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(Salon)   The biggest threat to conservatism now might be conservative media   (salon.com) divider line 43
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2012-11-10 11:16:05 AM  
13 votes:
The next four years will be boom times for conservative media; it's always good for business when your enemies are in power. They will continue to infuriate liberals

I don't think 'infuriate' is the right word. 'slightly amuse' might be better. Limbaugh and his buddies are actually some of the best recruiters for the Democratic party in the history of ever. especially in light of the recent elections - the right wing media is training rank and file Republicans to fail. look, it's a simple fact of life that if you do not understand your opponent then your opponent is going to win. the Democrats understand the GOP very well...we know what they are, we know their goals, we know how they operate and we can plan effectively to beat them in an election...this was proved on election day. But the GOP don't sit down and have a hard headed realistic analysis of their own strengths and weaknesses, let alone a clear view of the Democratic party. they listen to their own propaganda, which tells them that everyone not GOP is corrupt, immoral and weak. The GOP is on the side of GOD, their views are superior, and that everyone is living in a 'christian nation' and deep down that everyone is actually a flag waving bible thumping christian just waiting to vote for a Republican leadership. the Republicans don't stop and consider what works for them and what doesn't. they consider compromise a weakness, and show contempt for even those among their own who want to find a way to work with anyone outside the GOP echo chamber.

Basically, the Republican party teaches their rank and file to lose. if you don't respect what your opponent can do, then you cannot plan an effective strategy to deal with their tactics. if you have contempt for everyone who is different, it blinds you to their potential that's why I lurve Rush Limbaugh - he's killing the GOP and doesn't know it. I don't want to shut him down...I want him right where he's at, doing exactly what he's doing. Dear gods...I hope the man never changes!
2012-11-10 12:23:17 PM  
7 votes:
Faux News and Limbaugh aren't just hurting their party, they're hurting the country. They have Americans openly talking about assassination and secession over a CENTRIST PRESIDENT. They are anti-American propagandists.
2012-11-10 12:21:42 PM  
5 votes:

Weaver95: Limbaugh and his buddies are actually some of the best recruiters for the Democratic party in the history of ever.


It worked for me. I was the co-founder and inaugural president of my high school's Republican Club. First time I voted was to re-elect Bush in '04, then by '08 the social conservatives in the party had thoroughly alienated me and still in a haze of denial I voted Libertarian. By '12, no-longer in the right-wing echo chamber and unburdened by motivated reasoning, I voted a near-straight Democrat ticket.

Nowadays conservatives run away from arguments with me really quick once they're confronted with the fact I know their own bullshiat better than they do. Having been duped by it for so long, I'm also fairly contemptuous of it as a result. Though I'm terrible at creating converts like myself. I never know where to start. How do you explain to someone everything they think they know about history and politics is simply not true?

And hell, I'm a white male with a (modest) trust fund. If they're losing me they're in real trouble.
2012-11-10 11:38:22 AM  
5 votes:

syrynxx: They're just going to keep bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.


again, I was floored by the near complete lack of ground level organization among Team Romney supporters. they had fire, passion for their candidate...but no organization. their own ideology is central command driven, it doesn't teach them individual initiative. everything HAS to be approved by someone further up their chain of command and GOD help you if you do something without authorization. so in the end, they had a bunch of Romney voters standing around waiting for orders while Team Obama ran the table.
2012-11-10 12:21:00 PM  
4 votes:
I think Nate Silver accuracy did a lot more to damage and discredit the conservative media than anything else.

He used facts and science to predict the outcome.

They made shiat up, and said anyone who did not buy into their narrative was part of some conspiracy.

And were wrong.

Then, they acted all shocked when they were wrong.


At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.
2012-11-10 11:03:12 AM  
4 votes:
The next four years will be boom times for conservative media; it's always good for business when your enemies are in power. They will continue to infuriate liberals. But the next time you see Fox propagating some absurd fantasy of Barack Obama's perfidy, or see Limbaugh and Carlson ramping up another episode of race-baiting, remind yourself that they're probably doing the most harm to their own side.

And they'll keep right on keeping on. There's lots more money to be made spinning yarns for stupid folk.
2012-11-10 12:49:05 PM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: talk to your friend. just be aware that transitioning from the echo chamber to reality can be a very jarring experience.


Maybe, but you have to remember that this "echo chamber" is a fairly recent advent. Yes, Limbaugh has been on the air as far as anyone can remember, but Fox, the chief offender, has only been around since the late 90s IIRC - and didn't fully jump the shark until years after that. My point is that our friends and family recall a time when NBC Headline News and the NYT weren't enemies. They consumed the media the rest of us did, and our disagreements were typically grounded in reality. Familiarity with sane media will lessen the shock, like getting reacquainted with an old friend you had a falling out with years ago.

My father - always a conservative - had a 20+ year subscription to Time before FOX convinced him it was evil. While visiting one Christmas, I asked if he had a copy of Time or even the local newspaper around (I had to use the john). I'll never forget the proud, positively beaming look on his face when he informed me that his home was now "liberal media-free." It blew my mind. This is the same man who had read the magazine for decades, and had suddenly performed an about-face. His opinions had not changed, but his perception of the media did. Now the only true source of information is Fox News and The Blaze. And now you know why I always take some form of barbiturate with me when I visit, because we can't even eat Thanksgiving dinner without Fox blaring from the living room.

While my father is free to make his own decisions, I hold Fox News responsible for poising the political well. The network is pure evil, and it's maddening to see people like Hanni-douche host hour-long specials on "media bias." Conservative projection at its finest. And people like my dad are watching it like a football game, literally cheering. "Go get 'em, Sean!"

/goddammitsomuch
2012-11-10 12:18:08 PM  
3 votes:
I almost feel bad for GOP politicians these days. They absolutely have to pander to the worst people in the history of this country during the primaries, which makes it hard to move to the center during the national race. If you don't court the idiot brigade, you can't represent the party, and if you do, you can forget about appealing to moderates. I simply don't see how they can win. The whole "compassionate conservatism" thing was their only real way to bridge that gap, but that approach has been soiled forever by its association with GWB.

Meanwhile, democrats can play centrist or maybe slightly center left during the primaries and easily move to the center (if they aren't already there) during the national race. This is mostly the product of the fact that they're a mostly centrist party with a centrist constituency and centrist aims, which positions them nicely for national elections.

Meanwhile, Republicans are the kings of Alabama. Enjoy.
2012-11-10 12:07:16 PM  
3 votes:

DubyaHater: News flash neocons......Rush Limbaugh and the pundits don't give a shiat about you and your ideology. As long as that steady paycheck keeps rolling in, they will keep shoveling the shiat you want to hear. Outrage and conspiracy theories keep you neocons foaming at the mouth. You are being duped and the pundits are laughing at you.......and rightly so.


They seem to think that these people, and Sarah Palin, love and cherish them. They have empathy for them. But I'm sure that the reality in Rush's mind when he meets a poor pasty bloated teabagger who's broken through his security scrim to say worshipful things is utter contempt.

And before I hear "both sides ur bad, Fartbongo hates everyone": No. I believe that Obama does genuinely like people not just because they're billionaires. His dazzling smile probably does help that aura of friendliness, and he's admittedly emotionally cool, but I don't believe that he's anything near as smarmy as grifters like Palin or Rush who have no personal integrity.
2012-11-10 11:59:08 AM  
3 votes:
Conservative media has done a masterful job of convincing the drool afflicted populace with the notion that the bottom of the economic pyramid is the source of our economic woes. A perfect "ignore the man behind the curtain" job of misdirection. And that's a little bit scary....in an Orwellian kind of way.
2012-11-10 11:55:01 AM  
3 votes:
News flash neocons......Rush Limbaugh and the pundits don't give a shiat about you and your ideology. As long as that steady paycheck keeps rolling in, they will keep shoveling the shiat you want to hear. Outrage and conspiracy theories keep you neocons foaming at the mouth. You are being duped and the pundits are laughing at you.......and rightly so.
2012-11-10 11:51:28 AM  
3 votes:

Girl From The North Country:

I have to thank you Weav. It was stories like this that kept me confident during the last couple weeks leading up to the election. While the media was touting their horse race narrative, and team Romney was touting enthusiasm, I found comfort in the ground game disparity.

So thanks. CSB


lemme tell ya - it was downright WEIRD for the past two weeks. I didn't comment much about it on fark 'cause I was kinda busy at the time but...I'd put in 8-12 hours, the come home and catch the news to hear Fox News loudly proclaim that Team Romney was charging ahead in key states. Team Romney was going to win Pennsylvania, Team Romney had Ohio in the bag. The Democrats were despondent, the Democrats were not enthusiastic. the Democrats knew they had already lost and were fleeing the campaign in despair. And I'd look around the Democratic party HQ and wonder where in the hell Fox News and Limbaugh were getting their information.

don't get me wrong, both sides have their propaganda...but what GOP pundits were saying was so jarringly different from the reality out in the dust of the campaign trail that it might as well had been pure fantasy. I learned a LOT working for the Obama folks, not just about how to run a campaign but about the GOP news engine.
2012-11-10 11:14:51 AM  
3 votes:
It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.
2012-11-10 02:06:28 PM  
2 votes:

Millennium: Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense.


Unthinking:  upload.wikimedia.org

Greedy: static3.businessinsider.com


Hateful: upload.wikimedia.org

Dishonest: www.biography.com

and last, but not least;

Delusional: static01.mediaite.com
2012-11-10 12:13:49 PM  
2 votes:
Also teabaggers, the religious right, and the fact that 60% of their platform boils down to, "Please point me toward the nearest corporate cock so I can suck it," and the other 40%, "Hrrrghghmmmgh, urrrrghghhh shllllrrrrk grrrrmmm urrrrrgghgh glerk."
2012-11-10 12:11:22 PM  
2 votes:
Ah, conservative media. Not news, but a warm cocoon for the hateful and donning damp underwear.
2012-11-10 12:02:36 PM  
2 votes:
This is the most delicious irony of the GOP's slow crawl toward irrelevance since their embrace of the southern strategy,They're forced to "dance with one that brung ya", and it's going to destroy them.
2012-11-10 11:46:18 AM  
2 votes:

Girl From The North Country: You would have thought that this election would have snapped them out of their echo chamber. They have to realize they were being fed a false narrative.

I have a friend who is a huge Glenn Beck fan. He is otherwise a very smart, analytical type. If this doesn't wake him up then I will have lost all hope. He honestly believes he 'knows' Glenn, a true patriot, who would do anything to save this country from the Socialist. Not an 'entertainer' who makes millions off of scaring people about the various atrocities that the Dems want to inflict upon them for all eternity.


I'm trying to picture a smart analytical type who could simultaneously take Glenn Beck seriously. That does not compute.
2012-11-10 11:39:29 AM  
2 votes:

Girl From The North Country: You would have thought that this election would have snapped them out of their echo chamber. They have to realize they were being fed a false narrative.

I have a friend who is a huge Glenn Beck fan. He is otherwise a very smart, analytical type. If this doesn't wake him up then I will have lost all hope. He honestly believes he 'knows' Glenn, a true patriot, who would do anything to save this country from the Socialist. Not an 'entertainer' who makes millions off of scaring people about the various atrocities that the Dems want to inflict upon them for all eternity.


talk to your friend. just be aware that transitioning from the echo chamber to reality can be a very jarring experience.
2012-11-10 11:19:24 AM  
2 votes:
I'm okay with this. Because I love it when they call me a slut because of my whore pills. And I love it when they say I'm warring on their Jesus because I say "Happy Holidays."

It's fun for me.
2012-11-10 05:49:49 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-10 04:21:02 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-10 03:31:19 PM  
1 votes:
Dear republican friends:

Please stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Fox News and we'll stop making fun of you.
2012-11-10 01:19:46 PM  
1 votes:
It seemed to me that the conservatives used to be the grownups in politics. They weren't the wide-eyed idealists believing that simply having their party in power would magically fix the world and their opponents would somehow completely destroy it. They were clear-headed realists that thought endless welfare wasn't helping society, America needed to wisely marshal its military and engage in conflicts only when our national interest was at stake, and business needed a combination of smart regulation and free market.

Now they only believe in mindless principles that are free from the context of reality. We are always stronger attacking our foreign policy foes, everyone should be on their own with no safety net, and any regulation hurts all business. This is directly due to their media assuming control of their party. Their media doesn't serve them, they serve their media.
2012-11-10 01:11:43 PM  
1 votes:
It was an eye-opener for me when I realized that "conservative truth" had diverged significantly from actual facts. It's really hard to have an argument with someone - or at least a useful argument - when they start with assumptions quite at odds with reality. How can I argue that the loss of so many government jobs over the last 4 years has offset much of the gains in private employment, when he can't actually wrap his head around the fact that Xa < Xb. I think it's become simply a religious thing for them, while religious beliefs are mostly harmless (an accountant doesn't need to accept that transubstantiation is primie facie false, unless he tries to change CapEx into OpEx to misstate asset value - yet, of course, Bernie Ebbers *was* a devout christian, and did attempt to perform the same miracle, failed, and caused one of the largest corporate scandals in history, for which he is still rotting in prison)

Ok, maybe my hypoethesis just disproved itself. Maybe instead of making people piss in a bottle to see what they smoke before hiring them, we should give them a bottle of piss, and ask them if they'll drink it, after a priest affirms that it's been changed into a nice chardonnay?
2012-11-10 01:08:01 PM  
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: Much like the GOP's demographic of angry old white guys is dying out, so too is their media demographic of angry old gullible white guys. Sooner or later what remains of their audience is going to be too smart to fall for the lies and manufactured outrage, and wise up to the fact that they're being used.

No doubt the noise will continue, at least for a while longer, but if the GOP has any hope of surviving they need to come straight with potential voters and not just tap into anger that they help manufacture. 2010 gave them false hope for that, but with each passing year they lose more and more adherents. And not just to the grave. After a while, even the most ignorant of consumers will realize that what FOX is telling him just doesn't jibe with reality, no matter how much he has come to want it to.


upload.wikimedia.org

Laughs at your silly optimism
2012-11-10 12:58:00 PM  
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: Much like the GOP's demographic of angry old white guys is dying out, so too is their media demographic of angry old gullible white guys. Sooner or later what remains of their audience is going to be too smart to fall for the lies and manufactured outrage, and wise up to the fact that they're being used.


I've been seeing a lot of old angry white guy that is going to die out narrative and I'm not so sure. The Tea Party and evangelicals also appear to have been working in such local areas such as the school boards. They seem to have a push there for no critical thinking and no science that's not part of the Prosperity Gospel. Intellectual pursuit is a bad thing in that mindset and if you are raised in that fashion, I don't see the echo chamber ever going away. I just don't see that it will matter if people who raised to be easily conned don't happen to all be lily white anymore.
2012-11-10 12:38:14 PM  
1 votes:

Erix:
I'm sure you're right with the first part, that the inner circle is debating this. But I'm not so sure that an inner circle is actually in control of the party anymore. The Tea Party has had enough success in the primaries against establishment backed candidates that it will be tough to take charge again. It's really the Republican party's fault for being desperate enough for votes to let the extremists have the driver's seat, but now we all have to deal with the loss of moderates. Do you really think that Rush, Beck, and Fox followers will willingly brought back to the center, just because it's better for the party?

Too many people are convinced that Romney's problem was not being conservative enough, when it's probably more likely he was too tainted with the extreme conservative stink he had to wallow in to win the primary.


Oh I don't know what the end result of this electoral beat down is going to be for the Republicans. the only thing i'm certain of is that the GOP elites are no doubt pondering their future and that they probably do not like their options.
2012-11-10 12:25:17 PM  
1 votes:

blastoh: At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.


You're giving some people too much credit. For many people, our political system has turned in to a sporting event. Instead of analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of both sides and choosing to support the candidate more aligned with your ideals, people choose their candidates because of the team they play on no matter how they play.
2012-11-10 12:24:33 PM  
1 votes:

blastoh: I think Nate Silver accuracy did a lot more to damage and discredit the conservative media than anything else..


to my knowledge, Limbaugh has STILL not mentioned Nate Silver since election night. Remember that Limbaugh spent 6 weeks harshly berating Nate Silver and calling him all sorts of names. Rush 'proved' Nate Silver wrong, and did so at least 5 or 6 times. Now that the data is in and Nate Silver was proven right, Limbaugh hasn't said thing one about the guy.

it's interesting to watch.
2012-11-10 12:24:15 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sorry, but no. The biggest threat to conservatism is bigots who want to be told that their Real Murica is being threatened by gays, brown people, Mooslims, vaginas and "gubbmint." If they weren't demanding to be shouted these threats at them, the media wouldn't be a problem. It would adapt and stop shrieking the same tired messages.

If the media is to blame, it's that they amplify something like the whole insurance-paying-for-birth-control thing to the point that conservatives who use birth control take up the "b-b-but religious freedom" chant because they imagine they're scoring points against the monstrous slave reparations soshulist tyranny.

But the core of the problem is insectoid paranoia.
2012-11-10 12:21:09 PM  
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse:

I disagree with the bolded portion. Behind the Republicans being firmly up their own ass and ignoring reality, the next biggest problem is that no one really liked Romney. They danced around nominating him during the primaries, but their motivation for voting for Romney had more to do with voting against Obama than supporting any of Romney's policies. Though the willingness to swallow all of Romney's bullshiat was a bit disheartening, but I guess that's what Republicans have come to.


then consider that they had a passionate hatred of Obama and channeled that into support for Romney.
2012-11-10 12:15:37 PM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

I always thought that what was funny about this cartoon wasn't that Rove (and many other conservatives) actually believed that repetition created reality, but that they believe that with enough repetition you can get away with acting like it's reality. This election makes me think the first explanation is actually true. I'm not sure if that's even funnier, or just kind of disturbing.
2012-11-10 12:09:15 PM  
1 votes:

shastacola: This is the most delicious irony of the GOP's slow crawl toward irrelevance since their embrace of the southern strategy,They're forced to "dance with one that brung ya", and it's going to destroy them.


On the southern strategy: There was an article here not long ago saying Rmoney won the same percentage of the white vote that St. Reagan did in his 49-state landslide.

The southern strategy is dead.
2012-11-10 12:05:52 PM  
1 votes:
I suspect they're all potted up overweight dope fiends that will say anything to keep the handouts rolling in to the elderly and unemployed white people in southern states. This great nation of ours was founded on hard work and Christianity, not socialism and cults.
2012-11-10 12:03:04 PM  
1 votes:

MacWizard: The article's lede: "When Republicans perform a full autopsy on the 2012 elections, they'll realize they only deluded themselves"

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. They ran an quick post-mortem and decided that the obvious problem was that they simply weren't conservative enough.


yeah but its early yet. i'm sure that right now a bunch of elite GOP inner circle members are sitting around a table somewhere and having a frank, no bullshiat discussion about what they're gonna do for 2014. they got their asses beat and they know it. propaganda aside, they KNOW they lost big and I very strongly suspect that it's shocking enough to force them to confront a reality they're not very fond of admitting exists in the first place.

strange times indeed for the GOP. they might actually be desperate enough to move back to the center.
2012-11-10 11:54:21 AM  
1 votes:
You have to give the GOP some credit, they built their echo chamber with some outstanding resilience.

Unfortunately, they'll end up like Porky from Mother 3.

/I'm a geek, sue me
2012-11-10 11:42:41 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: syrynxx: They're just going to keep bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

again, I was floored by the near complete lack of ground level organization among Team Romney supporters. they had fire, passion for their candidate...but no organization. their own ideology is central command driven, it doesn't teach them individual initiative. everything HAS to be approved by someone further up their chain of command and GOD help you if you do something without authorization. so in the end, they had a bunch of Romney voters standing around waiting for orders while Team Obama ran the table.


I have to thank you Weav. It was stories like this that kept me confident during the last couple weeks leading up to the election. While the media was touting their horse race narrative, and team Romney was touting enthusiasm, I found comfort in the ground game disparity.

So thanks. CSB
2012-11-10 11:36:48 AM  
1 votes:
You would have thought that this election would have snapped them out of their echo chamber. They have to realize they were being fed a false narrative.

I have a friend who is a huge Glenn Beck fan. He is otherwise a very smart, analytical type. If this doesn't wake him up then I will have lost all hope. He honestly believes he 'knows' Glenn, a true patriot, who would do anything to save this country from the Socialist. Not an 'entertainer' who makes millions off of scaring people about the various atrocities that the Dems want to inflict upon them for all eternity.
2012-11-10 11:33:52 AM  
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.


Hey now, that's over the line. What's wrong with potato chips, bourbon, and jacking off?
2012-11-10 11:25:58 AM  
1 votes:
I keep wondering when my sane conservative friends will start speaking out and take back their party...I am also waiting for a winning lottery ticket. WHAT? A GIRL CAN DREAM!!!
2012-11-10 11:15:48 AM  
1 votes:
They're just going to keep bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.
2012-11-10 11:14:55 AM  
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: The next four years will be boom times for conservative media; it's always good for business when your enemies are in power. They will continue to infuriate liberals. But the next time you see Fox propagating some absurd fantasy of Barack Obama's perfidy, or see Limbaugh and Carlson ramping up another episode of race-baiting, remind yourself that they're probably doing the most harm to their own side.

And they'll keep right on keeping on. There's lots more money to be made spinning yarns for stupid folk.


Yeah, I think at first that the right-wing media might have been about aiding the Republican Party, but it's a Frankenstein that's grown beyond their control. Someone like Limbaugh or Beck can't dial back the derp now, or they'll lose their audience. So even if the Republican Party asks them to chill, they won't.
 
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