were a hundred times more "butthurt" by it and acted that way.

As I said, they acted like inane children in 2004 and they're acting the same way now in spite of a result that goes in their favor.

Again, I don't think there's a bowl big enough to hold all the dicks you deserve to choke on.

nickelni: quatchi: namatad: "Republican Soul Searching Probably Mostly Pointless"
Well DUH. Everyone knows that Republicans don't have souls!!

See also: Gingers.

So much Prejudice in the world!

I had not seen that. TY fer linkage. Lawls.

/Like only a ninja can sneak up on another ninja...

randomjsa: I remember how they acted in 2004 after Bush won. They were a hundred times more "butthurt" by it and acted that way.

Oh PLEASE. What Liberals screamed that "American died! We are officially a fascist/socialist country!" like a thousand conservatives did this week?

What liberals tried to get their states to succeed from the union?

etc.

etc.

rynthetyn: Seems like they've forgotten that everybody knew that Kerry was probably going to lose. Unlike the reality distortion field that the GOP existed in where they were legitimately shocked.

I remember polls being VERY close.. and that every time John Kerry started to improve, another Terror Alert came out.

quatchi: namatad: "Republican Soul Searching Probably Mostly Pointless"
Well DUH. Everyone knows that Republicans don't have souls!!

See also: Gingers.

So much Prejudice in the world!

AirForceVet: WTF cares?

Sadly far too many GOP supporters. It's the tried and true mantra of the right, just keep yelling louder until the other side gets tired and goes away.

I have no sympathy for the Republican Party when all nine of the nominees in their Primary really weren't qualified to be President. The smart Republicans (Jeb Bush, Chris Christie) just sat this one out.

Kind of funny. The Republicans did everything to make sure John Kerry didn't win the 2004 Election just to wind up with Obama four years later, who I think the Republicans hate much more than they ever did Kerry.

I found the internet poll thingy on the side really annoying and distracting. It confirmed my long held suspicions that American media controls the national dialogue by shaping the parameters of the debate in shockingly limited terms. In this case "Entitlement cuts *and* a tax raise?" versus "Just entitlement cuts?", which are apparently a given.

Granted it *is* RCP, just saying, it's annoying.

On topic? Democrats felt worse 8 years ago? Well, no shiat,

America rewarded the guy who sat on his hands prior to 9/11 who then lied a country to war with a second term. I'm still pissed at that level of fail and I'm not even American. You know, pissed over actual reality based reasons as opposed to the vast assemblage of manufactured faux-rages ginned up daily by the entrenched RW media and cited by butt-hurt Repugs everywhere. 

Republicans don't need to search their souls here they just need to pull their collective head out of their collective ass.

Ambivalence: That's like 80% of what they stand for: Pissing off liberals.

80%? You're being generous. Especially seeing how giddy they were getting through Monday.