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2012-11-10 03:09:53 PM  
Obama has a clear win. The Senate picked up Democratic seats and has a Democratic majority. The House is still Republican, but it has fewer Republicans holding seats. America looked at both sides and made its choice. It wants Democratic policies and guiding principles, not Republican ones. Anyone who says this is not a mandate is currently reading America the way the Republicans read America right before the election. This is not gloating. It is not schadenfreude. It is a fact.

Democrats did not try to suppress the Republican vote, Democrats did not play any shenanigans with the voting machines. There is no evidence for rampant election fraud from the Democratic side, and the suppress-the-vote, ballot tampering, and registration shenanigans as any kind of concerted movement did not come from Democrats. Billionaire-funded Super PACs were overwhelmingly supporting Republicans, not Democrats. Being outspent is certainly not an excuse. No, the Democrats won, and they won comparatively cleanly. The Supreme Court did not appoint Obama. The election games in Ohio were not done by a Democratic Secretary of State. The fact is that Democrats won because they made a better case, and the American people chose them. You don't get to cry "Voter suppression!" by completely changing the definition of voter suppression.

Look, I do think it is unseemly for Democrats to gloat and take joy in their neighbor's sadness over losing. But, even if all of the liberals and Obama-supporters were incredibly gracious on down to the last man or woman, even if each and every one of them brought hugs and pie to every single disappointing Republican, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter because even when reality hits them with the Mack truck of the facts of this election, they refuse to see what it means about their world view. Many in the party are still spinning their own alternate universe where they were victimized, where Romney won, where no one supports Obama except "takers" intent on buggering "makers." If my guys were 100% wrong in their mathematical projections, I would be looking for better guys to do the math. I wouldn't be looking for guys intent on proving that the bad math was really good math.

For any Republican who is looking for a change, looking for facts, and trying to really figure out what happened, I just want you to know that I make a mean pie. You are welcome to come over for a hug followed by a delicious slice of chocolate truffle, pumpkin, cranberry-apple with cheddar, or chocolate-bourbon pecan.
 
2012-11-10 03:10:04 PM  

MFAWG: Sluggish economy


Ok, compare '84 to '80. Now compare '12 to '08. Its all relativity and perception.

high unemployment

Went from 7.5 in Nov '80 to 7.4 in Nov '84. From 3.9 in Nov '00 to 5.5 in Nov '04. From 6.5 in Nov '08 to 7.9 now.

and slightly fuzzy foreign policy

By '84, Reagan only had the Lebanon disaster and one rescued Caribbean country to his name. Ronbo didn't really kick in until his second-term.

None came forward, though

At which point you have to ask yourself why.
 
2012-11-10 03:10:18 PM  

BlippityBleep: NeverDrunk23: the opposite of charity is justice: I've never seen the politics tab so empty of rednames.

Its like the derp-Rapture occurred wednesday morning.

They are coming back, doing the exact same song and dance. Its sad how utterly pathetic they are.

There is a 'new' attention whore ruining threads with his lies and BS currently. He'll probably be the new phil black animal ged birther idiot.

i've seen a lot of the 'i hate obama because he signed republican policies, so vote republican' pony trotting around the past few days.


Also the 'It didn't matter as both sides suck' from Romney supporters to downplay Obama's win.

The SECOND Rush's show started on Wednesday, they all chimed in with the same derp. Doesn't it bother them to be told how to feel? Don't they have ANY self respect?
 
2012-11-10 03:11:45 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I called this, but I think I missed my popular vote prediction (50.2 to 48.6). Dang, no free month of TF for me. :(


Only if someone did better than that. Do you know? You could be walking around with a free month of TFER and not even know it. Now I'm nervous for you. What are you going to with it if you win?
 
2012-11-10 03:12:07 PM  
Also, from reading 538 and Professor Wang's site, I thought it was doubtful that Obama could carry Florida. I'm surprised in a good way that he actually did.
 
2012-11-10 03:13:12 PM  

Free Radical: Mandate.


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"Yes, please?"
 
2012-11-10 03:14:19 PM  

NeverDrunk23: There is a 'new' attention whore ruining threads with his lies and BS currently. He'll probably be the new phil black animal ged birther idiot.


Oh, Goofy Christ? Yeah, that braindead cocksucker sure is shiatting up every thread in the tab. He's probably all potted up. Gets a lot of bites, though, I'll give the cretin that much.
 
2012-11-10 03:14:24 PM  

Weaver95: I'm wondering about that myself. I've been saying for a while now that control of information is going to be key to future success of political parties. But was this true of THIS election?


For me, yes. The Republican perspective deeply affected traditional media. Extremely pervasive Fox and AM talk radio pulled the perspective far to the right of neutral. CBS 'This Morning' was an education on clumsy ways to present one party in a poor light using juxtaposition, placement, photo selections, etc.. Ironically, about the only 'non-aligned' news outlet that didn't follow was Democracy Now, who consistently criticized both candidates before tilting towards the fringe.
All the majors, for example, read from the Right's playbook on labor participation and the 'unchanged' unemployment since Obama took office - both false - with no apparent effect. These messages saturated the airways for months; the Right was highly effective in controlling the traditional narrative. It's possible the electorate chose to ignore dire signs to vote on feeling, or there was a countervailing influence.
One way to know for sure is if the Republicans renew their attack on freedom of expression and anonymity on the Internet in the guise of terrorist pirate child molesters. I would almost bet on it.
 
2012-11-10 03:18:35 PM  

Satosuke: 50.6% of the popular vote vs 47.9% is hardly a landslide...oh wait, popular votes mean jack shiat. My bad.


Go look up any electoral college landslide in history and marvel how the popular vote is less than 60%

Thats the beauty of, and the failure of, the winner take all voting system we have.

Either accept when you lose the same as when you win, or quit biatching entirely. I suspect a whole lot of these same complainers would have been absofarking lutely delighted had Romney managed a 332 electoral vote win. MANDATE!

But because the black guy and his merry band of tax and spend dimocrats are the actual national winner, you all pout like whiny babies who got denied your toy.
 
2012-11-10 03:18:58 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 427x640]

Aaaaaand bowties not only became uncool again, they became ANTI-cool.


This guy not amused by that statement.

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2012-11-10 03:19:03 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: MFAWG: Sluggish economy

Ok, compare '84 to '80. Now compare '12 to '08. Its all relativity and perception.

high unemployment

Went from 7.5 in Nov '80 to 7.4 in Nov '84. From 3.9 in Nov '00 to 5.5 in Nov '04. From 6.5 in Nov '08 to 7.9 now.

and slightly fuzzy foreign policy

By '84, Reagan only had the Lebanon disaster and one rescued Caribbean country to his name. Ronbo didn't really kick in until his second-term.

None came forward, though

At which point you have to ask yourself why.


I suspect fear of the primaries and the 'Base' as much as any concern about Barry Hussein.

Pawlenty was a reasonable sounding guy, and couldn't get out of the gate in Iowa.
 
2012-11-10 03:19:30 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Also, from reading 538 and Professor Wang's site, I thought it was doubtful that Obama could carry Florida. I'm surprised in a good way that he actually did.


Same here.

All the polls seemed to suggest Romney would win FL until the last few polls came out. 

I really wonder if Sandy had any effect.
 
2012-11-10 03:22:36 PM  

Weaver95: I'm wondering about that myself. I've been saying for a while now that control of information is going to be key to future success of political parties. But was this true of THIS election? that's less clear. I think it's safe to say that online instant fact checking DID play a part in helping to undermine Romney...but how big that role was is less clear. Remember - Romney ran a very sloppy campaign, which muddies the waters when it comes to determining other factors contributing to his loss.


I have zero doubt this is playing a significant factor. a friend of mine in afghanistan was all fired up that obama signed the NDAA, and i told him i hated it as well but i hate the republicans that pushed the bs through even more. he had no idea obama threatened to veto it (and didn't, unfortunately), and that democrats tried to rally and knock it down. he said he'd look into it but he only knew what he read over there. farking propaganda is still working even though we have the internet.
 
2012-11-10 03:26:00 PM  
My two favorite picture from White People Mourning Romney.

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This is the new "chessecake" to me. It just screams "I'm sick of this stupid man world!"

And this.

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Where somehow an old lady is crossdressing as Uncle Sam!
 
2012-11-10 03:26:40 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 427x640]

Aaaaaand bowties not only became uncool again, they became ANTI-cool.


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2012-11-10 03:28:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: All the polls seemed to suggest Romney would win FL until the last few polls came out.


538's November polls had Obama leading in 5, Romney in 4, and 3 ties. Granted 2 of Romney's had a big lead for him (6 and 5) and all of Obama's were slim (2 and 1), but that's far from ALL.
 
2012-11-10 03:28:50 PM  

MFAWG: I suspect fear of the primaries and the 'Base' as much as any concern about Barry Hussein.


That didn't deter Mitt Romney. It also didn't stop him from roundhousing Santorum.

Pawlenty was a reasonable sounding guy, and couldn't get out of the gate in Iowa.

Tim Pawlenty makes drying paint look exciting. Where was Chris Christie? Marco Rubio? Paul Ryan?
 
2012-11-10 03:32:08 PM  
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2012-11-10 03:41:13 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: MFAWG: Sluggish economy

Ok, compare '84 to '80. Now compare '12 to '08. Its all relativity and perception.

high unemployment

Went from 7.5 in Nov '80 to 7.4 in Nov '84. From 3.9 in Nov '00 to 5.5 in Nov '04. From 6.5 in Nov '08 to 7.9 now.

and slightly fuzzy foreign policy

By '84, Reagan only had the Lebanon disaster and one rescued Caribbean country to his name. Ronbo didn't really kick in until his second-term.

None came forward, though

At which point you have to ask yourself why.


I'm as happy as any other farklib that Obama won, but I also thought the President was vulnerable to a solid Republican candidate. Americans tend to vote on pocketbook issues and they have short memories. The economic recovery is slow and uneven - some jobs will not be coming back and lots of people are still hurting. Low information voters would lean toward blaming the incumbent rather than analyzing the root causes of the economic collapse and subsequent slow recovery. Finally, the Obama administration seemed to have a hard time getting out the message that the economy really was improving under the President's stewardship.

2012 could have become a "throw the bums out" election. Fortunately for Democrats, the party of legitimate rape, vaginal ultrasounds, self-deportation, dominionism, voter supression, tax breaks for millionaires, and assorted derpity-derp did themselves in. It would have been closer if Republicans hadn't alienated vast swaths of the electorate.
 
2012-11-10 03:42:52 PM  
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2012-11-10 03:45:43 PM  
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2012-11-10 03:47:57 PM  

Corvus: the opposite of charity is justice: I've never seen the politics tab so empty of rednames.

Its like the derp-Rapture occurred wednesday morning.

a couple of them have been showing up with the same derp. After they get tired of kicking farking their dogs at home they will all be back.


Didn't you hear the news...it's all over for the chicken. :(
 
2012-11-10 03:53:52 PM  

Generation_D: Satosuke: 50.6% of the popular vote vs 47.9% is hardly a landslide...oh wait, popular votes mean jack shiat. My bad.

Go look up any electoral college landslide in history and marvel how the popular vote is less than 60%

Thats the beauty of, and the failure of, the winner take all voting system we have.

Either accept when you lose the same as when you win, or quit biatching entirely. I suspect a whole lot of these same complainers would have been absofarking lutely delighted had Romney managed a 332 electoral vote win. MANDATE!

But because the black guy and his merry band of tax and spend dimocrats are the actual national winner, you all pout like whiny babies who got denied your toy.


You seem to think I'm a Republican biatching that the GOP's crappy candidate lost to the Dem's crappy candidate. I didn't like either choice really. I've always just thought the EC is a bad system.
 
2012-11-10 03:55:07 PM  

doyner: I just had to share this from one of my FB "friends." Talk about butthurt...
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Now THAT merits a "Wow...just, WOW~!"

/facepalm
 
2012-11-10 03:55:45 PM  
www.meh.ro
 
2012-11-10 04:01:13 PM  

Captain Steroid: Okay, NOW it's finally over. :P


Technically, those results are based on the supposition that the electors will vote the party line they've pledged to vote. I'm not saying that things are going to about face at some point, but it really isn't over yet. (I'll admit that 99% of votes cast by electors have been for the candidate the party required them to pledge their vote for)
 
2012-11-10 04:05:39 PM  
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Was the best opening to any show ever.
 
2012-11-10 04:08:56 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: I've never seen the politics tab so empty of rednames.

Its like the derp-Rapture occurred wednesday morning.


They'll be back soon enough. With all new names and bellies full of derp.
 
2012-11-10 04:11:14 PM  
Why are there no pictures about all the black people and mexicans mourning Romney's loss?

Seriously, Why? All Romney's mourners look like shallow old bigots that just want government cash.
 
2012-11-10 04:13:17 PM  

Satosuke: Summoner101: Satosuke: 50.6% of the popular vote vs 47.9% is hardly a landslide...oh wait, popular votes mean jack shiat. My bad.

Reagan/Carter was a 489 vs 49 match up in EVs though only 50.7% vs 41% in popular vote. That race is largely considered a landslide.

That's barely a landslide. Definitive, yes, but barely a landslide. Reinforces the point that the electoral college is a broken system.


It's not a broken system. They played for what mattered, the EVs. It's like saying, "Ooh, the Giants won by scoring more runs, but the Tigers had just as many hits and even more home-runs in that fourth game."
 
2012-11-10 04:17:37 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [i.imgur.com image 510x272] 

Was the best opening to any show ever.


That whole episode was one of the tops IMHO.

I almost lost it when he casually flipped off the audience.
 
2012-11-10 04:24:15 PM  

CygnusDarius: This is where I go to refill my bottles of Neocon tears of rage. It has every possible lulzy image/text/FB status/Tweets you can imagine. From "let's take our gunz", to photos of outrage, to those photos of "I'm gonna get so drunk tonight, I don't wanna remember what/who I do afterwards".

I personally love these:

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Yes! Eat! Eat your sad away!

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My personal favorite :D


So, is that last one your real name or were you borrowing somebody else's computer?
 
2012-11-10 04:27:55 PM  
"Like every election cycle, Sergio Bendixen, who is infamously known for the inaccuracy of his polls, is once again peddling inaccurate exit polling data about Cuban-American voting trends," Mauricio Claver-Carone, executive director of Cuba Democracy Advocates, wrote on his Capitol Hill Cubans blog."

Jesus H tapdancing Christ. It hasn't even been a week, and they're back to calling the pollsters liars.
What is wrong with these people?
 
2012-11-10 04:28:10 PM  

Satosuke: You seem to think I'm a Republican biatching that the GOP's crappy candidate lost to the Dem's crappy candidate. I didn't like either choice really. I've always just thought the EC is a bad system.


Maybe you need to learn more about it.
 
2012-11-10 04:32:44 PM  

jso2897: "Like every election cycle, Sergio Bendixen, who is infamously known for the inaccuracy of his polls, is once again peddling inaccurate exit polling data about Cuban-American voting trends," Mauricio Claver-Carone, executive director of Cuba Democracy Advocates, wrote on his Capitol Hill Cubans blog."

Jesus H tapdancing Christ. It hasn't even been a week, and they're back to calling the pollsters liars.
What is wrong with these people?


Doesn't surprise me. Losing the Cuban-American vote to Obama just provides more of an example of how big of an epic fail it was for the GOP in this election.
 
2012-11-10 04:32:48 PM  
I listened to the first fifteen or so minutes of Rush on Wednesday, just because I was curious as to what he would say.

Much like Linus, he drew no good conclusions from that failure of a night. He's forever a child waiting for the Great Reagan to rise out of pumpkin patch.
 
2012-11-10 04:34:08 PM  
Probably a stupid question with an obvious answer but how did Nate Silver get all states right yet come up with 313 v. 225 as opposed to the end result of 332 v. 206?
 
2012-11-10 04:34:22 PM  

kliq: I listened to the first fifteen or so minutes of Rush on Wednesday, just because I was curious as to what he would say.

Much like Linus, he drew no good conclusions from that failure of a night. He's forever a child waiting for the Great Reagan to rise out of pumpkin patch.


Even Reagan would give him a cockpunch.
 
2012-11-10 04:38:27 PM  

paulv: Probably a stupid question with an obvious answer but how did Nate Silver get all states right yet come up with 313 v. 225 as opposed to the end result of 332 v. 206?


That 313 v 225 is important; it's a numerical average of the results of his election simulator's trials. The map is not a "will win/won't win" map, it's a percentage chance map. In other words, if you take his map (produced by percentages of victory in his simulator) and add up the EVs you should get 332/206, but if you take the various totals produced from each simulation, it averages to 313/225. He called the states correctly but there were other possibilities that were nearly as likely (like losing Florida) that would have produced a lower EV total. Make sense?
 
2012-11-10 04:39:37 PM  
Wait, now. Hold it. *Tweet* -Time Out. The results in Florida are supposed to be certified by the Florida Secretary of State, IIRC. Who was appointed by the Governor of Florida, who is on record as saying he would ignore Federal healthcare law, after buying the Office of Governor with a small fortune made from Federal healthcare fraud?

/Florida Tag says Marco Rubio is automatically our new U.S. President.

//sigh
 
2012-11-10 04:40:30 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: paulv: Probably a stupid question with an obvious answer but how did Nate Silver get all states right yet come up with 313 v. 225 as opposed to the end result of 332 v. 206?

That 313 v 225 is important; it's a numerical average of the results of his election simulator's trials. The map is not a "will win/won't win" map, it's a percentage chance map. In other words, if you take his map (produced by percentages of victory in his simulator) and add up the EVs you should get 332/206, but if you take the various totals produced from each simulation, it averages to 313/225. He called the states correctly but there were other possibilities that were nearly as likely (like losing Florida) that would have produced a lower EV total. Make sense?


Indeed it does. Thanks for the info.
 
2012-11-10 04:46:42 PM  

skykid: 25.media.tumblr.com

This is the new "chessecake" to me. It just screams "I'm sick of this stupid man world!"



...just when she managed to lose 5 pound from her butt
 
2012-11-10 04:53:37 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: DICK MORRIS: "We're going to win by a landslide. ...Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes."

So Obama's f won by a landslide, RIGHT DICK?


He already called it a "squeaker." So, 325 Republican EVs= a "landslide," while 332 Democratic EVs= a "squeaker." Apparently, Dick Morris still believes in the whole 3/5 person thing.

Dick, go suck a toe.
 
2012-11-10 04:55:58 PM  

MFAWG: neenerist: MFAWG: ....but the reality is that failing to unseat a very, very vulnerable incumbent is bad news for the GOP.

Was he really that vulnerable? I wonder if the sea change in information access is finally playing a role in politics. Fact checking is as far away as the smart phone in your pocket. That's transformational. In hindsight it seems obvious the Right wing echo chamber overestimated his weakness. Just because much of the mainstream media trailed Fox's Ben Gazzy, economy, international collapse stream of diarrhea consciousness doesn't mean it reflected facts.

By any metric, Obama was a vulnerable incumbent.


Such as?
 
2012-11-10 04:58:05 PM  
Obama winning Florida was God's will.
 
2012-11-10 05:00:33 PM  

Greek: shower_in_my_socks: DICK MORRIS: "We're going to win by a landslide. ...Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes."

So Obama's f won by a landslide, RIGHT DICK?

He already called it a "squeaker." So, 325 Republican EVs= a "landslide," while 332 Democratic EVs= a "squeaker." Apparently, Dick Morris still believes in the whole 3/5 person thing.

Dick, go suck a toe.


ya know, it is quite possible that Dick was referring to a landslide in the popular vote when referring to Romney. Of course that wouldn't allow for the lulzly juxtaposition of comments so I guess there's that
 
2012-11-10 05:00:41 PM  

AkaDad: Obama winning Florida was God's will.


If a Black man legitimately runs for President, the nation has a way to shut that whole thing down.
 
2012-11-10 05:04:29 PM  

marius2: I still don't see why it took so long, but still glad to hear this!


Why? Republican's control the state and did all they could to suppress voter turnout and it backfired.

The No. 1 cause for Florida being the last of the 50 states to count its votes in 2012 were a long ballot and changes ordered by the Legislature that swamped elections officials with time-consuming provisional and absentee ballots, experts said.

The big turnout meant more ballots to count. The especially long ballot meant more pages to scan. And a shortened early-voting window resulted in more absentee ballots, which require more time and scrutiny by elections officials before they can be counted.
 
2012-11-10 05:07:08 PM  

skullkrusher: Greek: shower_in_my_socks: DICK MORRIS: "We're going to win by a landslide. ...Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes."

So Obama's f won by a landslide, RIGHT DICK?

He already called it a "squeaker." So, 325 Republican EVs= a "landslide," while 332 Democratic EVs= a "squeaker." Apparently, Dick Morris still believes in the whole 3/5 person thing.

Dick, go suck a toe.

ya know, it is quite possible that Dick was referring to a landslide in the popular vote when referring to Romney. Of course that wouldn't allow for the lulzly juxtaposition of comments so I guess there's that


The quoted sentence would say your analysis is wrong.
 
2012-11-10 05:15:30 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I think this is one of the biggest successes of the Obama campaign this election.


From your link:
Florida's second-largest Hispanic group, Puerto Ricans, gave Obama out-sized support over Romney, 83 to 17 percent in Bendixen's survey.

"This is an ominous, ominous sign for Republicans," Amandi said. His partner, Sergio Bendixen, added that "Puerto Ricans in Florida are voting like Puerto Ricans in New York ... solidly Democratic."


So, yeah, I don't think the Republican House will be voting in favor of Puerto Rico statehood any time soon.
 
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